Time Nick Message 00:32 khonkhortisan Kacey, functions are and anything cool that can freeze the server is disabled 00:46 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan4ipbanez ping 00:52 jojoa1997|Tablet lol from how much he has added to minetest look at his posts http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=4908 00:58 NakedFury he needs 1 more to take him seriously 01:06 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_doomtest.jpg 01:06 kaeza :D 01:10 jordan4ibanez I think minetest has started to have too many politics involved 01:10 * jojoa1997|Tablet gives kaeza a hug 01:10 jordan4ibanez I can't load that image, can you imgur it 01:13 kaeza http://imgur.com/wqJaBg7 01:13 jordan4ibanez hmmmm how is this coming along? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85422#p85422 01:13 jordan4ibanez OH MY GOD that's awesome 01:13 jordan4ibanez Can I submit it to user-submitted? :D 01:14 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/f/eSnH1PDy I KNEW IT WAS TRUE!!! 01:15 ShadowNinja Kacey: lol 01:15 Pentium44 Bye all 01:15 kaeza jordan4ibanez, ofc :D 01:16 ShadowNinja jordan4ibanez: he thought of looking at how terasology did it in -dev. 01:16 kaeza jordan4ibanez, BTW, It's done with HUD API + this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/679 01:16 drizz Kacey: that doesn't make any sense :/ 01:17 Kacey drizz, wires are fourth dimensional little buggers 01:17 drizz oh, yeah, I definitely get the point 01:18 khonkhortisan That's actually true 01:18 khonkhortisan Except for when they get tangled, you have to slot rotate just to do the other transformation 01:18 drizz but rotating it in 3-dimension space wouldn't necessarily move it in a 4th dimension 01:20 drizz it's totally plausible that there's a quantum-reaction going on there, though. 01:20 Kacey lol 01:20 drizz it's clearly in two different states at once 01:21 jordan4ibanez The only applicable use for that kaeza is if you make an arcade machine, change the users HUD, teleport them into the sky above the clouds, generate a doom map, and spawn mobs then when the level is over, freeze the player in place, load up the next level, until the player dies 01:22 * Kacey wishes he could convince a midget to put on a leprechaun costume and run down the street yelling "THEY"RE AFTER ME LUCKY CHARMS!" 01:27 kaeza jordan4ibanez, you can do tons of interesting stuff you couldn't before with the Lua HUD 01:27 jordan4ibanez HMMMM 01:27 kaeza (or at least, stuff that didn't look well) 01:27 kaeza +before 01:27 jordan4ibanez Can I make a cat dancing? 01:27 kaeza yep 01:27 jordan4ibanez Can I have gui buttons? 01:27 ShadowNinja lol 01:27 kaeza erhm... GUI buttons? 01:28 kaeza and how do you plan to click them? 01:28 ShadowNinja You could before, formspecs 01:28 jordan4ibanez 2 steps forward, one step back 01:28 kaeza lol 01:28 jordan4ibanez I don't know, incorperate them into the normal gui, and when the inventory formspec is brought up, make them clickable 01:29 kaeza gl;hf with that 01:30 Kacey To avoid parking tickets keep your windshield wipers on high 01:30 jordan4ibanez Good idea 01:30 khonkhortisan To scare the cop away, put them on low 01:31 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/p/A7DdOKMg 01:34 Kacey http://youtu.be/qnydFmqHuVo 01:39 Kacey If you seen me running through the school with all the teachers chasing me, what would you think I did? 01:41 AshleyWaffle Kacey: played Minetest 01:41 AshleyWaffle in class 01:41 AshleyWaffle that's what I'd do 01:41 Kacey lol no i always do that 01:41 AshleyWaffle both the running and the playing 01:41 AshleyWaffle lol 01:41 AshleyWaffle high school? 01:43 Kacey middle still 01:43 Kacey almost highschool though 01:43 Kacey and it's funny 01:44 Kacey the high school i am going to is called East High 01:44 Kacey which is where HSM is located 01:52 AshleyWaffle ah 01:53 AshleyWaffle Kacey: you killed someone? you hid drugs? what? 01:53 Kacey idk 01:53 AshleyWaffle 0_o 01:53 Kacey probably something really stupid 01:53 Kacey lol had the best moment in the office ever 01:54 Kacey some kid broke a door and put it through a wall 01:54 Kacey so, of course they choose the kid with the anger issues, they pull ME into the office 01:54 Kacey once they explained what happened, i couldn't stop laughing 01:55 Kacey so they asked me, "did you do it?" "no" "then why are you laughing" "because whoever did is a freaking legend!" 01:57 drizz eh.. 01:57 drizz how old are you? 02:01 AshleyWaffle drizz: young enough to be treated as elligible for age discriminatory imprisonment 02:01 jojoa1997|Tablet dun dun DUN . . . 02:16 jordan4ibanez kaeza, how does the gui thing work? 02:17 VanessaE hi all. 02:17 VanessaE someone tell Jordach that I wouldn't refuse a wedding anniversary gift in the form of a large sum of cash, as long as he has money to blow. ;) 02:18 kaeza jordan4ibanez, it's documented in lua_api.txt 02:18 VanessaE regarding that doom HUD screeshot. is that real or photoshopped? 02:21 kaeza1 VanessaE, real 02:21 kaeza1 using the new align options in the HUD API 02:21 kaeza1 (if they are merged that is) 02:21 kaeza1 jordan4ibanez, see this: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-kaeza_misc/tree/master/crosshair_ex 02:22 VanessaE neat 02:22 kaeza1 VanessaE, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/679 02:24 VanessaE nice 02:24 jordan4ibanez http://pastie.org/pastes/7700744/text?key=awdawhymujd2c6yuje0ha 02:24 jordan4ibanez simple server-side double tap running 02:26 jordan4ibanez It's quite efficient, if we could set the FOV it would be even better 02:27 kaeza +1 02:30 kaeza jordan4ibanez, that is cool 02:31 jojoa1997|Tablet what is 02:31 jojoa1997|Tablet and doea not_in_creative_inventory=0 mean it is? 02:31 kaeza it would be awesome if you could add some kind of stamina (with an optional HUD bar) 02:32 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, it means what it says 02:32 VanessaE kaeza: now, you think you're so fancy-schmancy, make that Doom HUD display actually *work* :D 02:32 jordan4ibanez Thank you, and I was planning on adding hunger and thirst and energy, but right now I am too lazy 02:32 NakedFury then add a lazy bar! 02:32 kaeza jordan4ibanez, can I add that to survival_modpack? with credits of course 02:33 jordan4ibanez Yes 02:33 kaeza NakedFury, lol 02:33 kaeza VanessaE, SOON 02:33 kaeza DOOM* 02:33 VanessaE heh 02:34 kaeza I just got an idea...I can add an Ammo HUD to firearms :D 02:34 jojoa1997|Tablet YESYESYES 02:35 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan that is getting added to minitest under the name sprint 02:36 jordan4ibanez I could add a lazy bar, the longer you go afk, the slower your player goes, and you need to walk around for your player to become un-lazy and fast again 02:37 jojoa1997|Tablet stamina 02:37 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan how do i sprint? 02:37 kaeza http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37200246.jpg 02:38 NakedFury no lazy bar works this way: the more you do stuff the more it fills. when it is full your character goes on a lazyness rampage. he wont work or bathe or eat. or he will do is piss, crap, and sit on the sofa or bed 02:38 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza +1 02:39 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan how do i sprint 02:39 kaeza double-tap up 02:39 kaeza ('W') 02:39 jojoa1997|Tablet do i set it to true? 02:40 jojoa1997|Tablet nvm figured it out 02:40 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan maybe some bobbing would be nice 02:40 kaeza lol 02:46 jojoa1997|Tablet i just ran across a desert 02:46 jojoa1997|Tablet 6 minutes with sprint 02:50 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza release doomtest 02:51 kaeza lol "release doomtest" 02:51 kaeza hmm... 02:51 NakedFury it doesnt have anything to do with the doom games right? 02:51 * kaeza is going to freedoom project for images 02:52 kaeza NakedFury, you don't like Doom? :( 02:52 NakedFury no 02:53 kaeza hehe 02:53 kaeza the doomtest image was just a joke 02:54 kaeza but actually, I'm planning to do a full FPS-oriented game mode later 02:54 kaeza (I mean a real FPS, not that AoS crap) 02:54 jojoa1997|Tablet AoS? 02:55 kaeza Ace Of Spades 02:59 jojoa1997|Tablet Ace Of Spades? 03:01 jojoa1997|Tablet !g Ace Of Spades 03:01 MinetestBot jojoa1997|Tablet: http://ace.mu.nu/ 03:01 jojoa1997|Tablet oh very nice 03:01 jojoa1997|Tablet " Bioengineered yeast can synthesize malaria drug" 03:13 drizz ... just in case you have any excess yeast you don't know what to do with.. O.o 03:17 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_of_Spades_(video_game) 03:19 jordan4ibanez Goodnight peoples 03:19 VanessaE bbl, gonna try to get some sleep 03:19 VanessaE night. 03:31 jojoa1997|Tablet I need sleep too night all 03:32 kaeza nite 03:55 kaeza https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7340661248/h01F5887F/ 04:20 Pentium44 ShadowNinja, here 04:21 ShadowNinja Pentium44: well is there something you wanted to tell me? 04:22 Pentium44 no, I was just saying hi 04:22 ShadowNinja OK, well hi :-) 04:23 Pentium44 8) 04:25 ShadowNinja OldCoder: I see you arn't using sasl anymore 04:31 VanessaE *sigh* 04:32 VanessaE sleep, why do you evade me? :( 04:33 khonkhortisan You're on here 05:35 OldCoder Hi 05:35 OldCoder Who paged? 05:35 VanessaE not I 05:35 VanessaE but hi anyway :) 05:35 OldCoder ShadowBot, I am using it 05:35 OldCoder VanessaE, hi 05:35 OldCoder ShadowNinja, ^ 05:36 OldCoder If it did not work 05:36 OldCoder I will need to debug it later; too tired atm 06:11 VanessaE zzz 06:13 [0gb_us] yyy 06:14 kaeza xxx 06:14 kaeza crap 06:14 [0gb_us] www 06:14 [0gb_us] WHat happened? 06:15 kaeza no-www.org 06:15 VanessaE ? 06:15 kaeza xxx == ? 06:15 [0gb_us] Oh, nice. Active again. 06:16 [0gb_us] == three of the same letter? 06:16 khonkhortisan vvv 06:16 [0gb_us] uuu 06:17 kaeza ssspppaaammm http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86009#p86009 06:17 [0gb_us] Back when I had a site, I used on of those no-www.org icons on my site. 06:17 khonkhortisan The story's not believable, and I don't know what it is 06:35 MinetestBot GIT: commited to minetest/minetest: Added offset support for HUD items 9894167bbf 2013-04-22T23:34:11-07:00 http://git.io/jJeINw 06:38 kaeza thank you "" 06:40 ShadowNinja kaeza: MinetestBot only shows one of the commits, ShadowBot shows both, and a lot faster :-) 06:41 [0gb_us] Both commits and what other thing? 06:42 ShadowNinja You mean the other commit? 06:42 ShadowNinja That was annother hud related one by kaeza 06:43 ShadowNinja Bye! 06:43 [0gb_us] Oh, sorry. I misread your statement, ShadowNinja. 06:43 [0gb_us] Bye. 06:43 kaeza ok, now on to something else 06:43 kaeza cya Shadow 06:45 kaeza ok, added a new stupid crosshair mod to my 'misc' stuff 06:47 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add option to not prepend "Server -!- " to messages sent with minetest.chat_send_player() 3d4d0cb574 2013-04-22T23:47:08-07:00 http://git.io/qE6o0w 06:58 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add minetest.get_player_ip() 4a9b8aae5e 2013-04-22T23:57:45-07:00 http://git.io/EqzIsA 07:01 VanessaE kaeza: DAMN you didn't waste any time :) 07:01 kaeza hm? 07:02 VanessaE the HUD positioning patch goes in and 20 mins later, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86012#p86012 07:03 kaeza :D 07:03 kaeza I had that into the modpack a while ago 07:03 kaeza (since yesterday I think) 07:03 VanessaE who am I to talk though? I pushed changed to HDX within seconds of their respective features being patched in :) 07:03 VanessaE changes* 07:03 kaeza hah 07:04 kaeza I do see your stuff sometimes even before the actual patches :P 07:04 VanessaE hehe 07:04 VanessaE I like to try to stay current 07:05 celeron55 MinetestBot's messages are wrong 07:05 celeron55 it says "committed", but displays the author's name, not the committer's name 07:05 celeron55 git commits always have an author and a committer 07:06 celeron55 i 07:06 celeron55 *i'd maybe make the bot say "/ in minetest/minetest: ..." 07:07 celeron55 maximum information in the same space 07:07 celeron55 i guess that goes to sfan5|OFF 07:34 VanessaE new deb packages posted. 07:55 VanessaE bbl 08:39 Issa hé how are u 08:40 Issa can u have workcompilation of minetest on codeblock on windows ? 08:43 kaeza I guess so 08:44 kaeza I use CodeBlocks myself under Linux and it works OK; I don't see why there should be a problem on Windows 08:45 kaeza I assume you have MinGW32? 08:45 kaeza Issa, ^ 08:45 Issa yes 08:46 kaeza use this command to configure the build system: cmake . -G "CodeBlocks - Unix Makefiles" 08:47 kaeza (add other options of course) 08:47 kaeza err... 08:47 kaeza s/Unix/MSYS/ 08:48 kaeza I'm not familiar with the CMake UI, but there should be an option to select a generator somewhere 08:55 kaeza derp, whatever 08:55 Issa kaeza, how i import it on codblocks 08:55 kaeza open the generated minetest.cbp file 08:56 kaeza btw "derp, whatever" == wrong channel lol 08:56 Issa no cbp files on the source 08:57 kaeza did you configure the build system as I said? 08:57 kaeza I can't remember if it's MSYS or MinGW 08:59 kaeza you could try waiting a bit and asking PilzAdam or sfan5 to make a Windows build for you 09:00 Issa i want compile mySelf 09:00 Issa and change source code and compile myself 09:01 kaeza err... I figured 09:01 Issa ok i wait PilsAdam 09:02 kaeza BTW, "há"... 09:02 kaeza do you speak spanish? 09:11 kaeza Xenorax, beat you to it http://imgur.com/wqJaBg7 09:13 * kaeza will prolly modify PilzAdam's simple mobs to add Marines and Imps 09:18 * ShadowBot wakes up 09:59 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:03 Zeg9 Hi PilzAdam 10:49 PilzAdam new windows build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 10:50 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/mg_flags => feel free to contribute to 10:50 Calinou not very complete right now but much better than nothing 10:52 Issa Calinou what means this flags, please 10:54 PilzAdam Calinou, note: use {{DISPLAYTITLE:mg_flags}} to have the "_" in the header correctly 11:02 iqualfragile hi PilzAdam 11:04 kaeza chromium is being a bitch lately 11:04 kaeza locking up way too often 11:05 kaeza hai Jordach 11:05 jojoa1997|Tablet Kaeza how is hud going 11:05 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, it's already in master 11:06 jojoa1997|Tablet is there a weild item texture 11:06 jojoa1997|Tablet maker 11:06 kaeza wut 11:06 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, download my "misc stuff" modpack and check the crosshair_ex mod 11:06 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone have a link to what ius meantioned here? http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-04-22 11:08 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza sphax could use that mod with his texture pack 11:09 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, the mods in the misc stuff pack is experimental or testing stuff; feel free to copy the code and/or textures and create your one based on it 11:09 kaeza these are no real mods 11:09 PilzAdam kaeza, btw, my new win build contains your HUD changes 11:10 kaeza PilzAdam, :D 11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet so it is wtfpl 11:10 PilzAdam just in case people ask 11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet though i will give credit of course 11:10 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, WTFPL 11:10 kaeza so do... what the fuck you want with it :) 11:11 kaeza of course credit is welcome, but not required 11:11 PilzAdam WTFPL in Minetest is actually really funny, because everyone will shout at you if you dont see it as "CC BY-SA" :-) 11:11 PilzAdam (in mods, that is) 11:11 jojoa1997|Tablet Not me 11:11 jojoa1997|Tablet everything i do is WTFPL 11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet also AMAZING! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3162 11:12 kaeza PilzAdam, I won't shout at someone for a couple of lines :P 11:12 kaeza (both of code and graphically) 11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza your code is now mine :) 11:12 kaeza go ahead :) 11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet and i made it >.> 11:12 PilzAdam wielditem editors are pretty obsolete since we have mesh support now 11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet jk 11:12 Zeg9 *interruption time* is there any callback when a block/node is loaded? 11:12 kaeza wut 11:12 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam but i need to make items 11:13 jojoa1997|Tablet i mean Zeg9 11:13 jojoa1997|Tablet node boxes 11:13 PilzAdam Zeg9, nope.avi 11:13 Zeg9 Okay 11:13 Zeg9 Guess I'll have to use an ABM then :P 11:13 PilzAdam that would be very slow 11:13 PilzAdam even worse than on_generated() 11:14 PilzAdam its like a on_generated() that is called everytime some walks near the block 11:15 kaeza PilzAdam, mesh as wielditems? 11:15 kaeza meshes* 11:15 kaeza or did I read wrong? 11:15 jojoa1997|Tablet i am using it for stuff like cacti or other things 11:15 PilzAdam wielditems were abused when we had no mesh support, to have 3D mobs 11:16 PilzAdam well, the wielditem drawtype for entities 11:16 kaeza ah lol, got that the other way around 11:16 PilzAdam its still useful for nodeboxes 11:17 PilzAdam but its really 1337 to make them without an editor :-p 11:18 kaeza BTW, you can simulate better wielditems in some way by positioning an image HUD item over where the "hand" would be and using an empty wielditem texture 11:18 kaeza (though no bobbing/movement/whatever of course) 11:18 PilzAdam btw, I want doom 1-3 ported to Minetest 11:18 PilzAdam (saw your screenshots in -dev) 11:19 kaeza lol I meant that as a joke, but now I'm starting to get interested in that 11:19 Calinou moreblocks is fixed! 11:19 PilzAdam you dont have to simulate bullet entities, just instant damage 11:19 kaeza maybe change golems' textures from simple mobs to marines/imps 11:19 Calinou #markshuttleworthstyle 11:21 * PilzAdam banned Calinou from #markshuttleworthstyle 11:22 PilzAdam >:-) 11:23 Calinou There are several ways to flip Stairs+ nodes: 11:23 Calinou - using a screwdriver 11:23 Calinou - placing them in the crafting grid to cycle between normal/flipped/inverted/wall modes 11:23 Calinou - placing them on a ceiling (inverted mode) 11:23 Calinou - yelling "Hey stair/slab/panel/microblock, flip yourself!". No, that one doesn't work. 11:24 PilzAdam do you report the direction you choose to amazon? 11:24 Calinou yes, it is secured through HTTPS, so there is nothing to worry about 11:25 Calinou the next version of more blocks will also report the kind of stair you use (normal, half, alternative) to eBay 11:25 Calinou :p 11:25 PilzAdam mark shuttleworth style Copyright (c) 2012-2013 Calinou 11:27 iqualfragile oh dear 11:27 iqualfragile i dont think that that old nodebox thing is good 11:28 iqualfragile i know that there is some kind of 3d model thing in developmet but i will just assume it has security problems 11:28 iqualfragile lets start an own 3d models thing 11:32 Calinou security problems, lol 11:39 kaeza1 dang 11:40 kaeza1 IMHO line_of_sight(pos1,pos2,stepsize) should return the position of the thing 11:40 kaeza1 +that "blocks" the LOS 11:41 kaeza1 (or better yet, the object in a format similar to pointed_thing) 11:41 * Kacey is all dressed up 11:42 kaeza oh well... will have to find a workaround then 11:46 PilzAdam kaeza, just do the same that line_of_sight() does, go in little steps forward until you hit something 11:46 kaeza that is slooooow 11:47 kaeza but see no other choice 11:48 PilzAdam you could just check for objects and run line_of_sight() afterwards 11:48 PilzAdam so the node checking part isnt needed anymore 11:51 Kacey bbl 11:53 kaeza hmm 12:14 * Calinou is trying to load a 256× pack in MC 12:14 Calinou 29.6% of my RAM used 12:14 Calinou by MC only 12:15 Calinou PilzAdam: why are wielditems hard to make without an editor? you just make a texture and it is extruded, no? 12:16 PilzAdam we were talking about wielditem drawtype for entities, wich uses nodeboxes 12:16 Calinou ah 12:16 PilzAdam also: Beds Mod update! the player lays in the bed now and cant walk away 12:16 Calinou pack doesn't load :( reverting to 128x 12:18 kaeza vvl 12:18 kaeza bbl* 12:18 kaeza lol 12:18 Calinou minetest with 256x pack on a server: 1.8GB -- minecraft with 128x pack on a server: 350MB 12:18 Calinou java, quand tu nous tiens 12:18 Calinou oops, it's the other way around 12:18 Calinou 1.8GB for MC and 350MB for MT 12:20 PilzAdam oh, wow, hes so uber pro! I cant believe it, he owns us all: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86040#p86040 12:21 ruskie lol 12:21 * Calinou packs that topic in his hand 12:21 * Calinou throws his hand into trash 12:21 Calinou (yes) 12:24 * Zeg9 has got a nice error :D 12:24 Zeg9 14:21:25: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: (null) 12:24 Zeg9 14:21:25: ERROR[main]: stack traceback: 12:24 PilzAdam print(nil)? 12:24 PilzAdam that has some really strange error messages 12:25 [0gb_us] Hmm. At least that's better than my latest error message, which is no error message at all. The server just quits. 12:25 Zeg9 No, if pos1 == pos2 (sorta) 12:25 Zeg9 or it is the table.remove just after. I'll try. 12:26 PilzAdam the best error messages come up in if conditions 12:26 PilzAdam pretty much un-debugable 12:26 Zeg9 Then I tried to restart the world (singleplayer) and had a segfault :D 12:26 Zeg9 Apparently, it was not from pos1 == pos2, but from the table.remove... 12:27 PilzAdam table.revmoce(nil, nil, nil, {nil, nil, nil})? 12:27 PilzAdam *remove 12:27 Zeg9 I guess I know what's the problem 12:27 Zeg9 I'm removing something from a table while I'm iterating through it. 12:27 Zeg9 Shame on me... 12:28 Zeg9 Oh, and I forgot to write ipairs(), too 12:40 sfan5 PilzAdam: print(nil) prints "nil" 12:40 PilzAdam no, it crashes 12:40 sfan5 since when? 12:40 PilzAdam print(dump(nil)) prints nil 12:40 sfan5 thats because dump crashes, not print 12:40 [0gb_us] Yeah, whenever I print(nil), it crashes. 12:41 PilzAdam print() only accepts strings, and dump() converts nil into a string 12:41 [0gb_us] print(dump(nil)) works fine. 12:41 PilzAdam normal lua has automatically calls print(dump()) when you call print() 12:42 PilzAdam Minetest doesnt 12:42 sfan5 TIL that you can select some text then press "quick quote" and it'll quote that text 12:42 [0gb_us] So in Minetest, print(5) should crash? 12:43 [0gb_us] Because five isn't a string, I mean. 12:43 * ShadowBot sleeps 12:43 PilzAdam ummm 12:43 celeron55 i think lua will convert between numbers and string as needed 12:43 PilzAdam dunno, test it 12:43 celeron55 but not between anything else 12:43 celeron55 (anything else being table, nil, true and false) 12:45 [0gb_us] I know it doesn't convert tables, I've mistakenly passed them to print() before when I thought the variable contained something else. I haven't tried booleans. 12:46 [0gb_us] I'll probably test tomorrow, too much homework today. 13:07 KikaRz Hellow! 13:29 KikaRz DAMN HOST1FREEE!!!!!!!!!!!! 13:29 KikaRz :@@@@@ 13:38 [0gb_us] WHat did they do? 13:38 KikaRz Recused my VPS 13:39 KikaRz I can send you the email. 13:40 [0gb_us] They challenged your VPS? 13:40 KikaRz http://pastebin.com/jM1WD3nM 13:40 KikaRz ? No 13:40 KikaRz I've done an application to have a VPS, and they Refused. 13:41 KikaRz or was not approved 13:42 [0gb_us] Ah. You said "recused", which means challenged. 13:45 KikaRz Lawl 13:45 KikaRz Well, can you help me? 13:45 KikaRz I want one free VPS, and I can't find anywhere. 13:49 KikaRz Someone can help me??? :'( 13:49 KikaRz VanessaE, are you there sweetheart? 13:49 [0gb_us] Sorry, I don't know where to get free VPS. 14:04 * PilzAdam knows where you can get a free VPS for 3 months 14:04 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5718 14:15 KikaRz For 3 months? -.- 14:15 KikaRz i want forever. 14:17 KikaRz 128MB Ram at least. 14:17 KikaRz PilzAdam 14:18 PilzAdam I want a new PC with 1024 GiB RAM; 10 TB SSD and a couple of 8 core i7 14:18 PilzAdam for free 14:19 KikaRz ... 14:21 KikaRz Really... Tell me please, one free vps 14:22 PilzAdam + a ISP that gives me 10 GiB/s IPv6 internet connection 14:22 PilzAdam for free 14:22 [0gb_us] If he doesn't know one,he doesn't know one. Saying "please" won't help. 14:25 KikaRz ... 14:25 KikaRz Stupid host1free. 14:26 [0gb_us] I'm not sure how they can afford to give free VPS. 14:26 [0gb_us] You can't really expect that sort of thing. 14:27 [0gb_us] It's not like with software, where making 1024 copies has the same cost as making only one. 14:31 [0gb_us] I've looked at mapgen version seven. It's much less realistic. Personally, I don't really care, as I'm not wanting realism, but most people seem to be pushing for greater realism. So why are they so exited about more a fantastical mapgen? The contradiction confuses me. 14:35 jordan4ibanez Because the mapgen is 14:35 jordan4ibanez FUCKING BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 14:35 jordan4ibanez ring 14:35 [0gb_us] Boring and REALISTIC. 14:36 jordan4ibanez It looks like god took a sledgehammer and smashed the earth, where are the nice curves? 14:36 jordan4ibanez V7 looks more realistic 14:36 PilzAdam [0gb_us], Minetest has not the goal to be realistic at all 14:37 sokomine mostly i want intresting scenery for my singleplayer world - that is, rich plantlife, animals, diffrent biomes (snow does well already; swamp is far too slow) - a world worth exploring with much to play in 14:37 [0gb_us] The new mapgen looks like abstract art. No realism at all. 14:37 sokomine can't tell yet 14:37 [0gb_us] PilzAdam: I'm not after realism, I'm trying to figure out why the people that DO want realism are ALSO exited about unrealistic mapgen. 14:38 jordan4ibanez It's because the mapgen is realistic, maybe you are very used to cities where the terrain is horribly sculpted 14:38 PilzAdam who wants realisms and is exited about mg v7? 14:38 PilzAdam -s 14:38 [0gb_us] I want to understand their train of thought. That is all. I like the new mapgen, but I'm also not after realism, and never was. 14:38 sokomine what we need regarding mapgen are more flat areas between the scenery i think. places where people can build. there are some locations like this...mostly on top of steep cliffs 14:38 jordan4ibanez Just remember: Minetest's mapgen takes place where NO ONE else was before, so the terrain is 100% unlandscaped 14:38 jordan4ibanez it needs to be smooth and natural like in v7 mapgen 14:38 [0gb_us] I build on and under slopes with no dificulty. 14:39 jordan4ibanez current mapgen looks like the remains of an old civilization that had a nuclear war 14:39 [0gb_us] jordan4ibanez: V7 is LESS natural, not more. 14:39 sokomine hm :-) if there where ruins all over the map, that might be quite intresting... 14:40 sokomine on the other hand...just let some unskilled players place some cobble constructions, add a few griefers -> indistinguishable from ruins 14:40 [0gb_us] The dungeons look like ruins to me. 14:42 jordan4ibanez I am looking at v7 mapgen and it all looks very realistic, can you show me a pic which does not? 14:48 sokomine perhaps it's a question of seed 14:53 [0gb_us] Look at the oddly-shaped mountains in any of PilzAdam's screenshots. 14:53 celeron55 i do think there should be more flat areas 14:53 [0gb_us] Also, I always use seed zero, and there is an odd cave in an odd mountain near (but not at) the center of the map. 14:54 celeron55 also i think there should be higher mountains, different kinds of bodies of water and so on 14:54 celeron55 in addition to what we have no 14:54 celeron55 now* 14:54 Jordach celeron55, rivers 14:54 [0gb_us] I know StrayBytes wants rivers. 14:55 jordan4ibanez The mountains are not unatural, but they are interesting, and yes we should have varying levels of water 14:57 [0gb_us] The mountains look VERY unnatural. If you say they look natural, you've either not seen real mountains, not seen v7, are lying, or are blind. 14:57 [0gb_us] They are quite interesting though, and I do like them. 14:57 [0gb_us] I just don't claim they look natural. 14:58 khonkhortisan I have two things to say. And the fourth one is... 14:58 jordan4ibanez Okay I think we should stop arguing over a mountain lol 14:58 celeron55 i agree with [0gb_us] 14:58 NakedFury I do agree we need to utilise more of the thousands of levels in height we have 14:58 khonkhortisan Terrain generation is something that you can never get perfect 14:58 jordan4ibanez Well you can, we just haven't reached it yet 14:58 NakedFury varying levels of bodies of water will also give us waterfall or lakes and rivers 14:59 [0gb_us] Yes, we have a lot of sky space. I think floating isles are planned. 14:59 arsdragonfly everyone has his/her own definition of perfection 15:00 NakedFury we can reach a perfect for us level of map generation but it will take time 15:00 [0gb_us] khonkhortisan: I'm not expecting it to be perfect, nor do I really care how good or bad terrain looks. I just care about people saying it looks more natural than it does. 15:01 [0gb_us] I play deep underground, where the ores are. What the surface looks like is of little consequence to me. ☺ 15:01 celeron55 khonkhortisan: it's art and game design combined, and you can't perfect either of those even on their own, and in addition to that, they conflict with each other 8) 15:01 arsdragonfly Perhaps it's because we haven't seen enough natural landscapes yet 15:02 [0gb_us] Oh, I did find a hole in the bottom of the sea, and it lead strait to lava. This is the first time I've seen that sort of thing. 15:02 khonkhortisan cool 15:04 arsdragonfly BTW are veins introduced in the mapgen? 15:04 Jordach eys 15:04 Jordach yes*# 15:04 [0gb_us] Ore veins? I hope not. 15:04 khonkhortisan I think they're clusters 15:05 jordan4ibanez I don't like how the viewing distance setter tries to auto guess, I set it to 55 and it goes into the range of 500 bringing my fps down, why? 15:05 celeron55 jordan4ibanez: set wanted_fps to something that you want 15:05 celeron55 or whatever it's called 15:06 [0gb_us] The current even distribution makes my tunnel building operation profitable. If it was switched to veins, I'd lose ore. 15:06 celeron55 it's kind of badly tuned for mid-range computers 15:06 jordan4ibanez Could there be a gui setting for this? 15:06 khonkhortisan Easily. 15:07 jojoa1997|Tablet So any lighting for nodes being added soon 15:07 jojoa1997|Tablet I know hmmmm made stained glass 15:07 arsdragonfly Why not put a simple text editor in the settings menu:P 15:08 [0gb_us] Or put a simple text editor in the operating system. 15:08 Jordach [0gb_us], clever 15:09 [0gb_us] My operating system came with at least two. 15:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Same here 15:09 [0gb_us] Getit and Vim. There may be others too that I don't know about. 15:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Or one the other came with pc 15:10 [0gb_us] jojoa1997|Tablet: What do you mean? 15:10 arsdragonfly I can't change minetest.conf when the game is running 15:10 jordan4ibanez pilzadam http://ompldr.org/vaTczNA/minetest-0.4.6-4a9b8aa-sandy-win32.zip does this one have luajit? 15:11 [0gb_us] Yeah, you have to close Minetest before changing settings. 15:11 jojoa1997|Tablet I got Microsoft word and the other notepad 15:11 jojoa1997|Tablet Yes 15:11 jojoa1997|Tablet All of his do now 15:11 jojoa1997|Tablet Though you can check by looking in bin 15:12 [0gb_us] Microsoft Word isn't a text editor. If you're counting that, my system came with three. 15:12 Jordach flabbyword 15:12 [0gb_us] I have LibreOffice Writer though, not Word. 15:12 Jordach ah 15:12 Jordach yeah, i use LO 4 15:13 jojoa1997|Tablet sfan5: do mods work when running server on android 15:13 jojoa1997|Tablet I want to test for errors 15:13 sfan5 what server? 15:14 jojoa1997|Tablet Android minetest 15:14 jojoa1997|Tablet You said you got server working 15:14 sfan5 no 15:14 sfan5 i didn't say that 15:14 sfan5 read again 15:15 jordan4ibanez Does anyone know this issue? http://i.imgur.com/DYnaS8d.jpg 15:16 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: oh god! you stabbed a sword in your hand 15:16 jordan4ibanez Not me! My friend 15:18 sfan5 that must've hurt 15:18 sfan5 *must've'd 15:18 [0gb_us] The black is caused by an erased alpha channel on the images. 15:19 [0gb_us] I don't know what's up with the hand sword though. 15:22 celeron55 jordan4ibanez: one guy had that, he had broken drivers 15:22 celeron55 or broken driver settings 15:22 celeron55 tell him to stop messing around them 15:22 Traxie21 Working on a primitive safety system in lua, checks for safe directories before allowing io.open/close/etc. 15:23 celeron55 +with 15:23 celeron55 jordan4ibanez: also disabling shaders could possibly work (but probably not) 15:23 Traxie21 not nearly as advanced as sapier's 15:23 jordan4ibanez He's not messing around, he doesn't know what he's doing, and he's even more big-headed than me so he probably won't fix them 15:24 celeron55 Traxie21: we don't care about being advanced; we are about being compatible, not restricting anything more than is necessary and being *actually secure*, not just some child safety lock 8) 15:25 Traxie21 Heh, this is more of a child safety lock 15:25 Traxie21 Something along the lines of what Uberi said 15:25 celeron55 security is not a thing to take lightly at all - some maybe-security is the worst thing to do 15:25 celeron55 because it makes people think it is secure, while any malicious person can hack around it 15:25 Traxie21 indeed 15:26 khonkhortisan "Task Manager has been disabled by your administrator" is an example of that 15:26 Traxie21 LOL 15:26 khonkhortisan A plain user with regedit can disable it 15:28 Traxie21 celeron, when will we get any security? 15:28 Traxie21 ATM, any malicious modder could simple write some malicious code in a mod, and get away with it. 15:29 khonkhortisan That would have to be their second malicious mod for them to already be a malicious modder :P 15:29 Traxie21 >_> 15:29 [0gb_us] Try reading the Lua before you install it. 15:29 khonkhortisan :( error: switch quantity not an integer 15:30 [0gb_us] Or install only Lua from trusted sources. For example, PilzAdam and VanessaE are probably not going to write malicious code. 15:31 jojoa1997|Tablet what about me >.> 15:32 * jojoa1997|Tablet has a time bomb hidden in peaceful_npc after 543536563 step boom the world gets erased 15:32 [0gb_us] jojoa1997|Tablet: You reuse other peoples' code, and THEY might write malicious code. 15:32 jojoa1997|Tablet only problem is i dont know how to access files with the io.open thingy 15:32 jojoa1997|Tablet 0gb_us i always look at the code i use 15:33 Calinou io.open("C:\Windows\System32\") 15:33 Traxie21 0gb.us Not everyone wants to look at the code, and not everyone will 15:33 [0gb_us] Okay, well I thought you said you didn't understand some of the code from peaceful_npc. 15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet i actually almost destroyed everyones world with minitest 15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet i made default depend on default 15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet so none of the other mods loaded 15:33 Calinou Traxie21: sometimes when I install mods from unknown people, I search for "io" in the mod's code :P 15:33 Traxie21 Wow 15:33 Calinou and "os" 15:33 Traxie21 One line can delete your entire world file 15:33 Calinou of course 15:33 Traxie21 os.remove(minetest.get_worldpath().."/map.sqlite") 15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet [0gb_us] i understand all of it except the moving 15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet thank you i didnt need to know that 15:34 [0gb_us] Traxie21: Which is why I gave a second option: Only install code from trusted people. 15:34 Traxie21 The point is, even now, malicious code is way too easy 15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet hmmmm ping 15:35 Calinou sapier made a patch that removed some os and io functionality 15:35 [0gb_us] file:write() can also write the empty string to map.sqlite, killing it. 15:35 Calinou (was only allowed in mod directory) 15:35 Calinou it's still not merged :| 15:35 Traxie21 Why are we so scared about Jeija's cURL thingy? Because it makes it hard(er) to check code before it's done. 15:35 Traxie21 Its still not that hard though 15:35 Calinou it is not scary, it should be merged 15:35 Calinou even c-fifty-five is for merging it 15:35 Traxie21 Calinou, celeron55 dosn't like sapiers security XD 15:35 Calinou "a few people eat too much: BAN FOOD!" 15:35 Traxie21 WHAT!? 15:35 Traxie21 NEVER!? 15:36 * [0gb_us] is fat and against banning food 15:36 * jojoa1997|Tablet wants to be a bowling ball 15:36 Traxie21 fack, latest commit to HUD messed up my code again.. 15:36 ShadowNinja I am trying to edit one of the ObjectRef methods, all I am getting are redirects and links, where are the actual methods? 15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet Traxie i am working on book mod 15:37 Traxie21 We ought to commit jeija's code, because it is no less secure then what we already have 15:37 Traxie21 since we already can write horrible code, it dosn't matter where it comes from 15:38 Traxie21 If people check the code before they run it, all they have to do is visit the URL being downloaded from 15:38 [0gb_us] Traxie21: As celeron55 said, bad security is worse than no security. 15:38 jojoa1997|Tablet not if you know it is bad 15:38 Traxie21 0gb.us, sapiers code is actually TOO restrictive afaik 15:39 [0gb_us] Traxie21: I'm not saying we should use it. 15:39 ShadowNinja There it is! 15:40 Traxie21 [0gb_us] I know, but we either need good security or no security, cURL requesting won't open some magical portal that allows malicious code in under our noses. 15:40 Traxie21 I so want it to be merged.. 15:40 jojoa1997|Tablet CAn someone help me with minitest 15:40 jojoa1997|Tablet ideas really 15:40 [0gb_us] What good is the cURL downloading? It sounds like a centralized system, which seems like a bad idea with little benefit. 15:42 jojoa1997|Tablet i need to figure out a way to get the natural materials needed for stuff 15:42 Traxie21 cURL downloading? 15:42 Traxie21 So many new possibilities 15:43 jordan4ibanez That sounds very very bad 15:43 Traxie21 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/490 15:45 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone know what is wrong with Stu's armor mod 15:45 [0gb_us] Traxie21: Okay, I thought you meant something else. 15:45 Traxie21 lol 15:46 Traxie21 I''ve been waiting for that to be merged for so long, I may just compile it iwth my server 15:47 [0gb_us] Yeah, maybe servers that need it can compile it it. 15:47 Calinou [0gb_us]: lol, anti-centralised fanboy 15:47 Calinou centralisation ftw, it brings too many benefits, you can forget its downsides 15:47 Traxie21 0gb_us, it would be a pain to write a mod that uses that, and have to force people to recompile to use it 15:48 [0gb_us] I'm not a fan boy. I just don't think centralized it the right direction for Minetest. There are cases when centralization is very good. 15:48 Calinou so everyone should forward their port 80 (99 % of ISPs forbid that)? 15:48 Calinou and how would you do your distributed system? 15:49 rubenwardy hi all 15:49 [0gb_us] What are you talking about, Calinou? Minetest doesn't typically use port 80. 15:49 [0gb_us] Hello. 15:50 Calinou for cURL. cURL downloads web stuff, web is hosted on port 80 most of the time 15:50 Calinou hi rubenwardy 15:51 [0gb_us] The web stuff doesn't need to be on peoples' home machines, they find file hosts ..... 15:51 Calinou it would still be centralized 15:51 jordan4ibanez Oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 15:51 Traxie21 ? 15:51 [0gb_us] No, you can cURL to any server. So non-centralized. 15:52 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86073#p86073 15:52 * PilzAdam is bored 15:52 jordan4ibanez I have to rework all of blockmen's doors/fences mods so they don't use punch node and instead use nodeupdate 15:52 jordan4ibanez nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 15:52 Traxie21 :I Why? 15:52 jordan4ibanez because some mods use punchnode, like tnt, and sometimes it causes crashes 15:53 Calinou [0gb_us]: but the file hosts are centralized 15:53 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: default:cobble, not default:cobblestone (unless I missed something). 15:54 PilzAdam I always got that wrong :-/ 15:54 Calinou looks like OOXML specification, PilzAdam 15:54 [0gb_us] Calinou: The file hosts are NOT centralized. What are you talking about? ANY server can host. 15:54 Calinou they are 15:54 Calinou dropbox.com, ompldr.org... 15:54 Calinou noone uses their computer directly to share files 15:55 [0gb_us] Calinou: I do. 15:55 [0gb_us] Also, if there is more than one group providing hosting, that is by definition, NOT centralized. 15:56 [0gb_us] For example, if it was centralized, it would be dropbox.com OR ompldr.org, not AND. 15:58 Traxie21 john_minetest, it may be possible, but it already is possible to load a lua virus 15:59 [0gb_us] OH! OH OH OH! cURL can be accessed via os.execute() if needed. 15:59 [0gb_us] Instant cURL support without waiting. 16:01 Traxie21 but how well 16:02 Jordach actually 16:02 [0gb_us] As well as the os object allows, I guess. I don't see why a dedicated function would be any better. 16:02 Traxie21 is it supported cross-platform? 16:03 [0gb_us] if cURL is installed globally, I think so. If not, cURL may need to be packaged with the Lua plugin. 16:04 TheBonsai system('pause') syndrome? 16:05 [0gb_us] os.execute() also allows you to pass in any needed flags. 16:05 [0gb_us] TheBonsai: What is that? 16:06 Mati^1 hi 16:06 rubenwardy kaeza? 16:06 TheBonsai [0gb_us]: it's a classic windows "programmer" code to ask for a keypress on terminal from within theit C program :-) 16:06 TheBonsai *their 16:07 jordan4ibanez when you rightclick an on_rightclick node, the place sound of the node you are wielding will play 16:07 rubenwardy I really need to get Mt Extensions of my server: too much trafiic 16:07 rubenwardy *traffic 16:18 Traxie21 how does one get os.execute to get the value excecuted? 16:21 rubenwardy2 stupid internet 16:21 [0gb_us] Not sure. Check the Lua documentation. 16:23 Jordach rubenwardy, get a better isp 16:23 Jordach or stop using wireless 16:24 * ShadowBot wakes up 16:24 rubenwardy2 we will be switching isp 16:24 rubenwardy2 I am trying to get this to work: https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator/blob/master/cNodes.cpp#L154 16:24 rubenwardy2 atm 16:24 * ShadowBot sleeps 16:26 rubenwardy2 Almost works! 16:26 rubenwardy2 just need to adjust stuff 16:27 * sfan5 needs someone to test his mod 16:28 ShadowNinja sfan5: What mod? 16:28 sfan5 its a special mod for a special thing 16:29 ShadowNinja Well that is very descriptive... 16:30 Traxie21 I'll test :D 16:30 Jordach its a spleefing arena 16:30 Jordach with auto respawns 16:30 sfan5 Jordach: stop spoiling 16:30 Jordach also: more 8x stuff: http://i.imgur.com/pkA6ZN1.png 16:30 Jordach (ignore the torches) 16:32 Calinou minceraft torches 16:33 Jordach Calinou, i usually use another texture pack crop, then draw my stuff 16:33 Jordach (i dont have to grab the images again.) 16:35 Traxie21 Does anyone here use windows? 16:35 [0gb_us] Not me. 16:35 khonkhortisan Yes 16:35 khonkhortisan Also not me 16:35 Traxie21 Could you test some code for me in Windows? 16:36 Calinou dunno why but these days, I want to use windows again ;-; 16:36 khonkhortisan You've forgotten why you don't use it 16:36 Calinou even if I needed to compile minetest I can just use virtualbox to play MT inside, it's more than playable 16:36 Calinou khonkhortisan: huh? 16:36 Traxie21 http://pastebin.com/gZRk3gwW 16:36 Traxie21 I need that code in windows, curl needs to be installed 16:37 mauvebic gotta say, win7 boots hella fast, not at all what i remember from ten years + ago lol 16:37 Traxie21 It downloads code from pastebin and runs it 16:37 Traxie21 Don't worry, heres what it downloads 16:37 Calinou win8 boots a bit (1-2 seconds) slower than ubuntu 16:37 Traxie21 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=t1J1YMLD 16:37 Calinou and win7 boots 4-5 secs slower than win8 16:37 mauvebic 8? wouldn't touch that with a ten foot notch 16:37 Jordach hey mauvebic 16:38 mauvebic howdy jordach 16:38 Jordach using arch are we 16:38 mauvebic on the p4 16:38 Jordach i've considered going arch 16:38 mauvebic hp: 100 gigs for win7 16:38 mauvebic so only install games lol 16:38 mauvebic still haven't gotten around to fixing bootloader 16:38 Traxie21 Anyone with cURL installed in windows want to test my code? 16:39 sfan5 Traxie21: you'll need 16:39 sfan5 curl 16:39 Calinou mauvebic: classicshell can put start menu back 16:39 sfan5 installed in PATH 16:39 Calinou and I could get used to win8 just fine, stop the modern DE hate 16:39 Traxie21 yes sfan 16:40 Traxie21 Is there a way to do it with the included dlls? 16:40 sfan5 no 16:40 mauvebic hmm, well i figured the HP is 9-12 mos old and has a win7 sticker on it, so i didn't fancy my chances my win8 :p 16:40 Traxie21 In that case, it would be possible to put a virus/run bad code on linux, but not windows with this/minetest, as long as cURL is not in the user's path var 16:40 mauvebic besides i had a win7 ultimate iso 16:41 Calinou hax 16:41 Jordach mauvebic, you will never see the start button in 8 16:41 mauvebic the only other iso have is xp pro lol 16:41 Jordach although start8 is a good free app 16:42 Traxie21 is it just me, or does windows 8 look like a bunch of people were adding seperate things without knowing what the others were doing? 16:42 Calinou start8 is paid, Jordach 16:42 mauvebic if i wanted tiles i have a bathroom floor that needs re-doing lol 16:43 Calinou Traxie21: it does, but it's still faster than win7 16:43 [0gb_us] My school gives me free access to Windows, but I won't install it. 16:43 * mauvebic is shocked 16:43 Jordach [0gb_us], i'm using windows for the next two years and its then a linux life forever 16:43 mauvebic i thought you were a huge fan of windows? 16:43 Jordach at school anyways 16:43 [0gb_us] I hate Windows. 16:43 * Calinou is a windows heatsink 16:44 [0gb_us] Last term, I needed Windows for one application for school. But that course is over now. 16:44 Calinou [0gb_us]: linux has its downsides too, third class hardware support, people constantly saying "why dont you use a real OS" 16:44 [0gb_us] SO I deleted WIndows. 16:44 [0gb_us] *So 16:44 mauvebic im pretty agnostic when it comes to OS'es - all the gods are dead :p 16:45 Calinou and too many made-by-community FUD 16:45 [0gb_us] Windows is the one that isn't a real OS though. 16:45 Calinou why isn't it? it has few downsides 16:45 mauvebic [0gb_us]: linux has its downsides too, third class hardware support 16:45 mauvebic third class software in many cases too 16:45 Calinou being proprietary (not important to me) and paid (100 euros isn't nothing) 16:45 Calinou ^ 16:45 [0gb_us] It's downsides may be small in quantity, but are HUGE in effect. 16:46 * Jordach has food 16:46 mauvebic 20 thousand music players = each with one feature you need 16:46 Jordach Spaghetti Bol (to be exact.) 16:46 Jordach mauvebic, clementine is a good player 16:46 mauvebic and when they do get something right, its a complete clone and you might as well buy the original and join your friends 16:46 Calinou I'm often getting scared of my system breaking because people FUD about ubuntu and nvidia blobs being broken *_* 16:46 [0gb_us] I have all the software I need for my Linux computer. Also, on Ubuntu, I have great support for my hardware. 16:46 Calinou Jordach: GIMP sucks at texturing 16:47 Calinou ("real" textures, that is, at least 1024^2) 16:47 Calinou not pixel art 16:47 [0gb_us] Calinou: GIMP is awesome for texturing. 16:47 * Traxie21 is working on a downloader/updater for ServerExtended 16:47 Calinou [0gb_us]: what if I want to buy an AMD card? I have _zero_ info on how, eg., a 7950 will work 16:47 mauvebic gimp has a windows version, im using it for my blockscape screenshots 16:47 [0gb_us] GIMP is as powerful as PhotoShop, but has a different interface. 16:47 [0gb_us] I'm on AMD ..... 16:47 Calinou never used PS so I can't voice my opinion 16:47 Calinou [0gb_us]: which graphics card? 16:48 [0gb_us] I don't know what card. 16:48 khonkhortisan There's photoshop-like gimp plugins 16:48 [0gb_us] It works fine though. 16:48 Calinou lspci | grep VGA 16:48 Calinou ^ in a terminal 16:48 [0gb_us] It's not fancy, and it doesn't run well in Debian, but my graphics card works fine in Ubuntu. 16:48 mauvebic the only linux i really like is arch, and i might try slack one day, but thats on the condition i dont update and something breaks for lack of proper testing lol 16:49 [0gb_us] 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] 16:49 Calinou ah 16:49 mauvebic in the past ten years ive tried most of the major ones, didn't see that much of a difference, they all suck at different aspects 16:49 Calinou I was talking about modern hardware of course :P 16:50 [0gb_us] It takes time to get hardware support, as unlike Microsoft, the Linux people don't get perrelease specs on the hardware. 16:50 [0gb_us] *prerelease 16:51 mauvebic why should they? would it stop them from complaining about everything else? (proprietary drivers, for instance) 16:52 mauvebic it amazes me that people still knock on nvidia for releasing binary drivers - were it not for nvidia's driver, linux wouldn't have half the users it has 16:53 [0gb_us] I'm not expressing an opinion on whether or not they should, just explaining why Microsoft is quicker at adding support: hardware companies give them access to the specs sooner. 16:53 mauvebic oh that, market share 16:53 [0gb_us] I also have no problem with proprietary drivers. 16:53 Morrolan Calinou: Dang, you spotted me. :P 16:53 mauvebic linux is like what, <1%, and MS is like 2/3 or 3/4 of the market 16:53 [0gb_us] Proprietary software is great. It's just Windows that is awful. 16:54 mauvebic no i know but even if you don't even linus torvalds is known to blast nvidia from time to time 16:54 [0gb_us] Popular is not the same as decent. 16:54 [0gb_us] Ah, I see. 16:54 [0gb_us] I don't know a whole lot about the guy. 16:54 Morrolan "were it not for nvidia's driver, linux wouldn't have half the users it has" oO 16:54 Calinou mauvebic: 90% 16:54 mauvebic the top linux devs waste more time on politics than fixing their stuff 16:54 Morrolan I... do not use Linux because of Nvidia's drivers. 16:54 Traxie21 trying to use io.open to create a file.... 16:55 Traxie21 no success yet. 16:55 * Calinou does, he can use fan control there! but he cannot go below 40%! AWESOME 16:55 Morrolan Haha. 16:55 [0gb_us] I use it because of legal issues. 16:55 Calinou legal aspects of opensource aren't a reason, imo 16:55 mauvebic i use em because the opensource graphics drivers are complete and utter crap and they pretend it's as good lol (apple's distortion field was ported to linux) 16:55 Calinou in france, there are no software patents and stuff like that 16:56 Calinou even NDAs have zero value in france 16:56 Traxie21 Ah 16:56 Traxie21 How does one create a folder in lua? 16:56 sfan5 os.execu 16:56 sfan5 *os.mkdir 16:56 sfan5 IIRC 16:56 [0gb_us] The issue is that it's illegal for me to install my original OS on this hardware. Legally I can install Linux, so I did. 16:57 [0gb_us] I needed an OS, but didn't want to break the law. 16:57 mauvebic i shouldn't worry too much about legal 16:57 [0gb_us] So yes, legality is an issue. 16:57 Calinou you can use a windows ISO fine, for 30 days 16:57 mauvebic i think these days they got better things to do (catch terrorists) 16:57 Calinou after 30 days you need an activation key 16:57 [0gb_us] Windows is awful, I refuse to use it. 16:57 Calinou [protip: buy "full" versions of windows, not OEM ones. much more expensive but useful in the long term) 16:57 * Morrolan blinks 16:57 Calinou OEM versions are linked to the motherboard :P 16:57 Morrolan Noo. :P 16:58 Morrolan They are? 16:58 Calinou they are 16:58 [0gb_us] I'm NEVER buying Windows. I will not pay for an inferior product. 16:58 Morrolan As in, you install it on one computer, then it's linked to that motherboard? 16:58 Calinou try changing your mobo, with or without the CPU at the same time, you can't reinstall iirc 16:58 * sfan5 has a windows cd that is intended for OEM "distributors" 16:58 Calinou dunno how it works exactly 16:58 mauvebic meh, my HP didn't come with a restore CD, but they would have sold one to me, so i just DL'ed the drivers and an iso, legal or not, its the same setup as when i bought the damn thing, so... who cares lol 16:58 Morrolan Ah. Probably never noticed it, since I change my hardware more often than my OS. 16:58 Calinou google 16:58 sfan5 *windows 7 16:58 Morrolan Or, well, maybe about as often. 16:58 Calinou sfan5: 90% of people buy that, it is perfectly legal 16:59 Morrolan Eh, just as often, else it wouldn't make sense. 16:59 * Morrolan sighs 16:59 Morrolan Back to coffee. 16:59 sfan5 windows wants a new activation key if the system hardware changes too much 16:59 Calinou motherboard mainly 16:59 Calinou you can change everything else 16:59 mauvebic use removewat 16:59 [0gb_us] For me, it was a Linux versus OS X issue. Windows is so awful it wasn't even an OPTION. 16:59 Morrolan Windows is just fine. 17:00 Morrolan It has its shortcomins for development (of anything not .NET), but as an OS it performs nicely. 17:00 * sfan5 doesn't really like Win 17:00 mauvebic windows might be awful in your eyes, but all the best games come out for it first 17:00 Calinou Morrolan: virtualbox ;) 17:00 ImQ009 Calinou, I changed the mobo and Win 7 didn't bother me 17:00 Calinou OEM version or not? 17:00 sfan5 Calinou: VBox game performance is shitty 17:00 [0gb_us] Windows is not just fine. 17:00 ImQ009 Oh, you're talking about OEM 17:00 ImQ009 That's a different story then 17:00 [0gb_us] Windows security is awful. It's unacceptable. It also eats resources like crazy. 17:00 Morrolan Calinou: Yea. I just use a notebook for work (with Linux), and a desktop computer with Dual Boot for, well, the rest. 17:00 mauvebic then theres being able to buy a camera, printer or scanner and not worry if it's compatible with lin 17:00 Morrolan [0gb_us]: Pft. 17:00 ImQ009 [0gb_us], I guess you just were unlucky with it, really :P 17:01 Calinou sfan5: I can play minetest inside, ~30FPS 17:01 [0gb_us] Having games is not worth the sacrifice of having to use Windows. 17:01 Morrolan Then don't, for fuck's sake. 17:01 sfan5 [0gb_us]: about windows security... windows xp security is really awful 17:01 Calinou you have games in linux, but nowhere near the quality and polish of AAA games 17:01 Calinou sfan5: win8 is quite secure 17:01 Morrolan Yea. One day! One day we will! 17:01 mauvebic security and resource management can be awful in any OS, depends what kind of crap you put on top of the OS 17:01 [0gb_us] ImQ009: I couldn't have been unlucky with it, because I was never a Windows user. 17:01 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Then how can you judge? 17:01 sfan5 xp doesn't even have ASLR, find and overflow bug and you can make a 97% working exploit for XP 17:01 ImQ009 That's quite silly, isn't it?? 17:02 [0gb_us] Windows 8 security is awful to, not just XP. 17:02 ImQ009 Double ?, excuse me 17:02 mauvebic ive seen people load so much bling on ubuntu as to make it as unusable as my little sisters' win setup lol 17:02 sfan5 [0gb_us]: ASLR is quite powerful.. 17:02 Calinou the issue is the developers don't play games too 17:02 Morrolan mauvebic: Isn't that how Ubuntu ships by default? :o 17:02 Calinou pulseaudio latency is still horrible if you haven't got hyperthreading 17:02 * Morrolan stares at links to amazon and god knows what else 17:02 Calinou so basically I'm forced to buy i7s or i3s 17:02 [0gb_us] If you do any reading, you can tell how bad Windows is. Also, my mother gets viruses all the time on her Windows machine. 17:02 mauvebic pulseaudio destroyed my last set of speakers/subs 17:02 mauvebic physically 17:03 Calinou [0gb_us]: beginner windows user 17:03 [0gb_us] "ASLR" is what? 17:03 Calinou I used no AV on windows for 1 year = ZERO issue 17:03 Calinou mauvebic: lol, speakers 17:03 ImQ009 [0gb_us], The worst thing is to rely on others' opinions. 17:03 Calinou 20 euro speakers? 17:03 sfan5 [0gb_us]: adress space layout randomization 17:03 mauvebic the issue is the developers don't play games too <- they do 1/3 code, 2/3 politics and philosophy lol 17:03 ImQ009 I use Windows for years and I haven't got ANY major problems 17:03 sfan5 [0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization 17:03 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Grow dirt_with_snow instead of dirt_with_grass if snow is above it c03c296dc7 2013-04-23T10:02:41-07:00 http://git.io/JH5dhQ 17:03 mauvebic noooo calinou i had a nice pair of JBL speakers 17:03 [0gb_us] Windows is awful. You shouldn't have to be an expert to keep your computer safe. A beginner should be able to keep basic security. 17:03 Calinou JBL? 17:04 mauvebic isn't that the name? 17:04 ImQ009 [0gb_us], There's no good OS for beginner 17:04 Calinou if as many people used ubuntu as windows it would be as unsafe, [0gb_us] 17:04 ImQ009 On Windows a beginner will get shit load of viruses. On Lunix he just won't know how to use the thing 17:04 [0gb_us] ImQ009: I don't rely on others' opinions. Other people (most people) are in love with Windows. But am I? No. 17:04 ImQ009 An impass 17:04 mauvebic http://blog.mytrendyphone.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Harman-Kardon-JBL-Duet-Speaker-System.jpg 17:04 Calinou I'm not in love with windows :P 17:05 Calinou pulseaudio still can't destroy stuff physically 17:05 sfan5 Calinou: the least people in this channel ae 17:05 sfan5 *are 17:05 [0gb_us] ImQ009: Good, I don't know. But there are plenty of SAFE OSs for beginners. 17:05 Traxie21 how does one test weather or not a file exists without crashing the game? 17:05 Calinou nad report a bug, too :P 17:05 mauvebic ogb people aren't in love with windows, they prolly dont pay 1/4 the attention to what OS theyre running as you do :p 17:05 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Oh, I'm definitely not in love with Windows, I'd gladly change it but I'm kinda stuck with the software 17:05 Calinou "weather" ö_ö 17:05 Calinou look outside? :D 17:05 Traxie21 whether 17:05 ImQ009 And Wine? Meeeeh 17:05 Traxie21 For some reason, it crashes if the folder does not exist 17:06 [0gb_us] mauvebic: They panic if you tell them to use anything but Windows. That counts as being in love with Windows. 17:06 Calinou wine runs trackmania for me, but you cannot extend that to photoshop and *cough*pirated filterforge*cough* 17:06 mauvebic thats because theyre not interested in fucking around with what works 17:06 mauvebic they see zealots coming a mile away 17:06 sfan5 Calinou: trackmania also runs fine for me in wine 17:06 [0gb_us] Linux doesn't need to be "fucked with" to make it work. 17:06 mauvebic its starts with 1) try it! its much better 17:06 Calinou a bit slow with highest settings 17:06 mauvebic 2) we have equivilant sofware 17:07 [0gb_us] Try what? 17:07 mauvebic 3) buy compatible hardware 17:07 Calinou [0gb_us]: it does, often 17:07 mauvebic 4) fix it yourself 17:07 ImQ009 [0gb_us], It does :P A beginner wouln't have idea how to install basic stuff 17:07 Calinou if I want to hide bootloader: edit /etc/default/grub then type sudo update-grub 17:07 Traxie21 Congrats. On any minetest install with cURL on linux, you can add an auto-updater for mods 17:07 mauvebic so yeah, win users panic faced with those four stages 17:07 [0gb_us] Calinou: If it doesn't work out of the box, you didn't get the right disto. 17:07 Calinou xubuntu isn't fine? 17:07 Calinou no other distro has OOTB graphical bootloader configuration 17:08 Calinou I use "something else" in the installer as always 17:08 Calinou the other choices just suck :P 17:08 [0gb_us] If Xubuntu doesn't work out of the box, it's not fine for beginners. 17:08 mauvebic the only pickle i have now is weather to use win7 bootloader to start arch or restore grub, according to archwiki, both should work 17:08 mauvebic *whether (force of habit) 17:08 Calinou it works, but I don't want to have to press "enter" every time I boot 17:08 [0gb_us] I don't mean it has to work out of the box to be good for non-beginners. 17:08 Calinou I have long POST time and PSU failure 50% of the time when booting, it is long enough 17:09 mauvebic for 2 years linux mint couldn't decide weather PATA or SATA drive should boot first, so it took turns alternatively calling each hda, hdb lol so it would only boot half the time 17:09 Calinou >2013 >IDE 17:10 mauvebic and this, i was told to fix myself lol 17:10 mauvebic and i was like "but im not an OS dev" lol 17:10 Traxie21 Currently writing a ServerExtended installer 17:10 Traxie21 Progress: 20% 17:10 mauvebic you can't try to convert people if the default reaction is always DIY 17:11 * Traxie21 has stumbled upon a breakthrough, no one really cares :3 17:11 mauvebic like tinkering might be fine for most people here, but most win users have jobs to go to and family to take care of, computer isn't 1st in list of concerns 17:11 [0gb_us] mauvebic: Exactly. It needs to just work out of the box. 17:12 Calinou and no distro does that 17:12 mauvebic well now you're just making arguments FOR windows :p 17:12 [0gb_us] No. Windows doesn't work at all, let alone out of the box ..... 17:12 mauvebic and you can tell, RMS ain't getting any (action) 17:12 * Calinou looks at minecraft splash "Not on steam"... 17:13 ImQ009 [0gb_us], "Windows doesn't work at all" "Not relying on others' opinions" 17:13 ImQ009 Right :P 17:13 mauvebic well knowing your love for win, you prolly scratched obscenities onto the dvd before trying to load it lol 17:13 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/common: Add snowblock and aliases for dirt -> dirt_with_snow ABM ed277ee80e 2013-04-23T10:08:44-07:00 http://git.io/GVt8tw 17:14 [0gb_us] Whenever I am forced to deal with Windows, I see how non-functional it is. How is that relying on other peoples' opinions, pray tell? 17:14 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Saying that Windows "doesn't wrok at all" is "resource heavy" and shit is just invalid and silly, especially knowing that you don't know shit, really 17:14 ImQ009 I mean, you haven't used it after all 17:14 mauvebic well heres another example: even before loading up the drivers, win7 just worked on the HP. Most linux liveimages wouldn't start, arch would, with MESA, but was terribly laggy until i installed catalyst, which took forever, after that, it was finally usable 17:15 ImQ009 I agree that Windows isn't a perfect OS 17:15 ImQ009 It DOES have a lot of flaws 17:15 [0gb_us] I don't know a whole lot, but I do know it doesn't work and it lags my computer like crazy. 17:15 ImQ009 But what you're saying 17:15 ImQ009 Is just plain... silly 17:15 [0gb_us] It's not in any way silly. 17:15 ImQ009 I guess you had a bad luck then if it lags for you 17:16 [0gb_us] It's not bad luck. It's the fact that Windows sucks like hell. 17:16 Calinou [0gb_us]: lags? less sound latency in windows, almost zero :P 17:16 ImQ009 You're such an ignorant, [0gb_us] :P 17:16 Calinou linux (pulseaudio) + HT is pretty good, but disable HT and you've got 100ms latency 17:16 ImQ009 You completely ran out of arguments and keep repeating the same stuff 17:16 mauvebic i didn't even know my HP had HDaudio before trying win7 lol 17:17 ImQ009 We might end this conversation right now as well 17:17 [0gb_us] If anything, the bad luck is that I ever have to deal with Windows at all. 17:17 ImQ009 Seeing it doesn't lead anywhre 17:17 mauvebic i nearly shit myself starting up blockscape for the first time with the hd audio working 17:17 mauvebic dude, your obsessive hate for windows is more than just bad luck 17:18 [0gb_us] ImQ009: And you have made zero valid arguments, and only question my logic, never presenting any of your own. 17:18 mauvebic if it were just bad luck you wouldn't feel the need to comment on it at every turn 17:18 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Of course I did, you're just not understanding them 17:18 harrison windows is bad 17:18 [0gb_us] mauvebic: Exactly, not bad luck. 17:18 [0gb_us] Exactly. 17:19 mauvebic dunno if i already asked, but how old are you? 17:19 [0gb_us] Me? Twenty-three, though I don't see how that is relevant. 17:19 ImQ009 [0gb_us], I've worked with a lot of computers, all of them ran Windowses, they ran FINE, no lag, no problems 17:19 ImQ009 Is that kind of logic "invaid"? 17:20 mauvebic not saying this applies to you, but i often notice geeks who replace sexual frustration with religious devotion to one platform or another 17:20 [0gb_us] ImQ009: It doesn't lag if you have powerful hardware. Linux gets more done with less hardware. 17:21 mauvebic its one of the reason i avoided the profession lol 17:21 ImQ009 [0gb_us], The worst hardware I had is a Athlon XP, 17:21 ImQ009 it worked fine :P 17:21 [0gb_us] I'm asexual and agnostic, so I lack sexual and religious frustration. 17:21 ImQ009 an* sorry 17:21 mauvebic well in my experience 3/4s of asexuals just haven't picked a gender yet 17:22 * Calinou questions mauvebic and Jordach's sexuality 17:22 mauvebic question all you want, at least im getting some lol 17:22 [0gb_us] THat may be, but isn't the case for me. I found my gender, and I'm still asexual. 17:22 arsdragonfly|pho It seems like the argument is losing control 17:22 mauvebic just trying to find the underlying cause for the winhate 17:23 ImQ009 mauvebic, The win hate IS reasonable 17:23 mauvebic its hard to buy the redundant yet intensive arguments 17:23 ImQ009 However saying shit arguments is not 17:23 mauvebic it shouldn't be if your using an OS you're satisfied with 17:23 [0gb_us] I don't even WANT to be "getting some". The thought of having sex is not a pleasant one for me. That logic would be similar to telling me "At least I'm cutting myself". 17:23 arsdragonfly|pho Seriously there's no need to compare something you play with with something you work with 17:23 mauvebic well weather or not you want some, people do need to get off 17:24 mauvebic otherwise it manifests itself in all sorts of weird behaviours 17:24 [0gb_us] mauvebic: Normal people need to get off. The few of us that lack sexuality do not. 17:24 ImQ009 Erm, so now you've switched over to sexual orientation discussion? It's his thing whether he wants to hump or not :P 17:24 [0gb_us] I don't know how this ended up on sex .... 17:24 ImQ009 Apparantely he doesn't want, the world doesn't end on sex anyways 17:25 mauvebic no but these weird obsessions (like on win) is usually a symptom of something else 17:25 mauvebic if you own a honda and you love, what do you care if your neighbour drives a pontiac? 17:25 mauvebic *love it 17:25 ImQ009 As long as the arguments are reasonable I "accept" the hate on something :P 17:26 [0gb_us] I don't care what car people has, as it has no effect on me. But do you know what heard immunity is? 17:26 mauvebic hate leads to fanaticism lol 17:26 ImQ009 especially on Windows, I've seen plenty of people hating on it, I even dislike it a bit 17:26 ImQ009 but they were prooving some valid points 17:26 [0gb_us] *people have 17:26 mauvebic heard immunity = every generation has its elements of counter-culturals 17:27 mauvebic contrarians if you want 17:27 [0gb_us] Heard immunity is the effect that when most of a group resists a disease, even those who are not resistant have more protection from said ailment. 17:27 [0gb_us] Likewise, the reverse is true. 17:28 mauvebic meh, ive noticed drugs have the opposite effect on me than on most people 17:28 [0gb_us] When most are NOT resistant, it lowers the resistance of those that would normally resist. 17:28 mauvebic stimulants calm me down, sleeping pills don't work, etc. 17:28 [0gb_us] The same applies to malware. 17:29 [0gb_us] The more people are using WIndows, the less safe we all are. 17:29 mauvebic and dentists' frezing meds dont work either :( 17:29 ImQ009 mauvebic, ouch 17:29 mauvebic i still think it's an irrational fixation 17:30 ImQ009 so? it is his thing :P 17:30 mauvebic imq yeah after being shot 17 times i just told him to pull it and went to the nearest liquor store afterwards lol 17:30 [0gb_us] Not only that, but software support rests with the majority. So while most people chose to use the world's worst operating system, those of us that have more sense don't get software support, and have to use Windows at times. 17:30 Calinou how did I even start this discussion ö_ö 17:30 * Calinou breaks moreblocks again 17:30 [0gb_us] So other people using Windows DOES impact non-Windows users in several bad ways. 17:30 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Valve has done something about it 17:31 mauvebic people didn't chose the "worlds worst OS", it was just there. the same way if you want to socialnetwork you go with facebook and not some obscure network with a few thousand mostly inactive profiles 17:31 ImQ009 Anyway, why would software developers invest in developing software for a "few" users that are on something else than Windows? :P 17:31 ImQ009 Money is an important factor there as well 17:31 celeron55 so OS wars, huh? 17:32 mauvebic why would professional paid developers waste time with linux at all? god knows half the users will complete if you so much as chose the wrong license or use a single proprietary bit 17:32 [0gb_us] ImQ009: Exactly, which is why other people using WIndows impacts those of us that don't. 17:32 celeron55 i like Palm OS 3.3! 17:32 mauvebic *complain 17:32 [0gb_us] Palm OS 3.3 isn't Windows, so I like that as well. 17:32 ImQ009 [0gb_us], The process of "switch over" to different platforms has began already 17:32 mauvebic lol say that to ogb, no one can so much as mention win when he's around :p 17:32 ImQ009 It goes slowly but it will eventually go somewhere 17:33 mauvebic calinou i think it started when we were talking about boot times lol 17:33 celeron55 boot time doesn't even matter; what matters is suspend-to-ram time and reboot time :P 17:33 celeron55 ehm... 17:33 mauvebic people still suspend? lol 17:33 celeron55 reboot frequency* 17:33 mauvebic the time it takes to boot/reboot lol 17:34 mauvebic suspend seems kinda redundant 17:34 ImQ009 celeron55, Depends :D If it boots in 6 seconds then you don't even need to use STR 17:34 [0gb_us] ImQ009: I'm aware of the switchover.And I'm very grateful for that. Microsoft is aware too, and is doing all they can to slow it down. But it is inevitable. And they continue to slowly lose market share. But I'll probably be dead before the switch has progressed very far. 17:34 mauvebic especially if you have to keep a swap slightly bigger than your ram 17:34 celeron55 suspend is like a gift from heaven; all of your work and open programs are 100% left as-is and you can continue right where you left 17:34 celeron55 mauvebic: that's called suspend-to-disk 17:34 celeron55 or hibernate 17:34 mauvebic well even xfce saves your session on shutdown now? 17:35 celeron55 session saving basically sucks like hell 17:35 ImQ009 [0gb_us], Good stuff's happening either way. Windows is getting better and better trying to hold people (altho Metro UI was a shot in the foot) 17:35 celeron55 programs don't support it and you end up with eg. a desktop full of empty terminals 17:35 celeron55 not useful at all 17:36 [0gb_us] A lot of what Microsoft is doing to keep users isn't related to Windows improvement. 17:36 ImQ009 Depends on what you look at 17:36 mauvebic well when i reach the point of needing to reboot/suspend i usually have too much crap open all over the place anyhow lol 17:37 ImQ009 [0gb_us], It's mostly due to the fact Windows isn't as hyped as their other shit like Surface, Windows Phone 17:37 mauvebic thats where save session works against me if i forget to close everything before shutting down lol 17:37 Traxie21 celeron55, I wrote an auto-updater mod that works w/ current git + cURL + linux 17:37 ImQ009 So itm might look like that 17:38 mauvebic one thing i remember about old windows is installing litestep, was hella faster than explorer of the era lol 17:43 Calinou celeron55: suspend never works :P 17:43 Calinou on linux it's russian roulette 17:46 * ssieb has been using suspend for years with very few problems 17:47 * ssieb hasn't had a windows desktop in nearly 10 years :-P 17:47 * [0gb_us] suspends whenever he is too lazy to shut down, which is almost nightly 17:48 ssieb I suspend/resume many times a day because I transport my laptop between home and work and use it on the way 17:49 ssieb probably about 6 cycles per day :-) 17:52 celeron55 Calinou: on my laptop it works perfectly 17:52 celeron55 on my desktop... well, not at all 17:53 celeron55 on my work laptop it works fine too 17:53 celeron55 it's mostly a matter of using old enough all-intel hardware 17:53 celeron55 altough it worked fine on my old laptop that had nvidia 17:54 celeron55 8) 17:54 * arsdragonfly finshed his homework 17:54 arsdragonfly *finished 17:54 celeron55 ssieb: that kind of use seems to be hard to even imagine by the "by a desktop computer for gaming" people 17:54 arsdragonfly zzzzzz~~~ 17:55 celeron55 ssieb: as a laptop user... that's one of the most important things i want from a computer 17:55 celeron55 s/by a/buy a/ 17:55 ssieb indeed 17:58 [0gb_us] It works on my AMD laptop too. 18:01 Calinou suspend works fine with open source drivers but it's still russian roulette with blobs 18:01 Calinou official opensource ones :p 18:11 ungali_mobile does compiling without sound support give a measurable performance boost? 18:13 khonkhortisan LuaJIT gives a measurable performance boost 18:13 [0gb_us] That's not what he asked though. 18:14 khonkhortisan Without the ambience mod, I don't see sound slowing the game down. But it's probably measurable. 18:14 ungali_mobile thanks; is a fairly older machine, so I'll go without 18:30 celeron55 sound shouldn't really make any difference at all 18:31 celeron55 of course some, but it's dwarfed by everything else that MT does 18:34 ungali_mobile i think I'll have to compile without graphics, then. ;) 18:35 [0gb_us] Good idea. You should try that. 18:36 Zeg9 Bye all, going off for a week! 18:37 Traxie21 bai! 18:37 [0gb_us] Bye, have fun! 18:37 Traxie21 Oh yeah, im leaving too, on saturday 18:37 Traxie21 :3 18:37 Traxie21 cyas Zeg9! 18:37 Zeg9 See you! 19:05 Traxie21 Automatic updater now fetches files from GitHub as configured! 19:05 Traxie21 and saves config files to prevent loss of configuration options 19:11 rubenwardy The node box generator 0.1 is almost ready to be released! 19:12 Traxie21 ruben 19:12 Traxie21 I has something awesome >:D 19:12 sokomine hi rubenwardy 19:12 Traxie21 hi ruben/soko 19:12 Calinou hi 19:12 rubenwardy working on exporter and changing the selected node ui 19:12 Calinou Traxie21, does your automatic updater work with all mods, or just yours? is it easy to adapt? 19:12 Traxie21 Its easy to adapt 19:13 Calinou ah, ok 19:13 Traxie21 but it only runs on a system with curl in the path variable 19:13 Traxie21 It basically downloads updatelists.txt from wherever you specify, and uses the files in that to download the rest of the modpack 19:13 Traxie21 It puts all downloaded mods in its own modpack, because it has to be able to check them 19:14 Calinou ah 19:14 Traxie21 its actually pretty cool 19:16 Traxie21 ATM, I'm trying to make the update-checker work by re-running the update script 19:16 Traxie21 however, it dosn't approve, so it may require you to restart the server twice 19:17 Traxie21 I wish I could find a way for it to work without restarting iteslf, but whatever 19:18 Traxie21 Aaaand 19:18 Traxie21 now it's stuck in an auto-update loop, constantly updating itself XD 19:21 rubenwardy Traxie21: you could make it shut the server down, and then use a bash script to automatically restart it 19:21 rubenwardy os.quit() 19:21 Traxie21 Indeed I could 19:21 Traxie21 But, this is a mod 19:21 rubenwardy but that is not very good for a server 19:21 Traxie21 no bash scripts allowed :P 19:21 rubenwardy meh 19:21 Traxie21 However, after the updater is run, only one restart is needed 19:22 Traxie21 just fixed it 19:30 rubenwardy byew 19:31 rubenwardy *bye all 19:31 rubenwardy sapier: The node box generator 0.1 is almost ready to be released! 19:31 rubenwardy 0.1 is still alpha 19:32 sapier lol :-) 19:32 sapier tooo late I already use meshes 19:34 jordan4ibanez how is the wield image set for nodeboxes? 19:35 jordan4ibanez like I mean, is there a way to hack nodeboxes into the item definition for the hand 19:35 jojoa1997|Tablet rubenwardy i would like to see this generator 19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet should i name the armor for example 19:41 jojoa1997|Tablet "Gold Helmet" or "Golden Helmet" 19:42 Traxie21 Alrighty, Update system 1.0 is ready! 19:42 Traxie21 *0.1 19:42 VanessaE hi all 19:42 Traxie21 Hia VanessaE! 19:42 Traxie21 I am about to release something awesome 19:42 jojoa1997|Tablet "Gold Helmet" or "Golden Helmet" 19:42 jojoa1997|Tablet which sounds better 19:43 sapier update system? 19:43 Issa /join #irlicht 19:43 Issa oups 19:43 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, golden 19:43 Issa sorry :) 19:43 Jordach VanessaE, sup 19:43 PilzAdam hey VanessaE 19:43 VanessaE hey 19:44 bas080 My compliments for PilzAdam and aiding noobly. I'm sure you made his day! 19:44 VanessaE Jordach: as long as you have money to toss around, I take donations and anniversary gifts :-) 19:44 Traxie21 VanessaE, do you have cURL installed? 19:44 Jordach VanessaE, i plan on keeping it as a is shit fucks up fund 19:44 PilzAdam bas080, wut? 19:44 Traxie21 on your computer/server 19:45 bas080 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5664 19:45 khonkhortisan Thanks for the help PilzAdam 19:45 VanessaE Traxie21: yes, but I don't use it in Minetest 19:45 Traxie21 Good 19:45 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, wut? 19:46 khonkhortisan You're telling me what I did wrong with vertical particles(pawners) 19:46 Traxie21 Fack, starts mod topic, cant decide what to write... 19:46 Calinou jojoa1997|Tablet, golden helmet 19:46 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, ah 19:46 Calinou or just "butter helmet" if you don't want to do things the minecraft way 19:47 Calinou VanessaE, curl lets you have a public server list and that's awesome :P 19:47 PilzAdam VanessaE, I want you to create this for your server: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5722 19:47 PilzAdam :-p 19:48 khonkhortisan It should be possible to make a mod (if it's loaded last) to make that 19:48 VanessaE PilzAdam: holy moses in a basket 19:48 * PilzAdam was a bit bored 19:49 khonkhortisan default:sign_wall and fence_wood don't have to have overlapping lines 19:50 VanessaE bbrb 19:50 VanessaE brb 19:52 iqualfragile PilzAdam: can i get the dia file? 19:53 PilzAdam sure: http://ompldr.org/vaTc5eg/Craft_no_tools.dia 19:53 PilzAdam Im working on it currently 19:53 PilzAdam adding some other mods from common 19:54 iqualfragile ok 19:55 Traxie21 HALP 19:55 Traxie21 I need words so I can write them 19:56 bas080 Just use apple autocomplete 19:56 bas080 See where it takes you 19:56 Traxie21 >_> 19:56 Traxie21 duck you 19:56 iqualfragile PilzAdam: i would recomment exporting the image as svg so you do not need to squeeze it into a rechteck 19:57 Calinou +1 for SVG 19:57 bas080 scale that svg. Kaboom! 19:57 PilzAdam yea, will do 19:57 Calinou kaboom? no, insta-medieval 20:01 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE ping 20:02 VanessaE pong 20:03 Jordach Calinou, insta medieval duel 20:05 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam your name means mushroom adam? 20:05 iqualfragile yes it does 20:06 jordan4ibanez How silly 20:06 jin_xi trippy 20:06 jordan4ibanez Google translater has trouble speaking http://translate.google.com/#fr/en/VanessaE 20:06 TheLastProject http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=515#comic :P 20:07 Calinou Jordach, lol, that always finishes in "epic fail" 20:07 Calinou when both people die at same time :P 20:07 Jordach Calinou, always funny 20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet Kaeza 20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet with firearms make little smoke come out of the gun 20:09 Calinou that mod hasn't been updated in a while 20:09 Calinou but with client side particles, you can do that, yeah 20:12 pilzjordan oh gosh 20:13 * pilzjordan slowly realizes pilzadam doesn't want people to call him mushroom 20:14 jojoa1997|Tablet does anyone get a bug where something does not show in their inventory even if it doesnt have a not in creative group? 20:14 bas080 pilzjordan, how warm is it over there? 20:14 jojoa1997|Tablet MushroomAdam 20:14 Calinou "pilz" sounds like "pills" 20:14 Calinou chill, pilz 20:14 Calinou 8D 20:14 pilzjordan warm enough........... 20:14 pilzjordan for me to be a............ 20:14 pilzjordan FUNGI OHOHOHOHOHO 20:14 Calinou sounds like a reddit user making jokes 20:15 khonkhortisan Pilz prefers being called Adam. 20:15 PilzAdam lol 20:16 jojoa1997|Tablet Tradie weilditem is working 20:16 jojoa1997|Tablet MUSHROOM ping 20:16 Calinou "tradie", hello tablet user 20:17 * jojoa1997|Tablet hides 20:17 khonkhortisan Is webchat still quieted? 20:17 jojoa1997|Tablet ? 20:17 pilzjordan4ibapi This should minetest.net's comic http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=44#comic 20:18 khonkhortisan Someone spammed, then It was banned, then quieted instead. 20:18 Calinou jojoa1997|Tablet, heym I use qwerty on qn azerty keyboqrdm I4; qzeso;em seeM .D 20:18 Calinou ^ how typing on a smartphone feels 20:19 Traxie21 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86116#p86116 20:19 jojoa1997|Tablet can i do 20:20 jojoa1997|Tablet ^[combine^[RTransfrom 20:20 pilzjordan4ibapi sfan5|OFF I fixed your code http://goo.gl/qvEjf 20:21 Telek VanessaE: Belatedly: Happy anniversary. 20:22 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i do the rotate an image 20:22 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Disable fall bobbing by default; enable using fall_bobbing_amount = 1.0 36747794ab 2013-04-23T13:19:36-07:00 http://git.io/Mow4Zg 20:22 jojoa1997|Tablet NO 20:22 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i do the rotate an image 20:23 Traxie21 Updater finished: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86116#p86116 20:25 Calinou celeron55, why? 20:25 Calinou view bobbing is on by default 20:25 Calinou this makes zero sense, really 20:26 Calinou the lack of fall bobbing removes a lot of feel to the game 20:26 VanessaE Telek: thanks :) 20:26 pilzjordan4ibapi He's right you know 20:27 Calinou Traxie21, quick idea: if there is a file named "no_update.txt" in the mod directory, never update. 20:27 pilzjordan4ibapi at first it was weird, but then I got used to it, kind of like using a linux computer for anything 20:27 Calinou would be cool to prevent mod updates quickly 20:27 Traxie21 Calinou, you can already disable auto-updating, but I will consider that 20:27 VanessaE celeron55: noooo, turn that back on by default 20:27 Calinou +1 20:28 Calinou there are games where you can't even disable it (I look at you, openarena), really, we're far from that 20:29 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i do the rotate an image with ^[RTransform? 20:30 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone? 20:30 khonkhortisan ^[transformR90 20:30 Traxie21 erm, no idea 20:30 pilzjordan4ibapi Can you have multiple textures on an item? 20:30 jojoa1997|Tablet yes 20:30 khonkhortisan Yes, you can overlap many many textures 20:30 pilzjordan4ibapi I meant like a nodebox 20:30 jojoa1997|Tablet is this possible 20:30 khonkhortisan I go as much as four 20:30 Telek Okay, finally got through the backscroll :D 20:31 PilzAdam iqualfragile, svg is unreadable in the forum topic 20:31 khonkhortisan background.png^layer1.png^layer2.png^top.png 20:31 * Telek thinks his brain is fried now however :D 20:31 PilzAdam or, well, the png was unreadable too 20:31 jojoa1997|Tablet texture = texture.."^[transformR180^[combine:64x64:0,0="..weilded_item_texture 20:31 Telek Oh, how are those new 'log' pieces done BTW? 20:31 Telek Are they voxel arrays, meshes, or something else? 20:31 Traxie21 Calinou: I'm adding a variabled called never_update to version.txt 20:32 Calinou both ways work, but no_update.txt would be faster 20:32 Calinou GUI: create a file named no_update.txt 20:33 khonkhortisan > touch no_update.txt 20:33 Calinou CLI: echo "anything" > no_update.txt in mod dir 20:33 Calinou or what khonkhortisan said 20:33 iqualfragile PilzAdam: i think its allright, you couldnt ready it anyways and if you open it in a new tab you can just zoom 20:33 Telek Maybe 'tree trunk' is a better term. 20:38 jojoa1997|Tablet is there something for rotating 20:38 Calinou screwdriver 20:39 jojoa1997|Tablet no i mean images like ^[transformR90 20:40 Traxie21 Calinou: Added never_update var 20:41 Traxie21 brb 20:43 jojoa1997|Tablet Who made the sprinting code last night? 20:44 Calinou wb 20:45 Traxie21 ty 20:47 jojoa1997|Tablet is it possible to have the players head bob being defined in a mod 20:55 Traxie21 not afaik jojoa 20:56 Calinou nope 20:56 Calinou what do you mean by that, too? 20:57 PilzAdam bye 20:57 khonkhortisan Would that be the mod directly bobbing the head, or telling the client how to do it? 20:58 Traxie21 Cyas later! 20:58 Traxie21 I'm off for a month or so :3 20:59 harrison head bob being defined in a mob 20:59 harrison lyrical genius 20:59 harrison top 40 het gteed 20:59 Traxie21 Traxie21 over, and out! 20:59 harrison top 40 hst g'teed 20:59 harrison HIT 20:59 Traxie21 what the duck harrison? 21:00 harrison is it possible to have the players head bob being defined in a mod 21:00 harrison thought phrase was brilliant as lyric 21:00 khonkhortisan The lyrics for head bob being defined in a mob is a guaranteed top 40 hit. 21:01 harrison head bob defined in a mod / ost my job on the minetest squad 21:01 harrison lost 21:02 khonkhortisan I hear that in the rhythm of the ninja turtles theme song - I don't even watch that show 21:03 harrison in the unemployment line i will plod / ub-40 and a welfare fraud 21:07 khonkhortisan What should I do if someone tries to create a particlespawner without specifying a texture? 21:07 Exio stab the one who tried :D 21:07 khonkhortisan I'm not sure whether it should give an error, generate a texture, or use unknown_something 21:08 khonkhortisan eh, I'll just generate. That's what nodes do. 21:09 celeron55 who cares as long as it doesn't crash 8) 21:11 Exio haha 21:11 Exio i saw blur 21:12 Exio and through someone had implemented it 21:12 khonkhortisan it probably would've, I'm just now initializing what the table is supposed to provide 21:13 khonkhortisan v3f pos, vel, acc; 21:13 khonkhortisan pos= vel= acc= v3f(0, 0, 0); 21:13 Exio v32 pos = vel = acc = v3f(0, 0, 0); doesn't work? 21:13 * jojoa1997|Tablet is back with dessert! Napolion Ice Cream!!! 21:14 khonkhortisan v32 vel, acc; v32 pos = vel = acc = v3f(0, 0, 0); works 21:14 jojoa1997|Tablet do not scope icecream and then place the scooper to your tounge 21:14 khonkhortisan metal? 21:15 khonkhortisan The first "=" stops variable creation, and changes it to initialization 21:15 Exio er 21:15 khonkhortisan v3f pos = v3f(0, 0, 0), vel = v3f(0, 0, 0), acc = v3f(0, 0, 0); also works 21:15 Exio sorry :P 21:16 khonkhortisan It's the kind of thing where it doesn't work like you expect it to, like if (a < b < c) 21:18 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah metal 21:19 khonkhortisan I'll just ignore any extra keys in the table 21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet celeron55 will mappable keys for any key be in the near future 21:20 khonkhortisan not that kind of key :) 21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet i know but i still want that 21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet if i just define a nodebox does the selection box equal the same thing 21:49 khonkhortisan I expected it to crash on minetest.add_particlespawner({pos=true}) 22:05 VanessaE zzz 22:14 Traxie21 ZzZ 22:17 Kacey are we going to add rubies and what not to default? 22:18 ShadowNinja Kacey: Have you debuged pong? 22:19 Kacey no i have been busy today 22:20 Kacey maybe tomorrow 22:32 Kacey bbl maybe 23:03 Deivan I saw "camera.cpp" in the last git update... :-o 23:04 Deivan I need a camera to my secondary project video monitor. :D 23:05 kaeza greetings 23:05 Deivan Hello. :) 23:05 kaeza hey Deivan 23:05 ShadowNinja Hello kaeza! 23:05 kaeza sup Shadow 23:05 Deivan :) 23:06 kaeza I'm having a small issue... 23:06 ShadowNinja The sky ;-), and changing technics config system 23:06 Deivan I am working in a kart mod... But the developing is going to slow... :-/ 23:07 Deivan RL is killing me. 23:07 Deivan :-o 23:08 kaeza I'm trying to make a 'get_pointd_thing' function that will work for longer ranges than the player is able to dig 23:08 Deivan :-o 23:08 kaeza anyone knows exacly what is the height of the "eyes" of the player? 23:09 ShadowNinja Check camera.cpp, 1.8 or 1.5 iirc 23:09 kaeza hmm 23:10 kaeza 1.5 seems to be a bit high, but precise enough 23:10 Deivan get_look_pitch()? 23:10 Deivan Maybe 23:11 kaeza and actually run fast! 23:11 kaeza runs* 23:12 kaeza measured with os.clock(), it takes less than a microsecond to "cast" a ray to a max range of 20 nodes 23:12 ShadowNinja how about 100? 23:12 kaeza heck, even less than a nanosecond :) 23:13 khonkhortisan kaeza, 1.5 + 2/16 EXACTLY 23:13 khonkhortisan unless there is a node above your head, then it's 1.5 23:13 ShadowNinja 1000, 10000, 100000? 23:13 kaeza ah thanks khonkhortisan, I was trying to look that up 23:14 ShadowNinja 66000 = whole map, is that fast? 23:14 jojoa1997|Tablet whty the change with the node 23:14 kaeza ShadowNinja, lemme test, but very high ranges are impossible to test; the ray would reach an unloaded block before 23:14 ShadowNinja hmmm 23:15 ShadowNinja set the unload timeout to an hour or so for testing 23:15 khonkhortisan kaeza, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/player.h#L122 23:16 khonkhortisan BS multiplies it by ten, but ignore that. 23:16 kaeza thanks khonkhortisan 23:17 kaeza ShadowNinja, 10ms for a 100 node range 23:17 kaeza (hit ignore) 23:18 kaeza now I need to test with lots of entities 23:18 ShadowNinja hmm, not bad, what are you thinking of doing with this? 23:18 Exio kaeza: in C++? 23:18 kaeza Exio, Lua 23:18 TheBonsai ShadowNinja: lightsaber :))) 23:18 sokomine anyone willing to test my modified replacer? 23:19 kaeza ShadowNinja, remove entities from firearms 23:19 sokomine it can be found unter http://github.com/Sokomine/replacer 23:19 kaeza (i.e. simulate high velocity bullets) 23:19 ShadowNinja Ah, neat 23:20 sokomine i'd like to know how useful it now is for handling of nodes. especially regarding stairsplus ones. param1 and param2 are now stored, so you can rotate one stair in the right direction, sneak+right click on that, and then change all nodes you want to that type and rotation 23:33 sokomine does anyone know of a simple place to store a small image? can't acces zimg.eu right now 23:33 VanessaE ompldr 23:34 NakedFury imgur 23:38 sokomine thanks. i tried ompldr 23:38 sokomine hm. does not seem to work? 23:40 sokomine ok. works now 23:40 drizz what would make /rollback fail? 23:45 jojoa1997|Tablet MiniTest 1.4.1 "Small Fixes" will be released soon 23:47 sokomine i don't know how rollback really works 23:47 sokomine anyone in a mood to test my modified replacer? 23:48 sokomine i think it will be a great help with realbadangels new 6d facedir nodes... 23:48 sokomine (or is nobody but me using slabs and panels?) 23:52 kaeza ShadowNinja, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_961452467.jpg 23:52 mauvebic i forgot i even filed this: http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/6181 , 14 months later and no fix lol 23:54 mauvebic im afraid to ugprade VLC and find more broken stuff lol 23:57 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86151#p86151