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00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet YES!!!!
00:00 VanessaE kaeza: byte your tongue :)
00:00 kaeza VanessaE, FCK YEAH!
00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet vanessae
00:00 kaeza wait.. not that statement
00:00 VanessaE FCK?  this is not a kindergarten.  the word is "FUCK". :-)
00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet hunger means regenerating heakth
00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet FK YEAH
00:00 Uberi aw yiss
00:00 kaeza VanessaE, the original meme is "F*CK YEA"
00:00 kaeza +actually
00:00 * jojoa1997|Tablet havent been to pre school
00:00 VanessaE oh that one
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet add the hoe and cotten now also
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet would yo do that?
00:01 VanessaE http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/987/fyeah.jpg
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam ^
00:01 VanessaE cotton*
00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet i use up arrow
00:01 kaeza cetten*
00:01 PilzAdam so, I add this papyrus and cactus growing now?
00:02 VanessaE PilzAdam: sure, go for it.
00:02 jojoa1997|Tablet and hoe and cotton
00:02 kaeza yep
00:02 jojoa1997|Tablet I WANT WOOL
00:02 Uberi we all do, jojoa1997|Tablet, we all do
00:02 * jojoa1997|Tablet hacks into github and adds hoe and cotton
00:03 VanessaE cotton should come from flowers mod :-)
00:03 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, MOBF+Shears and stfu
00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet no
00:03 kaeza ...or flowers :)
00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet dye comes from flowers
00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam
00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet would you cosider adding plants_lib into minetet_game
00:03 VanessaE no
00:04 VanessaE do not add plants_liv
00:04 VanessaE _lib
00:04 VanessaE there are future plans for this to be implemented in C++
00:04 jojoa1997|Tablet and also cotton farm are where cotton is gotton
00:04 VanessaE if I understand hmmmm correctly.
00:04 kaeza VanessaE, that would be grrrreat
00:04 jojoa1997|Tablet NO
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00:04 jojoa1997|Tablet unless the format wont chamge
00:04 kaeza no offense, but lua sucks at modifying large amounts of nodes
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00:05 jojoa1997|Tablet maybe entities spawning could be supported
00:05 Uberi kaeza: I know, but the voxelmanipulator interface is a ways off
00:05 jojoa1997|Tablet and building spawning
00:06 Uberi otherwise WorldEdit would be using it in a heartbeat
00:06 * jojoa1997|Tablet BBBBBBBOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM :-)
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00:09 jojoa1997|Tablet will anyone add a craft guide to minetest
00:09 VanessaE Unified Inventory has that covered, imho
00:09 jojoa1997|Tablet and not a mod or d inventory
00:09 jojoa1997|Tablet unified inven
00:09 STHGOM Hasn't someone already have dome that
00:10 * Uberi wants extension support so bad in unifiedinventory
00:10 kaeza ^this
00:11 VanessaE RealBadAngel: you listenin'? :-)
00:11 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngle Mod support is NEEDED!!!!!!!
00:11 jojoa1997|Tablet wtf? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5159
00:12 jojoa1997|Tablet one crazy mod
00:12 Uberi oh snap
00:12 Uberi I NEED THIS
00:13 Uberi btw what is turquoise sand?
00:13 STHGOM That looks cool
00:13 STHGOM Fjdj
00:13 STHGOM Shrug
00:14 RealBadAngel wait wait
00:14 RealBadAngel whats the problem?
00:14 STHGOM It would make a nice tower
00:14 Uberi no problem, but would like mod support in unifiedinv ")
00:15 RealBadAngel mod support? or api for UI?
00:15 VanessaE RealBadAngel: there has been a pretty big demand for API/new pages support in UI
00:15 Uberi the latter, yes
00:15 VanessaE so that it can replace e.g. inventory plus and the like
00:15 RealBadAngel ah, API is in development
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00:15 Uberi awesome
00:15 RealBadAngel you have propably noticed that UI itself has changed a lot
00:15 STHGOM lol, auto correct
00:15 Uberi is there a GH branch where patches can be sent?
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00:16 RealBadAngel all mods that will want to use UI API will be given icon on a hotbar
00:17 RealBadAngel point is i have to make it scalable
00:17 Uberi ooh, an icon
00:17 mauvebic better off making a smartphone-esque launch screen for all the icons youll need lol
00:18 mauvebic or make the inv+hotbar expandable/retractable
00:18 jojoa1997|Tablet no
00:18 jojoa1997|Tablet make a new page for mods
00:18 mauvebic lol wasnt asking you
00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet so people dont have to wait for you to add them
00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet the whole point is to support them not add them
00:19 Uberi I'm off to get something to eat
00:20 Exio what's up?
00:20 kaeza cool. IRC has gotten so real you have to disconnect to get something to eat
00:21 STHGOM Hahaha
00:21 kaeza Exio, scroll up :P
00:22 Exio yo no hablar espaniol
00:22 Exio >:D
00:22 RealBadAngel lol, mod wont never support other mods. its about to others use them
00:23 RealBadAngel *it
00:24 RealBadAngel seems like jojoa doesnt understand meanin of API
00:24 kaeza RealBadAngel, the scalability of the UI is an issue indeed
00:24 kaeza maybe you can do something like ui.add_page(formspec, w, h) or even parse formspec for a size[] element
00:25 RealBadAngel but whatever i will do with UI worldedit, armor or whatever wont automagically appear in it
00:25 RealBadAngel those mods creators or maintainers have to write code using UI's API
00:26 * Menche is waiting for paramat's meru mod to generate
00:26 kaeza you just take care of the api; I will (prolly) add junger/etc bars from survival_modpack
00:26 kaeza hunger*
00:27 RealBadAngel it will look like unified_inventory.register_page(name, icon_image, callback_handler, formspec_handler)
00:28 RealBadAngel callback will have to take care of own buttons etc, formspec will have to prepare own formspec contenst in a string
00:31 Exio kaeza: hehe
00:34 PilzAdam new win build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
00:35 Kacey again?
00:35 PilzAdam why not?
00:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: what, no luajit? ;)
00:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, what, no pull request for luajit?
00:36 kaeza I see rule 34 posts coming... http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76714#p76714
00:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: a pull request would be beyond my skills, but:
00:36 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76627#p76627
00:36 VanessaE this is easy enough to do, at least for linux.
00:37 PilzAdam 10 steps!?!
00:37 PilzAdam *grumbles while leaving*
00:37 PilzAdam bye
00:37 Menche i link it with the version of luajit from my package manager
00:38 Menche modify src/CMakeLists.txt and the troublesome line in serialize.lua
00:38 Menche and that's it
00:38 kaeza fucking spam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76713#p76713
00:39 Menche lol
00:39 Menche "thank all our customers" they have customers who use PilzAdam's builds?
00:39 Exio xD
00:39 Exio VanessaE: work for you ^
00:40 kaeza lol
00:40 VanessaE HAH!
00:40 VanessaE I got pilz to ragequit? :D
00:41 kaeza ZING
00:41 * kaeza does not trust new users
00:41 VanessaE Menche: the proper way of course is to modify the build system to detect where luajit is, or build and link against a static copy if not found, and that's beyond my skills
00:42 VanessaE so I chose the improper way for my own builds :D
00:43 kaeza VanessaE, it's easy, but I ain't touchin' minetest in any way
00:44 VanessaE chickenshit :D
00:44 kaeza I reserve my wonderful commits for my awesome local game >:D
00:44 VanessaE heh
00:44 Menche i do it by modifying the build system, but in a hacky and very non-portable way
00:44 kaeza actually, I only did a stupid fix
00:45 Exio well
00:45 VanessaE don't berate yourself, you did all kinds of good work on homedecor
00:45 kaeza maybe some of you would like it: showing the selection box only if debug mode is enabled
00:46 Exio in the "git" repository here, i haz local commits for 'hacks' in the light stuff for making nodes brigther (everything hardcoded, ofc), the random-mapgen stuff
00:46 VanessaE I should try to condense my instructions ^^^ into a bit of script code I can plug into my update-minetestserver.sh script
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00:46 WiredOnLinux clear
00:46 WiredOnLinux lol
00:46 WiredOnLinux dammit
00:46 VanessaE opaque
00:46 WiredOnLinux hahaha
00:47 sokomine great...now one of my lumberjack houses spawned on top of a normal trader house. and the trader stands on the roof of that one :-)
00:47 kaeza WiredOnLinux, Puppy Linux user?
00:47 WiredOnLinux yes
00:47 kaeza YAY
00:47 WiredOnLinux Hell Yes
00:47 VanessaE sokomine: how???
00:47 WiredOnLinux kaeza you?
00:47 VanessaE WiredOnLinux: Xubuntu here.  puppy indeed. :)
00:47 kaeza previously used LuPu 525
00:48 Exio slitaz > puppy
00:48 WiredOnLinux I am LuPu 5.2.8
00:48 kaeza Puppy is a lean and mean distro
00:48 WiredOnLinux I like Slitaz Too
00:48 kaeza and also an awesome security phail
00:48 WiredOnLinux Puppy Linux blows Slitaz out of the water
00:48 WiredOnLinux I have a custom version of puppy linux
00:49 WiredOnLinux its 4.1.1, with the 5.2.8 package manager
00:49 sokomine vanessa: well...the roof of such a "normal" trader house from sapiers mod *looks* like ground one could build on......
00:49 VanessaE ahhhh
00:49 kaeza I wish they added multiuser support
00:49 sokomine it is very unlikely to happen but not impossible :-)
00:49 kaeza being always root is not good for you
00:49 Exio the only distro what have booted in 8 seconds by default with x11 + stuff
00:49 Exio in my netbook, is and was slitaz
00:49 Exio (2 seconds the login)
00:50 kaeza Exio, 5 seconds with a Celeron @333 MHz
00:50 kaeza 160MB of RAM
00:50 Exio i said by default :P
00:51 WiredOnLinux look at PupNGo Exio
00:51 WiredOnLinux it will blow slitaz away
00:51 WiredOnLinux its 33 MB
00:51 WiredOnLinux fully usable Puppy Linux Operating System
00:52 kaeza WiredOnLinux, have they fixed compat with i965 cards?
00:52 kaeza my comp can't run puppy because of that :(
00:53 Exio that too, my gpu works perfectly with slitaz :P
00:53 Exio (gpu in the netbook, intel)
00:53 kaeza ogl in sw mode == shit
00:53 Exio install the drivers/stuff
00:53 Exio i had slitaz installed for some months, it was really very stable, fast
00:54 Exio and has a good hardware support
00:54 kaeza Exio, been looking forever for a driver for my card, and installed like 20 different packages
00:54 Exio with sudo, bash, firefox, libreoffice, and so on, a full working system..
00:54 kaeza and no support :(
00:54 kaeza 5.2.8 may have changed that
00:54 sokomine and clay traders popped up as well. they want to sell the clay from the trader's hut :-)
00:54 Exio kaeza: there was some "bugs" (at least with my gma) for some mesa - x11 - so on drivers
00:55 Exio very very poor performance
00:55 Exio (yes, even worse than 'normally'), random crashes
00:55 kaeza all the drivers I tried freeze when starting X
00:56 Exio the drivers crashing without any real reason, and so
00:56 kaeza I'm stuck with the generic vesa
00:57 WiredOnLinux 5.2.8 does
00:57 WiredOnLinux its the only version that works with my card
00:57 Exio i'm stuck atm with the nvidia closed driver :P
00:58 WiredOnLinux Puppy Supports nvidia :P
00:58 Exio it is because peformance
00:58 WiredOnLinux Slitaz does not
00:58 Exio i have a low end (and old) nvidia gpu (rebranded)
00:58 Exio WiredOnLinux: does it include the closed drivers by default?
00:58 Exio or wth are you saying?
00:58 sokomine does anyone have experience with the intel hd4000 and similar? i'd like to know how mt performes on a celeron 555 and on an i3 with hd4000
00:59 WiredOnLinux it works so so
00:59 Exio WiredOnLinux: it is not "working or not", i mean working with the closed drivers
00:59 Exio iwork will work
00:59 Exio it will work*
01:00 Exio wtf i'm writing
01:00 WiredOnLinux yes Exio
01:00 Kacey back
01:00 Exio wtf? closed drivers by default?
01:01 Exio they are like 50 mb iirc
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01:03 Exio WiredOnLinux: http://doc.slitaz.org/en:guides:xorg-xvesa
01:03 Exio To set-up the non-free nVidia drivers, use the SliTaz Hardware Configuration tool with the –non-free switch:
01:03 Exio # tazhw setup nvidia --non-free
01:04 Exio the hard way to install the closed source drivers
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01:06 WiredOnLinux i have to go
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01:08 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngle
01:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Agnel
01:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Angel
01:09 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel ping
01:09 Exio hey jojoa1997|Tablet
01:09 mauvebic lol RealBadAngle ?
01:09 Exio do you need help with the spanish hw?
01:09 Exio yes amuevcib
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet no
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet no
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet i cant decide
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet it s done ;)
01:10 Exio i'd say no, to the flood at least :)
01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet impersonation
01:12 mauvebic ugh, waiting on DS9 to spawn now
01:12 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel what i mean for mod support is people add there mods like inventory_plus ddidd
01:12 Exio do it other time jojoa1997|Tablet
01:12 jojoa1997|Tablet do what
01:12 Exio /nick Exio_
01:13 Exio XD
01:13 Exio kaeza|troll*
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01:14 troll hi
01:14 kaeza lol
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01:14 jojoa1997 why i leave
01:15 kaeza lol
01:15 Kacey huh
01:15 Exio jojoa1997: i killed your client (it should have said a message like "you have been ghosted/killed by Exio!exio4@trekweb/user/nax" or so
01:15 jojoa1997 how
01:16 Exio /ns ghost
01:16 jojoa1997 what it using an already identified name
01:16 Exio you've used "Exio_" what is a nickname what i has registered
01:16 Exio s/has/haz/
01:16 kaeza hmm
01:16 jojoa1997 how do i register a nick
01:16 Kacey hang on
01:16 Menche /msg NickServ help
01:16 Kacey Syntax: GHOST <target> [password]
01:17 jojoa1997 also i am using a browser
01:17 Exio [22:17:10]     freenode -- [jojoa1997] is logged in as jojoa1997
01:17 kaeza nickname 'diego' already registered
01:17 Exio you already have an account in freenode, and you are logged in it
01:17 jojoa1997 with bad connectivi.........
01:17 Exio kaeza: other use i know wanted it too :P
01:17 VanessaE there, now my minetest server/client build script can patch in luajit and make that one change to serialize.lua automatically. :-)
01:17 kaeza wot
01:18 jojoa1997 or you could do /ns help
01:18 Exio (when diego [account] was only 4 weeks or so)
01:18 kaeza Exio, your name is Diego? XD
01:18 Exio other user*
01:18 Exio nope, /whois Exio
01:18 Kacey hmmmmmmmm....
01:19 Exio Kacey: if you want my password, you need to ask for hints
01:19 * Kacey will hack the password
01:19 Exio i will help you, is generated from data of /dev/urandom
01:19 * kaeza will hack Kacey
01:19 kaeza ...into pieces XD
01:19 Exio the password was generated*
01:19 Menche and you remember that how?
01:19 jojoa1997|Tablet guys i cant beleieve what this person said
01:19 Exio what person?
01:20 Exio Menche: what?
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01:20 kaeza wut
01:20 jojoa1997|Tablet oops
01:21 Menche you can't "beleieve" what what person said?
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01:26 kaeza VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76713#p76713
01:27 VanessaE sorted.
01:27 kaeza thx :)
01:27 Menche "Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated." ?
01:28 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76724#p76724
01:28 VanessaE if anyone wants.
01:28 VanessaE :)
01:28 kaeza just saw that. I think I'll follow the steps and compile from sources
01:28 kaeza (btw, 32 bits here)
01:29 kaeza I gotta try this jit stuff
01:29 VanessaE I'd make a 32-bit build if I knew how :-)
01:29 Menche add "-m32" to the CFLAGS
01:29 Menche i think
01:30 Menche and maybe "-march=i686" ?
01:30 VanessaE found it.
01:30 VanessaE http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/Cross-Compiling_Under_Linux
01:30 VanessaE this seems to explain ti
01:30 VanessaE it*
01:30 Exio it? italian? >:D
01:30 VanessaE -m32 seems to be enough
01:33 VanessaE I'll experiment later with it.
01:35 VanessaE hm, no that isn't enough either as CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS.  must be a cmake thing.
01:35 Menche it's CMAKE_C_FLAGS
01:36 Menche and CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS
01:36 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#vurxgetn totally me
01:37 VanessaE Menche: nope, that isn't enough
01:37 VanessaE make clean && rm CMakeCache.txt && CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="-m32" CMAKE_C_FLAGS="-m32" cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 && make -j12  <-- still wants to use 64-bit libs.
01:37 Menche try -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="-m32"
01:37 Menche as an option to cmake
01:38 Menche and -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS="-m32" of course
01:38 VanessaE haha, that makes it go nutz :-)
01:39 VanessaE eh, screw it.  32 bit is obsolete anyway :)
01:39 VanessaE someone else can compile it for i686.
01:39 Exio -j12?
01:39 Exio what?
01:39 Exio VanessaE: what cpu do you have?
01:40 VanessaE Exio: number of threads to use during build.  I have a Phenom II X6 1055T.
01:40 VanessaE 6 cores, so 12 threads.
01:40 Exio ehm
01:40 VanessaE (12 gcc threads I mean)
01:40 VanessaE I've been doing it this way for quite a while now :-)
01:40 Exio have you done 'benchmarks' with it?
01:41 VanessaE nope.
01:41 Menche i though gcc flags was supposed to be # of cores + 1
01:41 Exio can you throw a time make -j6 (and -j7)
01:41 VanessaE Menche: I learned #cores * 2.
01:41 Menche i learned #cores + 1
01:42 Exio Menche: the -jc+1 is better in low-ram systems, when you have more ram, that 'thread' can lead in a "bit slower" compiling
01:42 Menche my processor has 4 threads; i typically use -j5
01:42 Exio i use -j7 here and -j3 in the netbook(intel atom+ht)
01:42 Menche maybe i'll check it
01:42 Menche "time make -j#"
01:42 Exio VanessaE: can you try with time? i wonder what results you get with -j12
01:43 VanessaE sure.
01:43 * Menche goes off to benchmark his build
01:44 Exio Menche: what cpu, btw?
01:44 Menche core i5
01:44 Exio ah, k
01:45 Menche model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU       M 450  @ 2.40GHz
01:45 Exio model name      : AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor
01:45 VanessaE working now..
01:45 Menche there's 4 of those entries
01:45 Menche 2 cores w/ 2 threads each
01:46 VanessaE make clean && time make -j7
01:46 VanessaE real: 1m11.100s, user: 5m41.865s, sys: 0m17.981s
01:46 VanessaE make clean && time make -j12
01:46 VanessaE real: 1m12.613s, user: 5m53.398s, sys: 0m17.833s
01:46 Exio ok
01:46 Exio nearly the same
01:46 VanessaE slightly slower with -j12, guess I should stick to -j7 then :-)
01:47 Exio real    1m21.826s
01:47 Exio with -j6 here
01:47 Exio -j7 is 1 minute + {2..5} seconds
01:47 Menche real2m58.895s user10m48.123s sys0m24.703s
01:47 Menche with -j5
01:48 Exio in any case
01:48 Exio 30 minutes with -j3 in a netbook
01:48 VanessaE good to know.  I wonder when that #cores * 2 rule changes?
01:48 VanessaE changed*
01:48 Exio i'd say the -j#c+1 is since... years ago
01:48 Exio at least in gentoo docs
01:49 mauvebic positronic or duotronic?
01:49 VanessaE well that'll save a few seconds on each build in the future :-)
01:50 Menche and putting "-pipe" in the CFLAGS is supposed to speed it up too
01:50 VanessaE I doubt it would in my case, all 6 cores are completely maxed out even during -j7
01:53 Menche my build was *slightly* faster with -j5 than with -j4
01:53 Menche that small of a difference probably means nothing
01:54 Exio in the netbook i got better results with -j5
01:54 Menche like 16s difference
01:54 Exio err, -j3
01:55 khonkhortisan make -j3 real 3m26.923s user 5m37.923s sys 0m22.184s, make -j4 real 4m18.619s user 5m42.481s sys 0m23.565s
01:55 Menche now trying it without -pipe
01:55 VanessaE Menche: 16 seconds isn't "nothing", that's significant.
01:55 khonkhortisan 2GB memory, two cores, -j3 faster than -j4
01:55 Menche out of 3 minutes
01:56 Menche i guess I'll stick with -j5
01:56 Exio isn't -pipe used by default in minetest?
01:56 Menche don't think so
01:56 Menche also, -O3 is used by default. that usually isn't recommended.
01:56 Menche -O2 is considered safer
01:56 Exio the -O# is not recommended because it can lead on not-working programs
01:57 Exio -O3 *
01:57 VanessaE you sure about that?
01:57 Exio if it works, i don't see why not
01:57 VanessaE (being -O3 as default)
01:57 Menche i think it's cmake's default
01:57 VanessaE last I knew there was no -O flag set by default in MT
01:57 VanessaE (except debug, which is -O1)
01:57 Menche check the default CMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE
02:00 VanessaE make clean && time make -j7 -pipe: real1m16.808s, user5m41.445s, sys0m18.721s -- and a metric assload of debug spew.
02:00 Menche do you have the cmake gui? it makes configuring much easier
02:00 Menche i don't think -pipe is supposed to be passed to make
02:00 VanessaE heh, figures.
02:00 VanessaE then to what is it passed?
02:00 Menche supposed to be put in the flags to be passed to g++
02:00 VanessaE ohhhhhh
02:00 Menche CMAKE_C_FLAGS
02:00 VanessaE CXXFLAGS="-pipe" then.
02:00 VanessaE make clean && time CXXFLAGS="-pipe" make -j7:  real 1m10.018s, user 5m41.413s, sys 0m17.521s
02:01 Menche i think "cmake -DCMAKE_CXXFLAGS=-pipe" is how to set it
02:01 Menche do you have cmake gui? it makes changing variables much easier
02:01 VanessaE I've tested it before, I'm pretty sure CXXFLAGS worked too.  And no, I don't
02:02 Menche it came with my distro's cmake package, on my computer it's called cmake-gui
02:02 VanessaE I prefer to do this sorta stuff from the command line
02:02 Menche or hand-edit the CMakeCache.txt
02:02 Menche works too
02:02 Exio The following NEW packages will be installed:
02:02 Exio cmake-qt-gui
02:03 VanessaE bbl, gotta run.
02:03 Menche i prefer the commandline too, but typing out one single command with all the custom options i use would be a big pain
02:03 Menche i hand-edit CMakeCache.txt usually
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02:03 Menche then run cmake afterwords to regenerate the Makefiles
02:05 Menche i get 3m6s without pipe, and got 2m58s with it
02:05 Menche not a huge difference
02:05 Kacey night
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02:18 khonkhortisan cmake-gui saves effort
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02:22 mauvebic (part of) ds9 http://www.zimg.eu/i/2518073453
02:28 VanessaE back
02:28 Exio wb :P
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02:37 VanessaE thanks
02:37 VanessaE bowled 215 and 237 this time around.
02:45 kaeza I'm getting really sick of this http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76728#p76728
02:46 kaeza why don't we just get back to MT 0.1 or whatever the first version was?
02:46 kaeza that way no one will complain about new things
02:48 VanessaE G*d damn /rollback takes forever
02:49 kaeza more griefing? D:
02:49 VanessaE yeah, "s42" griefed that red structure just south of the spawn
02:50 kaeza I wonder if it will be proper to post a list of "recurring griefers" on the forums
02:50 kaeza as a warning for server admins
02:52 * kaeza is just a bit tired and throwing silly ideas :P
02:53 VanessaE heh
02:53 VanessaE well maybe we do need some kind of list, the problem of course is that anyone can just make a new account.
02:55 kaeza yeah :/ (remember Randy/HELLO_IM_DEATH?)
02:55 Exio As a side note, I don't really care about whether a program/OS/whatever is open source. As long as I can run it without having to pay large sums of money I'm happy with it.
02:55 Exio windows is expensive as hell
02:57 Exio if i want to use windows here i have two ways
02:57 Exio cracking it, downloading "super l33t versions" what work like windows me
02:57 VanessaE wine and virtualbox ;)
02:57 Exio or buying it
02:57 Exio i use wine for PS
02:58 Exio (phase shift, game)
02:58 VanessaE actually I thought photoshop.
02:58 Exio lol
02:59 Exio i will not buy or use PS, gimp is perfect for me
02:59 Exio i don't use even half of it
03:04 NekoGloop I prefer Game Maker 8's internal image editor
03:04 Exio lol NekoGloop
03:05 Exio 8?
03:05 NekoGloop yes
03:05 Exio wait wait, when got 7 and 8 released
03:05 NekoGloop You've missed a little
03:05 NekoGloop Now it's Game Maker Studio and i think the standard package costs more than Windows 8...
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03:07 kaeza NekoGloop, I'm still using 5.3 :(
03:09 Exio Master Collection $499.99 Learn more Buy now
03:09 Exio YEAH, I WILL BUY IT!
03:10 Exio that is like half of the cost of my actual computer
03:10 NekoGloop That's just export to everything under the goddamn sun.
03:11 Exio they changed the page.. a bit
03:12 NekoGloop sandbox.yoyogames.com is the older webpage
03:13 Exio Ubuntu Export No No No +$99.99 Yes
03:13 Exio wtf
03:14 NekoGloop Master Package lets you get any future Export options free.
03:14 Exio you are paying them today
03:14 Exio for the future(tm)
03:15 NekoGloop Well it used to be $399.99 for the Master Package.
03:16 NekoGloop Exio, it lets you get all the current ones on top of any additional ones.
03:16 NekoGloop Though i don't see how many more random things they can export to.
03:17 kaeza ZXSpectrum+ ?
03:17 Exio fuck, 0 am
03:17 Exio bye
03:17 kaeza cya
03:18 NekoGloop fuck, time zones
03:18 Exio Tue Mar 19 00:18:14 ART 2013
03:18 Exio now, bye
03:18 kaeza Exio, DST?
03:18 kaeza ah ok :)
03:18 kaeza nite
03:18 NekoGloop Atlantic coast right?
03:19 NekoGloop I think...
03:19 kaeza yep
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03:41 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on kaeza's head
03:42 * VanessaE transfers the kitten to NekoGloop's head.
03:42 * NekoGloop sits with this face: >w<
03:42 VanessaE haha
03:43 * VanessaE turns on the kitten generator, set it to "11" and points it at NekoGloop
03:43 NekoGloop TURN IT UP TO ELEVEN!!!!!!1!!!one!!!!2!!!@!!!two!!!!eleven!!!!overninethousand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:43 VanessaE haha
03:44 * NekoGloop falls over from the overly poofy kittens being thrusted his way
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03:45 * VanessaE turns the machine off
03:46 VanessaE I think he's sufficiently buried for the moment ;)
03:46 NekoGloop mrff
03:49 khonkhortisan This is NekoGloop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ph3eoLGf4
03:49 khonkhortisan (it was just on the tv)
03:50 VanessaE HAHAH!
03:50 * NekoGloop would so totally do that if he could get the kittens to hold still for that long
03:51 khonkhortisan just play them the nyan song, they'll be out of it
03:52 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnc_KFjU0K0 Will this work...?
03:53 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76736#p76736
03:54 VanessaE hah!  win!
03:55 NekoGloop Hell, if it works go with it
03:59 khonkhortisan I should build my mesecons like that
03:59 * kaeza wonders why everyone makes creepers but nobody has made a sculpture of Sam
03:59 VanessaE sam?
04:00 VanessaE oh the minetest guy?
04:00 kaeza Sam Ain't Minecraft?
04:00 VanessaE right.  good question
04:00 VanessaE go on my server and make one :D
04:00 VanessaE (put it on art ave of course)
04:01 kaeza maybe like tomorrow
04:01 kaeza *maybe*
04:01 VanessaE lazy :)
04:01 kaeza challenge considered...
04:02 VanessaE use clay blocks from the unified bricks mod, then you have plenty of colors
04:02 kaeza ah yes! you have creative :P
04:03 * kaeza needs to go in more often
04:03 * kaeza would go more often if his connection wasn't so bad
04:03 kaeza anyway, client compiled
04:03 kaeza let's see what this breaks
04:03 VanessaE lol
04:04 VanessaE using rba's/my luajit instructions? :D
04:04 kaeza aw shit
04:04 kaeza forgot to add jit :(
04:04 VanessaE relax
04:04 VanessaE you didn't waste any time
04:04 VanessaE just go grab the sources and re-link it
04:04 kaeza anyway, that's on your side
04:04 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76627#p76627
04:05 VanessaE yep I know, but useful for experimenting in singleplayer too
04:06 ShadowNinja hmm, I tried to call a nil function but this time minetest segfaulted
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04:09 ShadowNinja and again, with a different lua error
04:13 VanessaE time for bed.  Night all.
04:14 VanessaE kaeza: if you build Sam, keep him over by Art Ave of course.
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04:14 kaeza oh fuck
04:14 kaeza this thing is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast
04:14 kaeza :D
04:16 kaeza I can even go at full speed and never touch the map edges
04:17 twenty4 what is it?
04:20 mauvebic does luajit make a speed diff for add nodes?
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04:20 kaeza1 twenty4, LuaJit
04:20 twenty4 ok
04:28 khonkhortisan LuaJIT
04:29 khonkhortisan a 2x to 10x speed improvement with that is more impressive than a 0x to 5x node reduction with 6d facedir
04:29 khonkhortisan "I can even go at full speed and never touch the map edges" is all I need to hear
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04:41 * ShadowNinja flys fast in a new world, mapgen keeps up easily :-)
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04:53 hmmmm map generation is quite fast at the moment
04:53 hmmmm the problem, i feel, is the block sending
04:55 hmmmm i wish we had something like minecraft where the client has all blocks in some large, square radius, of which more blocks on the edge get sent to the client every movement so there is never a point where you don't see the map ahead of you
04:56 hmmmm but i can't tell if that should be my next big project or finishing up mapgen v7.
04:58 mauvebic wouldnt mind being able to load a cubic km into view :-)
04:59 hmmmm spring break is coming up soon, so i should be able to get a lot done
04:59 mauvebic US spring break?
05:00 mauvebic think they already had theirs here
05:00 hmmmm my school has spring break at least a week later than everybody else, it seems
05:00 mauvebic makes sense then
05:10 BrandonReese I just recompiled with LuaJIT. Map generation with moretrees seems faster, and item drop seems faster too. I think I'll install mobf and try it.
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05:18 kaeza time for bed. night all
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07:12 v2px moin
07:13 v2px I can't get minetest compiled with gles, can someone give me a hint on how to do it?
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09:01 LMfails This is what happened the last time LandMine griefed spawn: http://imgur.com/a/ilWJc
09:01 LMfails He started building a castle now, pretending his griefing days are behind him.
09:01 LMfails I found the castle.
09:01 LMfails New Spawn Land Village was griefed.
09:02 LMfails I will make sure he did it.
09:02 LMfails And when I do, I will give access to each and every inhabitant of NSL village to his castle
09:03 LMfails Oh and for those that know what I'm talking about, chatman seems to have been building with him. He is a traitor. Probably the one who revealed the location of NSL village
09:04 LMfails He, Bad_Command, and 222jkm may become secondary targets depending on how responsible for this and other griefs they are.
09:05 LMfails This has been the third public service announcement of the Revolution. Thank you.
09:08 ironzorg I love how minetest server turn into second life, sometimes
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09:24 proller v2px, compile irrlicht first - http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=48287
09:33 celeron55 maybe there should be a "possible griefer detector" in the minetest server that would make any publicly listed server report on this channel (via a message collecting thing on the master server) if the server thinks somebody might be griefing 8)
09:34 celeron55 ...well, that system could be griefed pretty badly; probably a bad idea
09:34 celeron55 really the only thing that will work is a wiki-style edit history with easy rollbacks
09:35 v2px proller: I did now, then how do I tell minetest where the compiled libIrrlicht is?
09:37 proller -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR=yourirrglessrc
09:37 proller cmake -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR=yourirrglessrc .
09:39 proller but first try compile and run IRRLICHT/examples
09:39 v2px thanks
09:40 v2px the examples fail :/
09:41 v2px ah but the library path in the makefile is wrong
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09:49 proller on my odroid 13.RenderToTexture runs, but with black screen, and minetest too
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09:51 v2px proller: the irrlicht source file structure is so confusing
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09:52 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
09:53 v2px hey PilzAdam
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10:10 v2px proller: do I need this patch?
10:10 Guest73272 ?
10:11 proller v2px, if you can build irrlicht with egl - no
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10:33 v2px .
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10:34 celeron55 umm
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10:36 v2px thanks
10:59 v2px proller: can you make any sense out of this? /home/v2px/work/minetest/src/main.cpp:1360:16: error: ‘EDT_OGLES2’ is not a member of ‘irr::video’
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11:02 proller v2px, wrong headers from non-egl irr ?
11:03 v2px yeah looks like it always wants to use the one installed globally
11:04 proller -DIRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR
11:06 v2px oh..
11:06 v2px I was missing the dash
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11:21 celeron55 the cmake build system is kind of wonky in that kind of stuff
11:21 celeron55 it's best to delete CMakeCache.txt before doing a different build
11:22 celeron55 then do cmake . -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR=foo will set everything
11:22 celeron55 otherwise it'll use the previously determined (no matter how) values
11:22 celeron55 -do
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11:40 v2px I now have it compiled but it doesn't start at all
11:40 v2px *sigh*
11:41 v2px man all I want to do is to play minetest on my arm netbook :/
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11:52 proller irr examples works ?
11:57 celeron55 it's pretty much a fact that if you can get an irrlicht example to work and the platform has pthreads available, minetest will work on it
11:57 celeron55 otherwise, no 8)
11:57 celeron55 applies both ways
12:10 v2px i can't get the examples to compile because the makefile looks for something called GLES_CM in a already configured path (OGLESLIBS := -L$(HOME)/irrlicht/SDKPackage-ogles1/Builds/OGLES/LinuxPC/Lib -lGLES_CM) that's in the Makefile
12:11 v2px why would they want to do something like this?
12:11 v2px and what is it?
12:11 v2px I'm more and more confused
12:14 v2px And I'm beginning to hate all this
12:16 celeron55 building stuff is kind of an endurance sport
12:17 celeron55 for sanity
12:18 v2px so where do I get this tree? SDKPackage-ogles1/Builds/OGLES/whatever?
12:19 TTC-Gambit hello
12:19 TTC-Gambit sorry, I forgot I was on here
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12:21 proller v2px, do you use branch https://irrlicht.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/irrlicht/branches/ogl-es/ ?
12:22 v2px yes
12:22 proller ah, GLES_CM may be symlink
12:23 proller libGLES_CM.so -> libGLESv1_CM.so.1
12:23 proller look at your /usr/lib
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12:24 v2px no gles libs ther
12:24 v2px e
12:27 proller google them for your hardware
12:28 v2px ah
12:28 v2px found them in /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/mesa-egl/libGLESv2.so.2
12:28 v2px but v1? humm
12:28 v2px ah it's there too
12:29 v2px so I should link libGLES_CM.so to the v1 one?
12:33 v2px omg it compiled a test
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12:50 STHGOM howe!
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13:04 Kacey morning
13:06 STHGOM morning
13:06 STHGOM :D http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5108
13:07 STHGOM going to have fun on this one :D
13:08 whirm STHGOM: looking good :)
13:09 STHGOM :D
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13:12 STHGOM anyone want to play with me?
13:12 STHGOM mt.bremaweb.com 32000
13:13 STHGOM uh-oh
13:13 STHGOM laggy
13:13 STHGOM :(
13:17 STHGOM 3:15
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13:18 Kacey bbl
13:20 STHGOM thats weired... right after you join the lag is very little, but it increases quickly...
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13:22 STHGOM hi
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13:23 STHGOM hi
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13:27 STHGOM hi
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13:35 STHGOM is anyone here BrandonReese?\
13:39 STHGOM OldCoder: are you open for more servers?
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14:14 v2px so... now I linked my minetest binary to my gles irrlicht library and it only says "No OpenGL support compiled in." yeah. of course not. but can I have my gles now please?
14:15 PilzAdam video_driver in minetest.conf
14:15 PilzAdam (so its v"ideo_driver = gles" or similiar)
14:17 celeron55 v2px: if it ends up working, a short howto in http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest would be very appreciated by many people
14:18 v2px PilzAdam: that doesn't seem to work at all
14:18 v2px celeron55: I will keep that in mind
14:20 v2px where can I find a list of available video drivers?
14:20 v2px It just prints "Invalid video-driver specified" for everything I try
14:21 PilzAdam minetest.conf.example just says: "# Possible values: null, software, burningsvideo, direct3d8, direct3d9, opengl"
14:21 v2px Yep, I saw that one
14:21 PilzAdam look at main.cpp:1353
14:21 PilzAdam "ogles1" and "ogles2"
14:22 v2px ah thanks
14:22 STHGOM cya
14:23 v2px It doesn't recognize ogles1 and ogles2 fails with "Unable to create video driver of unknown type" ...
14:23 PilzAdam do you have the correct irrlicht version?
14:24 v2px I compiled one from the ogles branch
14:24 v2px which was a really annoying thing to do
14:31 troller v2px, did you compile and test irr examples with this drivers?
14:31 troller they ask on strart about driver
14:49 realbadangel_ ogres? we are going to have ogres in mt? ;)
14:50 PilzAdam realbadangel_, minetest already has ogres support
14:51 realbadangel_ i never met them tho
14:51 PilzAdam oh
14:52 realbadangel_ :)
14:54 bas080 Hey people, i noticed when changing some textures that drawtype plantlike textures has a darker tone then nodes texture
14:54 hmmmm so when is minetest getting creepers?
14:54 PilzAdam never
14:54 hmmmm this minecraft clone suuuuuuuuux
14:55 bas080 will send screenshot. one sec
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14:59 v2px proller: the tests are showing a driver selection menu on start alright but the first two entries don't have a name
15:00 bas080 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Plants/Screenshot%20-%2003192013%20-%2003%3A59%3A19%20PM.png <<< plantlike is darker then node texture although it uses the same texture
15:00 v2px oh, now. only one test didn;t work
15:01 v2px proller: both, the es2 and es1 drivers produce the output "Unable to create video driver of unknown type."
15:01 v2px :/
15:01 PilzAdam are you sure that the correct irrlicht version is linked?
15:03 v2px pretty sure yep
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15:24 PilzAdam yay! Unicorns @ github.com
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15:35 Limux_ Why is 0gb.us server down?
15:38 jojoa1997|Tablet he is having problems
15:39 Limux_ Thanks
15:39 jojoa1997|Tablet something about the server blocking incoming traffic but ha has port forewarded to 2 machines alreafdy
15:40 Limux_ thats bad
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15:46 khonkhortisan When a signal is on the z axis, a movestone moves forward when the signal is on its right. When a signal is on the x axis, a movestone moves forward when the signal is on its left. This screams inconsistency to me
15:46 khonkhortisan If I want to make a mesecon spin in a circle, I have to put wires both on the outside and on the inside of the path
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15:56 OldCoder Hi
15:56 OldCoder Tell STHGOM yes but not for two months
15:56 OldCoder He is gone; will somebody relay this?
15:58 khonkhortisan so "yes but not for two months" or not for two months, "yes"?
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16:07 Jordach ahh, the joys of updating
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16:11 Jordach FUCK
16:12 Jordach I AM NOT INSTALLING NVIDIA CURRENT
16:12 PilzAdam install nvidia-current-updates
16:13 Jordach PilzAdam, cant use anything other than driver 97 as my gpu goes fucking mental (can ONLY RUN MINETEST ONCE!)
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16:17 Traxie21 Help please
16:22 Jordach Traxie21, hm?
16:22 Traxie21 I have a bit of a problem
16:22 Traxie21 I'm restructuring ServerExtended to use a modpack format
16:23 Jordach hm?
16:23 Jordach anyways, i'm going to be busy
16:23 Traxie21 Well, one file, api.lua
16:23 Traxie21 is needed by several of the mods
16:23 Traxie21 and I can't figure out how to allow it to be loaded before all of them
16:23 Traxie21 so far, it kind of works, kind of dosnt
16:23 Jordach Traxie21, add depends.txt >> ServerExtendedAPI
16:24 Jordach to all folders / mods (in folders) that need it
16:24 Traxie21 Done
16:24 Traxie21 depends.txt looks like this:
16:24 Traxie21 se_api
16:24 Jordach say: a,b and c use SE, so depends.txt must be in all of them: SE
16:24 Jordach Traxie21, yes, that'll work
16:25 Traxie21 yet with se_gui and se_ranks, I get attempt to index field ? when loading
16:25 Jordach Traxie21, make a global function for it
16:25 Traxie21 the ? is a se_api function
16:25 Traxie21 done
16:25 Jordach Traxie21, like how stairs and ore gen do so
16:25 Traxie21 hmm
16:26 Traxie21 isnt that just function?
16:26 Jordach Traxie21, NO
16:26 Jordach function is relative to the mod
16:26 Traxie21 or am I reading the stairsplus wrong
16:26 Jordach Traxie21, i meant the original stairs mod
16:27 Traxie21 a function in a table..?
16:27 Traxie21 serverextended = {}
16:27 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/stairs/init.lua#L4
16:27 Jordach Traxie21, yes
16:27 Traxie21 serverextended.load_player_data()
16:28 Traxie21 CRAP
16:28 Traxie21 that means I have to go through about 10 files and change it, just to see if it works x_x
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16:31 Traxie21 ok...
16:31 Traxie21 Now it gets, error indexing field se.
16:32 Traxie21 Do I need to initialize the table in each init.lua?
16:32 Traxie21 Oops
16:33 Traxie21 Actual error is attempt to call field load_player_data (a nil value)
16:33 Calinou :mark_shuttleworth:
16:33 Calinou IRC needs smilies.
16:33 Traxie21 Cal
16:33 Jordach Calinou, let's make a client then :P)
16:33 Traxie21 You wrote stairsplus right?
16:33 Calinou hi
16:33 Calinou yeah
16:33 Traxie21 How do you make functions that can be called from other mods?
16:34 Calinou by not putting a "something." prefix
16:34 Calinou register_stair() and not moreblocks.register_stair()
16:34 Calinou and not using too many "local" vars too :P
16:34 Traxie21 soo
16:34 Traxie21 exactly what I was originally doing.
16:34 Traxie21 and I just changed it to se.load_player_data()
16:35 Traxie21 jordach said to do it like this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/stairs/init.lua#L4
16:37 mauvebic ugh, another snowstorm
16:37 mauvebic id like to meet the guy who thought it was a good idea to start digging in the snow and call it Canada lol
16:37 Traxie21 WIn
16:38 Traxie21 Calinou:  Little help?
16:39 Traxie21 Anyone: Little help here please?
16:39 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: I have updated my bucket branch
16:39 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, great, I will look at it later
16:41 PilzAdam Calinou, I want to push stonebricks upstream now, can you add aliases accordingly to moreblocks and post a notice in the forum?
16:43 proller PilzAdam, adn underground springs!
16:43 Traxie21 guys
16:44 Traxie21 How does one make a function that can be accessed both directions from other mods?
16:44 proller ShadowNinja, you enable moving infinity water source in bucket by default ?
16:44 PilzAdam proller, I am not happy that the setting for it is in minetest.conf and not in map_meta.txt
16:44 proller its very dangerous for lava
16:45 proller PilzAdam, ok, will fix
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16:45 PilzAdam proller, maybe ask hmmmm to add a (read-only) access to map meta.txt in Lua
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16:45 PilzAdam something like minetest.map_settings_get()
16:45 proller ok
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16:46 khonkhortisan yes! We need mods to know about map_meta.txt
16:46 proller PilzAdam, or enable for all by default without option 8)
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16:46 PilzAdam proller, that could work too
16:47 proller i think nobody will disable it
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16:48 VanessaE hi all
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16:48 Traxie21 hi nessa
16:49 Jordach anyone here played Mirrors Edge?
16:50 Traxie21 How does one make a function that can be accessed both directions from other mods?
16:51 VanessaE Traxie21: just give it a useful, unique name and make sure your mod is loaded before the others.
16:51 Traxie21 done that
16:51 Traxie21 anddd
16:51 Traxie21 dosnt work
16:51 Traxie21 even with depends.txt set
16:51 VanessaE weird.  well, look at how I did plants_lib.  It's technically "wrong" by some peoples' view, but it works
16:51 Traxie21 I did it in a table
16:52 Traxie21 and without it
16:53 Traxie21 Gahh, I gtg
16:55 VanessaE seeya then
16:55 VanessaE in the meantime, when you return
16:55 VanessaE look carefully at how moretrees and plants_lib play together (or plants_lib and any of the other three mods shipped with it)
16:56 VanessaE imho, that ^^^^^ is the proper way for external mods to talk to one another
16:57 VanessaE also bear in mind that if A depends on B via depends.txt, A can access B's functions right away, but B can't access A's functions until it has been loaded, so you may need a minetest.after event or some other way to delay the first access of A's function until you can be sure it's available.
16:57 Traxie21 NVM, I trolled myself
16:58 Traxie21 Thanks for the help though
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17:01 VanessaE I tried :)
17:11 celeron55 v2px: lol
17:11 celeron55 v2px: you can't configure minetest to use es1 or es2 as-is
17:11 celeron55 v2px: you need to add them to main.cpp:1353
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17:12 celeron55 oh somebody already said it
17:12 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1353
17:12 PilzAdam you mean like this?
17:12 VanessaE Calinou: Is it possible for that circular saw you merged in to automagically catch all other stairsplus registrations?  e.g. gloopblocks, technic, et.al that also use stairsplus
17:13 celeron55 apparently that was added then since i last pulled 8)
17:14 VanessaE Calinou: also, some moreblocks' nodes are still making it into creative inv:  jungle tree, sandstone, regular tree
17:15 PilzAdam also junglewood is added upstream
17:17 VanessaE PilzAdam: what's the list of nodenames again for the jungletree stuff?  I may as well make some changes to moretrees to use them
17:17 PilzAdam junglewood, junglesapling, jungleleaves, jungletrees
17:18 Traxie21 Has the cURL http request thingy been merged yet??
17:18 VanessaE ok.
17:18 Traxie21 nvm
17:18 Traxie21 someone hurry up and merge that :I
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17:39 Jordach i just found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;feature=endscreen&amp;v=6v3L5wNTtms
17:40 iqualfragile hey, can someone update me? what happened lately?
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17:41 PilzAdam iqualfragile, heavy development: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master and https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commits/master
17:41 PilzAdam *heavy
17:42 iqualfragile well, i hoped someone could summarise it but im allright with reading throught the changelogs
17:42 iqualfragile brb reading changelogs
17:42 PilzAdam http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
17:42 PilzAdam ^ summed up version
17:44 Calinou [suggestion for admins] how 'bout a "Skins" section on forum is created?
17:44 PilzAdam Calinou, can I push these stonebricks now?
17:44 Calinou PilzAdam: ok
17:44 Jordach Calinou, problem; we some way of intergrating them
17:45 Calinou what will be the name of the node? default:stone_bricks?
17:45 khonkhortisan aw, I was using the output slots for ores I haven't smelted yet
17:46 PilzAdam Calinou, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/467e2029e220f1a90aef2c04468a6de95089c107
17:46 PilzAdam default:stonebrick
17:47 Jordach Calinou, whats the work for when a ISP slows you down?
17:47 Jordach word
17:47 VanessaE throttle
17:47 PilzAdam Calinou, also alias junglewood
17:47 Jordach thanks VanessaE
17:48 Traxie21 So cobble is now stonebrick?
17:49 VanessaE Traxie21: just the texture, real cobble gets a new texture
17:49 Traxie21 oh oke :D
17:49 VanessaE PilzAdam: suggestion:  mossy cobble is too saturated
17:49 PilzAdam I know
17:49 VanessaE it looks more like "radioactive cobble" :)
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17:50 PilzAdam feel free to suggest better textures
17:50 VanessaE I just did :P
17:50 PilzAdam I just took the ones from the almost MC pack
17:51 VanessaE merge my 16px HDX in as the default textures :D
17:51 VanessaE (ducks and runs)
17:51 Calinou "Junglewood"... :|
17:52 Calinou should be "Jungle Wood" :P
17:52 Traxie21 Ahh
17:52 Traxie21 The sweet sound of no bugs!
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17:54 Dante123 Hi all.  Grade 3 teacher here.....using minetest with my class......do any companies offer webhosting for reasonable fee?
17:54 Traxie21 web hosting?
17:54 Traxie21 There's free web hosts, for websites
17:55 Dante123 I meant to host mine test server
17:56 VanessaE for that you will need a VPS
17:56 Traxie21 Yeah
17:56 Traxie21 And those aint free
17:56 VanessaE yeah
17:56 Traxie21 which sucks, because I want to host a MT server
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17:57 Dante123 Yes, how much will that cost?  Any feasible companies you recommend?
17:57 Dante123 Reasonable
17:57 Jordach Dante123, there is the possibility of using a class computer and connecting it to that
17:57 Dante123 Damn spell check
17:57 Jordach via the School local area connection
17:57 Jordach all they need is the IP address, which can be found through control panel > network connections (windows systems)
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17:58 Dante123 We have been doing that, but would like something for 'after hours'....so kids can work at home
17:58 Dante123 Otherwise very limited time for going on server at school
17:59 Jordach Dante123, hmmm
17:59 Jordach Dante123, i'll have a talk with OldCoder; he's running 17 Worlds on a Amazon AWS Server
18:00 Traxie21 OldCoder eh?
18:00 Jordach Dante123, Amazon AWS Free is FREE, but if you go over your small limits, you start to pay for your need
18:00 Traxie21 I can has oldcoder pl0x?
18:00 Jordach Traxie21, depends if he's about
18:00 Traxie21 I know
18:01 Traxie21 I just need somewhere to test ServerExtended, this laptop is kinda ehh.. well... ya know
18:01 Jordach Dante123, another choice would be http://chunkhost.com but this requires FB
18:01 Dante123 My concern is that no one else can 'vandalize' what the kids make/do
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18:01 Jordach Dante123, keep the IP Address a secret
18:01 Dante123 So would want private
18:01 Jordach Dante123, eg, you could have something like: thisaddressis.secret.school.com
18:02 Jordach as long it is not announced, nobody can find out
18:02 rubenwardy hi all
18:03 Dante123 That would work.  But I have 22 students....I need idea about costs
18:03 Dante123 If we went over limits etc
18:04 Jordach Dante123, oldcoders worlds are usually very busy
18:04 Dante123 Chunkhost requires fb?
18:05 Jordach Dante123, it's free, while it requires facebook
18:05 Jordach VanessaE, PilzAdam: http://ompldr.org/vaHRkZw/cobblestone.zip
18:05 Jordach two textures
18:05 Dante123 So users logging in must have Facebook?
18:05 Jordach Dante123, no, the server admin must
18:05 PilzAdam Jordach, that is stonebrick and not cobblestone
18:06 Jordach PilzAdam, some people think cobble is like that
18:06 Dante123 Well I could try that.....recess almost over....will look into this more later
18:06 Jordach I consider stone brick to be more like breezeblocks than cobble
18:06 Jordach Dante123, okay
18:06 Dante123 Thanks
18:07 Traxie21 ChunkHost is at capacity
18:07 Jordach Traxie21, that's the problem with free vps'
18:08 Jordach theyre either full or have hidden catches
18:08 Traxie21 yeppers
18:08 iqualfragile https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/e3badd7062d4bee62335cf100f3f91ef4c370aae why are some abm in the engine and some in the script?
18:08 iqualfragile speed?
18:11 VanessaE to me, cobblestone is mostly like what pilzadam just put in - randomly-shaped small stones mortared or grouted together.
18:11 * Jordach sets off gameshow buzzer
18:11 Jordach WRONG
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18:12 Jordach where would the mortar come from?
18:12 iqualfragile PilzAdam: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/548 could that get merged in?
18:13 mauvebic pokes vanessae http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76920#p76920
18:13 PilzAdam has anyone a good sound for lavacooling?
18:14 Jordach PilzAdam, a good sort of rapid cooling sound, like a ssssssssssssssssssss.....
18:14 PilzAdam yes
18:14 Jordach PilzAdam, go make some fire and put it out with water
18:14 Jordach thats the sound you probably want
18:15 PilzAdam /give PilzAdam fire:basic_flame
18:15 PilzAdam aw, damn, I dont have privs to do that...
18:16 khonkhortisan it should be a quick sound so you can have many of them
18:17 VanessaE brb
18:17 iqualfragile bk
18:17 iqualfragile that are quite some changes…
18:19 Jordach huh, ive stopped being throttled
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18:19 Jordach hehehehehehe, for some reason my connection gets faster when im using spotify
18:20 * Jordach leaves it running
18:20 khonkhortisan maybe you've tripped the important packet wire
18:21 Jordach khonkhortisan, my ISP supports people who use it
18:21 Jordach it used to be 10kb/s for UDP, now 400kb/s
18:27 mauvebic http://ompldr.org/vaHRkdQ/map.png <- battlestar on the ground and DS9 in orbit lol
18:34 * Jordach has solved another problem: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76776#p76776
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18:44 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, the buckets work fine
18:44 mauvebic prounounced 'bouquet'
18:44 PilzAdam except one bug: take a bucket from the creative inv and try to place the water
18:44 PilzAdam it will crash because there is no metedata saved
18:44 mauvebic cant catch it?
18:44 PilzAdam I will fix it
18:45 mauvebic i can never remember if empty metas return nil or '' lol
18:46 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, I will take LIQUID_MAX when not metadata is set for the bucket, ok?
18:47 PilzAdam also, do we want all the buckets in the creative inv?
18:47 mauvebic full buckets?
18:47 mauvebic seems wasteful if you can get the liquid nodes themselves
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18:47 khonkhortisan a creative bucket should stay full
18:47 mauvebic 1 full bucket per liquid type?
18:47 khonkhortisan stay-full water, stay-full lava, and regular bucket
18:48 mauvebic i have like 4-5 extra liquids
18:48 khonkhortisan buckets are better than liquids at removing liquids
18:48 mauvebic empty buckets yeah
18:50 PilzAdam so, Ill remove the full buckets from the creative inv
18:50 mauvebic well yeah, you can pull water and lava in their pure form w/o it
18:51 PilzAdam also the liquid_finite code we have in the engine is... strange
18:51 PilzAdam you need to place 16 full water blocks to get a 2x1x2 whole filled
18:52 mauvebic :/
18:52 mauvebic should kinda be like mese crystals were you need certain amount of small units of water to get a block
18:53 mauvebic though kinda feel funny using an eyedropper to fill a hole lol
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18:57 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, so I push it when you are ok with using LIQUID_MAX if no metadata is found and removing the full buckets from creative inv
19:00 PilzAdam oh, and what about chaning the usage of buckets accoring to this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4340 ?
19:00 PilzAdam (leftclick pickup, rightclick place)
19:00 Exio ++
19:01 Traxie21 ServerExtended 0.5-pre2-Unstable released!
19:01 Traxie21 God, thats a long version
19:03 thexyz > there are only a few people on IRC at one time
19:04 thexyz > and those are mostly the same most of the time
19:08 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commits/bucket_flowing
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19:14 bull3trulz hey guys
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19:23 mauvebic wow, quite an uproar over lava lol reminds me of mese shards
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19:23 thexyz why can't those guys just comment the fucking line out if they don't like the change?
19:23 thexyz or, well, two lines
19:24 mauvebic or write a simple mod for volcanos/under-sea vents, (where lava really comes from) lol
19:24 PilzAdam because people like to complain about everything
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19:24 VanessaE beeee..cause they'd have to make that same change every single time they upgrade?
19:24 khonkhortisan under-sea vents would be nice, lava coming up through water and through cooled lava
19:24 Exio i don't like to complain about everything, everything you are doing is wrong and WE NEED THAT OLD THING BACK
19:24 mauvebic yeah i saw the last post and casimir really piled on every other change he doesn't agree with lol (no relation to lava)
19:25 VanessaE stack up enough "just comment out that line"'s and it gets stupid.  Personally I don't much care if lava is infinite or not.
19:26 mauvebic me neither if anything i found sources connecting to make more sources just annoying and disastrous
19:27 VanessaE but for some stuff, perhaps finite lava included, there should be a config option.  set it once and forget about it.
19:27 Exio random git question, does anyone know a way to revert any local commit?
19:27 mauvebic though if i cared i'd make springs/volcanos and such
19:27 khonkhortisan git reset --hard HEAD^
19:27 Exio without having to re-download the whole repo?
19:27 khonkhortisan that's a destructive change, you lose your changes.
19:27 khonkhortisan or git checkout <commit>
19:28 thexyz VanessaE: they'd have to make that same change every single time they upgrade? < really?
19:28 Exio i have some commits from months ago, weeks ago and yesterday with stuff what i don't want atm
19:28 thexyz then they update wrong
19:28 Exio thexyz: because git add .;git commit -m "local change: renewable lava"; is hard
19:29 thexyz really?
19:29 VanessaE remember your audience.
19:29 thexyz oh, yes
19:29 VanessaE how many MT users even know how to edit a file?
19:29 VanessaE s/MT/computer/
19:29 mauvebic if they wanted something brain-dead simple they'd buy MC
19:30 thexyz which doesn't allow to modify anything
19:30 mauvebic if youre just broke and want something free you expect it to require a little more elbow grease
19:30 thexyz and, therefore, is more simple
19:30 thexyz (reference: Apple)
19:30 Exio ha, perfect reference
19:31 mauvebic besides most of our users are obviously linux users, if they dont know how to edit files they're using the wrong OS lol
19:31 Exio and outside that, minetest.conf
19:31 thexyz not "most"
19:31 Exio is already a file what you need to edit
19:31 VanessaE mauvebic: I'm not so sure about that
19:32 mauvebic well everytime theres a informal polling, most people say linux anyhow (maybe win users are underrepped)
19:32 PilzAdam I generally dislike adding settings for minetest_game to minetest.cinf
19:32 Calinou misa's pack update: dungeon master texture, slightly improved sheep, obsidian and obsidian shards, renamed stone brick and jungle wood textures, screwdriver and circular saw textures added
19:32 PilzAdam *conf
19:33 Calinou also updated moreblocks: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76947#p76947
19:33 thexyz well, we can have config.lua.dist/config.lua, as I suggested
19:33 PilzAdam Calinou, nice!
19:33 thexyz but I'd prefer those guys just to shut up
19:33 VanessaE Calinou: read your pm's :)
19:33 thexyz & hack
19:33 Calinou saw your post
19:33 Calinou for the 1), dunno, probably not unfortunately, need to fix this later
19:34 Calinou 2) is fixed
19:34 VanessaE ok
19:34 VanessaE 1 would be a major plus
19:34 Calinou misa's pack has 1724 textures, not counting alternate textures :D
19:34 VanessaE then we could have stairs for things like wool or other large-node-count mods without bloating out the creative inv.
19:35 PilzAdam how many people use the "Old Mese" mod?
19:35 Calinou 24
19:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: probably 1 :D
19:35 Calinou 25 now, VanessaE started using it
19:35 khonkhortisan mesecons works with either mese
19:35 VanessaE old mese?  eh?
19:35 khonkhortisan I think
19:35 PilzAdam its basically the same with finite lava
19:36 PilzAdam everyone shouts now and in 2 days they dont care
19:36 PilzAdam +anymore
19:36 mauvebic thats because theyve moved on to the next change :p
19:36 VanessaE because 2 days after the argument, maybe they figure their opinion no longer matters?
19:37 VanessaE (nevermind whether it does or not, just that they may think so)
19:37 mauvebic though most friction is diff. people pulling the game in different directions
19:37 Traxie21 That strange moment when you realize that your opinion dosn't matter
19:38 mauvebic it does but it cant be the only one
19:38 Exio 7todo add in 3days "SHOUT AT PILZADAM BECAUSE LAVA"
19:38 Exio oops
19:38 VanessaE haha
19:38 khonkhortisan programming is a mix of democracy and multi-headed dictatorship
19:39 * PilzAdam puts not renewable lava on Exio's head
19:39 ShadowNinja is there any way to relay access to a variable through a function in lua? I know you can do this in php
19:39 Exio hehe
19:39 mauvebic democracy can be a mixed blessing: in countries with proportional rep, majorities are much rarer
19:40 VanessaE mauvebic: and then you have the US, with its bastardized system  :D
19:40 ShadowNinja for example myvar.x calls getmyvar(x)
19:40 mauvebic well you got two parties with the same financing :P
19:40 VanessaE heh
19:40 ShadowNinja er "x"
19:40 Calinou have to go, bye
19:40 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, have you looked at my changes to the buckets?
19:40 mauvebic though id be ignorant if i thought our parties here were all funded by the same entities that stand to benefit from it
19:40 Calinou Traxie21: since when mauvebic's opinions matter? this is not new 8)
19:41 Calinou "thou shalt not listen to P4 owners" -- comment of octaedit.cpp
19:41 Traxie21 I know my opinions dont matter :3
19:41 Traxie21 And I've learned to deal with it XD
19:41 Calinou (before the line "don't clean this up")
19:41 mauvebic havent used the p4 for MT in 9 mos now
19:41 khonkhortisan 33333333 -> 44444444 = 44444494
19:41 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: no, where are they?
19:41 mauvebic then suddenly when i upgrade people start bitching about performance and voxels lol
19:42 Calinou recycle it mauvebic! by overclocking it to 6ghz and using it to heat your room
19:42 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commits/bucket_flowing
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19:42 PilzAdam dont you read the logs?
19:42 mauvebic the P4 is basically a tv now lol
19:43 ShadowNinja well all you changed is making it use rightclick, but yes I prefer it that way
19:43 thexyz ShadowNinja: metatable __index property
19:43 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, also that if no metadata is found it uses LIQUID_MAX
19:44 ShadowNinja I hear sapier is disabling metatables for security
19:44 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76951#p76951
19:44 VanessaE new ubuntu build w/LuaJIT
19:44 thexyz ShadowNinja: there's no other way
19:44 PilzAdam and that the buckets with water and lava arent in creative inv
19:44 khonkhortisan I wrote a bash script to make move luajit remove minetest* make again
19:45 PilzAdam VanessaE, also, I tested LuaJit and cant really notice any performance increase
19:45 PilzAdam (tested with mapgen, carts and mesecons)
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19:45 mauvebic was gonna ask, does luajit speed up add nodes? (for worldeditors)
19:45 Traxie21 PilzAdam, the father of controversy
19:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: others have tested it and have concluded that it is faster.
19:46 PilzAdam mauvebic, the function call itself not, but the loops
19:46 Traxie21 Heh
19:46 mauvebic well i have loops that run in 10x billions lol
19:46 PilzAdam VanessaE, that might be, I dont do professional benchmarking here
19:46 Traxie21 I don't know a duck about C++, but would it be possible to have a config option to use normal lua OR luaJIT?
19:46 mauvebic ds9's loop is 1929781125 iterations lol
19:46 PilzAdam but some people say that they really notice speed improvement
19:47 PilzAdam and I cant say that
19:47 thexyz Traxie21: LuaJIT shouldn't be worse
19:47 VanessaE it depends on what mods you run and what you do in your game
19:47 Traxie21 Pilz, Try with one of parmats mods, see how much faster it is
19:47 Traxie21 thexyz, ok
19:47 thexyz so there is no point in leaving Lua
19:47 Traxie21 Just to satisfy adam XD
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19:48 mauvebic though, when youre doing alot of add nodes, do you need to pace 'em?
19:48 BlindBanana why not a compiletime option for lua or luajit?
19:49 khonkhortisan I think that hasn't been done yet
19:49 mauvebic well if it does work why not default?
19:49 PilzAdam mauvebic, this would increase performance: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/57d3b3d07aa12257b389cd8c4b6dc4550a6c95ea
19:49 VanessaE BlindBanana: the build script I developed for my server has that feature, by way of commenting out one line
19:49 khonkhortisan luajit works, but a make clean; make will replace it with lua again
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19:50 mauvebic pilzadam to could set entire cuboids at a time
19:50 mauvebic ?
19:50 PilzAdam yea
19:50 VanessaE worldedit could sure use THAT
19:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: how about a replace function also?
19:50 mauvebic me too
19:50 PilzAdam it is something about 7 times faster than pure Lua
19:50 VanessaE something like minetest.env:replace_nodes(minp, maxp, oldnode, newnode)
19:51 mauvebic though, both we and multinode would need new map formats  (easily doable)
19:51 thexyz PilzAdam: we need voxelmanipulator, not crude hacks ^^
19:51 VanessaE or that.
19:51 mauvebic builtin would be faster
19:52 mauvebic im already at 3 map formats :/
19:52 mauvebic should be a better way lol
19:53 mauvebic being able to move chunks from map to map
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19:53 kaeza greetings
19:53 VanessaE mauvebic: +100000
19:53 VanessaE hey kaeza
19:53 kaeza hey V
19:54 khonkhortisan woah!
19:54 VanessaE ?
19:54 mauvebic set_node_area( <- would work nicely with binvox files
19:54 khonkhortisan I placed dirt on the ground, did a //stack y 1000, went up there, and leaves popped up! Silly moretrees!
19:54 VanessaE lol
19:55 mauvebic thats the mapgen :P happens to me
19:55 khonkhortisan went up, went back down, pulled some dark lighting with me
19:56 mauvebic shadows are a problem with world editing/spawning stuff
19:56 VanessaE mauvebic:  select a huge area around/above/below the shadows and //fixlight
19:57 mauvebic yeah thats one way though ideally if you could suspend or skip the lighting/param1 update in the first place the shadows wouldnt be created?
19:57 VanessaE yeah, that would be faster, though I dunno that I'd call it "better"
19:58 mauvebic well youd have to pass it as a paramter so it doesn't happen in every case
19:58 mauvebic but worldediting, spawning bins', dont always want lighting updates
20:01 mauvebic even weirder is some spots are intensely bright day/night when doing ^^
20:05 * Jordach will probably upgrade minetest when a new version comes out
20:06 mauvebic shadows at Y + 22K http://www.zimg.eu/i/2233640083
20:06 Jordach FUCK
20:07 mauvebic yeah that sob is huge at 1.245km diam. lol been spawning since last night
20:07 mauvebic and doing //fixlight aint practical lol
20:14 BlindBanana here is a midified minetst/src/CMakeLists.txt for compiletime lua/luajit option
20:14 VanessaE jeez
20:14 BlindBanana http://0bin.net/paste/5133f3f95681b01982cef67ff75f0072c4283b30#EaDALPkDiTOm3KU7pu4K0V9XDHbQlP101Zar0Ky1MFI=
20:14 BlindBanana untested
20:14 mauvebic as much as i could load with fps = 1 http://www.zimg.eu/i/4001883353
20:15 VanessaE BlindBanana: nice
20:15 Traxie21 What are you loading mauve??
20:15 VanessaE mauvebic: good lord, that's huge
20:15 Traxie21 And what do you use to load that stuff
20:16 BlindBanana and here is the diff against current minetest/src/CMakeLists.txt: http://0bin.net/paste/c37ade9047f5ff154c47704022577e0a85300d1c#8XD1LGKXQSXm8PONkoPKCLIdp6Kk6AxnHv9ssUPh758=
20:17 mauvebic i could put all my buildings in that thing lol
20:17 VanessaE BlindBanana: I think it would be better if you default to LuaJIT and require a switch to use regular Lua
20:18 BlindBanana can somebody please test this, and create a pull request on github if it works?
20:18 VanessaE (since there's no practical reason not to use JIT except for some kind of special testing needs)
20:18 mauvebic Traxie21 actually wrapping up that mod too
20:18 BlindBanana VanessaE: that would too much for this evening :-)
20:19 Traxie21 :D
20:19 Jordach VanessaE, yes, we do need JIT
20:19 Traxie21 Cyas later!
20:19 VanessaE Jordach: my server runs it :)
20:19 * Jordach points at Technic and mesecons
20:21 VanessaE and I could see an argument for the future, where mods could be written to take advantage of how LuaJIT compiles/optimizes things, to get even more speed boost than otherwise might be the case
20:21 VanessaE (like if you know that removing that *one* instruction and moving it down a few lines will cause the compiler to produce faster code, etc0
20:21 VanessaE )
20:23 kaeza what else do I need to have jungles in game? I added v6_jungles to mg_flags and created a new world, but still no jungles :(
20:24 PilzAdam do you have the latest dev version of minetest installed?
20:24 kaeza and yes, using latest git of both mt and mt_game
20:24 kaeza ^
20:24 VanessaE dammit, calinou forgot to alias moreblocks:stone_bricks -> default:stone_bricks
20:24 PilzAdam its default:stonebricks
20:25 VanessaE whicveer
20:25 VanessaE whichever, the alias isn't sert
20:25 VanessaE set*
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20:27 PilzAdam VanessaE, https://github.com/Calinou/calinou_mods/commit/07a24f36237f91cc50a1b437b45031242c7770f0#L0R144
20:27 PilzAdam it is there but its wrong
20:27 * BlindBanana notices clang 3.2.0 doesn't build minetest (latest git)
20:27 VanessaE ah hah
20:27 kaeza PilzAdam, is it possible that one or more mg_flags conflict with each other?
20:27 kaeza mg_flags = flat, dungeons, caves, v6_jungles
20:27 PilzAdam no
20:28 * BlindBanana runs away
20:28 PilzAdam I have mg_flags = trees, caves, dungeons, v6_jungles and it works perfectly fine
20:28 kaeza ah... maybe it needs 'trees' flag
20:28 PilzAdam yes
20:28 * Jordach can finally make that awesome tree city
20:29 PilzAdam kaeza, jungletrees are generated like normal trees
20:29 PilzAdam and this whole code is skipped if you dont have the trees flag set
20:30 kaeza no wonder I saw big patches of jungle grass but no trees lol
20:33 kaeza https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2220462643.jpg
20:33 kaeza there ^_^
20:36 VanessaE wha?
20:37 kaeza ?
20:37 VanessaE [03-19 16:35] -RichiH- [Global Notice] Hi all. PDPC, freenode’s parent organisation, has been dissolved. Details can be found at http://blog.freenode.net/ with a static copy at http://planet.freenode.net/
20:37 kaeza oh that
20:37 Jordach we must go to QuakeNet
20:40 kaeza I can't seem to access the blog :(
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20:44 VanessaE "after Rob Levin passed away"
20:44 VanessaE oh that's sad :(
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20:49 Jordach VanessaE, people die everyday, it's not a big thing
20:49 VanessaE it's still sad.
20:49 Jordach (same for minetest. i die once a game.)
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21:00 mauvebic done http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76972#p76972
21:11 john_minetest looks cool.
21:12 john_minetest gtg, bye
21:13 mauvebic i gotta work on seek, have some ideas
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21:15 jojoa1997|Tablet i have a request
21:15 mauvebic for who? lol
21:16 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam This is to you really but everyuone else can contribute to
21:16 jojoa1997|Tablet make lava renewable because
21:16 jojoa1997|Tablet obsidian is as hard as steel blck and
21:17 jojoa1997|Tablet mese picks take some time to get steel blocks dug. if you want make obsidian harder but you use resources diggin obsidian
21:18 Uberi you mean make obsidian harder?
21:18 mauvebic i thought someone said it was brittle?
21:18 VanessaE Uberi: thanks for the changes to pipeworks. :)
21:18 Uberi not in-game
21:18 Uberi no problem :)
21:18 Uberi I like me some fast mod loading
21:19 Uberi obsidian doesn't have to follow real life's obsidian
21:19 Uberi it can be a super strong material that just happens to have the same name as the volcanic glass
21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet the curretn way is kinda stupid
21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet with lava being nonrenewable since
21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet obsidian takes forever to dig so obsidian is already rare and it does a number on mese picks
21:21 Uberi so you want it to be even stronger?
21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet so hah you didnt need to make lava a "rare" node
21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet if that makes pilzadam change the lava back to renewable
21:22 Uberi well no, you can still cast obsidian structures, remember
21:22 Uberi place lava source at the location
21:22 Uberi then place water on it
21:22 Uberi obsidian forms at your target, no need to dig at all
21:22 Uberi also, lava is renewable now with recent changes
21:23 Uberi turn on finite liquids and the lava coming out of infinite springs can be picked up in buckets
21:23 jojoa1997|Tablet but that is the problem
21:23 Uberi hmm?
21:23 mauvebic is finite liquids the same mod rubenw wrote?
21:23 PilzAdam yep
21:23 Uberi no I think it's a different one
21:24 Uberi ah OK
21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet it lags like hell with finite liquids and also i dont want it so now you are forcing me to use i feature i perposely set off and
21:24 mauvebic is it faster than the first versions?
21:24 PilzAdam well, the core version is in c++
21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet i want renewable liquids not finite and some renewable here and there
21:24 Uberi definitely faster, yes
21:24 PilzAdam so its faster, but still not good
21:24 mauvebic ah ok, should be
21:24 mauvebic hmm
21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam
21:24 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: finite liquids ARE renewable liquids
21:24 mauvebic i have yet to figure how that would work with pipes lol
21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet no
21:24 Uberi no?
21:25 mauvebic could literally empty a lake
21:25 Uberi as I said, the infinite sources in finite liquids are findable in survival and give infinite lava
21:25 jojoa1997|Tablet wait
21:25 jojoa1997|Tablet BUT I DONT WANT FINITE LIQUIDS I WANT RENEWABLE LIQUIDS AND INFINITE LIQUIDS
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet also
21:26 Uberi but yes, we do need a way to make lava renewable for people with finite liquid turned off
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet and           not by changing code
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet also
21:26 Uberi changing code?
21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet obsidian is hard already so why make lava stupid
21:27 jojoa1997|Tablet and make renewable_liquid = true in init.lua
21:27 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: what does obsidian being hard have to do with lava being renewable?
21:27 jojoa1997|Tablet that is what i mean by =changing code
21:27 jojoa1997|Tablet hard obsidian means need mese pick and it also degrades picks fast
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21:30 * ShadowNinja just did a major rewrite of node_ownership, again.
21:30 Uberi hi jojoa1997|Tablet, still not sure what you mean
21:30 ShadowNinja not much is left now
21:30 Uberi ShadowNinja: does it protect meta?
21:30 Uberi I think I figured it out, sorta
21:31 jojoa1997|Tablet uberi have you dug steel blocks with a mese pick
21:31 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: of course, it is pretty easy if you just wait a tiny bit
21:31 jojoa1997|Tablet i copied the same groups over
21:31 jojoa1997|Tablet so it makes obsidian hard to get from the start
21:31 jojoa1997|Tablet now
21:32 Uberi hard to get? not really
21:32 jojoa1997|Tablet if we had smart groups for damage 1 being worse 3 being super strong then we could add a fourth group for obsidian
21:32 Uberi you don't need to mine for iron, then smelt, then craft the block
21:32 Uberi that is true, yes
21:33 jojoa1997|Tablet i just went to add a pull request and oops i cant make it harder too bad
21:34 jojoa1997|Tablet is there a way to get harder groups
21:35 jojoa1997|Tablet or we could switch them around or add an [s] group
21:35 jojoa1997|Tablet i know some games have levels as 3rd 2nd 1st S
21:35 Uberi well you can always increase the level group
21:35 jojoa1997|Tablet ?
21:35 Uberi that goes lower to higher
21:35 jojoa1997|Tablet what do you mean by level group
21:35 jojoa1997|Tablet ?
21:35 Uberi the group named "level"
21:36 jojoa1997|Tablet oh
21:36 jojoa1997|Tablet \so if i changed it to 3 then it would take longer
21:36 Uberi no, it would be completely undiggable
21:36 Uberi you would need a new super-tool to dig it
21:36 jojoa1997|Tablet wait
21:36 jojoa1997|Tablet whatabout steelmese
21:37 jojoa1997|Tablet a mese pick and a steel pick in the crafting grid makes steelmese picks
21:37 jojoa1997|Tablet nvm
21:37 jojoa1997|Tablet too much
21:38 Uberi probably
21:38 jojoa1997|Tablet but i think lava should be renewable it is depended on by too many other things
21:38 mauvebic is there an easier way than this to do jit? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76627#p76627
21:38 Uberi mauvebic: I believe VanessaE made the simplest possible instructions
21:39 Uberi but someone could write a buildscript I guess
21:39 jojoa1997|Tablet well as long as we have a switch back and forth option for liquid renewability that would be nice and i would be satisfied
21:40 mauvebic ill try it that way
21:40 Exio i have an idea jojoa1997|Tablet
21:41 BlindBanana mauvebic: you could try http://0bin.net/paste/5133f3f95681b01982cef67ff75f0072c4283b30#EaDALPkDiTOm3KU7pu4K0V9XDHbQlP101Zar0Ky1MFI=
21:41 PilzAdam VanessaE, read it again: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76977#p76977
21:41 mauvebic i replace cmakelists.txt with that to build w/ jit?
21:41 Exio make a local copy of it and change that, commit it localy, and profit, the other way is making a pull request with it is as an option what is "non-renewable lava" by default and push it
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21:43 BlindBanana mauvebic: replace the right CMakeLists.txt and read the first 4 lines of the paste, but you still have to build libluajit before building minetest
21:43 VanessaE PilzAdam: OOPS!
21:43 VanessaE hah!
21:43 VanessaE I'm blind :-)
21:43 VanessaE (post deleted because I'm an idiot :D )
21:44 * Exio deletes VanessaE
21:44 mauvebic allright, and i dont rename libluajut.a
21:44 VanessaE Uberi: a build script...like this?   http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76994#p76994
21:45 PilzAdam luajut, 10x faster than luajit :-)
21:45 mauvebic lol
21:45 Exio so, it is 100x times faster than normal lua! where can i download luajut?! :D
21:45 Uberi neato VanessaE
21:45 PilzAdam only mauvebic has it :-(
21:46 Exio ohh :(
21:46 * Exio steals mauvebic's luajut
21:47 mauvebic well my smallest ship spawned in 15 seconds with normal luas
21:50 mauvebic voyager in 86
21:51 mauvebic pretty wide margin to test on :-)
21:52 VanessaE there, just tested that modified build script I posted.  It works :-)
21:57 mauvebic would luajit work with lua 5.2?
21:57 VanessaE LuajIT is self-contained
21:57 VanessaE I think it's complaint to 5.1?
21:57 mauvebic naw for some 5.2 features im looking at :p
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21:58 VanessaE dunno
21:59 mauvebic but if its self contained you could add it to the game without worrying about backward compat. later on
22:00 VanessaE "LuaJIT is compatible to the Lua 5.1 language standard."
22:00 VanessaE well that answers that
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22:00 mauvebic poop, we'd be stuck
22:00 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam oing
22:00 jojoa1997|Tablet ping
22:00 PilzAdam pong
22:00 VanessaE mauvebic: well sure, for now.  I'm sure the LuaJIT team will eventually update to 5.2 if there's a reason to do so.
22:01 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77001#p77001
22:01 jojoa1997|Tablet would what rarkenin suggest work
22:01 mauvebic Reverse-Vader finds your abundance of faith disturbing :P
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22:01 jojoa1997|Tablet mauvebic to who
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22:02 mauvebic naw just looking at luajit commits they dont seem supermega active
22:02 * jojoa1997|Tablet starts a game of ping pong with VanessaE
22:02 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE ping
22:02 VanessaE pung.
22:02 jojoa1997|Tablet poing
22:03 jojoa1997|Tablet who herewatched poohbear?
22:03 Uberi png
22:03 jojoa1997|Tablet jpg
22:03 VanessaE tga
22:03 jojoa1997|Tablet gif
22:04 jojoa1997|Tablet want to know the most adjustable and precise but the most hard way of makeing pictures
22:04 Uberi exr
22:05 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: hex editor!
22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet ............................
22:05 Uberi magnetized needle and a steady hand!
22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet .......         ...........         ........
22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet nope
22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet dots lots of them
22:05 Uberi well you can always use a butterfly
22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet the original newspaper pics were made this way
22:06 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam would you consider adding rarkenin's suggetion from http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77001#p77001
22:06 PilzAdam image are still made like this
22:06 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, I do read the forum, you dont have to point me there
22:06 kaeza I'm a bit pissed http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77005#p77005
22:06 jojoa1997|Tablet i know :)
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22:07 Uberi kaeza: wow, never thought about dirt that way
22:08 Uberi there's probably more MESE than dirt in each world!
22:08 kaeza yep
22:08 PilzAdam dirt is generated underground, in very small spots
22:08 PilzAdam and they are very rare
22:08 kaeza but it's still more rare than, say, cobble or stone
22:08 jojoa1997|Tablet the most rare thing is
22:09 PilzAdam cobble
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet air
22:09 PilzAdam (in mapgen)
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet nope air
22:09 PilzAdam cobble is only generated in dungeons
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet now it is the only unattainable thing
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet mobs do not count
22:09 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, we are talking about vanilla game
22:10 PilzAdam well, content_ignore is the rarest, because the mapgenerator even _destroys_ it :-)
22:10 jojoa1997|Tablet no
22:10 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza ^
22:10 jojoa1997|Tablet i know something even rarer
22:11 kaeza what?
22:11 Uberi what about default:thisawesomenode?
22:11 jojoa1997|Tablet something that everyone has but is never in the game
22:11 Uberi there are literally 0 nodes of it in every world
22:11 kaeza nyancats!
22:11 kaeza Uberi, wut
22:11 Uberi kaeza: I found a nyancat once
22:11 jojoa1997|Tablet player entity
22:11 Uberi it was the best day in my MineTest career
22:11 jojoa1997|Tablet it never loads your entity on your client
22:12 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, ಠ_ಠ
22:12 Uberi it had a 14 node rainbow
22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet i found nyancat once also
22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet but
22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet actually it was a buggy spot
22:12 Uberi yeah, and I was flying around though
22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet new world just got on and i landed on a nyan cat that was on a dungoen
22:13 kaeza realbadangel_, we are talking about vanilla game
22:13 Uberi (this was before there were flying privs, so everyone could just fly randomly)
22:13 kaeza thanks for the tip though :)
22:13 jojoa1997|Tablet i updated my game the next day and boom gone
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22:13 Kacey hi all
22:13 jojoa1997|Tablet <Kacey> hi all
22:13 Uberi hey Kacey
22:13 kaeza sup Kacey
22:14 jojoa1997|Tablet hello Kacey
22:14 * Kacey feels popular
22:14 Uberi HAI KACEY
22:14 kaeza hola Kacey
22:15 jojoa1997|Tablet HOLA KACEY
22:15 jojoa1997|Tablet hay i was going to say that
22:15 Kacey i need xchat to auto-join
22:15 jojoa1997|Tablet Kacey do you have an android
22:15 Kacey nope
22:15 kaeza Kacey, go to server list -> Freenode -> Edit
22:16 kaeza and in "favorite channels" add "#minetest"
22:16 jojoa1997|Tablet the worst kind of disease is
22:17 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet,
22:17 jojoa1997|Tablet wait i learnt it today in psychology
22:17 Kacey connect command?
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22:17 kaeza Kacey, Menu XChat->Network List
22:18 jojoa1997|Tablet a paranoid person in a panic attack
22:18 kaeza select "freenode" and click "Edit..."
22:18 jojoa1997|Tablet say they will die
22:18 jojoa1997|Tablet and boom
22:18 Kacey i got there and it also has connect command
22:18 Kacey what is that
22:19 PilzAdam just leave it blank
22:19 kaeza just click "Close"
22:19 Kacey got it
22:19 Kacey now to get a cloak...
22:19 BlindBanana the CMakeLists.txt for luajit I linked earlier is broken! I test now an corrected version.
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22:20 kaeza Kacey, for that, I recommend switching to HexChat and enable SASL
22:20 jojoa1997|Tablet w/me puts on the invisibility cloak
22:20 * jojoa1997|Tablet puts on the invisibility cloak
22:20 khonkhortisan ~Kacey@unaffiliated/Kacey
22:20 kaeza to avoid join-spamming
22:20 jojoa1997|Tablet way to run it w
22:20 Kacey would ssl work?
22:20 khonkhortisan Hello teacher.
22:20 PilzAdam Kacey, do automatically join #minetest rightclick on the channel and click on "Add to favorites" and just close the window that opens then
22:20 PilzAdam *to
22:21 kaeza PilzAdam, wow didn't notice that menu :P
22:22 Kacey it is in favorite
22:22 Kacey brb testing settings
22:22 Kacey joined #minetest
22:22 Kacey nice auto identify and everything
22:23 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77001#p77001
22:23 jojoa1997|Tablet when will mobs be added back. i kno they were in lua but why get rid of them when they were faster
22:23 jojoa1997|Tablet dont follow link'
22:24 Uberi well I vote to have PilzAdam's simple mobs in default
22:24 Dante123 Teacher here.  I want to run a private server for my grade three kids to build/create early settler villages......would you suggest amazon web services or is there another host service you recommend?
22:25 Uberi Dante123: if you have experience with AWS/a preexisting plan, go for AWS
22:26 Kacey or just run a server locally
22:26 Kacey no forwarding required for that
22:26 Dante123 No experience with AWS.
22:26 Uberi Dante123: does your school have computers to spare for the task?
22:26 mauvebic the server can run off a terminal
22:26 Uberi it is likely that they have at least one that is unused
22:27 Dante123 Have run local server already, but want kids to be able to work on it at home.....can't dedicate that much school time to this
22:27 Dante123 But boy do they love it
22:28 Uberi Dante123: pretty good initiative
22:28 Dante123 Can we go to computer lab again? ....everyday
22:28 Uberi what I mean is, can you have the school leave this computer on permanently?
22:29 Dante123 My teacher laptop is the server, but they wouldn't be able to access from home.  I'm sure it dept. has things locked up
22:30 Exio playing MT at school? in what TZ? i'd join! :P
22:31 Dante123 Localserver
22:31 Dante123 The buy in by the kids has been terrific.....
22:32 Kacey aww it sounds soooo fun
22:32 Kacey i et tested to the point where the teachers can't even teach us what we need
22:33 Kacey so i barely have 2 electives
22:33 Dante123 All pumped.....but time in school to work on it is limited.  I would like to transfer our 'world' to a host that could give kids access from home
22:33 Kacey band and spanish
22:33 Kacey wish mt would be in my cirriculum...
22:34 Kacey i bet, Dante123, if you asked OldCoder really nicely he *might* just host one
22:34 Dante123 I am fitting it into early settlers/First Nations , area perimeter volume, and science
22:34 Exio hi Kacey
22:34 Exio what's up with spanish?
22:34 Dante123 Who is old coder?
22:35 Exio OldCoder is OldCoder
22:35 PilzAdam Kacey, OldCoder doesnt have enought time for 2 days
22:35 Kacey an old coder lol
22:35 PilzAdam -t
22:35 Kacey lol but when he has time
22:36 Dante123 Does he frequent this chat regularly?
22:37 Kacey and maybe, Dante123, just maybe, you could have me (since i have a VERY young mind and i am the youngest here) hop in and build something for them to see
22:37 PilzAdam Kacey, oh, actually hes busy for 2 months
22:37 Dante123 If I didn't have to jump through a million hoops and deal with the bureaucracy, the school board could host it
22:37 Kacey well when he is not busy PilzAdam
22:38 Dante123 Well I will take any and all help I can get with this
22:39 Kacey i have a port forwarded, but my computer is not built to host a full-time server
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22:42 AndChat|344441 It wouldn't even have to be fulltime server just run for say two hours a night, three times a week
22:42 AndChat|344441 Mon wed fri
22:42 Exio haha! what i got http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-11-12#i_2630707
22:42 Exio i didn't know someone thinked the same thing :P
22:43 PilzAdam splitting default into more mods is nearly impossible since it would simply kill all depends.txts
22:43 PilzAdam what can be done is split it into more files
22:43 Exio yep
22:43 PilzAdam I will do this soon
22:44 AndChat|344441 This is Dante123....
22:44 Exio is possible to make alias from "something:1" to "othermod:2"?
22:44 PilzAdam sure
22:44 Exio (as splitting the stuff in 'more mods' and adding aliases to legacy, i just wonder)
22:45 PilzAdam that wouldnt really help the dependency thing
22:45 Kacey i broke ShadowNinja's server ^_^
22:46 AndChat|344441 Could I run free amazon server three nights a week hosting minetest and likely avoid all costs?  22 student with say 15-20 accessing up to 2 hours three times a week?
22:46 PilzAdam AndChat|344441, what is the limit for those servers?
22:46 AndChat|344441 Free tier says 750 hours
22:46 AndChat|344441 Limit of users?
22:46 AndChat|344441 Not sure
22:47 PilzAdam well, OldCoder knows much about this
22:47 PilzAdam but seems like hes busy right now...
22:48 AndChat|344441 OK, well I can check back another time.  I'm willing to pay out of my own pocket but have my own limits too
22:49 PilzAdam Minetest doesnt require that much bandwith
22:50 AndChat|344441 So basically I need my own vps to rune mine test right?  There are no commercial companies you can rent a mine test server from?
22:51 PilzAdam I dont know any
22:52 VanessaE well you need a hosting account that'll let you run your own code, which will usually only be a VPS.
22:52 VanessaE or you can do like some of us do and run one from your home PC
22:53 Exio Where’s the on / off switch?
22:53 PilzAdam AndChat|344441, I bet VanessaE will do that for you :-)
22:53 Exio To switch on: just plug it in!
22:53 Exio To switch off: remove power.
22:53 VanessaE no, I won't :)
22:53 AndChat|344441 For home PC wouldn't I have to have static ip
22:54 VanessaE nope.
22:54 VanessaE use a dynamic DNS service like afraid.org or so
22:54 AndChat|344441 How  much would that cost me?
22:54 VanessaE that one is free
22:55 VanessaE so in total, about all it'll cost you is whatever your PC needs for electricity to stay on 24/7
22:55 VanessaE (plus your networking hardware of course)
22:55 Exio no-ip works perfectly for me
22:55 BlindBanana strange, if I build latest git with luajit as described by VanessaE it works, but if I build it via an modified CMakeLists.txt it throws many errors about undefined references -.- the modified CMakeLists.txt: http://0bin.net/paste/0a3589ff7255082a41485e3812fc4afff3c429ca#0YtgkwQEdROKKH2o9EaSjHKGBKRF8UP0VnskGfyg9OI= this version should at least work under linux...
22:55 VanessaE that's another good one.
22:56 Exio err, freedns*
22:56 Exio no-ip is the other thing
22:56 AndChat|344441 Actually I would not want the server to be on ..24/7.   just a few hours per week
22:56 VanessaE BlindBanana: try my build script.
22:56 VanessaE it's far more automated than my step-by-step instructions.
22:56 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76994#p76994
22:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: ^^^^ in case you're interested.
22:56 PilzAdam VanessaE, we need a working cmake configuration to get it upstream
22:57 VanessaE four steps instead of 10 :-)  (two of which involve getting luajit and getting minetest sources ;) )
22:57 BlindBanana VanessaE: this works, but i want an integrated solution to include this later into minetest git
22:57 VanessaE just pointing it out.
22:57 Kacey AndChat|344441, then just forward a home port, set up teamviewer and instant server
22:57 PilzAdam BlindBanana, can you post a diff against master?
22:57 mauvebic where do you stick the bash and with what extension? (dont use em often lol)
22:58 VanessaE it's a script, which routinely get named with .sh
22:58 VanessaE and you put it wherever you want.
22:58 VanessaE I keep such things in ~/Scripts
22:58 VanessaE minetest, luajit sources in ~/Minetest-Textures-and-mods
22:59 BlindBanana PilzAdam: sure: http://0bin.net/paste/eb4177882a56163d567191c48a47b995f9c09ca8#EudekneNG3S59K6YqnC3cqC+FgJ740dQgLZqmW0PScg=
22:59 mauvebic minetest_Game, i can skip that step and take care of it later?
23:00 VanessaE sure if you want
23:00 VanessaE I originally made this script to automate everything for me
23:00 mauvebic was just wondering why i needed to provide a path for minetest_game :P
23:00 VanessaE in my particular case, further changes to my local install are made after the "checkinstall" step
23:01 VanessaE so point MINETEST_GAMEDIR at /dev/null or something :)
23:01 mauvebic dualcore would be j3
23:01 BlindBanana PilzAdam: don't forget "sed -i '195,$s/\\\[\\\]//' builtin/serialize.lua"
23:01 VanessaE -j3 yeah
23:01 mauvebic p4 is j2
23:02 AndChat|344441 OK, signed up with afraid.org
23:02 AndChat|344441 Now what?
23:03 VanessaE AndChat|344441: next you just need to download one of their scripts that you can use to update your IP address with their system
23:03 VanessaE attach it to cron or whatever you use for automated, periodic jobs
23:03 VanessaE then configure your networking hardware to forward port 30000 to your computer.
23:04 VanessaE recommend you update your IP record every 6 to 12 hours
23:05 AndChat|344441 OK.....will have to look into this more tomorrow. Thanks for help.   This is new to me.  I do run Linux mint so plan on that PC being my server
23:05 VanessaE good deal
23:06 AndChat|344441 Thanks for help
23:06 AndChat|344441 One last thing, how long has mine test project been around?
23:06 VanessaE about 2 years
23:07 AndChat|344441 OK thanks again
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23:09 OldCoder Hi. I am reviewing the question. Yes; I run VPSes of a few different types.
23:09 OldCoder AndChat|344441, you could not have that many users for free
23:09 OldCoder The lag would be too high
23:10 OldCoder You would need to upgrade. I recommend either a Linode or an AWS upgrade.
23:17 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ptZRXf5rsY
23:17 kaeza hmm... with all these things that are per-world, wouldn't it be feasible to add a way to get/set configuration options from a file in the world dir without requiring user to start MT from the command line with different config files?
23:18 kaeza or perhaps be able to add per-world minetest.conf and that the game uses it to override settings in main minetest.conf
23:19 Exio k, i sent a email to the rs providers in argentina for rpi prices and checking how can i buy it
23:19 Exio an*
23:20 Exio kaeza: what configs?
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23:20 Exio there is a <worlddir>/map_meta.txt for configs like the mapgen name, and stuff of it
23:21 Exio (same for the seed)
23:22 kaeza Exio, I mean an API in Lua for mods to get/set settings from it
23:22 Exio ah
23:22 Exio s/check/ask/
23:22 Exio (for what i said)
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23:23 Kacey great...
23:23 Exio btw, phase shift in background as music player
23:23 Exio in linux
23:23 Exio seems legit
23:23 Kacey ?
23:23 Exio http://www.dwsk.co.uk/index_phase_shift.html
23:24 Exio frets on fire, fofix - like games
23:24 Exio the only thing what i like of ps is the networked multiplayer
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23:35 khonkhortisan It doesn't tell me it's windows-only until I get to indiedb
23:35 khonkhortisan I didn't click on readme on the way
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23:43 jojoa1997 Hello all
23:43 LAD hia
23:43 jojoa1997 !/nick jojoa1997|Tablet
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23:50 Exio khonkhortisan: yep, it doesn't support linux "natively", i just use it with wine, works perfectly with the last wine and so
23:50 khonkhortisan oh okay
23:51 Exio they say that in the readme
23:52 Exio "we don't have resources for making it run in a native way in linux or mac, but it now runs on wine"
23:52 jojoa1997|Tablet when was the last time sfan5|OFF shut off his irc clieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnt
23:52 Exio when he changed his nick to |OFF, i think
23:52 Exio he uses ZNC for keeping a connection "always"
23:53 Kacey hi Menche
23:54 Menche hi
23:54 jojoa1997|Tablet what is ZZZZZZZNC
23:56 Exio irc bouncer
23:56 Menche http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9985/screenshot2232713116.png
23:57 Menche made a leaves_with_apple node
23:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Menche survival world without planting?
23:57 Menche ?
23:57 jojoa1997|Tablet suggestion
23:58 Menche what?
23:58 Kacey Menche, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5076
23:58 jojoa1997|Tablet make 2 layers have apples be inside leaves and also apples generate naturally now
23:59 Menche have apples inside leaves?
23:59 jojoa1997|Tablet Kacey why must he write everything in spanis
23:59 jojoa1997|Tablet if i could translate i would but i cant so i wont
23:59 Kacey portugese...
23:59 Menche what, the new craft guide?
23:59 jojoa1997|Tablet Menche blender model but leaves blender has clearspots

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