Time Nick Message 00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet YES!!!! 00:00 VanessaE kaeza: byte your tongue :) 00:00 kaeza VanessaE, FCK YEAH! 00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet vanessae 00:00 kaeza wait.. not that statement 00:00 VanessaE FCK? this is not a kindergarten. the word is "FUCK". :-) 00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet hunger means regenerating heakth 00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet FK YEAH 00:00 Uberi aw yiss 00:00 kaeza VanessaE, the original meme is "F*CK YEA" 00:00 kaeza +actually 00:00 * jojoa1997|Tablet havent been to pre school 00:00 VanessaE oh that one 00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet add the hoe and cotten now also 00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet would yo do that? 00:01 VanessaE http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/987/fyeah.jpg 00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam ^ 00:01 VanessaE cotton* 00:01 jojoa1997|Tablet i use up arrow 00:01 kaeza cetten* 00:01 PilzAdam so, I add this papyrus and cactus growing now? 00:02 VanessaE PilzAdam: sure, go for it. 00:02 jojoa1997|Tablet and hoe and cotton 00:02 kaeza yep 00:02 jojoa1997|Tablet I WANT WOOL 00:02 Uberi we all do, jojoa1997|Tablet, we all do 00:02 * jojoa1997|Tablet hacks into github and adds hoe and cotton 00:03 VanessaE cotton should come from flowers mod :-) 00:03 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, MOBF+Shears and stfu 00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet no 00:03 kaeza ...or flowers :) 00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet dye comes from flowers 00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam 00:03 jojoa1997|Tablet would you cosider adding plants_lib into minetet_game 00:03 VanessaE no 00:04 VanessaE do not add plants_liv 00:04 VanessaE _lib 00:04 VanessaE there are future plans for this to be implemented in C++ 00:04 jojoa1997|Tablet and also cotton farm are where cotton is gotton 00:04 VanessaE if I understand hmmmm correctly. 00:04 kaeza VanessaE, that would be grrrreat 00:04 jojoa1997|Tablet NO 00:04 jojoa1997|Tablet unless the format wont chamge 00:04 kaeza no offense, but lua sucks at modifying large amounts of nodes 00:05 jojoa1997|Tablet maybe entities spawning could be supported 00:05 Uberi kaeza: I know, but the voxelmanipulator interface is a ways off 00:05 jojoa1997|Tablet and building spawning 00:06 Uberi otherwise WorldEdit would be using it in a heartbeat 00:06 * jojoa1997|Tablet BBBBBBBOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM :-) 00:09 jojoa1997|Tablet will anyone add a craft guide to minetest 00:09 VanessaE Unified Inventory has that covered, imho 00:09 jojoa1997|Tablet and not a mod or d inventory 00:09 jojoa1997|Tablet unified inven 00:09 STHGOM Hasn't someone already have dome that 00:10 * Uberi wants extension support so bad in unifiedinventory 00:10 kaeza ^this 00:11 VanessaE RealBadAngel: you listenin'? :-) 00:11 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngle Mod support is NEEDED!!!!!!! 00:11 jojoa1997|Tablet wtf? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5159 00:12 jojoa1997|Tablet one crazy mod 00:12 Uberi oh snap 00:12 Uberi I NEED THIS 00:13 Uberi btw what is turquoise sand? 00:13 STHGOM That looks cool 00:13 STHGOM Fjdj 00:13 STHGOM Shrug 00:14 RealBadAngel wait wait 00:14 RealBadAngel whats the problem? 00:14 STHGOM It would make a nice tower 00:14 Uberi no problem, but would like mod support in unifiedinv ") 00:15 RealBadAngel mod support? or api for UI? 00:15 VanessaE RealBadAngel: there has been a pretty big demand for API/new pages support in UI 00:15 Uberi the latter, yes 00:15 VanessaE so that it can replace e.g. inventory plus and the like 00:15 RealBadAngel ah, API is in development 00:15 Uberi awesome 00:15 RealBadAngel you have propably noticed that UI itself has changed a lot 00:15 STHGOM lol, auto correct 00:15 Uberi is there a GH branch where patches can be sent? 00:16 RealBadAngel all mods that will want to use UI API will be given icon on a hotbar 00:17 RealBadAngel point is i have to make it scalable 00:17 Uberi ooh, an icon 00:17 mauvebic better off making a smartphone-esque launch screen for all the icons youll need lol 00:18 mauvebic or make the inv+hotbar expandable/retractable 00:18 jojoa1997|Tablet no 00:18 jojoa1997|Tablet make a new page for mods 00:18 mauvebic lol wasnt asking you 00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet so people dont have to wait for you to add them 00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet the whole point is to support them not add them 00:19 Uberi I'm off to get something to eat 00:20 Exio what's up? 00:20 kaeza cool. IRC has gotten so real you have to disconnect to get something to eat 00:21 STHGOM Hahaha 00:21 kaeza Exio, scroll up :P 00:22 Exio yo no hablar espaniol 00:22 Exio >:D 00:22 RealBadAngel lol, mod wont never support other mods. its about to others use them 00:23 RealBadAngel *it 00:24 RealBadAngel seems like jojoa doesnt understand meanin of API 00:24 kaeza RealBadAngel, the scalability of the UI is an issue indeed 00:24 kaeza maybe you can do something like ui.add_page(formspec, w, h) or even parse formspec for a size[] element 00:25 RealBadAngel but whatever i will do with UI worldedit, armor or whatever wont automagically appear in it 00:25 RealBadAngel those mods creators or maintainers have to write code using UI's API 00:26 * Menche is waiting for paramat's meru mod to generate 00:26 kaeza you just take care of the api; I will (prolly) add junger/etc bars from survival_modpack 00:26 kaeza hunger* 00:27 RealBadAngel it will look like unified_inventory.register_page(name, icon_image, callback_handler, formspec_handler) 00:28 RealBadAngel callback will have to take care of own buttons etc, formspec will have to prepare own formspec contenst in a string 00:31 Exio kaeza: hehe 00:34 PilzAdam new win build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 00:35 Kacey again? 00:35 PilzAdam why not? 00:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: what, no luajit? ;) 00:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, what, no pull request for luajit? 00:36 kaeza I see rule 34 posts coming... http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76714#p76714 00:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: a pull request would be beyond my skills, but: 00:36 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76627#p76627 00:36 VanessaE this is easy enough to do, at least for linux. 00:37 PilzAdam 10 steps!?! 00:37 PilzAdam *grumbles while leaving* 00:37 PilzAdam bye 00:37 Menche i link it with the version of luajit from my package manager 00:38 Menche modify src/CMakeLists.txt and the troublesome line in serialize.lua 00:38 Menche and that's it 00:38 kaeza fucking spam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76713#p76713 00:39 Menche lol 00:39 Menche "thank all our customers" they have customers who use PilzAdam's builds? 00:39 Exio xD 00:39 Exio VanessaE: work for you ^ 00:40 kaeza lol 00:40 VanessaE HAH! 00:40 VanessaE I got pilz to ragequit? :D 00:41 kaeza ZING 00:41 * kaeza does not trust new users 00:41 VanessaE Menche: the proper way of course is to modify the build system to detect where luajit is, or build and link against a static copy if not found, and that's beyond my skills 00:42 VanessaE so I chose the improper way for my own builds :D 00:43 kaeza VanessaE, it's easy, but I ain't touchin' minetest in any way 00:44 VanessaE chickenshit :D 00:44 kaeza I reserve my wonderful commits for my awesome local game >:D 00:44 VanessaE heh 00:44 Menche i do it by modifying the build system, but in a hacky and very non-portable way 00:44 kaeza actually, I only did a stupid fix 00:45 Exio well 00:45 VanessaE don't berate yourself, you did all kinds of good work on homedecor 00:45 kaeza maybe some of you would like it: showing the selection box only if debug mode is enabled 00:46 Exio in the "git" repository here, i haz local commits for 'hacks' in the light stuff for making nodes brigther (everything hardcoded, ofc), the random-mapgen stuff 00:46 VanessaE I should try to condense my instructions ^^^ into a bit of script code I can plug into my update-minetestserver.sh script 00:46 WiredOnLinux clear 00:46 WiredOnLinux lol 00:46 WiredOnLinux dammit 00:46 VanessaE opaque 00:46 WiredOnLinux hahaha 00:47 sokomine great...now one of my lumberjack houses spawned on top of a normal trader house. and the trader stands on the roof of that one :-) 00:47 kaeza WiredOnLinux, Puppy Linux user? 00:47 WiredOnLinux yes 00:47 kaeza YAY 00:47 WiredOnLinux Hell Yes 00:47 VanessaE sokomine: how??? 00:47 WiredOnLinux kaeza you? 00:47 VanessaE WiredOnLinux: Xubuntu here. puppy indeed. :) 00:47 kaeza previously used LuPu 525 00:48 Exio slitaz > puppy 00:48 WiredOnLinux I am LuPu 5.2.8 00:48 kaeza Puppy is a lean and mean distro 00:48 WiredOnLinux I like Slitaz Too 00:48 kaeza and also an awesome security phail 00:48 WiredOnLinux Puppy Linux blows Slitaz out of the water 00:48 WiredOnLinux I have a custom version of puppy linux 00:49 WiredOnLinux its 4.1.1, with the 5.2.8 package manager 00:49 sokomine vanessa: well...the roof of such a "normal" trader house from sapiers mod *looks* like ground one could build on...... 00:49 VanessaE ahhhh 00:49 kaeza I wish they added multiuser support 00:49 sokomine it is very unlikely to happen but not impossible :-) 00:49 kaeza being always root is not good for you 00:49 Exio the only distro what have booted in 8 seconds by default with x11 + stuff 00:49 Exio in my netbook, is and was slitaz 00:49 Exio (2 seconds the login) 00:50 kaeza Exio, 5 seconds with a Celeron @333 MHz 00:50 kaeza 160MB of RAM 00:50 Exio i said by default :P 00:51 WiredOnLinux look at PupNGo Exio 00:51 WiredOnLinux it will blow slitaz away 00:51 WiredOnLinux its 33 MB 00:51 WiredOnLinux fully usable Puppy Linux Operating System 00:52 kaeza WiredOnLinux, have they fixed compat with i965 cards? 00:52 kaeza my comp can't run puppy because of that :( 00:53 Exio that too, my gpu works perfectly with slitaz :P 00:53 Exio (gpu in the netbook, intel) 00:53 kaeza ogl in sw mode == shit 00:53 Exio install the drivers/stuff 00:53 Exio i had slitaz installed for some months, it was really very stable, fast 00:54 Exio and has a good hardware support 00:54 kaeza Exio, been looking forever for a driver for my card, and installed like 20 different packages 00:54 Exio with sudo, bash, firefox, libreoffice, and so on, a full working system.. 00:54 kaeza and no support :( 00:54 kaeza 5.2.8 may have changed that 00:54 sokomine and clay traders popped up as well. they want to sell the clay from the trader's hut :-) 00:54 Exio kaeza: there was some "bugs" (at least with my gma) for some mesa - x11 - so on drivers 00:55 Exio very very poor performance 00:55 Exio (yes, even worse than 'normally'), random crashes 00:55 kaeza all the drivers I tried freeze when starting X 00:56 Exio the drivers crashing without any real reason, and so 00:56 kaeza I'm stuck with the generic vesa 00:57 WiredOnLinux 5.2.8 does 00:57 WiredOnLinux its the only version that works with my card 00:57 Exio i'm stuck atm with the nvidia closed driver :P 00:58 WiredOnLinux Puppy Supports nvidia :P 00:58 Exio it is because peformance 00:58 WiredOnLinux Slitaz does not 00:58 Exio i have a low end (and old) nvidia gpu (rebranded) 00:58 Exio WiredOnLinux: does it include the closed drivers by default? 00:58 Exio or wth are you saying? 00:58 sokomine does anyone have experience with the intel hd4000 and similar? i'd like to know how mt performes on a celeron 555 and on an i3 with hd4000 00:59 WiredOnLinux it works so so 00:59 Exio WiredOnLinux: it is not "working or not", i mean working with the closed drivers 00:59 Exio iwork will work 00:59 Exio it will work* 01:00 Exio wtf i'm writing 01:00 WiredOnLinux yes Exio 01:00 Kacey back 01:00 Exio wtf? closed drivers by default? 01:01 Exio they are like 50 mb iirc 01:03 Exio WiredOnLinux: http://doc.slitaz.org/en:guides:xorg-xvesa 01:03 Exio To set-up the non-free nVidia drivers, use the SliTaz Hardware Configuration tool with the –non-free switch: 01:03 Exio # tazhw setup nvidia --non-free 01:04 Exio the hard way to install the closed source drivers 01:06 WiredOnLinux i have to go 01:08 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngle 01:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Agnel 01:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Angel 01:09 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel ping 01:09 Exio hey jojoa1997|Tablet 01:09 mauvebic lol RealBadAngle ? 01:09 Exio do you need help with the spanish hw? 01:09 Exio yes amuevcib 01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet yes 01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet no 01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet yes 01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet no 01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet i cant decide 01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet it s done ;) 01:10 Exio i'd say no, to the flood at least :) 01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet impersonation 01:12 mauvebic ugh, waiting on DS9 to spawn now 01:12 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel what i mean for mod support is people add there mods like inventory_plus ddidd 01:12 Exio do it other time jojoa1997|Tablet 01:12 jojoa1997|Tablet do what 01:12 Exio /nick Exio_ 01:13 Exio XD 01:13 Exio kaeza|troll* 01:14 troll hi 01:14 kaeza lol 01:14 jojoa1997 why i leave 01:15 kaeza lol 01:15 Kacey huh 01:15 Exio jojoa1997: i killed your client (it should have said a message like "you have been ghosted/killed by Exio!exio4@trekweb/user/nax" or so 01:15 jojoa1997 how 01:16 Exio /ns ghost 01:16 jojoa1997 what it using an already identified name 01:16 Exio you've used "Exio_" what is a nickname what i has registered 01:16 Exio s/has/haz/ 01:16 kaeza hmm 01:16 jojoa1997 how do i register a nick 01:16 Kacey hang on 01:16 Menche /msg NickServ help 01:16 Kacey Syntax: GHOST [password] 01:17 jojoa1997 also i am using a browser 01:17 Exio [22:17:10] freenode -- [jojoa1997] is logged in as jojoa1997 01:17 kaeza nickname 'diego' already registered 01:17 Exio you already have an account in freenode, and you are logged in it 01:17 jojoa1997 with bad connectivi......... 01:17 Exio kaeza: other use i know wanted it too :P 01:17 VanessaE there, now my minetest server/client build script can patch in luajit and make that one change to serialize.lua automatically. :-) 01:17 kaeza wot 01:18 jojoa1997 or you could do /ns help 01:18 Exio (when diego [account] was only 4 weeks or so) 01:18 kaeza Exio, your name is Diego? XD 01:18 Exio other user* 01:18 Exio nope, /whois Exio 01:18 Kacey hmmmmmmmm.... 01:19 Exio Kacey: if you want my password, you need to ask for hints 01:19 * Kacey will hack the password 01:19 Exio i will help you, is generated from data of /dev/urandom 01:19 * kaeza will hack Kacey 01:19 kaeza ...into pieces XD 01:19 Exio the password was generated* 01:19 Menche and you remember that how? 01:19 jojoa1997|Tablet guys i cant beleieve what this person said 01:19 Exio what person? 01:20 Exio Menche: what? 01:20 kaeza wut 01:20 jojoa1997|Tablet oops 01:21 Menche you can't "beleieve" what what person said? 01:26 kaeza VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76713#p76713 01:27 VanessaE sorted. 01:27 kaeza thx :) 01:27 Menche "Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated." ? 01:28 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76724#p76724 01:28 VanessaE if anyone wants. 01:28 VanessaE :) 01:28 kaeza just saw that. I think I'll follow the steps and compile from sources 01:28 kaeza (btw, 32 bits here) 01:29 kaeza I gotta try this jit stuff 01:29 VanessaE I'd make a 32-bit build if I knew how :-) 01:29 Menche add "-m32" to the CFLAGS 01:29 Menche i think 01:30 Menche and maybe "-march=i686" ? 01:30 VanessaE found it. 01:30 VanessaE http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/Cross-Compiling_Under_Linux 01:30 VanessaE this seems to explain ti 01:30 VanessaE it* 01:30 Exio it? italian? >:D 01:30 VanessaE -m32 seems to be enough 01:33 VanessaE I'll experiment later with it. 01:35 VanessaE hm, no that isn't enough either as CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS. must be a cmake thing. 01:35 Menche it's CMAKE_C_FLAGS 01:36 Menche and CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS 01:36 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#vurxgetn totally me 01:37 VanessaE Menche: nope, that isn't enough 01:37 VanessaE make clean && rm CMakeCache.txt && CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="-m32" CMAKE_C_FLAGS="-m32" cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 && make -j12 <-- still wants to use 64-bit libs. 01:37 Menche try -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="-m32" 01:37 Menche as an option to cmake 01:38 Menche and -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS="-m32" of course 01:38 VanessaE haha, that makes it go nutz :-) 01:39 VanessaE eh, screw it. 32 bit is obsolete anyway :) 01:39 VanessaE someone else can compile it for i686. 01:39 Exio -j12? 01:39 Exio what? 01:39 Exio VanessaE: what cpu do you have? 01:40 VanessaE Exio: number of threads to use during build. I have a Phenom II X6 1055T. 01:40 VanessaE 6 cores, so 12 threads. 01:40 Exio ehm 01:40 VanessaE (12 gcc threads I mean) 01:40 VanessaE I've been doing it this way for quite a while now :-) 01:40 Exio have you done 'benchmarks' with it? 01:41 VanessaE nope. 01:41 Menche i though gcc flags was supposed to be # of cores + 1 01:41 Exio can you throw a time make -j6 (and -j7) 01:41 VanessaE Menche: I learned #cores * 2. 01:41 Menche i learned #cores + 1 01:42 Exio Menche: the -jc+1 is better in low-ram systems, when you have more ram, that 'thread' can lead in a "bit slower" compiling 01:42 Menche my processor has 4 threads; i typically use -j5 01:42 Exio i use -j7 here and -j3 in the netbook(intel atom+ht) 01:42 Menche maybe i'll check it 01:42 Menche "time make -j#" 01:42 Exio VanessaE: can you try with time? i wonder what results you get with -j12 01:43 VanessaE sure. 01:43 * Menche goes off to benchmark his build 01:44 Exio Menche: what cpu, btw? 01:44 Menche core i5 01:44 Exio ah, k 01:45 Menche model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 450 @ 2.40GHz 01:45 Exio model name : AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor 01:45 VanessaE working now.. 01:45 Menche there's 4 of those entries 01:45 Menche 2 cores w/ 2 threads each 01:46 VanessaE make clean && time make -j7 01:46 VanessaE real: 1m11.100s, user: 5m41.865s, sys: 0m17.981s 01:46 VanessaE make clean && time make -j12 01:46 VanessaE real: 1m12.613s, user: 5m53.398s, sys: 0m17.833s 01:46 Exio ok 01:46 Exio nearly the same 01:46 VanessaE slightly slower with -j12, guess I should stick to -j7 then :-) 01:47 Exio real 1m21.826s 01:47 Exio with -j6 here 01:47 Exio -j7 is 1 minute + {2..5} seconds 01:47 Menche real 2m58.895s user 10m48.123s sys 0m24.703s 01:47 Menche with -j5 01:48 Exio in any case 01:48 Exio 30 minutes with -j3 in a netbook 01:48 VanessaE good to know. I wonder when that #cores * 2 rule changes? 01:48 VanessaE changed* 01:48 Exio i'd say the -j#c+1 is since... years ago 01:48 Exio at least in gentoo docs 01:49 mauvebic positronic or duotronic? 01:49 VanessaE well that'll save a few seconds on each build in the future :-) 01:50 Menche and putting "-pipe" in the CFLAGS is supposed to speed it up too 01:50 VanessaE I doubt it would in my case, all 6 cores are completely maxed out even during -j7 01:53 Menche my build was *slightly* faster with -j5 than with -j4 01:53 Menche that small of a difference probably means nothing 01:54 Exio in the netbook i got better results with -j5 01:54 Menche like 16s difference 01:54 Exio err, -j3 01:55 khonkhortisan make -j3 real 3m26.923s user 5m37.923s sys 0m22.184s, make -j4 real 4m18.619s user 5m42.481s sys 0m23.565s 01:55 Menche now trying it without -pipe 01:55 VanessaE Menche: 16 seconds isn't "nothing", that's significant. 01:55 khonkhortisan 2GB memory, two cores, -j3 faster than -j4 01:55 Menche out of 3 minutes 01:56 Menche i guess I'll stick with -j5 01:56 Exio isn't -pipe used by default in minetest? 01:56 Menche don't think so 01:56 Menche also, -O3 is used by default. that usually isn't recommended. 01:56 Menche -O2 is considered safer 01:56 Exio the -O# is not recommended because it can lead on not-working programs 01:57 Exio -O3 * 01:57 VanessaE you sure about that? 01:57 Exio if it works, i don't see why not 01:57 VanessaE (being -O3 as default) 01:57 Menche i think it's cmake's default 01:57 VanessaE last I knew there was no -O flag set by default in MT 01:57 VanessaE (except debug, which is -O1) 01:57 Menche check the default CMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE 02:00 VanessaE make clean && time make -j7 -pipe: real 1m16.808s, user 5m41.445s, sys 0m18.721s -- and a metric assload of debug spew. 02:00 Menche do you have the cmake gui? it makes configuring much easier 02:00 Menche i don't think -pipe is supposed to be passed to make 02:00 VanessaE heh, figures. 02:00 VanessaE then to what is it passed? 02:00 Menche supposed to be put in the flags to be passed to g++ 02:00 VanessaE ohhhhhh 02:00 Menche CMAKE_C_FLAGS 02:00 VanessaE CXXFLAGS="-pipe" then. 02:00 VanessaE make clean && time CXXFLAGS="-pipe" make -j7: real 1m10.018s, user 5m41.413s, sys 0m17.521s 02:01 Menche i think "cmake -DCMAKE_CXXFLAGS=-pipe" is how to set it 02:01 Menche do you have cmake gui? it makes changing variables much easier 02:01 VanessaE I've tested it before, I'm pretty sure CXXFLAGS worked too. And no, I don't 02:02 Menche it came with my distro's cmake package, on my computer it's called cmake-gui 02:02 VanessaE I prefer to do this sorta stuff from the command line 02:02 Menche or hand-edit the CMakeCache.txt 02:02 Menche works too 02:02 Exio The following NEW packages will be installed: 02:02 Exio cmake-qt-gui 02:03 VanessaE bbl, gotta run. 02:03 Menche i prefer the commandline too, but typing out one single command with all the custom options i use would be a big pain 02:03 Menche i hand-edit CMakeCache.txt usually 02:03 Menche then run cmake afterwords to regenerate the Makefiles 02:05 Menche i get 3m6s without pipe, and got 2m58s with it 02:05 Menche not a huge difference 02:05 Kacey night 02:18 khonkhortisan cmake-gui saves effort 02:22 mauvebic (part of) ds9 http://www.zimg.eu/i/2518073453 02:28 VanessaE back 02:28 Exio wb :P 02:37 VanessaE thanks 02:37 VanessaE bowled 215 and 237 this time around. 02:45 kaeza I'm getting really sick of this http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76728#p76728 02:46 kaeza why don't we just get back to MT 0.1 or whatever the first version was? 02:46 kaeza that way no one will complain about new things 02:48 VanessaE G*d damn /rollback takes forever 02:49 kaeza more griefing? D: 02:49 VanessaE yeah, "s42" griefed that red structure just south of the spawn 02:50 kaeza I wonder if it will be proper to post a list of "recurring griefers" on the forums 02:50 kaeza as a warning for server admins 02:52 * kaeza is just a bit tired and throwing silly ideas :P 02:53 VanessaE heh 02:53 VanessaE well maybe we do need some kind of list, the problem of course is that anyone can just make a new account. 02:55 kaeza yeah :/ (remember Randy/HELLO_IM_DEATH?) 02:55 Exio As a side note, I don't really care about whether a program/OS/whatever is open source. As long as I can run it without having to pay large sums of money I'm happy with it. 02:55 Exio windows is expensive as hell 02:57 Exio if i want to use windows here i have two ways 02:57 Exio cracking it, downloading "super l33t versions" what work like windows me 02:57 VanessaE wine and virtualbox ;) 02:57 Exio or buying it 02:57 Exio i use wine for PS 02:58 Exio (phase shift, game) 02:58 VanessaE actually I thought photoshop. 02:58 Exio lol 02:59 Exio i will not buy or use PS, gimp is perfect for me 02:59 Exio i don't use even half of it 03:04 NekoGloop I prefer Game Maker 8's internal image editor 03:04 Exio lol NekoGloop 03:05 Exio 8? 03:05 NekoGloop yes 03:05 Exio wait wait, when got 7 and 8 released 03:05 NekoGloop You've missed a little 03:05 NekoGloop Now it's Game Maker Studio and i think the standard package costs more than Windows 8... 03:07 kaeza NekoGloop, I'm still using 5.3 :( 03:09 Exio Master Collection $499.99 Learn more Buy now 03:09 Exio YEAH, I WILL BUY IT! 03:10 Exio that is like half of the cost of my actual computer 03:10 NekoGloop That's just export to everything under the goddamn sun. 03:11 Exio they changed the page.. a bit 03:12 NekoGloop sandbox.yoyogames.com is the older webpage 03:13 Exio Ubuntu Export No No No +$99.99 Yes 03:13 Exio wtf 03:14 NekoGloop Master Package lets you get any future Export options free. 03:14 Exio you are paying them today 03:14 Exio for the future(tm) 03:15 NekoGloop Well it used to be $399.99 for the Master Package. 03:16 NekoGloop Exio, it lets you get all the current ones on top of any additional ones. 03:16 NekoGloop Though i don't see how many more random things they can export to. 03:17 kaeza ZXSpectrum+ ? 03:17 Exio fuck, 0 am 03:17 Exio bye 03:17 kaeza cya 03:18 NekoGloop fuck, time zones 03:18 Exio Tue Mar 19 00:18:14 ART 2013 03:18 Exio now, bye 03:18 kaeza Exio, DST? 03:18 kaeza ah ok :) 03:18 kaeza nite 03:18 NekoGloop Atlantic coast right? 03:19 NekoGloop I think... 03:19 kaeza yep 03:41 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on kaeza's head 03:42 * VanessaE transfers the kitten to NekoGloop's head. 03:42 * NekoGloop sits with this face: >w< 03:42 VanessaE haha 03:43 * VanessaE turns on the kitten generator, set it to "11" and points it at NekoGloop 03:43 NekoGloop TURN IT UP TO ELEVEN!!!!!!1!!!one!!!!2!!!@!!!two!!!!eleven!!!!overninethousand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 03:43 VanessaE haha 03:44 * NekoGloop falls over from the overly poofy kittens being thrusted his way 03:45 * VanessaE turns the machine off 03:46 VanessaE I think he's sufficiently buried for the moment ;) 03:46 NekoGloop mrff 03:49 khonkhortisan This is NekoGloop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ph3eoLGf4 03:49 khonkhortisan (it was just on the tv) 03:50 VanessaE HAHAH! 03:50 * NekoGloop would so totally do that if he could get the kittens to hold still for that long 03:51 khonkhortisan just play them the nyan song, they'll be out of it 03:52 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnc_KFjU0K0 Will this work...? 03:53 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76736#p76736 03:54 VanessaE hah! win! 03:55 NekoGloop Hell, if it works go with it 03:59 khonkhortisan I should build my mesecons like that 03:59 * kaeza wonders why everyone makes creepers but nobody has made a sculpture of Sam 03:59 VanessaE sam? 04:00 VanessaE oh the minetest guy? 04:00 kaeza Sam Ain't Minecraft? 04:00 VanessaE right. good question 04:00 VanessaE go on my server and make one :D 04:00 VanessaE (put it on art ave of course) 04:01 kaeza maybe like tomorrow 04:01 kaeza *maybe* 04:01 VanessaE lazy :) 04:01 kaeza challenge considered... 04:02 VanessaE use clay blocks from the unified bricks mod, then you have plenty of colors 04:02 kaeza ah yes! you have creative :P 04:03 * kaeza needs to go in more often 04:03 * kaeza would go more often if his connection wasn't so bad 04:03 kaeza anyway, client compiled 04:03 kaeza let's see what this breaks 04:03 VanessaE lol 04:04 VanessaE using rba's/my luajit instructions? :D 04:04 kaeza aw shit 04:04 kaeza forgot to add jit :( 04:04 VanessaE relax 04:04 VanessaE you didn't waste any time 04:04 VanessaE just go grab the sources and re-link it 04:04 kaeza anyway, that's on your side 04:04 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76627#p76627 04:05 VanessaE yep I know, but useful for experimenting in singleplayer too 04:06 ShadowNinja hmm, I tried to call a nil function but this time minetest segfaulted 04:09 ShadowNinja and again, with a different lua error 04:13 VanessaE time for bed. Night all. 04:14 VanessaE kaeza: if you build Sam, keep him over by Art Ave of course. 04:14 kaeza oh fuck 04:14 kaeza this thing is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast 04:14 kaeza :D 04:16 kaeza I can even go at full speed and never touch the map edges 04:17 twenty4 what is it? 04:20 mauvebic does luajit make a speed diff for add nodes? 04:20 kaeza1 twenty4, LuaJit 04:20 twenty4 ok 04:28 khonkhortisan LuaJIT 04:29 khonkhortisan a 2x to 10x speed improvement with that is more impressive than a 0x to 5x node reduction with 6d facedir 04:29 khonkhortisan "I can even go at full speed and never touch the map edges" is all I need to hear 04:41 * ShadowNinja flys fast in a new world, mapgen keeps up easily :-) 04:53 hmmmm map generation is quite fast at the moment 04:53 hmmmm the problem, i feel, is the block sending 04:55 hmmmm i wish we had something like minecraft where the client has all blocks in some large, square radius, of which more blocks on the edge get sent to the client every movement so there is never a point where you don't see the map ahead of you 04:56 hmmmm but i can't tell if that should be my next big project or finishing up mapgen v7. 04:58 mauvebic wouldnt mind being able to load a cubic km into view :-) 04:59 hmmmm spring break is coming up soon, so i should be able to get a lot done 04:59 mauvebic US spring break? 05:00 mauvebic think they already had theirs here 05:00 hmmmm my school has spring break at least a week later than everybody else, it seems 05:00 mauvebic makes sense then 05:10 BrandonReese I just recompiled with LuaJIT. Map generation with moretrees seems faster, and item drop seems faster too. I think I'll install mobf and try it. 05:18 kaeza time for bed. night all 07:12 v2px moin 07:13 v2px I can't get minetest compiled with gles, can someone give me a hint on how to do it? 09:01 LMfails This is what happened the last time LandMine griefed spawn: http://imgur.com/a/ilWJc 09:01 LMfails He started building a castle now, pretending his griefing days are behind him. 09:01 LMfails I found the castle. 09:01 LMfails New Spawn Land Village was griefed. 09:02 LMfails I will make sure he did it. 09:02 LMfails And when I do, I will give access to each and every inhabitant of NSL village to his castle 09:03 LMfails Oh and for those that know what I'm talking about, chatman seems to have been building with him. He is a traitor. Probably the one who revealed the location of NSL village 09:04 LMfails He, Bad_Command, and 222jkm may become secondary targets depending on how responsible for this and other griefs they are. 09:05 LMfails This has been the third public service announcement of the Revolution. Thank you. 09:08 ironzorg I love how minetest server turn into second life, sometimes 09:24 proller v2px, compile irrlicht first - http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48287 09:33 celeron55 maybe there should be a "possible griefer detector" in the minetest server that would make any publicly listed server report on this channel (via a message collecting thing on the master server) if the server thinks somebody might be griefing 8) 09:34 celeron55 ...well, that system could be griefed pretty badly; probably a bad idea 09:34 celeron55 really the only thing that will work is a wiki-style edit history with easy rollbacks 09:35 v2px proller: I did now, then how do I tell minetest where the compiled libIrrlicht is? 09:37 proller -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR=yourirrglessrc 09:37 proller cmake -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR=yourirrglessrc . 09:39 proller but first try compile and run IRRLICHT/examples 09:39 v2px thanks 09:40 v2px the examples fail :/ 09:41 v2px ah but the library path in the makefile is wrong 09:49 proller on my odroid 13.RenderToTexture runs, but with black screen, and minetest too 09:51 v2px proller: the irrlicht source file structure is so confusing 09:52 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 09:53 v2px hey PilzAdam 10:10 v2px proller: do I need this patch? 10:10 Guest73272 ? 10:11 proller v2px, if you can build irrlicht with egl - no 10:33 v2px . 10:34 celeron55 umm 10:36 v2px thanks 10:59 v2px proller: can you make any sense out of this? /home/v2px/work/minetest/src/main.cpp:1360:16: error: ‘EDT_OGLES2’ is not a member of ‘irr::video’ 11:02 proller v2px, wrong headers from non-egl irr ? 11:03 v2px yeah looks like it always wants to use the one installed globally 11:04 proller -DIRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR 11:06 v2px oh.. 11:06 v2px I was missing the dash 11:21 celeron55 the cmake build system is kind of wonky in that kind of stuff 11:21 celeron55 it's best to delete CMakeCache.txt before doing a different build 11:22 celeron55 then do cmake . -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR=foo will set everything 11:22 celeron55 otherwise it'll use the previously determined (no matter how) values 11:22 celeron55 -do 11:40 v2px I now have it compiled but it doesn't start at all 11:40 v2px *sigh* 11:41 v2px man all I want to do is to play minetest on my arm netbook :/ 11:52 proller irr examples works ? 11:57 celeron55 it's pretty much a fact that if you can get an irrlicht example to work and the platform has pthreads available, minetest will work on it 11:57 celeron55 otherwise, no 8) 11:57 celeron55 applies both ways 12:10 v2px i can't get the examples to compile because the makefile looks for something called GLES_CM in a already configured path (OGLESLIBS := -L$(HOME)/irrlicht/SDKPackage-ogles1/Builds/OGLES/LinuxPC/Lib -lGLES_CM) that's in the Makefile 12:11 v2px why would they want to do something like this? 12:11 v2px and what is it? 12:11 v2px I'm more and more confused 12:14 v2px And I'm beginning to hate all this 12:16 celeron55 building stuff is kind of an endurance sport 12:17 celeron55 for sanity 12:18 v2px so where do I get this tree? SDKPackage-ogles1/Builds/OGLES/whatever? 12:19 TTC-Gambit hello 12:19 TTC-Gambit sorry, I forgot I was on here 12:21 proller v2px, do you use branch https://irrlicht.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/irrlicht/branches/ogl-es/ ? 12:22 v2px yes 12:22 proller ah, GLES_CM may be symlink 12:23 proller libGLES_CM.so -> libGLESv1_CM.so.1 12:23 proller look at your /usr/lib 12:24 v2px no gles libs ther 12:24 v2px e 12:27 proller google them for your hardware 12:28 v2px ah 12:28 v2px found them in /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/mesa-egl/libGLESv2.so.2 12:28 v2px but v1? humm 12:28 v2px ah it's there too 12:29 v2px so I should link libGLES_CM.so to the v1 one? 12:33 v2px omg it compiled a test 12:50 STHGOM howe! 13:04 Kacey morning 13:06 STHGOM morning 13:06 STHGOM :D http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5108 13:07 STHGOM going to have fun on this one :D 13:08 whirm STHGOM: looking good :) 13:09 STHGOM :D 13:12 STHGOM anyone want to play with me? 13:12 STHGOM mt.bremaweb.com 32000 13:13 STHGOM uh-oh 13:13 STHGOM laggy 13:13 STHGOM :( 13:17 STHGOM 3:15 13:18 Kacey bbl 13:20 STHGOM thats weired... right after you join the lag is very little, but it increases quickly... 13:22 STHGOM hi 13:23 STHGOM hi 13:27 STHGOM hi 13:35 STHGOM is anyone here BrandonReese?\ 13:39 STHGOM OldCoder: are you open for more servers? 14:14 v2px so... now I linked my minetest binary to my gles irrlicht library and it only says "No OpenGL support compiled in." yeah. of course not. but can I have my gles now please? 14:15 PilzAdam video_driver in minetest.conf 14:15 PilzAdam (so its v"ideo_driver = gles" or similiar) 14:17 celeron55 v2px: if it ends up working, a short howto in http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest would be very appreciated by many people 14:18 v2px PilzAdam: that doesn't seem to work at all 14:18 v2px celeron55: I will keep that in mind 14:20 v2px where can I find a list of available video drivers? 14:20 v2px It just prints "Invalid video-driver specified" for everything I try 14:21 PilzAdam minetest.conf.example just says: "# Possible values: null, software, burningsvideo, direct3d8, direct3d9, opengl" 14:21 v2px Yep, I saw that one 14:21 PilzAdam look at main.cpp:1353 14:21 PilzAdam "ogles1" and "ogles2" 14:22 v2px ah thanks 14:22 STHGOM cya 14:23 v2px It doesn't recognize ogles1 and ogles2 fails with "Unable to create video driver of unknown type" ... 14:23 PilzAdam do you have the correct irrlicht version? 14:24 v2px I compiled one from the ogles branch 14:24 v2px which was a really annoying thing to do 14:31 troller v2px, did you compile and test irr examples with this drivers? 14:31 troller they ask on strart about driver 14:49 realbadangel_ ogres? we are going to have ogres in mt? ;) 14:50 PilzAdam realbadangel_, minetest already has ogres support 14:51 realbadangel_ i never met them tho 14:51 PilzAdam oh 14:52 realbadangel_ :) 14:54 bas080 Hey people, i noticed when changing some textures that drawtype plantlike textures has a darker tone then nodes texture 14:54 hmmmm so when is minetest getting creepers? 14:54 PilzAdam never 14:54 hmmmm this minecraft clone suuuuuuuuux 14:55 bas080 will send screenshot. one sec 14:59 v2px proller: the tests are showing a driver selection menu on start alright but the first two entries don't have a name 15:00 bas080 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/419967/Plants/Screenshot%20-%2003192013%20-%2003%3A59%3A19%20PM.png <<< plantlike is darker then node texture although it uses the same texture 15:00 v2px oh, now. only one test didn;t work 15:01 v2px proller: both, the es2 and es1 drivers produce the output "Unable to create video driver of unknown type." 15:01 v2px :/ 15:01 PilzAdam are you sure that the correct irrlicht version is linked? 15:03 v2px pretty sure yep 15:24 PilzAdam yay! Unicorns @ github.com 15:35 Limux_ Why is 0gb.us server down? 15:38 jojoa1997|Tablet he is having problems 15:39 Limux_ Thanks 15:39 jojoa1997|Tablet something about the server blocking incoming traffic but ha has port forewarded to 2 machines alreafdy 15:40 Limux_ thats bad 15:43 Limux_ gtg 15:46 khonkhortisan When a signal is on the z axis, a movestone moves forward when the signal is on its right. When a signal is on the x axis, a movestone moves forward when the signal is on its left. This screams inconsistency to me 15:46 khonkhortisan If I want to make a mesecon spin in a circle, I have to put wires both on the outside and on the inside of the path 15:56 OldCoder Hi 15:56 OldCoder Tell STHGOM yes but not for two months 15:56 OldCoder He is gone; will somebody relay this? 15:58 khonkhortisan so "yes but not for two months" or not for two months, "yes"? 16:07 Jordach ahh, the joys of updating 16:11 Jordach FUCK 16:12 Jordach I AM NOT INSTALLING NVIDIA CURRENT 16:12 PilzAdam install nvidia-current-updates 16:13 Jordach PilzAdam, cant use anything other than driver 97 as my gpu goes fucking mental (can ONLY RUN MINETEST ONCE!) 16:17 Traxie21 Help please 16:22 Jordach Traxie21, hm? 16:22 Traxie21 I have a bit of a problem 16:22 Traxie21 I'm restructuring ServerExtended to use a modpack format 16:23 Jordach hm? 16:23 Jordach anyways, i'm going to be busy 16:23 Traxie21 Well, one file, api.lua 16:23 Traxie21 is needed by several of the mods 16:23 Traxie21 and I can't figure out how to allow it to be loaded before all of them 16:23 Traxie21 so far, it kind of works, kind of dosnt 16:23 Jordach Traxie21, add depends.txt >> ServerExtendedAPI 16:24 Jordach to all folders / mods (in folders) that need it 16:24 Traxie21 Done 16:24 Traxie21 depends.txt looks like this: 16:24 Traxie21 se_api 16:24 Jordach say: a,b and c use SE, so depends.txt must be in all of them: SE 16:24 Jordach Traxie21, yes, that'll work 16:25 Traxie21 yet with se_gui and se_ranks, I get attempt to index field ? when loading 16:25 Jordach Traxie21, make a global function for it 16:25 Traxie21 the ? is a se_api function 16:25 Traxie21 done 16:25 Jordach Traxie21, like how stairs and ore gen do so 16:25 Traxie21 hmm 16:26 Traxie21 isnt that just function? 16:26 Jordach Traxie21, NO 16:26 Jordach function is relative to the mod 16:26 Traxie21 or am I reading the stairsplus wrong 16:26 Jordach Traxie21, i meant the original stairs mod 16:27 Traxie21 a function in a table..? 16:27 Traxie21 serverextended = {} 16:27 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/stairs/init.lua#L4 16:27 Jordach Traxie21, yes 16:27 Traxie21 serverextended.load_player_data() 16:28 Traxie21 CRAP 16:28 Traxie21 that means I have to go through about 10 files and change it, just to see if it works x_x 16:31 Traxie21 ok... 16:31 Traxie21 Now it gets, error indexing field se. 16:32 Traxie21 Do I need to initialize the table in each init.lua? 16:32 Traxie21 Oops 16:33 Traxie21 Actual error is attempt to call field load_player_data (a nil value) 16:33 Calinou :mark_shuttleworth: 16:33 Calinou IRC needs smilies. 16:33 Traxie21 Cal 16:33 Jordach Calinou, let's make a client then :P) 16:33 Traxie21 You wrote stairsplus right? 16:33 Calinou hi 16:33 Calinou yeah 16:33 Traxie21 How do you make functions that can be called from other mods? 16:34 Calinou by not putting a "something." prefix 16:34 Calinou register_stair() and not moreblocks.register_stair() 16:34 Calinou and not using too many "local" vars too :P 16:34 Traxie21 soo 16:34 Traxie21 exactly what I was originally doing. 16:34 Traxie21 and I just changed it to se.load_player_data() 16:35 Traxie21 jordach said to do it like this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/stairs/init.lua#L4 16:37 mauvebic ugh, another snowstorm 16:37 mauvebic id like to meet the guy who thought it was a good idea to start digging in the snow and call it Canada lol 16:37 Traxie21 WIn 16:38 Traxie21 Calinou: Little help? 16:39 Traxie21 Anyone: Little help here please? 16:39 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: I have updated my bucket branch 16:39 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, great, I will look at it later 16:41 PilzAdam Calinou, I want to push stonebricks upstream now, can you add aliases accordingly to moreblocks and post a notice in the forum? 16:43 proller PilzAdam, adn underground springs! 16:43 Traxie21 guys 16:44 Traxie21 How does one make a function that can be accessed both directions from other mods? 16:44 proller ShadowNinja, you enable moving infinity water source in bucket by default ? 16:44 PilzAdam proller, I am not happy that the setting for it is in minetest.conf and not in map_meta.txt 16:44 proller its very dangerous for lava 16:45 proller PilzAdam, ok, will fix 16:45 PilzAdam proller, maybe ask hmmmm to add a (read-only) access to map meta.txt in Lua 16:45 PilzAdam something like minetest.map_settings_get() 16:45 proller ok 16:46 khonkhortisan yes! We need mods to know about map_meta.txt 16:46 proller PilzAdam, or enable for all by default without option 8) 16:46 PilzAdam proller, that could work too 16:47 proller i think nobody will disable it 16:48 VanessaE hi all 16:48 Traxie21 hi nessa 16:49 Jordach anyone here played Mirrors Edge? 16:50 Traxie21 How does one make a function that can be accessed both directions from other mods? 16:51 VanessaE Traxie21: just give it a useful, unique name and make sure your mod is loaded before the others. 16:51 Traxie21 done that 16:51 Traxie21 anddd 16:51 Traxie21 dosnt work 16:51 Traxie21 even with depends.txt set 16:51 VanessaE weird. well, look at how I did plants_lib. It's technically "wrong" by some peoples' view, but it works 16:51 Traxie21 I did it in a table 16:52 Traxie21 and without it 16:53 Traxie21 Gahh, I gtg 16:55 VanessaE seeya then 16:55 VanessaE in the meantime, when you return 16:55 VanessaE look carefully at how moretrees and plants_lib play together (or plants_lib and any of the other three mods shipped with it) 16:56 VanessaE imho, that ^^^^^ is the proper way for external mods to talk to one another 16:57 VanessaE also bear in mind that if A depends on B via depends.txt, A can access B's functions right away, but B can't access A's functions until it has been loaded, so you may need a minetest.after event or some other way to delay the first access of A's function until you can be sure it's available. 16:57 Traxie21 NVM, I trolled myself 16:58 Traxie21 Thanks for the help though 17:01 VanessaE I tried :) 17:11 celeron55 v2px: lol 17:11 celeron55 v2px: you can't configure minetest to use es1 or es2 as-is 17:11 celeron55 v2px: you need to add them to main.cpp:1353 17:12 celeron55 oh somebody already said it 17:12 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1353 17:12 PilzAdam you mean like this? 17:12 VanessaE Calinou: Is it possible for that circular saw you merged in to automagically catch all other stairsplus registrations? e.g. gloopblocks, technic, et.al that also use stairsplus 17:13 celeron55 apparently that was added then since i last pulled 8) 17:14 VanessaE Calinou: also, some moreblocks' nodes are still making it into creative inv: jungle tree, sandstone, regular tree 17:15 PilzAdam also junglewood is added upstream 17:17 VanessaE PilzAdam: what's the list of nodenames again for the jungletree stuff? I may as well make some changes to moretrees to use them 17:17 PilzAdam junglewood, junglesapling, jungleleaves, jungletrees 17:18 Traxie21 Has the cURL http request thingy been merged yet?? 17:18 VanessaE ok. 17:18 Traxie21 nvm 17:18 Traxie21 someone hurry up and merge that :I 17:39 Jordach i just found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=6v3L5wNTtms 17:40 iqualfragile hey, can someone update me? what happened lately? 17:41 PilzAdam iqualfragile, heavy development: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master and https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commits/master 17:41 PilzAdam *heavy 17:42 iqualfragile well, i hoped someone could summarise it but im allright with reading throught the changelogs 17:42 iqualfragile brb reading changelogs 17:42 PilzAdam http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog 17:42 PilzAdam ^ summed up version 17:44 Calinou [suggestion for admins] how 'bout a "Skins" section on forum is created? 17:44 PilzAdam Calinou, can I push these stonebricks now? 17:44 Calinou PilzAdam: ok 17:44 Jordach Calinou, problem; we some way of intergrating them 17:45 Calinou what will be the name of the node? default:stone_bricks? 17:45 khonkhortisan aw, I was using the output slots for ores I haven't smelted yet 17:46 PilzAdam Calinou, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/467e2029e220f1a90aef2c04468a6de95089c107 17:46 PilzAdam default:stonebrick 17:47 Jordach Calinou, whats the work for when a ISP slows you down? 17:47 Jordach word 17:47 VanessaE throttle 17:47 PilzAdam Calinou, also alias junglewood 17:47 Jordach thanks VanessaE 17:48 Traxie21 So cobble is now stonebrick? 17:49 VanessaE Traxie21: just the texture, real cobble gets a new texture 17:49 Traxie21 oh oke :D 17:49 VanessaE PilzAdam: suggestion: mossy cobble is too saturated 17:49 PilzAdam I know 17:49 VanessaE it looks more like "radioactive cobble" :) 17:50 PilzAdam feel free to suggest better textures 17:50 VanessaE I just did :P 17:50 PilzAdam I just took the ones from the almost MC pack 17:51 VanessaE merge my 16px HDX in as the default textures :D 17:51 VanessaE (ducks and runs) 17:51 Calinou "Junglewood"... :| 17:52 Calinou should be "Jungle Wood" :P 17:52 Traxie21 Ahh 17:52 Traxie21 The sweet sound of no bugs! 17:54 Dante123 Hi all. Grade 3 teacher here.....using minetest with my class......do any companies offer webhosting for reasonable fee? 17:54 Traxie21 web hosting? 17:54 Traxie21 There's free web hosts, for websites 17:55 Dante123 I meant to host mine test server 17:56 VanessaE for that you will need a VPS 17:56 Traxie21 Yeah 17:56 Traxie21 And those aint free 17:56 VanessaE yeah 17:56 Traxie21 which sucks, because I want to host a MT server 17:57 Dante123 Yes, how much will that cost? Any feasible companies you recommend? 17:57 Dante123 Reasonable 17:57 Jordach Dante123, there is the possibility of using a class computer and connecting it to that 17:57 Dante123 Damn spell check 17:57 Jordach via the School local area connection 17:57 Jordach all they need is the IP address, which can be found through control panel > network connections (windows systems) 17:58 Dante123 We have been doing that, but would like something for 'after hours'....so kids can work at home 17:58 Dante123 Otherwise very limited time for going on server at school 17:59 Jordach Dante123, hmmm 17:59 Jordach Dante123, i'll have a talk with OldCoder; he's running 17 Worlds on a Amazon AWS Server 18:00 Traxie21 OldCoder eh? 18:00 Jordach Dante123, Amazon AWS Free is FREE, but if you go over your small limits, you start to pay for your need 18:00 Traxie21 I can has oldcoder pl0x? 18:00 Jordach Traxie21, depends if he's about 18:00 Traxie21 I know 18:01 Traxie21 I just need somewhere to test ServerExtended, this laptop is kinda ehh.. well... ya know 18:01 Jordach Dante123, another choice would be http://chunkhost.com but this requires FB 18:01 Dante123 My concern is that no one else can 'vandalize' what the kids make/do 18:01 Jordach Dante123, keep the IP Address a secret 18:01 Dante123 So would want private 18:01 Jordach Dante123, eg, you could have something like: thisaddressis.secret.school.com 18:02 Jordach as long it is not announced, nobody can find out 18:02 rubenwardy hi all 18:03 Dante123 That would work. But I have 22 students....I need idea about costs 18:03 Dante123 If we went over limits etc 18:04 Jordach Dante123, oldcoders worlds are usually very busy 18:04 Dante123 Chunkhost requires fb? 18:05 Jordach Dante123, it's free, while it requires facebook 18:05 Jordach VanessaE, PilzAdam: http://ompldr.org/vaHRkZw/cobblestone.zip 18:05 Jordach two textures 18:05 Dante123 So users logging in must have Facebook? 18:05 Jordach Dante123, no, the server admin must 18:05 PilzAdam Jordach, that is stonebrick and not cobblestone 18:06 Jordach PilzAdam, some people think cobble is like that 18:06 Dante123 Well I could try that.....recess almost over....will look into this more later 18:06 Jordach I consider stone brick to be more like breezeblocks than cobble 18:06 Jordach Dante123, okay 18:06 Dante123 Thanks 18:07 Traxie21 ChunkHost is at capacity 18:07 Jordach Traxie21, that's the problem with free vps' 18:08 Jordach theyre either full or have hidden catches 18:08 Traxie21 yeppers 18:08 iqualfragile https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/e3badd7062d4bee62335cf100f3f91ef4c370aae why are some abm in the engine and some in the script? 18:08 iqualfragile speed? 18:11 VanessaE to me, cobblestone is mostly like what pilzadam just put in - randomly-shaped small stones mortared or grouted together. 18:11 * Jordach sets off gameshow buzzer 18:11 Jordach WRONG 18:12 Jordach where would the mortar come from? 18:12 iqualfragile PilzAdam: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/548 could that get merged in? 18:13 mauvebic pokes vanessae http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76920#p76920 18:13 PilzAdam has anyone a good sound for lavacooling? 18:14 Jordach PilzAdam, a good sort of rapid cooling sound, like a ssssssssssssssssssss..... 18:14 PilzAdam yes 18:14 Jordach PilzAdam, go make some fire and put it out with water 18:14 Jordach thats the sound you probably want 18:15 PilzAdam /give PilzAdam fire:basic_flame 18:15 PilzAdam aw, damn, I dont have privs to do that... 18:16 khonkhortisan it should be a quick sound so you can have many of them 18:17 VanessaE brb 18:17 iqualfragile bk 18:17 iqualfragile that are quite some changes… 18:19 Jordach huh, ive stopped being throttled 18:19 Jordach hehehehehehe, for some reason my connection gets faster when im using spotify 18:20 * Jordach leaves it running 18:20 khonkhortisan maybe you've tripped the important packet wire 18:21 Jordach khonkhortisan, my ISP supports people who use it 18:21 Jordach it used to be 10kb/s for UDP, now 400kb/s 18:27 mauvebic http://ompldr.org/vaHRkdQ/map.png <- battlestar on the ground and DS9 in orbit lol 18:34 * Jordach has solved another problem: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76776#p76776 18:44 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, the buckets work fine 18:44 mauvebic prounounced 'bouquet' 18:44 PilzAdam except one bug: take a bucket from the creative inv and try to place the water 18:44 PilzAdam it will crash because there is no metedata saved 18:44 mauvebic cant catch it? 18:44 PilzAdam I will fix it 18:45 mauvebic i can never remember if empty metas return nil or '' lol 18:46 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, I will take LIQUID_MAX when not metadata is set for the bucket, ok? 18:47 PilzAdam also, do we want all the buckets in the creative inv? 18:47 mauvebic full buckets? 18:47 mauvebic seems wasteful if you can get the liquid nodes themselves 18:47 khonkhortisan a creative bucket should stay full 18:47 mauvebic 1 full bucket per liquid type? 18:47 khonkhortisan stay-full water, stay-full lava, and regular bucket 18:48 mauvebic i have like 4-5 extra liquids 18:48 khonkhortisan buckets are better than liquids at removing liquids 18:48 mauvebic empty buckets yeah 18:50 PilzAdam so, Ill remove the full buckets from the creative inv 18:50 mauvebic well yeah, you can pull water and lava in their pure form w/o it 18:51 PilzAdam also the liquid_finite code we have in the engine is... strange 18:51 PilzAdam you need to place 16 full water blocks to get a 2x1x2 whole filled 18:52 mauvebic :/ 18:52 mauvebic should kinda be like mese crystals were you need certain amount of small units of water to get a block 18:53 mauvebic though kinda feel funny using an eyedropper to fill a hole lol 18:57 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, so I push it when you are ok with using LIQUID_MAX if no metadata is found and removing the full buckets from creative inv 19:00 PilzAdam oh, and what about chaning the usage of buckets accoring to this: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4340 ? 19:00 PilzAdam (leftclick pickup, rightclick place) 19:00 Exio ++ 19:01 Traxie21 ServerExtended 0.5-pre2-Unstable released! 19:01 Traxie21 God, thats a long version 19:03 thexyz > there are only a few people on IRC at one time 19:04 thexyz > and those are mostly the same most of the time 19:08 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commits/bucket_flowing 19:14 bull3trulz hey guys 19:23 mauvebic wow, quite an uproar over lava lol reminds me of mese shards 19:23 thexyz why can't those guys just comment the fucking line out if they don't like the change? 19:23 thexyz or, well, two lines 19:24 mauvebic or write a simple mod for volcanos/under-sea vents, (where lava really comes from) lol 19:24 PilzAdam because people like to complain about everything 19:24 VanessaE beeee..cause they'd have to make that same change every single time they upgrade? 19:24 khonkhortisan under-sea vents would be nice, lava coming up through water and through cooled lava 19:24 Exio i don't like to complain about everything, everything you are doing is wrong and WE NEED THAT OLD THING BACK 19:24 mauvebic yeah i saw the last post and casimir really piled on every other change he doesn't agree with lol (no relation to lava) 19:25 VanessaE stack up enough "just comment out that line"'s and it gets stupid. Personally I don't much care if lava is infinite or not. 19:26 mauvebic me neither if anything i found sources connecting to make more sources just annoying and disastrous 19:27 VanessaE but for some stuff, perhaps finite lava included, there should be a config option. set it once and forget about it. 19:27 Exio random git question, does anyone know a way to revert any local commit? 19:27 mauvebic though if i cared i'd make springs/volcanos and such 19:27 khonkhortisan git reset --hard HEAD^ 19:27 Exio without having to re-download the whole repo? 19:27 khonkhortisan that's a destructive change, you lose your changes. 19:27 khonkhortisan or git checkout 19:28 thexyz VanessaE: they'd have to make that same change every single time they upgrade? < really? 19:28 Exio i have some commits from months ago, weeks ago and yesterday with stuff what i don't want atm 19:28 thexyz then they update wrong 19:28 Exio thexyz: because git add .;git commit -m "local change: renewable lava"; is hard 19:29 thexyz really? 19:29 VanessaE remember your audience. 19:29 thexyz oh, yes 19:29 VanessaE how many MT users even know how to edit a file? 19:29 VanessaE s/MT/computer/ 19:29 mauvebic if they wanted something brain-dead simple they'd buy MC 19:30 thexyz which doesn't allow to modify anything 19:30 mauvebic if youre just broke and want something free you expect it to require a little more elbow grease 19:30 thexyz and, therefore, is more simple 19:30 thexyz (reference: Apple) 19:30 Exio ha, perfect reference 19:31 mauvebic besides most of our users are obviously linux users, if they dont know how to edit files they're using the wrong OS lol 19:31 Exio and outside that, minetest.conf 19:31 thexyz not "most" 19:31 Exio is already a file what you need to edit 19:31 VanessaE mauvebic: I'm not so sure about that 19:32 mauvebic well everytime theres a informal polling, most people say linux anyhow (maybe win users are underrepped) 19:32 PilzAdam I generally dislike adding settings for minetest_game to minetest.cinf 19:32 Calinou misa's pack update: dungeon master texture, slightly improved sheep, obsidian and obsidian shards, renamed stone brick and jungle wood textures, screwdriver and circular saw textures added 19:32 PilzAdam *conf 19:33 Calinou also updated moreblocks: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76947#p76947 19:33 thexyz well, we can have config.lua.dist/config.lua, as I suggested 19:33 PilzAdam Calinou, nice! 19:33 thexyz but I'd prefer those guys just to shut up 19:33 VanessaE Calinou: read your pm's :) 19:33 thexyz & hack 19:33 Calinou saw your post 19:33 Calinou for the 1), dunno, probably not unfortunately, need to fix this later 19:34 Calinou 2) is fixed 19:34 VanessaE ok 19:34 VanessaE 1 would be a major plus 19:34 Calinou misa's pack has 1724 textures, not counting alternate textures :D 19:34 VanessaE then we could have stairs for things like wool or other large-node-count mods without bloating out the creative inv. 19:35 PilzAdam how many people use the "Old Mese" mod? 19:35 Calinou 24 19:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: probably 1 :D 19:35 Calinou 25 now, VanessaE started using it 19:35 khonkhortisan mesecons works with either mese 19:35 VanessaE old mese? eh? 19:35 khonkhortisan I think 19:35 PilzAdam its basically the same with finite lava 19:36 PilzAdam everyone shouts now and in 2 days they dont care 19:36 PilzAdam +anymore 19:36 mauvebic thats because theyve moved on to the next change :p 19:36 VanessaE because 2 days after the argument, maybe they figure their opinion no longer matters? 19:37 VanessaE (nevermind whether it does or not, just that they may think so) 19:37 mauvebic though most friction is diff. people pulling the game in different directions 19:37 Traxie21 That strange moment when you realize that your opinion dosn't matter 19:38 mauvebic it does but it cant be the only one 19:38 Exio 7todo add in 3days "SHOUT AT PILZADAM BECAUSE LAVA" 19:38 Exio oops 19:38 VanessaE haha 19:38 khonkhortisan programming is a mix of democracy and multi-headed dictatorship 19:39 * PilzAdam puts not renewable lava on Exio's head 19:39 ShadowNinja is there any way to relay access to a variable through a function in lua? I know you can do this in php 19:39 Exio hehe 19:39 mauvebic democracy can be a mixed blessing: in countries with proportional rep, majorities are much rarer 19:40 VanessaE mauvebic: and then you have the US, with its bastardized system :D 19:40 ShadowNinja for example myvar.x calls getmyvar(x) 19:40 mauvebic well you got two parties with the same financing :P 19:40 VanessaE heh 19:40 ShadowNinja er "x" 19:40 Calinou have to go, bye 19:40 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, have you looked at my changes to the buckets? 19:40 mauvebic though id be ignorant if i thought our parties here were all funded by the same entities that stand to benefit from it 19:40 Calinou Traxie21: since when mauvebic's opinions matter? this is not new 8) 19:41 Calinou "thou shalt not listen to P4 owners" -- comment of octaedit.cpp 19:41 Traxie21 I know my opinions dont matter :3 19:41 Traxie21 And I've learned to deal with it XD 19:41 Calinou (before the line "don't clean this up") 19:41 mauvebic havent used the p4 for MT in 9 mos now 19:41 khonkhortisan 33333333 -> 44444444 = 44444494 19:41 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: no, where are they? 19:41 mauvebic then suddenly when i upgrade people start bitching about performance and voxels lol 19:42 Calinou recycle it mauvebic! by overclocking it to 6ghz and using it to heat your room 19:42 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commits/bucket_flowing 19:42 PilzAdam dont you read the logs? 19:42 mauvebic the P4 is basically a tv now lol 19:43 ShadowNinja well all you changed is making it use rightclick, but yes I prefer it that way 19:43 thexyz ShadowNinja: metatable __index property 19:43 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, also that if no metadata is found it uses LIQUID_MAX 19:44 ShadowNinja I hear sapier is disabling metatables for security 19:44 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76951#p76951 19:44 VanessaE new ubuntu build w/LuaJIT 19:44 thexyz ShadowNinja: there's no other way 19:44 PilzAdam and that the buckets with water and lava arent in creative inv 19:44 khonkhortisan I wrote a bash script to make move luajit remove minetest* make again 19:45 PilzAdam VanessaE, also, I tested LuaJit and cant really notice any performance increase 19:45 PilzAdam (tested with mapgen, carts and mesecons) 19:45 mauvebic was gonna ask, does luajit speed up add nodes? (for worldeditors) 19:45 Traxie21 PilzAdam, the father of controversy 19:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: others have tested it and have concluded that it is faster. 19:46 PilzAdam mauvebic, the function call itself not, but the loops 19:46 Traxie21 Heh 19:46 mauvebic well i have loops that run in 10x billions lol 19:46 PilzAdam VanessaE, that might be, I dont do professional benchmarking here 19:46 Traxie21 I don't know a duck about C++, but would it be possible to have a config option to use normal lua OR luaJIT? 19:46 mauvebic ds9's loop is 1929781125 iterations lol 19:46 PilzAdam but some people say that they really notice speed improvement 19:47 PilzAdam and I cant say that 19:47 thexyz Traxie21: LuaJIT shouldn't be worse 19:47 VanessaE it depends on what mods you run and what you do in your game 19:47 Traxie21 Pilz, Try with one of parmats mods, see how much faster it is 19:47 Traxie21 thexyz, ok 19:47 thexyz so there is no point in leaving Lua 19:47 Traxie21 Just to satisfy adam XD 19:48 mauvebic though, when youre doing alot of add nodes, do you need to pace 'em? 19:48 BlindBanana why not a compiletime option for lua or luajit? 19:49 khonkhortisan I think that hasn't been done yet 19:49 mauvebic well if it does work why not default? 19:49 PilzAdam mauvebic, this would increase performance: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/57d3b3d07aa12257b389cd8c4b6dc4550a6c95ea 19:49 VanessaE BlindBanana: the build script I developed for my server has that feature, by way of commenting out one line 19:49 khonkhortisan luajit works, but a make clean; make will replace it with lua again 19:50 mauvebic pilzadam to could set entire cuboids at a time 19:50 mauvebic ? 19:50 PilzAdam yea 19:50 VanessaE worldedit could sure use THAT 19:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: how about a replace function also? 19:50 mauvebic me too 19:50 PilzAdam it is something about 7 times faster than pure Lua 19:50 VanessaE something like minetest.env:replace_nodes(minp, maxp, oldnode, newnode) 19:51 mauvebic though, both we and multinode would need new map formats (easily doable) 19:51 thexyz PilzAdam: we need voxelmanipulator, not crude hacks ^^ 19:51 VanessaE or that. 19:51 mauvebic builtin would be faster 19:52 mauvebic im already at 3 map formats :/ 19:52 mauvebic should be a better way lol 19:53 mauvebic being able to move chunks from map to map 19:53 kaeza greetings 19:53 VanessaE mauvebic: +100000 19:53 VanessaE hey kaeza 19:53 kaeza hey V 19:54 khonkhortisan woah! 19:54 VanessaE ? 19:54 mauvebic set_node_area( <- would work nicely with binvox files 19:54 khonkhortisan I placed dirt on the ground, did a //stack y 1000, went up there, and leaves popped up! Silly moretrees! 19:54 VanessaE lol 19:55 mauvebic thats the mapgen :P happens to me 19:55 khonkhortisan went up, went back down, pulled some dark lighting with me 19:56 mauvebic shadows are a problem with world editing/spawning stuff 19:56 VanessaE mauvebic: select a huge area around/above/below the shadows and //fixlight 19:57 mauvebic yeah thats one way though ideally if you could suspend or skip the lighting/param1 update in the first place the shadows wouldnt be created? 19:57 VanessaE yeah, that would be faster, though I dunno that I'd call it "better" 19:58 mauvebic well youd have to pass it as a paramter so it doesn't happen in every case 19:58 mauvebic but worldediting, spawning bins', dont always want lighting updates 20:01 mauvebic even weirder is some spots are intensely bright day/night when doing ^^ 20:05 * Jordach will probably upgrade minetest when a new version comes out 20:06 mauvebic shadows at Y + 22K http://www.zimg.eu/i/2233640083 20:06 Jordach FUCK 20:07 mauvebic yeah that sob is huge at 1.245km diam. lol been spawning since last night 20:07 mauvebic and doing //fixlight aint practical lol 20:14 BlindBanana here is a midified minetst/src/CMakeLists.txt for compiletime lua/luajit option 20:14 VanessaE jeez 20:14 BlindBanana http://0bin.net/paste/5133f3f95681b01982cef67ff75f0072c4283b30#EaDALPkDiTOm3KU7pu4K0V9XDHbQlP101Zar0Ky1MFI= 20:14 BlindBanana untested 20:14 mauvebic as much as i could load with fps = 1 http://www.zimg.eu/i/4001883353 20:15 VanessaE BlindBanana: nice 20:15 Traxie21 What are you loading mauve?? 20:15 VanessaE mauvebic: good lord, that's huge 20:15 Traxie21 And what do you use to load that stuff 20:16 BlindBanana and here is the diff against current minetest/src/CMakeLists.txt: http://0bin.net/paste/c37ade9047f5ff154c47704022577e0a85300d1c#8XD1LGKXQSXm8PONkoPKCLIdp6Kk6AxnHv9ssUPh758= 20:17 mauvebic i could put all my buildings in that thing lol 20:17 VanessaE BlindBanana: I think it would be better if you default to LuaJIT and require a switch to use regular Lua 20:18 BlindBanana can somebody please test this, and create a pull request on github if it works? 20:18 VanessaE (since there's no practical reason not to use JIT except for some kind of special testing needs) 20:18 mauvebic Traxie21 actually wrapping up that mod too 20:18 BlindBanana VanessaE: that would too much for this evening :-) 20:19 Traxie21 :D 20:19 Jordach VanessaE, yes, we do need JIT 20:19 Traxie21 Cyas later! 20:19 VanessaE Jordach: my server runs it :) 20:19 * Jordach points at Technic and mesecons 20:21 VanessaE and I could see an argument for the future, where mods could be written to take advantage of how LuaJIT compiles/optimizes things, to get even more speed boost than otherwise might be the case 20:21 VanessaE (like if you know that removing that *one* instruction and moving it down a few lines will cause the compiler to produce faster code, etc0 20:21 VanessaE ) 20:23 kaeza what else do I need to have jungles in game? I added v6_jungles to mg_flags and created a new world, but still no jungles :( 20:24 PilzAdam do you have the latest dev version of minetest installed? 20:24 kaeza and yes, using latest git of both mt and mt_game 20:24 kaeza ^ 20:24 VanessaE dammit, calinou forgot to alias moreblocks:stone_bricks -> default:stone_bricks 20:24 PilzAdam its default:stonebricks 20:25 VanessaE whicveer 20:25 VanessaE whichever, the alias isn't sert 20:25 VanessaE set* 20:27 PilzAdam VanessaE, https://github.com/Calinou/calinou_mods/commit/07a24f36237f91cc50a1b437b45031242c7770f0#L0R144 20:27 PilzAdam it is there but its wrong 20:27 * BlindBanana notices clang 3.2.0 doesn't build minetest (latest git) 20:27 VanessaE ah hah 20:27 kaeza PilzAdam, is it possible that one or more mg_flags conflict with each other? 20:27 kaeza mg_flags = flat, dungeons, caves, v6_jungles 20:27 PilzAdam no 20:28 * BlindBanana runs away 20:28 PilzAdam I have mg_flags = trees, caves, dungeons, v6_jungles and it works perfectly fine 20:28 kaeza ah... maybe it needs 'trees' flag 20:28 PilzAdam yes 20:28 * Jordach can finally make that awesome tree city 20:29 PilzAdam kaeza, jungletrees are generated like normal trees 20:29 PilzAdam and this whole code is skipped if you dont have the trees flag set 20:30 kaeza no wonder I saw big patches of jungle grass but no trees lol 20:33 kaeza https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2220462643.jpg 20:33 kaeza there ^_^ 20:36 VanessaE wha? 20:37 kaeza ? 20:37 VanessaE [03-19 16:35] -RichiH- [Global Notice] Hi all. PDPC, freenode’s parent organisation, has been dissolved. Details can be found at http://blog.freenode.net/ with a static copy at http://planet.freenode.net/ 20:37 kaeza oh that 20:37 Jordach we must go to QuakeNet 20:40 kaeza I can't seem to access the blog :( 20:44 VanessaE "after Rob Levin passed away" 20:44 VanessaE oh that's sad :( 20:49 Jordach VanessaE, people die everyday, it's not a big thing 20:49 VanessaE it's still sad. 20:49 Jordach (same for minetest. i die once a game.) 21:00 mauvebic done http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76972#p76972 21:13 mauvebic i gotta work on seek, have some ideas 21:15 jojoa1997|Tablet i have a request 21:15 mauvebic for who? lol 21:16 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam This is to you really but everyuone else can contribute to 21:16 jojoa1997|Tablet make lava renewable because 21:16 jojoa1997|Tablet obsidian is as hard as steel blck and 21:17 jojoa1997|Tablet mese picks take some time to get steel blocks dug. if you want make obsidian harder but you use resources diggin obsidian 21:18 Uberi you mean make obsidian harder? 21:18 mauvebic i thought someone said it was brittle? 21:18 VanessaE Uberi: thanks for the changes to pipeworks. :) 21:18 Uberi not in-game 21:18 Uberi no problem :) 21:18 Uberi I like me some fast mod loading 21:19 Uberi obsidian doesn't have to follow real life's obsidian 21:19 Uberi it can be a super strong material that just happens to have the same name as the volcanic glass 21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet yes 21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet the curretn way is kinda stupid 21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet with lava being nonrenewable since 21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet obsidian takes forever to dig so obsidian is already rare and it does a number on mese picks 21:21 Uberi so you want it to be even stronger? 21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet so hah you didnt need to make lava a "rare" node 21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet yes 21:21 jojoa1997|Tablet if that makes pilzadam change the lava back to renewable 21:22 Uberi well no, you can still cast obsidian structures, remember 21:22 Uberi place lava source at the location 21:22 Uberi then place water on it 21:22 Uberi obsidian forms at your target, no need to dig at all 21:22 Uberi also, lava is renewable now with recent changes 21:23 Uberi turn on finite liquids and the lava coming out of infinite springs can be picked up in buckets 21:23 jojoa1997|Tablet but that is the problem 21:23 Uberi hmm? 21:23 mauvebic is finite liquids the same mod rubenw wrote? 21:23 PilzAdam yep 21:23 Uberi no I think it's a different one 21:24 Uberi ah OK 21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet it lags like hell with finite liquids and also i dont want it so now you are forcing me to use i feature i perposely set off and 21:24 mauvebic is it faster than the first versions? 21:24 PilzAdam well, the core version is in c++ 21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet i want renewable liquids not finite and some renewable here and there 21:24 Uberi definitely faster, yes 21:24 PilzAdam so its faster, but still not good 21:24 mauvebic ah ok, should be 21:24 mauvebic hmm 21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam 21:24 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: finite liquids ARE renewable liquids 21:24 mauvebic i have yet to figure how that would work with pipes lol 21:24 jojoa1997|Tablet no 21:24 Uberi no? 21:25 mauvebic could literally empty a lake 21:25 Uberi as I said, the infinite sources in finite liquids are findable in survival and give infinite lava 21:25 jojoa1997|Tablet wait 21:25 jojoa1997|Tablet BUT I DONT WANT FINITE LIQUIDS I WANT RENEWABLE LIQUIDS AND INFINITE LIQUIDS 21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet also 21:26 Uberi but yes, we do need a way to make lava renewable for people with finite liquid turned off 21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet and not by changing code 21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet also 21:26 Uberi changing code? 21:26 jojoa1997|Tablet obsidian is hard already so why make lava stupid 21:27 jojoa1997|Tablet and make renewable_liquid = true in init.lua 21:27 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: what does obsidian being hard have to do with lava being renewable? 21:27 jojoa1997|Tablet that is what i mean by =changing code 21:27 jojoa1997|Tablet hard obsidian means need mese pick and it also degrades picks fast 21:30 * ShadowNinja just did a major rewrite of node_ownership, again. 21:30 Uberi hi jojoa1997|Tablet, still not sure what you mean 21:30 ShadowNinja not much is left now 21:30 Uberi ShadowNinja: does it protect meta? 21:30 Uberi I think I figured it out, sorta 21:31 jojoa1997|Tablet uberi have you dug steel blocks with a mese pick 21:31 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: of course, it is pretty easy if you just wait a tiny bit 21:31 jojoa1997|Tablet i copied the same groups over 21:31 jojoa1997|Tablet so it makes obsidian hard to get from the start 21:31 jojoa1997|Tablet now 21:32 Uberi hard to get? not really 21:32 jojoa1997|Tablet if we had smart groups for damage 1 being worse 3 being super strong then we could add a fourth group for obsidian 21:32 Uberi you don't need to mine for iron, then smelt, then craft the block 21:32 Uberi that is true, yes 21:33 jojoa1997|Tablet i just went to add a pull request and oops i cant make it harder too bad 21:34 jojoa1997|Tablet is there a way to get harder groups 21:35 jojoa1997|Tablet or we could switch them around or add an [s] group 21:35 jojoa1997|Tablet i know some games have levels as 3rd 2nd 1st S 21:35 Uberi well you can always increase the level group 21:35 jojoa1997|Tablet ? 21:35 Uberi that goes lower to higher 21:35 jojoa1997|Tablet what do you mean by level group 21:35 jojoa1997|Tablet ? 21:35 Uberi the group named "level" 21:36 jojoa1997|Tablet oh 21:36 jojoa1997|Tablet \so if i changed it to 3 then it would take longer 21:36 Uberi no, it would be completely undiggable 21:36 Uberi you would need a new super-tool to dig it 21:36 jojoa1997|Tablet wait 21:36 jojoa1997|Tablet whatabout steelmese 21:37 jojoa1997|Tablet a mese pick and a steel pick in the crafting grid makes steelmese picks 21:37 jojoa1997|Tablet nvm 21:37 jojoa1997|Tablet too much 21:38 Uberi probably 21:38 jojoa1997|Tablet but i think lava should be renewable it is depended on by too many other things 21:38 mauvebic is there an easier way than this to do jit? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76627#p76627 21:38 Uberi mauvebic: I believe VanessaE made the simplest possible instructions 21:39 Uberi but someone could write a buildscript I guess 21:39 jojoa1997|Tablet well as long as we have a switch back and forth option for liquid renewability that would be nice and i would be satisfied 21:40 mauvebic ill try it that way 21:40 Exio i have an idea jojoa1997|Tablet 21:41 BlindBanana mauvebic: you could try http://0bin.net/paste/5133f3f95681b01982cef67ff75f0072c4283b30#EaDALPkDiTOm3KU7pu4K0V9XDHbQlP101Zar0Ky1MFI= 21:41 PilzAdam VanessaE, read it again: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76977#p76977 21:41 mauvebic i replace cmakelists.txt with that to build w/ jit? 21:41 Exio make a local copy of it and change that, commit it localy, and profit, the other way is making a pull request with it is as an option what is "non-renewable lava" by default and push it 21:43 BlindBanana mauvebic: replace the right CMakeLists.txt and read the first 4 lines of the paste, but you still have to build libluajit before building minetest 21:43 VanessaE PilzAdam: OOPS! 21:43 VanessaE hah! 21:43 VanessaE I'm blind :-) 21:43 VanessaE (post deleted because I'm an idiot :D ) 21:44 * Exio deletes VanessaE 21:44 mauvebic allright, and i dont rename libluajut.a 21:44 VanessaE Uberi: a build script...like this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76994#p76994 21:45 PilzAdam luajut, 10x faster than luajit :-) 21:45 mauvebic lol 21:45 Exio so, it is 100x times faster than normal lua! where can i download luajut?! :D 21:45 Uberi neato VanessaE 21:45 PilzAdam only mauvebic has it :-( 21:46 Exio ohh :( 21:46 * Exio steals mauvebic's luajut 21:47 mauvebic well my smallest ship spawned in 15 seconds with normal luas 21:50 mauvebic voyager in 86 21:51 mauvebic pretty wide margin to test on :-) 21:52 VanessaE there, just tested that modified build script I posted. It works :-) 21:57 mauvebic would luajit work with lua 5.2? 21:57 VanessaE LuajIT is self-contained 21:57 VanessaE I think it's complaint to 5.1? 21:57 mauvebic naw for some 5.2 features im looking at :p 21:58 VanessaE dunno 21:59 mauvebic but if its self contained you could add it to the game without worrying about backward compat. later on 22:00 VanessaE "LuaJIT is compatible to the Lua 5.1 language standard." 22:00 VanessaE well that answers that 22:00 mauvebic poop, we'd be stuck 22:00 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam oing 22:00 jojoa1997|Tablet ping 22:00 PilzAdam pong 22:00 VanessaE mauvebic: well sure, for now. I'm sure the LuaJIT team will eventually update to 5.2 if there's a reason to do so. 22:01 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77001#p77001 22:01 jojoa1997|Tablet would what rarkenin suggest work 22:01 mauvebic Reverse-Vader finds your abundance of faith disturbing :P 22:01 jojoa1997|Tablet mauvebic to who 22:02 mauvebic naw just looking at luajit commits they dont seem supermega active 22:02 * jojoa1997|Tablet starts a game of ping pong with VanessaE 22:02 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE ping 22:02 VanessaE pung. 22:02 jojoa1997|Tablet poing 22:03 jojoa1997|Tablet who herewatched poohbear? 22:03 Uberi png 22:03 jojoa1997|Tablet jpg 22:03 VanessaE tga 22:03 jojoa1997|Tablet gif 22:04 jojoa1997|Tablet want to know the most adjustable and precise but the most hard way of makeing pictures 22:04 Uberi exr 22:05 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: hex editor! 22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet ............................ 22:05 Uberi magnetized needle and a steady hand! 22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet ....... ........... ........ 22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet nope 22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet dots lots of them 22:05 Uberi well you can always use a butterfly 22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet the original newspaper pics were made this way 22:06 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam would you consider adding rarkenin's suggetion from http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77001#p77001 22:06 PilzAdam image are still made like this 22:06 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, I do read the forum, you dont have to point me there 22:06 kaeza I'm a bit pissed http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77005#p77005 22:06 jojoa1997|Tablet i know :) 22:07 Uberi kaeza: wow, never thought about dirt that way 22:08 Uberi there's probably more MESE than dirt in each world! 22:08 kaeza yep 22:08 PilzAdam dirt is generated underground, in very small spots 22:08 PilzAdam and they are very rare 22:08 kaeza but it's still more rare than, say, cobble or stone 22:08 jojoa1997|Tablet the most rare thing is 22:09 PilzAdam cobble 22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet air 22:09 PilzAdam (in mapgen) 22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet nope air 22:09 PilzAdam cobble is only generated in dungeons 22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet now it is the only unattainable thing 22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet mobs do not count 22:09 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, we are talking about vanilla game 22:10 PilzAdam well, content_ignore is the rarest, because the mapgenerator even _destroys_ it :-) 22:10 jojoa1997|Tablet no 22:10 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza ^ 22:10 jojoa1997|Tablet i know something even rarer 22:11 kaeza what? 22:11 Uberi what about default:thisawesomenode? 22:11 jojoa1997|Tablet something that everyone has but is never in the game 22:11 Uberi there are literally 0 nodes of it in every world 22:11 kaeza nyancats! 22:11 kaeza Uberi, wut 22:11 Uberi kaeza: I found a nyancat once 22:11 jojoa1997|Tablet player entity 22:11 Uberi it was the best day in my MineTest career 22:11 jojoa1997|Tablet it never loads your entity on your client 22:12 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, ಠ_ಠ22:12 Uberi it had a 14 node rainbow 22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet i found nyancat once also 22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet but 22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet actually it was a buggy spot 22:12 Uberi yeah, and I was flying around though 22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet new world just got on and i landed on a nyan cat that was on a dungoen 22:13 kaeza realbadangel_, we are talking about vanilla game 22:13 Uberi (this was before there were flying privs, so everyone could just fly randomly) 22:13 kaeza thanks for the tip though :) 22:13 jojoa1997|Tablet i updated my game the next day and boom gone 22:13 Kacey hi all 22:13 jojoa1997|Tablet hi all 22:13 Uberi hey Kacey 22:13 kaeza sup Kacey 22:14 jojoa1997|Tablet hello Kacey 22:14 * Kacey feels popular 22:14 Uberi HAI KACEY 22:14 kaeza hola Kacey 22:15 jojoa1997|Tablet HOLA KACEY 22:15 jojoa1997|Tablet hay i was going to say that 22:15 Kacey i need xchat to auto-join 22:15 jojoa1997|Tablet Kacey do you have an android 22:15 Kacey nope 22:15 kaeza Kacey, go to server list -> Freenode -> Edit 22:16 kaeza and in "favorite channels" add "#minetest" 22:16 jojoa1997|Tablet the worst kind of disease is 22:17 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, 22:17 jojoa1997|Tablet wait i learnt it today in psychology 22:17 Kacey connect command? 22:17 kaeza Kacey, Menu XChat->Network List 22:18 jojoa1997|Tablet a paranoid person in a panic attack 22:18 kaeza select "freenode" and click "Edit..." 22:18 jojoa1997|Tablet say they will die 22:18 jojoa1997|Tablet and boom 22:18 Kacey i got there and it also has connect command 22:18 Kacey what is that 22:19 PilzAdam just leave it blank 22:19 kaeza just click "Close" 22:19 Kacey got it 22:19 Kacey now to get a cloak... 22:19 BlindBanana the CMakeLists.txt for luajit I linked earlier is broken! I test now an corrected version. 22:20 kaeza Kacey, for that, I recommend switching to HexChat and enable SASL 22:20 jojoa1997|Tablet w/me puts on the invisibility cloak 22:20 * jojoa1997|Tablet puts on the invisibility cloak 22:20 khonkhortisan ~Kacey@unaffiliated/Kacey 22:20 kaeza to avoid join-spamming 22:20 jojoa1997|Tablet way to run it w 22:20 Kacey would ssl work? 22:20 khonkhortisan Hello teacher. 22:20 PilzAdam Kacey, do automatically join #minetest rightclick on the channel and click on "Add to favorites" and just close the window that opens then 22:20 PilzAdam *to 22:21 kaeza PilzAdam, wow didn't notice that menu :P 22:22 Kacey it is in favorite 22:22 Kacey brb testing settings 22:22 Kacey nice auto identify and everything 22:23 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77001#p77001 22:23 jojoa1997|Tablet when will mobs be added back. i kno they were in lua but why get rid of them when they were faster 22:23 jojoa1997|Tablet dont follow link' 22:24 Uberi well I vote to have PilzAdam's simple mobs in default 22:24 Dante123 Teacher here. I want to run a private server for my grade three kids to build/create early settler villages......would you suggest amazon web services or is there another host service you recommend? 22:25 Uberi Dante123: if you have experience with AWS/a preexisting plan, go for AWS 22:26 Kacey or just run a server locally 22:26 Kacey no forwarding required for that 22:26 Dante123 No experience with AWS. 22:26 Uberi Dante123: does your school have computers to spare for the task? 22:26 mauvebic the server can run off a terminal 22:26 Uberi it is likely that they have at least one that is unused 22:27 Dante123 Have run local server already, but want kids to be able to work on it at home.....can't dedicate that much school time to this 22:27 Dante123 But boy do they love it 22:28 Uberi Dante123: pretty good initiative 22:28 Dante123 Can we go to computer lab again? ....everyday 22:28 Uberi what I mean is, can you have the school leave this computer on permanently? 22:29 Dante123 My teacher laptop is the server, but they wouldn't be able to access from home. I'm sure it dept. has things locked up 22:30 Exio playing MT at school? in what TZ? i'd join! :P 22:31 Dante123 Localserver 22:31 Dante123 The buy in by the kids has been terrific..... 22:32 Kacey aww it sounds soooo fun 22:32 Kacey i et tested to the point where the teachers can't even teach us what we need 22:33 Kacey so i barely have 2 electives 22:33 Dante123 All pumped.....but time in school to work on it is limited. I would like to transfer our 'world' to a host that could give kids access from home 22:33 Kacey band and spanish 22:33 Kacey wish mt would be in my cirriculum... 22:34 Kacey i bet, Dante123, if you asked OldCoder really nicely he *might* just host one 22:34 Dante123 I am fitting it into early settlers/First Nations , area perimeter volume, and science 22:34 Exio hi Kacey 22:34 Exio what's up with spanish? 22:34 Dante123 Who is old coder? 22:35 Exio OldCoder is OldCoder 22:35 PilzAdam Kacey, OldCoder doesnt have enought time for 2 days 22:35 Kacey an old coder lol 22:35 PilzAdam -t 22:35 Kacey lol but when he has time 22:36 Dante123 Does he frequent this chat regularly? 22:37 Kacey and maybe, Dante123, just maybe, you could have me (since i have a VERY young mind and i am the youngest here) hop in and build something for them to see 22:37 PilzAdam Kacey, oh, actually hes busy for 2 months 22:37 Dante123 If I didn't have to jump through a million hoops and deal with the bureaucracy, the school board could host it 22:37 Kacey well when he is not busy PilzAdam 22:38 Dante123 Well I will take any and all help I can get with this 22:39 Kacey i have a port forwarded, but my computer is not built to host a full-time server 22:42 AndChat|344441 It wouldn't even have to be fulltime server just run for say two hours a night, three times a week 22:42 AndChat|344441 Mon wed fri 22:42 Exio haha! what i got http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-11-12#i_2630707 22:42 Exio i didn't know someone thinked the same thing :P 22:43 PilzAdam splitting default into more mods is nearly impossible since it would simply kill all depends.txts 22:43 PilzAdam what can be done is split it into more files 22:43 Exio yep 22:43 PilzAdam I will do this soon 22:44 AndChat|344441 This is Dante123.... 22:44 Exio is possible to make alias from "something:1" to "othermod:2"? 22:44 PilzAdam sure 22:44 Exio (as splitting the stuff in 'more mods' and adding aliases to legacy, i just wonder) 22:45 PilzAdam that wouldnt really help the dependency thing 22:45 Kacey i broke ShadowNinja's server ^_^ 22:46 AndChat|344441 Could I run free amazon server three nights a week hosting minetest and likely avoid all costs? 22 student with say 15-20 accessing up to 2 hours three times a week? 22:46 PilzAdam AndChat|344441, what is the limit for those servers? 22:46 AndChat|344441 Free tier says 750 hours 22:46 AndChat|344441 Limit of users? 22:46 AndChat|344441 Not sure 22:47 PilzAdam well, OldCoder knows much about this 22:47 PilzAdam but seems like hes busy right now... 22:48 AndChat|344441 OK, well I can check back another time. I'm willing to pay out of my own pocket but have my own limits too 22:49 PilzAdam Minetest doesnt require that much bandwith 22:50 AndChat|344441 So basically I need my own vps to rune mine test right? There are no commercial companies you can rent a mine test server from? 22:51 PilzAdam I dont know any 22:52 VanessaE well you need a hosting account that'll let you run your own code, which will usually only be a VPS. 22:52 VanessaE or you can do like some of us do and run one from your home PC 22:53 Exio Where’s the on / off switch? 22:53 PilzAdam AndChat|344441, I bet VanessaE will do that for you :-) 22:53 Exio To switch on: just plug it in! 22:53 Exio To switch off: remove power. 22:53 VanessaE no, I won't :) 22:53 AndChat|344441 For home PC wouldn't I have to have static ip 22:54 VanessaE nope. 22:54 VanessaE use a dynamic DNS service like afraid.org or so 22:54 AndChat|344441 How much would that cost me? 22:54 VanessaE that one is free 22:55 VanessaE so in total, about all it'll cost you is whatever your PC needs for electricity to stay on 24/7 22:55 VanessaE (plus your networking hardware of course) 22:55 Exio no-ip works perfectly for me 22:55 BlindBanana strange, if I build latest git with luajit as described by VanessaE it works, but if I build it via an modified CMakeLists.txt it throws many errors about undefined references -.- the modified CMakeLists.txt: http://0bin.net/paste/0a3589ff7255082a41485e3812fc4afff3c429ca#0YtgkwQEdROKKH2o9EaSjHKGBKRF8UP0VnskGfyg9OI= this version should at least work under linux... 22:55 VanessaE that's another good one. 22:56 Exio err, freedns* 22:56 Exio no-ip is the other thing 22:56 AndChat|344441 Actually I would not want the server to be on ..24/7. just a few hours per week 22:56 VanessaE BlindBanana: try my build script. 22:56 VanessaE it's far more automated than my step-by-step instructions. 22:56 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76994#p76994 22:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: ^^^^ in case you're interested. 22:56 PilzAdam VanessaE, we need a working cmake configuration to get it upstream 22:57 VanessaE four steps instead of 10 :-) (two of which involve getting luajit and getting minetest sources ;) ) 22:57 BlindBanana VanessaE: this works, but i want an integrated solution to include this later into minetest git 22:57 VanessaE just pointing it out. 22:57 Kacey AndChat|344441, then just forward a home port, set up teamviewer and instant server 22:57 PilzAdam BlindBanana, can you post a diff against master? 22:57 mauvebic where do you stick the bash and with what extension? (dont use em often lol) 22:58 VanessaE it's a script, which routinely get named with .sh 22:58 VanessaE and you put it wherever you want. 22:58 VanessaE I keep such things in ~/Scripts 22:58 VanessaE minetest, luajit sources in ~/Minetest-Textures-and-mods 22:59 BlindBanana PilzAdam: sure: http://0bin.net/paste/eb4177882a56163d567191c48a47b995f9c09ca8#EudekneNG3S59K6YqnC3cqC+FgJ740dQgLZqmW0PScg= 22:59 mauvebic minetest_Game, i can skip that step and take care of it later? 23:00 VanessaE sure if you want 23:00 VanessaE I originally made this script to automate everything for me 23:00 mauvebic was just wondering why i needed to provide a path for minetest_game :P 23:00 VanessaE in my particular case, further changes to my local install are made after the "checkinstall" step 23:01 VanessaE so point MINETEST_GAMEDIR at /dev/null or something :) 23:01 mauvebic dualcore would be j3 23:01 BlindBanana PilzAdam: don't forget "sed -i '195,$s/\\\[\\\]//' builtin/serialize.lua" 23:01 VanessaE -j3 yeah 23:01 mauvebic p4 is j2 23:02 AndChat|344441 OK, signed up with afraid.org 23:02 AndChat|344441 Now what? 23:03 VanessaE AndChat|344441: next you just need to download one of their scripts that you can use to update your IP address with their system 23:03 VanessaE attach it to cron or whatever you use for automated, periodic jobs 23:03 VanessaE then configure your networking hardware to forward port 30000 to your computer. 23:04 VanessaE recommend you update your IP record every 6 to 12 hours 23:05 AndChat|344441 OK.....will have to look into this more tomorrow. Thanks for help. This is new to me. I do run Linux mint so plan on that PC being my server 23:05 VanessaE good deal 23:06 AndChat|344441 Thanks for help 23:06 AndChat|344441 One last thing, how long has mine test project been around? 23:06 VanessaE about 2 years 23:07 AndChat|344441 OK thanks again 23:09 OldCoder Hi. I am reviewing the question. Yes; I run VPSes of a few different types. 23:09 OldCoder AndChat|344441, you could not have that many users for free 23:09 OldCoder The lag would be too high 23:10 OldCoder You would need to upgrade. I recommend either a Linode or an AWS upgrade. 23:17 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ptZRXf5rsY 23:17 kaeza hmm... with all these things that are per-world, wouldn't it be feasible to add a way to get/set configuration options from a file in the world dir without requiring user to start MT from the command line with different config files? 23:18 kaeza or perhaps be able to add per-world minetest.conf and that the game uses it to override settings in main minetest.conf 23:19 Exio k, i sent a email to the rs providers in argentina for rpi prices and checking how can i buy it 23:19 Exio an* 23:20 Exio kaeza: what configs? 23:20 Exio there is a /map_meta.txt for configs like the mapgen name, and stuff of it 23:21 Exio (same for the seed) 23:22 kaeza Exio, I mean an API in Lua for mods to get/set settings from it 23:22 Exio ah 23:22 Exio s/check/ask/ 23:22 Exio (for what i said) 23:23 Kacey great... 23:23 Exio btw, phase shift in background as music player 23:23 Exio in linux 23:23 Exio seems legit 23:23 Kacey ? 23:23 Exio http://www.dwsk.co.uk/index_phase_shift.html 23:24 Exio frets on fire, fofix - like games 23:24 Exio the only thing what i like of ps is the networked multiplayer 23:35 khonkhortisan It doesn't tell me it's windows-only until I get to indiedb 23:35 khonkhortisan I didn't click on readme on the way 23:43 jojoa1997 Hello all 23:43 LAD hia 23:43 jojoa1997 !/nick jojoa1997|Tablet 23:50 Exio khonkhortisan: yep, it doesn't support linux "natively", i just use it with wine, works perfectly with the last wine and so 23:50 khonkhortisan oh okay 23:51 Exio they say that in the readme 23:52 Exio "we don't have resources for making it run in a native way in linux or mac, but it now runs on wine" 23:52 jojoa1997|Tablet when was the last time sfan5|OFF shut off his irc clieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnt 23:52 Exio when he changed his nick to |OFF, i think 23:52 Exio he uses ZNC for keeping a connection "always" 23:53 Kacey hi Menche 23:54 Menche hi 23:54 jojoa1997|Tablet what is ZZZZZZZNC 23:56 Exio irc bouncer 23:56 Menche http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9985/screenshot2232713116.png 23:57 Menche made a leaves_with_apple node 23:57 jojoa1997|Tablet Menche survival world without planting? 23:57 Menche ? 23:57 jojoa1997|Tablet suggestion 23:58 Menche what? 23:58 Kacey Menche, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5076 23:58 jojoa1997|Tablet make 2 layers have apples be inside leaves and also apples generate naturally now 23:59 Menche have apples inside leaves? 23:59 jojoa1997|Tablet Kacey why must he write everything in spanis 23:59 jojoa1997|Tablet if i could translate i would but i cant so i wont 23:59 Kacey portugese... 23:59 Menche what, the new craft guide? 23:59 jojoa1997|Tablet Menche blender model but leaves blender has clearspots