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00:00 Kacey Menche, yes can you add it please?
00:00 Menche add the craft guide? yeah, i was meaning to
00:00 jojoa1997|Tablet does anyone know the progress on minetest for android and if it will support lua modding
00:00 Menche i'll get it now
00:01 Menche what is "DOM" supposed to stand for?
00:02 Kacey idk
00:02 Kacey just throw it in the mods folder
00:02 Kacey afk
00:02 Menche he knows enough english to make that post, but most of the internals of the mod use spanish or something
00:05 RealBadAngel menche in polish "dom" means house
00:05 Exio what mod?
00:05 Menche http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5076 the updated craft guide mod
00:05 Kacey back
00:05 Exio that is not spanish, yes
00:06 Kacey thanks Menche
00:08 Exio ] 137,280      744B/s  eta 4d 23h
00:08 Menche my leaves with apple node can show up to 3 different pictures of an apple where there is only one
00:08 Menche it seems i can't use multiple different textures with allfaces_optional
00:09 Menche maybe putting the apple underneath the leaves texture would help
00:11 Menche http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6343/screenshot2233645292.png
00:12 Menche http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9985/screenshot2232713116.png
00:12 Menche not sure if i like the apple under or over the leaves
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00:17 VanessaE PilzAdam: what's with the weird selection box on jungle grass?
00:17 VanessaE (it's only a few pixels high, but full node width)
00:18 Kacey Menche, i laggedbad
00:18 Menche me too, it's frozen
00:18 Kacey ooh ok
00:19 mauvebic finally im not all that hot on luajit, after 6 passes (vs. vanilla's 3 passes to finish) i got this: http://www.zimg.eu/i/2837658065
00:20 khonkhortisan I like it under the leaves, over it looks like the regular apple.
00:20 VanessaE that ain't luajit, that's the map/emerge/whatever code doing that
00:20 PilzAdam VanessaE, all grass nodes use this selection box
00:20 VanessaE PilzAdam: it doesn't look good for jungle grass
00:20 VanessaE but okay
00:20 mauvebic map is loaded, same conditions both test
00:21 VanessaE mauvebic: yep, that's not lua doing that at all.
00:21 mauvebic the passes were shorter but less gets done
00:21 PilzAdam VanessaE, since grass has no specified height, texture packs could make it taller or smaller
00:21 VanessaE PilzAdam: well, not really.  i figure the default texture pretty much establishes the standard height for Junglegrass.
00:21 VanessaE but whatever
00:22 mauvebic but whats odd, on vanilla,each pass was: 22s, 192s,23s,   w/ luajit it was 97s,92s,4s,4s,4s,4s,
00:22 PilzAdam I also think that all grass should be buildable_to
00:22 VanessaE PilzAdam: agreed
00:23 PilzAdam that is: junglegrass, grass and dry_shrub
00:23 Kacey afk
00:27 PilzAdam bye
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00:34 * kaeza was bored: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2234944005.jpg
00:34 Exio Super Mario Test (?)
00:35 kaeza yup
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00:35 kaeza fun fact: the '?' is a chest
00:36 VanessaE does it change into a brick after you open it a few times? ;)
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00:36 kaeza heh
00:37 kaeza trying to map other things, but just noticed there are no trees in SMB3
00:37 VanessaE aren't there trees in SMB1 or 2?  use one of those :)
00:38 kaeza I just used one of the masts of bowser/koopa ships
00:38 VanessaE interesting choice
00:41 kaeza also,http://jajodia-saket.sjbn.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Reasons-Why-People-Who-Work-With-Computers-Seem-To-Have-A-Lot-Of-Spare-Time.gif
00:41 jin_xi kaeza: nice
00:42 kaeza there are too many SMB texture packs around... I think I'll make a Kirby one
00:42 VanessaE how true :)
00:42 kaeza or a Megaman one :D
00:43 kaeza should fit well with techinic stuff :P
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00:45 kaeza jin_xi, also this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/ssss/screenshot_2228648488.jpg
00:45 sokomine hi
00:46 Kacey stupid youtube
00:46 sokomine regarding travelnet...some players wanted to attach their boxes to nets from other players. i'm a bit uncertain about it
00:46 VanessaE hey soko
00:46 kaeza I-WANT-THIS!!! http://foolishgadgets.com/201212/lazy-man%E2%80%99s-computer-rack/
00:47 VanessaE sokomine: well it would be useful for an Admin to be able to do that
00:47 bas080 31.151.189.3 port 30000 <<<pls come and not grief my world
00:47 VanessaE like if I need to move someone's travelnet box over a bit but still leave it on the same network
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00:48 sokomine bas: hm, still a bit busy, but in a couple of minutes...
00:50 sokomine kaeza: wow! that would be great! finally a notebook could work in bed!
00:51 kaeza It will not work for my desktop tho'
00:51 sokomine a keyboard and a tft might work
00:52 Exio i'd say that will not work
00:53 Exio having the screen *only* in 'the top' and two keyboards (what you can have, 1) plugged like the image, 2) in your lap/so
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01:02 Menche i'm making a leaves with apple node to replace the apples on trees
01:02 Menche what's better, the apple texture over the leaves texture, or other way around?
01:02 Menche http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6343/screenshot2233645292.png
01:03 Menche http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9985/screenshot2232713116.png
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01:04 VanessaE do both
01:04 VanessaE but there's an issue
01:05 VanessaE it looks like a leaf has like 3 apples
01:05 Menche yeah
01:05 VanessaE so what you're doing really needs proper 3d models, or
01:05 VanessaE entities.
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01:05 Menche entities would be horrible
01:05 VanessaE yeah I know
01:05 TTC-Gambit hello
01:05 Menche the server always "eats" them then puts them back randomly
01:06 VanessaE maybe we need a new drawtype for this then
01:06 TTC-Gambit I'm gambit from the forum
01:06 VanessaE hey Gambit!
01:06 TTC-Gambit i use ttc (company name) to help identify me
01:06 VanessaE your village has been imported to my server per jojoa1997's suggestion :)
01:06 TTC-Gambit really
01:06 TTC-Gambit cool
01:07 TTC-Gambit I added chest in the graves btw
01:07 kaeza http://cheezburger.com/7140391936
01:07 TTC-Gambit hehe
01:08 VanessaE heh, heck of a place to put a chest :)
01:08 khonkhortisan funny
01:08 VanessaE kaeza: the daughter in question must have watched "Cars" recently :D
01:08 TTC-Gambit that's why the signs say "do not grave rob"
01:09 kaeza lol
01:09 sokomine anyone by any chance good at making those models?
01:09 sokomine hi gambit
01:09 Menche models? nodeboxes?
01:09 TTC-Gambit hi
01:10 kaeza and now Gambit (the one with that nick) is being pinged to death lol
01:10 Gambit v_v
01:10 sokomine those er things players and mobs are now made out of. blender-models
01:10 Menche i don't understand blender at all
01:11 TTC-Gambit I studied blender for some time, still having trouble, but I'm getting the hand of it
01:11 Menche maybe i'll take the time to learn it during the summer, i'm too busy now
01:11 Menche i have trouble making and modifying a simple sphere
01:12 TTC-Gambit helloe Gambit, we meet again... only I upgraded
01:12 Gambit This isn't even my final form!
01:12 sokomine maybe this is not the right place to capture any blender-experts. they might hide elsewhere :_(
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01:12 * NekoGloop puts kittens on the TexturePack-Gambit's head
01:13 kaeza sokomine, #blender perhaps?
01:13 sokomine perhaps :-)
01:13 kaeza :P
01:13 * Menche runs /clearobjects and deletes all the kittens
01:13 TTC-Gambit I'm still trying to rig my nyaa cat mob
01:13 TTC-Gambit it's hards for some reason
01:13 kaeza Menche's sever is using OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!111!!!1 megabytes
01:14 kaeza gigabytes*
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01:14 Exio the sad thing, what kaeza is true
01:15 Exio /clearobjects is "over 9000" mb
01:15 Menche yeah, i don't dare run it on my server
01:15 VanessaE kaeza is not exaggerating.
01:15 VanessaE /clearobjects will take up many gigs of memory
01:15 Menche once it took more and more memory, filled my 4G ram and 4G swap, then crashed
01:16 Menche and the map was only like 300M
01:16 kaeza ow
01:16 kaeza forgot about new player physucs
01:16 kaeza never again shall I try jumping to an island at y+200
01:16 kaeza physics*
01:16 kaeza from*
01:17 Menche i the physics still needs tuning
01:17 kaeza wtf is wrong hands??? D:
01:17 Exio s/.*/something*/
01:17 TTC-Gambit why is the apple in minetest in plant-like drawtype?
01:17 TTC-Gambit i remember in 0.3 it looked more wholesome and delicious
01:18 Menche how was it drawn then? i thought it was the same way
01:18 TTC-Gambit it had dept
01:18 TTC-Gambit much like the fist or tools
01:19 Menche i
01:19 NekoGloop you
01:19 kaeza me!
01:19 Menche i'd go look at it, but i can't build 0.3.x anymore :(
01:19 Menche sorry, hit enter instead of '
01:19 * kaeza puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
01:20 kaeza hello Neko
01:20 TTC-Gambit why note just add (wield_image = "default_apple.png",) to the apple registry?
01:20 Menche 0.3.x doesn't build with the new irrlicht
01:20 Menche oh, you mean wielded?
01:21 TTC-Gambit yes
01:21 Menche oh yeah, it draws the plantlike node in your hand
01:21 Menche i'm trying to make the apples in trees look like leaves
01:21 Menche the problem with using a cube is 3 apples can be shown for one cube
01:23 NekoGloop Then we can have full node apples?
01:23 kaeza it would be cool to have textured clouds
01:24 Menche TTC-Gambit, http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3438/screenshot2237968606.png
01:24 TTC-Gambit but I added (wield_image = "default_apple.png",) in my client and it looks fine
01:24 Menche you mean like that?
01:24 TTC-Gambit yes, like so
01:24 TTC-Gambit it just looks right
01:24 Menche NekoGloop, this is my apple node: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6343/screenshot2233645292.png
01:25 Menche alternatively, http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9985/screenshot2232713116.png
01:25 Menche can't decide which i prefer
01:25 Menche they both show multiple apples for one node
01:25 TTC-Gambit That actually looks neat Menche
01:26 TTC-Gambit what did you do
01:26 VanessaE Menche: so use the apple texture just on one side of the node and use regular leaves on the other sides?
01:26 TTC-Gambit kinda like the ores?
01:26 NekoGloop The bottom side
01:26 Menche VanessaE: doesn't work, leaves need drawtype=allfaces_optional or something like that
01:26 VanessaE and give it a random facedir
01:26 Menche multiple textures can't be used there
01:26 VanessaE yeah I know
01:26 VanessaE crap
01:27 Menche if you use a normal node, you see air on the other side where there should be a trunk
01:27 VanessaE the only way to do it then is with an entity.
01:27 Menche and you have x-ray vision if it's against the ground
01:27 NekoGloop Just make hugeass apples
01:27 TTC-Gambit clouds can xray
01:27 TTC-Gambit whats the cloud for any ways
01:27 Menche default:cloud? i have no idea, it's been there forever
01:27 TTC-Gambit i tried to mod before it was frustating
01:27 NekoGloop What cloud?
01:28 TTC-Gambit block
01:28 Menche plain white and indestructible
01:28 NekoGloop oh that cloud
01:28 TTC-Gambit i used it in 0.3 to make smoke from chimney.
01:28 Menche is the floating apples bug still around? where the leaves decay and leave apples?
01:29 Menche that's what i was trying to fix with my apple leaves node
01:29 TTC-Gambit i wanted to make it translucent like water and passable, but mine about
01:29 Exio ok
01:29 Exio now i can't break those cloud blocks
01:29 TTC-Gambit but the xray
01:29 Exio in creative
01:29 TTC-Gambit it's the x ray... kinda sad
01:29 NekoGloop Menche, it's not a bug per se
01:30 Menche flying apples isn't a bug?
01:30 VanessaE Menche: that issue is sorta-fixed in moretrees ;)
01:30 VanessaE I redefined apples to be attached
01:30 TTC-Gambit flying apples with wings is not either
01:30 NekoGloop What if we place an apple? With leafdecay they'll just dissappear
01:30 VanessaE so they fall when leaves are dug out.
01:30 NekoGloop Though VanessaE has the right idea
01:31 Menche NekoGloop: on the tree they are "default:leaves_with_apple", and they drop "default:apple"
01:31 TTC-Gambit apples should fall much like saplings would during decoy
01:31 Menche i didn't touch "default:apple"
01:31 Menche TTC-Gambit, yes, they drop apples
01:32 TTC-Gambit i made a banana and orange texture along time ago too for pixlebox
01:32 Menche and if you want to decorate a table with apple nodes, you can, those won't decay
01:33 Kacey i think i might get me one of them fancy hdx packs...
01:33 VanessaE HDX Is Your Friend â„¢
01:33 VanessaE :)
01:36 Kacey ill go 64x
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01:38 jojoa1997|Tablet does anyone think dungeon masters will ever be in minetest again. they were nice but really ugly and over powered. i think it is safe to say they are true legacy items.
01:38 Menche i hope so, but nerfed a bit
01:39 Kacey a bit?!?!?
01:39 Menche or more than a bit
01:39 Kacey all the way down so they only hurt players
01:39 Menche i remember a house i had, the first floor was blown out from a cave underneath it
01:40 Menche players would fly all over lighting up caves so they wouldn't spawn
01:41 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah i tried 0.4.x that last had them
01:41 jojoa1997|Tablet the fireballs traveled through the ground and exploeded near me
01:42 jojoa1997|Tablet if anything make them either same difficulty and super rare maybe one per 2000 blocks
01:42 jojoa1997|Tablet and ake them a boss or tone them down ALOT
01:43 Kacey huh
01:43 Kacey 50 fps with a 64x pack
01:43 VanessaE try 128px :)
01:43 Kacey i can get that with default
01:45 * kaeza pokes VanessaE to add support for farming[_plus] in HDX :)
01:45 VanessaE some day.
01:45 VanessaE I need textures though
01:46 sokomine not too realistic. else we start eating our screens
01:46 TTC-Gambit I love dms until they pretty much destroy everything from a distants.
01:46 Exio haha
01:47 TTC-Gambit it's like simcity, when all the hazards occur and can't do anything about it until it stops.
01:49 Kacey a sword was no use to them
01:50 Kacey against*
01:51 TTC-Gambit yes
01:51 TTC-Gambit oerkkis were the best mobs
01:51 TTC-Gambit they actually were spooky
01:51 Menche the were pretty weak, but made up for that by being invisible in the dark
01:51 TTC-Gambit when they sneak up on your
01:51 TTC-Gambit butt
01:52 Kacey no rats were the best
01:52 NekoGloop Oerkki: "IM GONNA RAEP YOU!!!!"
01:52 TTC-Gambit cuz they were dumb
01:52 Menche when i first found a rat, i though it was a kind of eel or reptile
01:52 VanessaE I kinda miss having rats just kinda running around here and there
01:52 Menche because the texture was long, green, and didn't have legs
01:53 TTC-Gambit I made a blood mod they required rats. 6 to be exact. you squeeze them into a bucket... cruel... but yeah
01:53 Menche to eat a rat, you cooked it alive  >:D
01:54 TTC-Gambit like lobsters
01:54 NekoGloop Yum!
01:54 Menche i always had a small fenced off area in my houses where i kept a dozen or so rats
01:54 Menche also, fireflies need to come back
01:54 Kacey yep
01:55 TTC-Gambit i tried to made a cheese mod that could be edible but also can be placed down and was to be a rat spawner.
01:55 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwiTIzkF4cw
01:55 TTC-Gambit only i forgot i was a total noob at coding such things
01:56 * Kacey misses 0.3.1
01:56 * Kacey misses Kray's server
01:56 NekoGloop VanessaE, you should add a kind of "huge apple" which is a full-node apple.
01:56 * Menche can't build 0.3 anymore :(
01:56 NekoGloop (in gloopblocks)
01:57 VanessaE why?
01:57 sokomine i don't know krays server. that was before my time i think
01:57 Menche minetest 0.3.x doesn't build with the newest irrlicht
01:57 NekoGloop Because wthn (why the hell not)
01:57 NekoGloop The purpose of gloopblocks is: wthn
01:58 NekoGloop VanessaE: Also, how are we supposed to use the pavement recipe without basalt?
01:59 VanessaE NekoGloop: I fixed that.
01:59 TTC-Gambit bucket_cement.png?
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01:59 VanessaE latest minetest-game has a hook that gloopblocks overrides and uses to produce basalt, pumice, or obsidian
02:00 VanessaE so the old behavior still works as long as your minetest_game is not dated March 9 to March 18.
02:00 TTC-Gambit whats this moreblocks thing
02:00 Kacey night all
02:00 VanessaE TTC-Gambit: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=509
02:00 TTC-Gambit just read a topic in the forum about it being default or should be default
02:00 Menche it adds a lot of nice decorative blocks
02:00 TTC-Gambit it is a very common mod people use
02:00 TTC-Gambit i know
02:01 Menche wouldn't mind it being included by default
02:01 NekoGloop Also add oerkki blocks because Calinou was lame and removed them
02:01 VanessaE oh yes, I forgot about those
02:02 VanessaE hold, I'll add those now.
02:02 NekoGloop Maybe make them look a tad more like purple bookshelves?
02:02 sokomine it now includes stairsplus which is very useful. even my circular saw has been included :-)
02:02 VanessaE I'll use the original oerkki block textures.
02:03 TTC-Gambit oerkki seems gimmicky to me
02:03 NekoGloop VanessaE, do those on the sides; put purple-tinted stone on the top and bottom.
02:03 VanessaE I'll see what I can do, stand by 1
02:03 TTC-Gambit it should have something to do with oerkkis to made a block
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02:10 VanessaE NekoGloop: I presume making stairs/slabs out of this block is...not warranted ;-)
02:11 NekoGloop With the texture it works perfectly
02:11 TTC-Gambit ooooh, new grass in github
02:11 VanessaE hm
02:11 TTC-Gambit https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/9ff8f8038ef30c7a62a7b95e09c3254df9862c40
02:18 VanessaE anyone remember what the recipe was for an oerkki block?
02:18 VanessaE oh wait, it's still listed on the moreblocks paeg
02:18 VanessaE page*
02:20 TTC-Gambit i never made the oerkki block in my life
02:20 TTC-Gambit i would never now
02:21 sokomine i tried for the crafting school. don't remember the receipe
02:22 TTC-Gambit crafting school in redcrab?
02:22 TTC-Gambit that's a huge labyrinth
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02:25 sokomine bas080: great greating...i joined your server and got a "you are drowning" while it is almost pitch black
02:26 sokomine well...maybe i'll get respawned to a better place after drowning
02:27 VanessaE NekoGloop: oerkki block added in git.
02:27 VanessaE except I forgot the old moreblocks alias for it.
02:28 sokomine er....it is dark, i was helpless (even after respawning) - but i can dig cobble with my hands?
02:28 sokomine ah. creative mode
02:28 VanessaE what was the original node name for it?
02:28 VanessaE moreblocks:oerkkiblock, right?
02:30 TTC-Gambit yes
02:30 TTC-Gambit i just checked
02:30 TTC-Gambit also super glow glass should have a different texture than regular glow glass to help tell the difference
02:31 VanessaE there, fixed in git.
02:31 VanessaE (for gloopblocks)
02:31 VanessaE TTC-Gambit: it does now.  Sorta
02:31 VanessaE it's brighter, less saturated
02:32 TTC-Gambit my minetoon just has a glass glow and one with a grid
02:32 TTC-Gambit not sure if that was right
02:37 ShadowNinja github is being realy slow today
02:39 TTC-Gambit i'm not too similar with github.
02:39 TTC-Gambit how fast does it update
02:43 NekoGloop http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5145 Oh god another one of these
02:45 TTC-Gambit !!
02:45 TTC-Gambit an idea had struck my brain
02:48 NekoGloop My response to that post: http://www.legendisland.com/Forum%20Pictures/ORLY%20Owl%20in%20Link%27s%20face.jpg
02:49 twenty4 It's amazing how heated that discussion got
02:49 TTC-Gambit "hey listen!"
02:49 twenty4 pun not intended, considering the subject matter
02:52 TTC-Gambit I think "Good Idea" should be a catch phrase in minetest. the community often use the term all the time
02:52 TTC-Gambit :)
02:52 twenty4 Good Idea
02:52 NekoGloop http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77074#p77074 This is how sick and tired I am of seeing "Minetest is turning into Minecraft" on the minetest forums.
02:52 NekoGloop Just about as sick as I am of seeing "1.5 is shit" in the minecraft forums but that's another story.
02:53 twenty4 Well, you shouldn't expect anything different from the minecraft forums
02:55 NekoGloop And the same kind of prejudice that minecrafters have against minetest is reflected by those similar to Specimen A, who would like to be known as 24.
02:55 TTC-Gambit the music in minecraft doesn't make the game feel like an adventure game
02:55 VanessaE NekoGloop: see above re: gloopblocks.
02:55 twenty4 but I think there is some merit in comparing minetest with Minecraft. At first glance, minetest really does look like a minecraft clone, and there really isn't a whole lot yet to dispel that notion
02:55 NekoGloop VanessaE, Yes i saw.
02:55 VanessaE ok
02:58 twenty4 I'm not sure what you're trying to say about me Nekogloop. My hate for the minecraft community has nothing to do with minetest; it's just an objectively bad community.
02:58 mauvebic cardassian furniture is a pita in nodebox lol
02:58 TTC-Gambit NOOOOOOOO!!! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5178
02:58 TTC-Gambit i oppose
02:58 twenty4 Eh, I kinda figured that would be the reaction
02:58 mauvebic yeah thattl raise a shitstorm lol
02:59 NekoGloop 1024
02:59 twenty4 yes?
02:59 TTC-Gambit i still want to have my nyan cat mob builtin, but the block cat should stay... it's legend
02:59 NekoGloop minenyan
03:00 TTC-Gambit nyanmine
03:00 TTC-Gambit although I agree with a sunstone
03:00 TTC-Gambit sounds ancient
03:01 NekoGloop sounds pokemanzy
03:01 TTC-Gambit well apart from that
03:01 TTC-Gambit but it would probably be another mese stone really
03:02 TTC-Gambit like a red mese
03:02 TTC-Gambit and meteor mese
03:02 twenty4 It could be a decorative block, like a lapis in minecraft
03:03 VanessaE we already have an equivalent to lapis though, in moreores.  mithril.
03:03 twenty4 can never have too many decorations
03:03 NekoGloop except mithril makes tools
03:03 TTC-Gambit too many tools
03:05 TTC-Gambit surprise someone didn't make pyrite ore and tried to made a pickaxe with that (even though pyrite is very unstable and would shatter on impact).
03:05 NekoGloop oneuse tool!
03:06 NekoGloop uber fast but one-use
03:06 TTC-Gambit pyrite is used to make black powder though
03:06 NekoGloop explosive?
03:07 TTC-Gambit pyrite, sulfur (yellow lumps found near lava), and charcoal/coal.
03:07 TTC-Gambit yes
03:07 VanessaE I thought it was sulfer, charcoal, and saltpeter (potassium nitrate)
03:07 NekoGloop I support this mod idea
03:07 VanessaE er, sulfur
03:07 TTC-Gambit pyrite is a substitute for nitrate
03:08 TTC-Gambit pryrite = unstable , black powder = unstable
03:08 TTC-Gambit nitrate = stable , gun powder = stable
03:08 mauvebic pyrite = same shit that makes concrete puff up?
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03:18 mauvebic anyways,  not the same thing i guess :p
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03:21 TTC-Gambit puff
03:23 TTC-Gambit okay i read the "lava is no longer renewable!?" topic and my head is spinning
03:24 TTC-Gambit what happened.
03:24 VanessaE lava used to be infinite.  If you placed one or two sources, a third would pop up, then perhaps more
03:24 VanessaE I guess now that doesn't happen.
03:26 TTC-Gambit i meant what happen to my head. the topic got kinda went on a riot.
03:26 VanessaE heh
03:28 TTC-Gambit honestly I didn't even know lava was renewable, so it never really effected my opinion cause there was none.
03:29 onpon Hey, I was just playing Minetest, having a lot of mods enabled (about 60). I noticed that apples and the "Simple Mobs" mod's cooked meat weren't restoring the hunger meter in the hunger mod, but looking at the source of the mods, I don't see why this would happen; the hunger mod seems to work by overriding minetest.item_eat, and the cooked meat in the "simple mobs" mod uses that function. Does anyone know why it would fail?
03:42 kaeza onpon, you mean survival_modpack?
03:42 kaeza or plain hunger mod?
03:42 onpon Plain hunger mod.
03:43 kaeza grab yourself my modpack
03:43 kaeza it is mostly a rewrite adding support for all current food items and possibly future ones
03:44 kaeza onpon, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4738
03:44 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/2065242587
03:45 kaeza you can remove the things you don't like (like drowning, thirst, etc)
03:45 kaeza mauvebic, what is that?
03:45 kaeza mini furniture?
03:45 mauvebic furniture for the station :p
03:46 VanessaE nice
03:46 kaeza cool
03:46 mauvebic nuff' for transporter room and quarks' bar lol
03:47 TTC-Gambit oh I forgot to make a tavern for the village. dsbcjdjckdcjsdclsifvflrjv
03:48 onpon Well, I suppose I'll try your version, kaeza, but I'm genuinely confused and curious. randomproof's hunger mod seems to offer blanket support for all food items, and I don't see why it shouldn't work.
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03:48 kaeza TTC-Gambit, NEVAH FORGET THE TAVERN!!
03:48 TTC-Gambit they'll have drink outside
03:48 kaeza FORGET ABOU(T THE HOSPITAL, SCHOOL, WHATEVER, BUT NEVER THE TAVERN!!
03:48 VanessaE it might be due to its age, randomproof hasn't posted in months.
03:49 VanessaE hit mod may not necessarily work properly with current minetest
03:49 TTC-Gambit i didn't build... schools
03:49 sokomine bas080's world turned out to be quite nice. very rich plantlife and an extensive mine
03:49 kaeza onpon, it has a few bugs
03:49 kaeza (randomproof version)
03:49 TTC-Gambit is jojoa here
03:49 sokomine mini furniture?
03:49 sokomine where?
03:49 VanessaE TTC-Gambit: he drops by frequently.
03:49 VanessaE sokomine: http://www.zimg.eu/i/2065242587
03:50 TTC-Gambit i had an idea for an AI... a thief AI that wonders the wild and robs you of your things.
03:50 kaeza onpon, rp's hunger checks if health is > last health; mine overrides the items to do the work whenever they are used
03:50 sokomine gambit: i've got some built for my random_buildings mod. but i don't build them with default alone so comparison would be unfair. there are still forge, church and well waiting to be built
03:50 TTC-Gambit i leave a post  on the thread
03:51 onpon kaeza: Really? I didn't see a check for health there. I just saw it overriding the eat function.
03:52 TTC-Gambit mines wasn't really a church, but more so a sanctuary.
03:52 kaeza onpon, this means that rp's version will replenish your "hunger" if you use any kind of restorative nodes (for example medikits). this is not very realistic
03:53 onpon kaeza: well, that's not really what I'm seeing here.
03:54 onpon This is what I'm seeing: http://pastebin.com/EB7A26U5
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03:54 TTC-Gambit craft a bandage/plaster with cactus and paper
03:56 kaeza onpon, you are right I guess. I didn't really pay much attention to his code. I actually wrote this thing from scratch
03:59 kaeza onpon, anyway, do whatever you want. If you want to use hunger, go ahead. No one likes survival modpack so I may very well ditch that thing
04:00 onpon Well, I'm still curious why it wasn't working for the apples and the Simple Mobs pack's cooked meat. :)
04:01 kaeza that's because minetest.item_eat returns a closure (a function)
04:01 kaeza you can't easily override that
04:01 TTC-Gambit is ChanServ a bot?
04:02 kaeza unless you go through all the node/item definitions and change their on_use callback to signal you eat something
04:02 kaeza (that's what I do)
04:02 onpon Ah, so overriding functions is just unreliable either in Lua itself or the Minetest API?
04:02 khonkhortisan yes, but I don't remember if ChanServ does anything
04:02 khonkhortisan other than Serv this Chan
04:03 kaeza khonkhortisan, it keeps the channel alive in case everyone leaves, and allows users to set flags like 'o'
04:03 kaeza and other stuff
04:03 onpon Ah, I get it. Thanks, kaeza. :)
04:04 kaeza onpon, you can override functions, but minetest.item_eat is hard (if not impossible) to override
04:04 khonkhortisan TTC-Gambit, what kaeza said
04:05 khonkhortisan both gambits were here at the same time
04:05 kaeza onpon, if you look at it's implementation in builtin/item.lua, you'll see what I'm saying
04:05 kaeza also, np :)
04:07 onpon kaeza, will your hunger mod work with the meats from the animals modpack or no?
04:09 TTC-Gambit after having so many mossy cobble stone with no use to me but I needed tons of stone... I did this. http://filesmelt.com/dl/mossy_to_stone.PNG
04:09 kaeza onpon, it supports default, animal_modpack, farming[_plus], and food mods
04:10 twenty4 That makes sense: cook the stone to burn away the moss
04:10 sokomine usually, mossy cobble is more rare than normal cobble
04:10 * sokomine secretly disposes of a pile of cobble
04:11 VanessaE sokomine: technically, not anymore.  it's far more common, since barely any plain cobble is generated in a normal world, whereas mossy cobble is in dungeons :-)
04:11 VanessaE that is, until you start digging ;)
04:11 kaeza stupid thing that mobf spawners are removed by /clearobjects and never added again :(
04:12 kaeza sapier should add a 'spawner spawner'
04:12 TTC-Gambit i dig a lot and find them
04:12 kaeza :P
04:13 kaeza onpon, do you have any suggestions on more food to add support for?
04:13 bas080 I haven't seen dungeons in ages!
04:13 TTC-Gambit Candy Apple
04:13 bas080 I can almost not believe it!
04:13 bas080 I must first see it
04:14 kaeza TTC-Gambit, as I said in your mod's topic, you can easily add it by adding group food=1 to the itemdef
04:14 VanessaE bas080: they were just added back into the engine as an optional world setting (map_meta.txt) in the last couple of days
04:14 kaeza but I'll add it on my side :)
04:14 TTC-Gambit otay
04:14 onpon kaeza: Other than "all of it", no. One of them is the Simple Mobs modpack, of course, and the other one that extends that.
04:15 kaeza Simple Mobs, Candy Apple added to list
04:15 kaeza oh, maybe I should check Doc's farming mod
04:15 kaeza +too
04:15 bas080 what should be added/removed from that file?
04:15 bas080 mg_flags?
04:15 kaeza not sure if anyone uses that
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04:16 sokomine mobf spawners? it has spawners? or do you mean the animals themshelves?
04:16 kaeza sokomine, it uses invisible spawners
04:16 kaeza (as entities)
04:16 sokomine how do you find the dungeons? i tried to set the setting but didn't find on
04:17 sokomine maybe my version is too old
04:17 kaeza sokomine, one way is to modify darkrose's tricorder to search for mossycobble
04:17 kaeza or do as myself and use fly+fast+noclip
04:17 kaeza :)
04:18 kaeza removing caves from mg_flags helps too
04:20 kaeza sokomine, also, this does not work on already generated worlds; you must create a new one
04:21 kaeza not even for non-generated parts
04:22 sokomine yes, it was a new world
04:24 kaeza maybe your version is old then
04:24 kaeza they were added about two days ago
04:28 kaeza OH NOES!
04:28 VanessaE ?
04:28 kaeza memegenerator is down :(
04:29 kaeza http://memegenerator.net/ => "The service is unavailable."
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04:37 twenty4 neat
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04:47 TTC-Gambit oh blender, why must you be my enemy
04:51 NakedFury have you thought about using another program if blender is such a problem?
04:56 TTC-Gambit i have lightwave
04:56 TTC-Gambit which I'm most used to
04:56 TTC-Gambit been using it since middle school
04:57 NakedFury never heard of it so I might as well research it now
04:57 * hmmmm screams internally
04:58 NakedFury let it out
04:58 NakedFury :D
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05:34 VanessaE bbl
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05:55 TTC-Gambit http://filesmelt.com/dl/cursed_chest.png
05:55 TTC-Gambit chest mob
05:55 TTC-Gambit i just need proper texture
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06:01 hmmmm ugh, post-nasal drip sucks
06:04 kaeza TTC-Gambit, a mimic!
06:04 kaeza :D
06:05 TTC-Gambit brilliant
06:05 TTC-Gambit im making a texture for teeth wright naw
06:06 kaeza add that randomly to dungeons in addition to random DMs
06:10 TTC-Gambit i also hope it could be crafted too, similar to regular chest only instead of iron ingot in the center, maybe some kinds of sinister object like and orb or heart to give it a curse
06:10 TTC-Gambit Also I like the name Mimic
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06:21 ShadowNinja does anyone know what tile in the mc terrain.png is clay?
06:23 ShadowNinja and what is the tile to the right of the cactus side?
06:26 kaeza TTC-Gambit, mimic is a monster from DnD IIRC (as well as the Dungeon Master)
06:27 kaeza http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimic_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)
06:29 TTC-Gambit that chest wants to punch him
06:30 kaeza in some games the Mimic is represented as a chest with a mouth, much like what you are doing
06:30 kaeza (mostly in jRPGs)
06:32 kaeza http://lparchive.org/Wild-Arms-5/Update%2016/48-WA5_315.jpg
06:33 kaeza 'Imitator' is just a variation in name for a higher level Mimic
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06:39 TTC-Gambit okay, finished the uv texture. now I just need to map it on
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06:44 TTC-Gambit maybe spit particles could added too
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07:47 kaeza wow github is turning into a completely web-based git client
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07:57 TTC-Gambit git indeed
08:01 TTC-Gambit http://filesmelt.com/dl/cursed_chest1.png
08:04 kaeza TTC-Gambit, excellent
08:08 TTC-Gambit now I just need to learn how to rip it in blender
08:09 TTC-Gambit i did this in lightwave
08:09 TTC-Gambit so i could present it as a mob of doom
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08:19 kaeza try as sapier said and find a format that LW and Blender have in common
08:19 kaeza ah misread that
08:20 TTC-Gambit actually Lightwave can export as .obj... so blender can open that
08:20 TTC-Gambit i just have to wrestle blender
08:20 TTC-Gambit it lags a bits for me
08:21 TTC-Gambit and rigs
08:21 TTC-Gambit not rip
08:21 kaeza in Blender, go to "File->User preferences" and under "Import/Export" enable "DirectX Model Format (.x)" and then File->Export->DirectX
08:26 TTC-Gambit how do it set blender so I can see textures in pixelated form and not smoth
08:30 kaeza I don't know how to do that yet
08:31 * kaeza does not use blender very often...or at all
08:32 kaeza I only use blender for quick converting model files
08:56 TTC-Gambit me
08:56 TTC-Gambit too
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10:51 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:52 ironzorg hello, alone
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10:56 PilzAdam thexyz, I delted all the spam in the dev wiki
10:56 PilzAdam should we ban all the IPs?
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11:07 jojoa1997|Tablet Is anyone updating the regular wiki
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11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet PikzAdam what do you think of my suggestion to have world config settings we could set biomes we want through that so it is works specific
11:10 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam ^
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11:37 thexyz PilzAdam: yes
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12:18 Traxie21|Kindle Can anyone tell my how the chat system works?
12:19 Traxie21|Kindle Basically, os the talking side of it implemented in C++ or Lua
12:21 PilzAdam its in chat.cpp
12:21 Traxie21|Kindle sheet
12:22 Traxie21|Kindle so many options if it was in lua
12:22 PilzAdam Lua only runs server side, but chat needs to be client side too
12:22 PilzAdam so its currently impossible to move it to Lua
12:22 Traxie21|Kindle Lol
12:23 Traxie21|Kindle Not what I meant
12:23 Traxie21|Kindle You know how minetest.chat_send_all works?
12:23 PilzAdam yes?
12:24 Traxie21|Kindle it'd be great if we were to override the default chatting to use minetest.chat_send_all
12:24 PilzAdam so, you want every chat message to run through Lua first?
12:24 Traxie21|Kindle Isn't there a callback for whenever a player says something?
12:25 Traxie21|Kindle ehh
12:25 Traxie21|Kindle yep
12:25 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L843
12:25 Traxie21|Kindle optionally
12:25 Traxie21|Kindle sorry, kindle hates links
12:25 PilzAdam the chat messages are send to all clients currently, but there is the minetest.register_on_chat_message() callback
12:25 Traxie21|Kindle ywp
12:26 Traxie21|Kindle I would like it if there was a way to disable default chatting and use that instead
12:26 PilzAdam what could be done is disabling the aut-send in the server (in C++) and only call the callback
12:26 PilzAdam *auto-send
12:26 Traxie21|Kindle yea
12:27 Traxie21|Kindle unfortunately, I cannot get MT to compile
12:27 Traxie21|Kindle I hate windows, but I'm stuck with XP
12:27 PilzAdam on a kinlde ;-)
12:28 Traxie21|Kindle my only internet-enabled computer is at work
12:28 Traxie21|Kindle soyea
12:28 Traxie21|Kindle what if chat was implemented in builtin instead of cpp?
12:29 Traxie21|Kindle I'm sure not everyone worries about lightning-fast chat
12:30 PilzAdam seems like you can return true in minetest.register_on_chat_message() to disable auto-sending in c++
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12:31 Traxie21|Kindle really?
12:31 PilzAdam look at builtin/chatcommands.lua and server.cpp (search there for TOSERVER_CHATCOMMAND)
12:31 PilzAdam well, gtg now, sry
12:31 PilzAdam bbl
12:31 Traxie21|Kindle does the message show up on the senders screen?
12:31 Traxie21|Kindle bai
12:35 kaeza is this a good response to spam? http://pastebin.com/X41F3L3P
12:35 kaeza LOL
12:35 kaeza btw, this is offtopic
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13:09 Kacey hi all
13:09 kaeza hey Kacey
13:11 Kacey i might get disconnected
13:11 Kacey i am watching a video
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13:14 STHGOM howe
13:14 STHGOM OHHHH
13:14 STHGOM BrandonReese!
13:14 STHGOM you got my message!
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13:19 STHGOM hello
13:20 kaeza hola
13:20 STHGOM ola
13:20 kaeza wave?
13:21 * STHGOM waves
13:21 Exio lol
13:24 STHGOM are you there BrandonReese?
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13:41 VanessaE hi all
13:41 Exio hi VanessaE!
13:43 STHGOM ola!
13:43 VanessaE good morning
13:44 STHGOM buenos dias
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13:49 * VanessaE pokes Jeija
13:49 Jeija Hi
13:49 VanessaE hey
13:50 Jeija Does anyone know how to rebase commits with other commits in between without having to merge everything again? (To be precise I want to rebase these: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/453/commits)
13:51 VanessaE I only know how to merge the last several together
13:52 VanessaE but now how to choose a bunch in the middle
13:52 Jeija That also wouldn't be a problem for me, but I have no clue how to do that with these commits I linked to
13:52 ruskie see cherry-pick
13:52 thexyz Jeija: checkout new master, then cherry-pick everything into it?
13:52 Jeija Would that mean I have to send a new pull request?
13:52 Jeija I also thought about cherry-picking...
13:53 thexyz you can overwrite your previous branch
13:53 VanessaE might be the best way
13:53 Jeija hm , ok
13:53 thexyz then p/r will be updated
13:53 Jeija ok
13:56 * Kacey is back for a few minutes
13:57 STHGOM bye
13:57 STHGOM be back in about 5 hours
13:58 Kacey bbl
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14:08 Jeija cherry-pick also doesn't appear to be my friend, also wants me to merge some .po files;
14:08 Jeija To whom it may concern: Can I just leave the pull request as it is so the people who know what they're doing with git can rebase it?
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14:26 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:26 PilzAdam thexyz, theres again lots of spam in the dev wiki
14:27 PilzAdam can change the settings so that only registered users can edit it?
14:27 PilzAdam +you
14:27 thexyz oh fuck, really
14:28 thexyz done
14:33 thexyz meh, that's not fun
14:33 thexyz why can't we just allow people to kill spammers?
14:34 thexyz legally
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14:37 thexyz ok, great
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14:39 thexyz i got it
14:40 thexyz what's the point of antispam question if answer can be easily googled?
14:40 thexyz THANK YOU, VanessaE!
14:41 VanessaE eh?
14:41 PilzAdam I added some labels to the issue tracker for minetest_game
14:41 thexyz ok, so
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14:42 thexyz now you all will have to identify cats, enjoy
14:45 thexyz hm, I was actually wrong
14:45 thexyz sorry, VanessaE
14:45 * VanessaE grumbles
14:47 VanessaE does't help that the previous method was kinda braindead :-)
14:47 thexyz should work better now
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14:49 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77182#p77182
14:50 kaeza "9 mese crystals cannot be crafted back into a mese block" <== WTF?
14:51 RealBadAngel fuck
14:51 RealBadAngel indeed
14:52 kaeza I am uploading a screenie just to piss this guy
14:52 kaeza </troll>
14:52 RealBadAngel and i just merged ShadowNinja's forcefield generator with recipe using mese blocks
14:52 RealBadAngel hold
14:53 RealBadAngel the recipe is not working
14:54 kaeza https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/mese.jpg
14:54 kaeza ?
14:54 RealBadAngel here it is not working
14:55 RealBadAngel shall i paste screenshot too?
14:55 kaeza crystals->block not working?
14:56 RealBadAngel yes
14:56 kaeza I just git pulled mt_game
14:56 thexyz nice topic there, kaeza
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14:56 RealBadAngel and i do have here fresh tree of game
14:56 VanessaE mese crystals -> mese block works fine for me
14:57 RealBadAngel for me dont
14:57 RealBadAngel can some1 dl fresh tree + minetest_game and confirm?
14:57 VanessaE I just updated seconds abo.
14:57 VanessaE ago*
14:58 thexyz nyan cat shows how free/libre/awesome minetest is, imagine non-free game having that kind of item
14:58 RealBadAngel mine is from 2 days ago
14:58 VanessaE RealBadAngel: check on my server, it works there, too.
14:58 VanessaE (just updated now, and restarted server to confirm)
14:59 VanessaE (also, the technic update I just pushed has been deployed thereto)
14:59 jojoa1997|Tablet RE YOU TRYING MESE CRYSTALS OR FRAGMENTS
14:59 jojoa1997|Tablet sorry caps
15:00 jojoa1997|Tablet re = are
15:00 jin_xi fuckin tablets have caps lock?
15:00 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/yONQmVA.png?1
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15:00 VanessaE RealBadAngel: wrong ones
15:01 VanessaE those are crystal fragments
15:01 VanessaE you need the whole crystals -> blocks
15:01 VanessaE (the pricess-cut yellow diamond one)
15:01 VanessaE princess*
15:01 jojoa1997|Tablet jin_xi i am using a keyboard
15:01 VanessaE (or was that brilliant cut?  I forget)
15:01 bas080 Minetest game has grass!
15:01 VanessaE bas080: yep
15:01 kaeza I had a wacky idea yesterday
15:02 kaeza 'singlestone'
15:02 RealBadAngel how much per gram?
15:02 jojoa1997|Tablet also android tablets you have to press the shift twice
15:02 kaeza a stone that appears only once in a map
15:02 bas080 Jungletree wood. Things are progressing fast! Who do we have to thank for adding this to default?
15:02 VanessaE wrong kind of grass, RealBadAngel  ;)
15:02 jojoa1997|Tablet guys
15:02 VanessaE bas080: PilzAdam
15:02 RealBadAngel hehehe
15:02 jojoa1997|Tablet can someone update the wiki
15:02 VanessaE also, moretrees now directs jungle-related materials to the new/old default items (except red/green/yellow leaves)
15:03 RealBadAngel VanessaE, you shall recommend using config to disable trees
15:04 VanessaE RealBadAngel: I'd rather someone just add a hook that moretrees can use
15:04 RealBadAngel with air alias trees are still being generated
15:04 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam ping
15:04 RealBadAngel and takin time
15:04 PilzAdam pong
15:04 kaeza also, fwiw, I made yet another "writable books" mod
15:04 jojoa1997|Tablet wait for it
15:04 jojoa1997|Tablet ........................ wait for it
15:04 jojoa1997|Tablet ADD YOUR FARMING STUFF TO MINETEST_GAME please :-)
15:04 VanessaE either let me read a config file from moretrees to decide if I need to generate beeches, or let me let moretrees tell the engine "don't generate any trees" without using those stupid mapgen aliases.
15:04 VanessaE I don't care which
15:04 VanessaE either way would be fine with me
15:05 jin_xi hey, quick moartrees question: is the initial angle ever changed?
15:05 VanessaE jin_xi: no, the initial angle is always 0 degreed, straight up
15:05 jojoa1997|Tablet and hunger in non creative mod(with configurability)
15:05 jin_xi i think slightly rotate trees could look cool
15:05 VanessaE but it would be trivial to vary it
15:05 VanessaE I will make that change in the next release.
15:05 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE set initial angle to 180
15:05 jojoa1997|Tablet upsidedown world
15:05 jin_xi well, check what it looks like, if its good keep and tweak it
15:05 kaeza PilzAdam, survival_modpack -> minetest_game puhleez
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15:05 bas080 I have been flying around for half an hour but cannot find a ruin. Only caves. Is it in the minetest_game? I have the daily build version...
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15:06 jin_xi ruin? they re dungeons
15:06 PilzAdam bas080, have you added dungeons to mg_flags?
15:06 VanessaE bas080: you mean dungeons?  you have to enable them explicitly.
15:06 bas080 No! have not!
15:07 VanessaE they're made at mapgen time, so you have to enable them in map_meta.txt and then either delete map.sqlite, or fly around some more
15:07 PilzAdam the proper way is to add it to minetest.conf and create a new world then
15:08 VanessaE hmmmm: we really *really* need a way to force the mapgen to re-run in blocks that have not been build in/on, if that is possible.
15:08 VanessaE PilzAdam: agreed
15:08 VanessaE but I don't think that works?
15:08 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam
15:08 jojoa1997|Tablet we need to have per world configuration like when you start a new world you can add different settings
15:09 PilzAdam hmmmm said he wants to wokr on this
15:09 jin_xi could be added to configure menu? i mean mg_flag settings
15:10 jojoa1997|Tablet no
15:10 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
15:11 jojoa1997|Tablet but i mean it is apart of the world creation menu like a bunch of drop downs or a button to the config menu
15:11 iqualfragile VanessaE: that is possible
15:11 iqualfragile no, it would be possible if treegen would be deterministic
15:11 iqualfragile but it isnt afaik
15:12 kaeza RealBadAngel, maybe offtopic: what is the texture pack you are using?
15:12 RealBadAngel haven
15:12 kaeza linkie?
15:12 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel could you show us a preview of the mods screen for UI
15:12 RealBadAngel hold on
15:12 jojoa1997|Tablet ok
15:13 iqualfragile (i dont mean RealBadAngels treegen, it uses a seed now, so its allright but i think the default trees dont)
15:13 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/HavenTP
15:13 kaeza RealBadAngel, thanks :)
15:13 iqualfragile can someone explain to me how to add servers to the multiplayer menue?
15:13 jojoa1997|Tablet who is the main updater for the wiki
15:14 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, i made default trees use seed too
15:14 jojoa1997|Tablet if you mean favorites atm no one
15:14 PilzAdam iqualfragile, yes, the default mapgen uses myrand() instead of pseudorandom() based on blockseed
15:14 iqualfragile oh, allrgiht then its not even very hard to realise i guess
15:14 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel could you show us a preview of the mods screen for UI
15:14 jojoa1997|Tablet have you started it?
15:14 jojoa1997|Tablet and will mods need to provide an icon
15:14 PilzAdam iqualfragile, I had a patch flying arround for that but since hmmmm works on this I wait for him to make it
15:15 RealBadAngel jojoa1997|Tablet, i cannot preview somethin is not done yet
15:15 RealBadAngel one shiny day, UI will wake up with API
15:16 EduardeCalibal If I make a block with a annimation I need make a tile for the dig process?  Here I see some strange distortion when digging...
15:16 iqualfragile PilzAdam: so there is no gui-way
15:16 * jojoa1997|Tablet makes shiny day by monday
15:16 iqualfragile still: how do i edit minetest.conf to add servers to the serverlist
15:16 kaeza EduardeCalibal, that also happens with e.g. homedecor TV
15:17 kaeza I don't think it was fixed yet {{cn}}
15:17 RealBadAngel brb
15:17 EduardeCalibal Is a bug?
15:17 kaeza prolly, but veeeeeeeery low priority
15:17 jojoa1997|Tablet Ping *Everyone
15:18 Everyone PONG
15:18 EduardeCalibal Then...  How I bypass this problem?
15:18 bas080 Found a dungeon! Also a lava cave with dirt sourrounding it. Looks really nice!
15:18 Everyone pong
15:19 jojoa1997|Tablet Everyone is owned lol
15:21 kaeza cool... that nick is mine now >:D
15:25 kaeza this will come in handy: http://i.imgur.com/xsxTpBh.jpg
15:26 VanessaE lol
15:26 VanessaE if that one doesn't work, try the industrial-strength version:  http://meetingking.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/sledgehammer.jpg
15:28 kaeza lol
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15:33 bas080 Can this be moved to adequate forum section http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=45183#p45183 thank you
15:34 thexyz bas080: moved
15:36 thexyz meh, cornernote
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15:38 VanessaE PilzAdam: buildable_to, good idea.  Just did the same for all plantlife nodes except flowers-in-pots
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15:39 thexyz people still complain about accidentally replacing chests with other nodes
15:39 thexyz is that bug known?
15:40 PilzAdam yes
15:40 VanessaE yep.
15:40 PilzAdam the problem is that Lua gets contetn ignore
15:40 PilzAdam (wich is buildable_to)
15:40 VanessaE happens to me from time to time also, the more the server lags, the easier it is to trigger that bug.
15:40 thexyz why can't we then make ignore buildable_to=false ?
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15:41 PilzAdam to remove "accidentaly placed ignore" (thats what the comment in builtin says)
15:42 thexyz how can it be placed?
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15:45 PilzAdam how does Lua get ignore?
15:45 thexyz no idea
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16:07 peterlein good day, everyone
16:07 PilzAdam hello
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16:09 VanessaE hi
16:10 khonkhortisan 'ello
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16:40 VanessaE http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/03/20/1520218/botnet-uses-default-passwords-to-conduct-internet-census-2012
16:40 VanessaE interesting way to use a botnet.
16:41 PilzAdam VanessaE, got rid of the "alien" mossycobble: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/c809fc9655158fe00264d9dc24aebcf1afab3d2a
16:41 VanessaE much better
16:41 VanessaE it no longer looks radioactive :D
16:42 sokomine ah, sounds good. that was bothering me as well. how does it look like now?
16:44 sokomine the version i compiled yesterday finally got the new mapgen :-) looks very nice with a jungle in default, those jungletrees with roots (normal treegen ought to do that as well for the huge trees!), the dark jungletree-wood, even the new cobble texture which allows new creations (if it wouldn't break existing buildings :-()
16:44 sokomine the empty dungeons are a bit strange. maybe sapiers dungeon masters would like to move in
16:45 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2003202013%20-%2012:45:16%20PM.png
16:45 PilzAdam I basically took the cobblestone and overlay the default_grass
16:45 VanessaE sokomine:  ^^^^
16:45 sokomine one dungeon even appeared in the sky...
16:45 VanessaE regular at left, mossy at right
16:45 VanessaE (yes, I still have a copy of the old map)
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16:45 sokomine yes, textures are hard to do
16:45 sokomine my things are usually all wood-textured. unless someone has mercy and provides a texture :-)
16:46 sokomine that's the current mossy cobble, isn't it?
16:46 VanessaE wait a sec, that screenshot ain't right
16:46 sokomine the one mobf used was iirc diffrent
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16:48 sokomine ah, hm, can't find the dm-vault offhand. deleted that with the dm (that happens to hostile mobs on my singleplayer world)
16:48 sokomine hi
16:48 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2003202013%20-%2012:48:30%20PM.png
16:48 VanessaE THAT one
16:48 VanessaE (forgot to update for that map)
16:48 sokomine definitely better
16:49 sokomine ah yes. what happened to the old mossy cobble? that looked even nicer iirc
16:49 PilzAdam VanessaE, it looks better if you place regular cobblestone in the wall too (as in dungeons)
16:50 VanessaE PilzAdam: that particular wall is actually the result of a translation the moreblocks mod did.  That used to be made with oerkki blocks.
16:50 PilzAdam sokomine, that had the old stonebrick as a base, so it had to be removed
16:50 sokomine maybe make the old texture mossy_cobble_brick or something
16:50 sokomine hm. then make mossy_stonebrick :-)
16:51 PilzAdam we have a pretty nice changelog: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.5_.E2.86.92_.3F
16:52 VanessaE that's not a bad idea actually.  default:stonebrick_mossy  to go along with the new stone brick
16:52 PilzAdam the proper name would be "default:mossystonebrick"
16:53 PilzAdam but I really dont want to add nodes that you cant get in regular survival gameplay
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16:55 sokomine hm. we might invent a receipe for them
16:55 sokomine can you get moss?
16:55 PilzAdam there is no moss currently
16:56 PilzAdam (there is moss in the snow mod)
16:57 sokomine hmm. the old texture was nice. it would be bad to no longer have it. maybe...mossy cobble + stonebrick = "infected" stonebrick
16:57 sokomine the snow mod is very nice as well. i have that in my worlds
16:57 PilzAdam that would be a nice mod
16:57 jordan4ibanez I created an auto chicken farm with the 1.5 update in minecraft and there are so many f***ing chickens it's messing up the sound buffer lol
16:57 PilzAdam abms to turn cobble/stonebricks into their mossy counterparts
16:57 sokomine ,-)
16:58 sokomine hope you feed them well
16:58 mauvebic ugh, default shouldn't have many abms
16:58 PilzAdam <PilzAdam> that would be a nice mod
16:58 mauvebic if people wanna be able to play with mesecons and a dozen or so more mods
16:58 PilzAdam there are ABMs in minetest_game, tough
16:58 mauvebic pipeworks likely has as many abms lol
16:59 mauvebic that i know :P
16:59 PilzAdam but they are _very_ limited
16:59 mauvebic ideally yeah :-)
16:59 sokomine sounds good if there are not too many abms
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16:59 mauvebic leave most of the cpu for all the other crap people installl lol
16:59 Leoneof hello!
16:59 sokomine what about the "infect"-receipe? that might do for survival. after all we craft complex things out of thin air
16:59 PilzAdam its very important to set proper neighbour field of ABMs to limit them
16:59 sokomine hi
16:59 Leoneof i can't run minetest, i get errors!
17:00 PilzAdam Leoneof, what is your OS?
17:00 sokomine what kind of errors? which version do you try to run?
17:00 Leoneof PilzAdam: Debian Wheezy
17:00 PilzAdam what version of Minetest do you want to run?
17:00 Leoneof ok, pastebin, wait.
17:00 sokomine leoneof: did you get the newest version from git and compile that?
17:00 Leoneof sokomine: it's from Debian repo
17:01 Leoneof apt-get install minetest :)
17:01 PilzAdam oh, that version is very outdated
17:01 PilzAdam I recommend to compile the latest stable version or use the PPA
17:01 PilzAdam https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable/+packages
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17:02 Leoneof http://pastebin.com/TXTFjp4r
17:02 Leoneof ^
17:03 sokomine leoneof: the debian repro is usually far behind. in this case it's not even only debian that is far behind. it really is much much better if you get the sources and compile yourshelf. that's not very difficult. takes only few minutes
17:03 Leoneof sokomine: ok, it's great to compile, i like it!
17:03 Leoneof hello Calinou !
17:04 PilzAdam Leoneof, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L79
17:07 Leoneof oh, irrlicht engine, didn't know it can do minetest :)
17:08 Leoneof PilzAdam: thanks, i will compile it
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17:08 PilzAdam note that the latest development version isnt that unstable, so you can use it when you dont want to run a server
17:10 sokomine the game quite often crashes when pressing f10 to view the chatlog. but that's a constant for most versions. if you avoid pressing f10, it usually runs fine
17:12 FreeFull I never had it do that to me
17:12 FreeFull I wonder what causes it
17:14 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/149
17:17 hmmmmm i'm still waiting for somebody to be able to reproduce that bug
17:17 sokomine unfortionately, the f10 crash happens very frequently with my client - in all versions
17:18 hmmmmm i already know how to (probably) fix it
17:19 hmmmmm sokomine, are there unicode characters in the strings of one of your mods, maybe?
17:20 sokomine apparently, player:set_view_yaw() is not coorect and needs to be named set_look_yaw. can you fix that on the changelog page at http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.5_.E2.86.92_.3F ?
17:21 PilzAdam done
17:21 sokomine hmm: there ought to be none. by now my debian is on unicode, and my keyboard layout is german, but i don't use umlaute or anything similar
17:21 sokomine it happens regulary on servers as well
17:21 sokomine might it have to do with the system still beeing debian stable (probably very old irrlicht build) with brand-new minetest?
17:22 VanessaE I can't edit the wiki because the picture-based captcha doesn't actually work.
17:22 hmmmmm no, if i'm right about what the bug is, it's because there's a unicode character somewhere in the chat box
17:22 sokomine recently, i even got crashes while typing in the t-chat. didn't have that before. f10 is still a very good candidate for crashes. sometimes it takes me many attempts to stay connected to a server
17:22 PilzAdam VanessaE, finally, working spam protection :-p
17:23 sokomine hm. most of the people i talk with talk in english...and that usually doesn't use unicode characters
17:23 VanessaE tried three times with three different sets of photos.  the capcha does not let me commit my edit.
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17:23 sokomine there are sometimes error message in the mouseover of signs where it says something about unknown unicode characters or the like (don't remember the exact message). that's on servers
17:24 PilzAdam VanessaE, I had the same problem in the wiki at minetest.com
17:24 PilzAdam after a day the capta havent appeard again
17:25 kaeza hmmmm, typing with accents does not work here. Is there another way to "inject" unicode chars into chat console?
17:25 kaeza btw, getting lots of this: "Could not find win32 key for x11 key.: 65105"
17:26 VanessaE odd, I was able to create an account, with the kitty cats captcha, just fine
17:26 VanessaE oh well, now I have one for the future. :)
17:26 sokomine maybe that's because minetest likes cats
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17:26 jordach sup
17:26 kaeza hai jordach
17:27 sokomine regarding unicode chars...hm...i'm not sure. äöüß are those that *might* occour...but i usually don't type them and have to concentrate if i want to use the proper spelling and not the old-typewrite-replacements
17:29 jordach kaeza ctcp version me 😛
17:30 kaeza wut
17:30 kaeza :D
17:30 kaeza TurboIRC?
17:30 jordach im on a snapple
17:31 jordach snapple piepad
17:31 kaeza cool lol
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17:32 jordach kaeza add the snapple piepad is a computers mod item
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17:32 kaeza jordach, read my post on deco pcs?
17:32 jordach hm?
17:32 kaeza computer*
17:34 jordach problems with free irc client, no multi servers :(
17:34 kaeza jordach, Snapple piePad added to TODO list :)
17:34 kaeza now trying to make a nice N64 texture
17:35 kaeza VanessaE, PING
17:35 kaeza what was the other thing you wanted to add?
17:35 kaeza Apple?
17:35 sokomine btw: setting num_emerge_threads = 2 did seem to help a lot on my dualcore cpu. mapgen got really fast (and cpu-usage up to 160%)
17:36 sokomine kaeza: wait a minute :-) i'm doing teleportation experiments with vanessa (hope the bug is fixed now...if not.....)
17:36 * kaeza is using ASEprite
17:37 kaeza sokomine, ok
17:38 VanessaE kaeza: I don't remember actually what it was, maybe a Wii
17:38 kaeza jordach, if mapp had a public function, i'd add Snapple Mapps
17:38 kaeza :D
17:38 kaeza VanessaE, right
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17:40 kaeza also, I want to get rid of the "OMG CRAP" rage face texture
17:42 Dante123 Hi all, was in here yesterday asking about setting up server for students to create pioneer villages in.  I opened account with freedns.afraid.org......I already have  a domain name ..(I use with my web host)...now what do I need to do next?
17:43 sokomine pioneer villages? sounds intresting
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17:45 sokomine set_look_yaw is irritating. i was expecting it to be in degree - and not in radians. mostly because debug info shows it in degree...
17:45 mauvebic that is confusing but you can use get look dir and derive degrees from that
17:45 mauvebic or convert radians to degrees lool
17:45 mauvebic *lol
17:45 VanessaE kaeza: use screenshots from minetest like with the laptop
17:46 sokomine in this case i can't. i want to set the look dir according to the way the receiving station faces
17:46 Calinou one does not simply
17:46 Calinou use a P4 to take photos
17:46 sokomine yes. but you have to know that the function expects radians :-) (just to convert them internally back to degree...)
17:47 whirm Dante123: you need to copy  minetest to the server
17:48 sokomine ah. there's math.rad apparently
17:48 sokomine dante: the dyndns is only for your players to be able to type in a name instead of an ip. what about the server? did you get that running?
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17:58 Traxie21 Mentlegen
17:59 kaeza and Dalies
18:01 Dante123 I have server on local machine working.  Just not sure what to do next with freedns.afraid
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18:04 AndChat|344441 Recess over, back later
18:06 Traxie21 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5186
18:12 sokomine ah yes...hm...how was that again to get mods from  mods/minetest/ instead of games/gametype/mods ?
18:17 Leoneof any link to download minetest from git?
18:19 PilzAdam Leoneof, go here https://github.com/minetest/minetest and click "ZIP"
18:20 Leoneof PilzAdam: thanks!
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18:29 sokomine hm. things dropped to the ground rotate. can that be simulated with larger ...er...entities?
18:31 mauvebic yeah
18:31 mauvebic setyaw by tiny little bits on step
18:31 VanessaE isn't there an auto-rotation call or something?
18:32 mauvebic possibly
18:32 mauvebic not that im aware of tho
18:32 VanessaE automatic_rotate = false,
18:32 VanessaE yes, there is :)
18:32 VanessaE though I doubt you can set the speed of it
18:32 mauvebic do many entities autorotate? lol
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18:33 sokomine vanessa has some ideas about making the travelnet boxes fancier :-)
18:33 Leoneof -- CURL_INCLUDE_DIR = CURL_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND
18:33 Leoneof ?
18:34 * jojoa1997|Tablet auto rotates
18:34 mauvebic i have transporter pads that dont work lol, i need to make a set of slidy doors, and convert my hovercar to a turbolift :p
18:34 mauvebic and somehow come up with an easy 3x2 viewscreen lol
18:35 PilzAdam Leoneof, install libcurl4-gnutls-dev
18:35 PilzAdam (thats the ubuntu package for it)
18:35 jojoa1997|Tablet i cant even fit my hair in there
18:35 jojoa1997|Tablet a 3x2 atom wide screen wow
18:36 jojoa1997|Tablet and you got programing to work at that LEVEL TOO!?!?!?!
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18:36 mauvebic ideally id like 1 piece instead of 6 tilable ones :/
18:37 Leoneof PilzAdam: -- Could NOT find VORBIS (missing:  OGG_INCLUDE_DIR VORBIS_INCLUDE_DIR OGG_LIBRARY VORBIS_LIBRARY VORBISFILE_LIBRARY)
18:37 Leoneof :\
18:37 jojoa1997|Tablet can i give evryone homework youtube style
18:37 Leoneof i don't know why "sudo apt-get build-dep minetest"  didn't get all packages to build
18:38 jojoa1997|Tablet well?
18:38 VanessaE because that's trying to build for 0.3.1
18:38 VanessaE 0.4.4 needs more stuff
18:38 VanessaE er 0.4.5
18:38 jojoa1997|Tablet make a how to video on how to make a how to video while watching a how to video on how to make a how to video all the while watching a how to vidoe on how to write a mod
18:39 Leoneof and because newer version need other packages
18:39 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: <insert "Yo dawg, I heard..." here>
18:39 Leoneof compiled
18:39 * jojoa1997|Tablet is confused
18:39 Leoneof libvorbis
18:39 * mauvebic needs coffee
18:39 VanessaE Leoneof: yep.  Just follow the build instructions on the README
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18:40 * Leoneof gives jojoa1997|Tablet some dates
18:40 onpon4 How do you change the color of wool, for the beds mod? Is there some sort of dye I can craft?
18:41 * jojoa1997|Tablet back with uncooked ramen noodles
18:41 * khonkhortisan needs to buy some more ramen
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18:41 Leoneof ramen?
18:41 PilzAdam onpon4, my beds mod?
18:41 * jojoa1997|Tablet sends 2 packs to khonkhortisan
18:41 mauvebic 3gb
18:41 onpon4 PilzAdam: Yeah.
18:42 mauvebic DS9 so far, a transporter pad and a bar: http://www.zimg.eu/i/682730984
18:42 PilzAdam onpon4, what wool do you have?
18:42 jojoa1997|Tablet ramen http://www.maruchan.com
18:42 Leoneof 70%
18:42 Leoneof can't wait
18:43 onpon4 PilzAdam: white. I got it by crafting it from cotton from another mod, the plantlife mod I believe.
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18:43 STHGOM HELLO EVERYONE!!!!
18:43 PilzAdam onpon4, yea, you have to use white wool to craft the bed
18:43 VanessaE hi
18:43 PilzAdam (maybe the forum post is outdated?)
18:44 jojoa1997|Tablet mauvebic you need to split up your mod pack into seperate mods. that way updates will be easier and people could use them more
18:44 Leoneof jojoa1997|Tablet: you're japanese?
18:44 onpon4 I'm pretty sure it says to use one red, two blue.
18:44 PilzAdam nope; i just looked at the code
18:44 jojoa1997|Tablet nope american
18:44 Leoneof :]
18:44 mauvebic there isn't that much left to split off mbbase, its basically multinode & helper functions lol
18:44 VanessaE mauvebic: I miss moreblocks OCD :(
18:44 jojoa1997|Tablet ramen is for poor college students but i am neither i just like ramen
18:45 mauvebic OCD was only necessary when moreblocks was broken, otherwise it was more or less the same nodes :p
18:45 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE what is that?
18:45 Leoneof make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so', needed by `bin/minetest'.  Stop.
18:45 Leoneof >_<
18:46 Leoneof i'm sure i have installed nvidia driver, and glibgl glibcgl
18:46 Leoneof maybe i have to reinstall nvidia :\
18:46 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: OCD?  basically the mod that got mauvebic started :)
18:46 mauvebic i even split off uifork from mbbase until ui main supports + pages
18:47 jojoa1997|Tablet ?
18:47 jojoa1997|Tablet link
18:47 VanessaE mauvebic: well what I meant was it blossomed into all kinds of potentially useful nodes...then it all sorta got recombined into what you now call multinode I guess
18:47 mauvebic not the same thing :P youre mixing decorative with useful
18:47 mauvebic mbbase itself has practically no nodes
18:48 mauvebic except for markers, pasterefs, rulers
18:48 mauvebic nbu has allll my nodebox furnitures
18:48 PilzAdam onpon4, does it work with white wool?
18:48 mauvebic hdb all my texture in various shapes
18:48 VanessaE decorative blocks can also be useful
18:48 onpon4 PilzAdam: No, I looked at the source and this version I have does need red and blue wool.
18:48 VanessaE remember half the fun of building is making things look really nice
18:48 VanessaE that's where the decorative stuff becomes useful stuff
18:48 PilzAdam onpon4, then download the latest version
18:48 VanessaE hence the "potentially" part
18:48 mauvebic there is method but to split them up further would be to split them by theme and not function
18:49 onpon4 The one that says it's for the latest dev version? I'm using 0.4.5.
18:49 PilzAdam I changed it to use white wool only, because you can get white wool in many mods but not the dyes to recolor it
18:50 PilzAdam onpon4, yes
18:50 onpon4 PilzAdam: Thanks!
18:50 mauvebic dunno if you tried terrain editor but it should work independently of all the rest now :p
18:51 PilzAdam I removed the link to the 0.4.4 version since 0.4.5 stable is out and its useless now
18:51 VanessaE PilzAdam: too bad unified dyes never made it into minetest_game :-/
18:51 onpon4 PilzAdam: I'd say there's still a small use for it: the latest version that's been packaged for Ubuntu is still 0.4.4, the only way to get 0.4.5 is to compile the source on that system.
18:52 mauvebic how many colors did it have?
18:52 VanessaE onpon4: no, the latest version is 0.4.5 git, from a couple days ago, if you have AMD64:
18:52 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=76724#p76724
18:53 VanessaE (I suppose I should post an updated build)
18:53 VanessaE mauvebic: it has 89 colors.  there are about 8 or 9 mods that use it.
18:53 mauvebic i can see where 89 might be a problem if you raise that to the number of nodes each modder wishes to support in every color
18:54 mauvebic even you admit the inventory is a bit crowded :P
18:54 VanessaE yeah, that's a big issue, and one which presently has no solution.
18:54 mauvebic support a fraction of those colors?
18:54 mauvebic but that breaks stuff :/
18:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77245#p77245
18:55 VanessaE strange, I don't see any spam.....
18:55 VanessaE ;_)
18:55 VanessaE ;)
18:55 mauvebic tho i hear theres a circular saw mod that hides various shapes of the same node?
18:55 VanessaE *drops banhammer on yet another schmuck*
18:56 VanessaE mauvebic: correct.
18:56 VanessaE moreblocks has a (slightly buggy) copy of it.
18:56 VanessaE it works quite well
18:57 VanessaE I've taken to using it as well
18:57 mauvebic it might be cool if we could define parents/children for nodes, would give it a tree-like structure
18:58 mauvebic though for the circular saw: would be cool builtinto UI
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18:58 markveidemanis Hi
18:58 STHGOM hi
18:59 markveidemanis I need a python program to collect data from raw_input and write that data to a file so the file should look like this?
18:59 markveidemanis :
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18:59 markveidemanis Name = "", Age = ""
18:59 mauvebic but yeah, i have something like 20 shapes for every building material (texture) and im looking for a way to expand/collapse those other shapes from the basic node
19:00 PilzAdam markveidemanis, this is the wrong channel to ask
19:01 twenty4 Can tools be given metadata or something equivalent? For instance, I'd like to give a weapon an experience stat
19:01 PilzAdam yes
19:01 PilzAdam metadata can be set for itemstacks
19:01 mauvebic hm, didn't know that
19:01 jojoa1997|Tablet poll
19:02 twenty4 Ok, coo
19:02 twenty4 *cool
19:02 jojoa1997|Tablet should i add a pull request to add obsidian tools and bcuets
19:02 PilzAdam no
19:02 mauvebic bcuets are cool
19:02 VanessaE no, we don't really need more standard tools
19:02 mauvebic whatever they are
19:02 jojoa1997|Tablet buckets could be used for transporting multiple lava nodes if pilzadam wants to implemenmt that
19:03 mauvebic you could create lava by super-heating stone (tool idea)
19:03 mauvebic youd need laser/phaser like heat
19:03 jojoa1997|Tablet ohhh
19:03 mauvebic or a cartoonish magnifying glass you hold over stone to turn into lava
19:04 mauvebic (or machine idea for mesecons/technic)
19:04 PilzAdam mauvebic, please create a mod for this so people stop whining about finite lava
19:04 jojoa1997|Tablet what about obsidian furnaces that can cook double items into new items and can cook stone and mese(together) into lava
19:04 mauvebic lol i wish, but 'would be cool' is code for 3 or more postits on my desk lol
19:04 jojoa1997|Tablet like smelting them together
19:05 mauvebic rba has mining drills, tweak those to turn stone to lava :-)
19:05 jojoa1997|Tablet could we please add obsidian something
19:05 jojoa1997|Tablet furnace tools bcket or even a new tool anything
19:06 PilzAdam we have obsidianglass
19:06 twenty4 obsidian knife
19:06 jojoa1997|Tablet a tool
19:06 twenty4 makes sense, and has historical precedence
19:06 jojoa1997|Tablet something that can be used on other blocks
19:06 twenty4 let it aid with crafting or something
19:06 twenty4 like, you need a knife to craft some things
19:06 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah
19:06 jojoa1997|Tablet ohh
19:06 ruskie needs to be a multitool
19:07 jojoa1997|Tablet knife cuts apples into 5 apple slices
19:07 twenty4 apple slices can be baked into a pie
19:07 jojoa1997|Tablet bakes apple slices and papyrus in a obsidain oven to make apple pie
19:07 twenty4 it's perfect
19:07 jojoa1997|Tablet or
19:08 jojoa1997|Tablet use it to help with some stuff in pilzadam farming mod which he will add to default
19:08 jojoa1997|Tablet we need more food and also stronger food
19:08 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam add gold
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19:09 VanessaE the decision regarding new ores is to wait until the C++ ore gen code is in place.
19:09 PilzAdam no
19:09 PilzAdam (that was to VanessaE)
19:09 VanessaE PilzAdam: ask hmmmm.
19:09 mauvebic im trying to think what other kinds of star-treky furniture is missing... fishtank?
19:10 VanessaE [03-17 15:30] <hmmmm> i don't want moreores added until i get the ore code in
19:11 mauvebic making it faster?
19:11 VanessaE so :P
19:11 VanessaE mauvebic: very much so, yes
19:11 jojoa1997|Tablet with stuff like ores in c we need definition in c++ and the actually defining how ores spawn in klua
19:11 VanessaE I transitioned technic over to using default.generate_ore() in preparation for this.
19:11 jojoa1997|Tablet just like biomes and mobs
19:12 VanessaE (I need to bug nekogloop to do the same if he hasn't already with glooptest/ores)
19:12 mauvebic sweet, dilithium
19:12 VanessaE mmmmm...  dilithium-y.
19:12 mauvebic energy crystals
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19:13 mauvebic good place to start for natural energy, otherwise you got steam engines lol
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19:13 VanessaE the sad part of that particular compound is that the real thing is a sort of chalky material that looks nowhere near what it's depicted as in any of the series' :-)
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19:14 mauvebic true, but obsidian is normally brittle too, so i doubt it would matter much here lol
19:14 VanessaE heh true
19:15 jojoa1997_Tablet I say we should have obsidian buckets
19:15 mauvebic otherwise, to create wind/hydro turbines, you'd need mettalurgy to make the parts
19:15 jojoa1997_Tablet That can transport lava that is found deep undefround
19:15 jojoa1997_Tablet The lava is called magma and like 4000 blocks down or more
19:16 jojoa1997_Tablet The mqgma is not my idea
19:16 VanessaE magma should be no higher than -30900 or so
19:17 jojoa1997_Tablet No
19:17 STHGOM LAD: can i be on yellow?
19:17 VanessaE i.e. the bottom-most dozen or so nodes, with a couple nodes' worth of heavy iron on the bottom
19:17 jojoa1997_Tablet I could never dig that far down
19:17 VanessaE jojoa1997_Tablet: no, but a lot of people do
19:17 jojoa1997_Tablet Magma at 10000
19:17 mauvebic magma would have to be the bottom-most layer of the map with springs rising up
19:17 jojoa1997_Tablet Yes
19:17 VanessaE there's one guy on redcrab's server, I forget who it was, that got down to -30912 or whatever the border was
19:18 VanessaE mauvebic: righjt
19:18 jojoa1997_Tablet Magma lake at bottom veins rising up
19:18 VanessaE that much is fin
19:18 VanessaE fine*
19:18 LAD <STHGOM> LAD: can i be on yellow? yes shur i'll add you right now
19:18 jojoa1997_Tablet And there could be a volcano per world
19:18 VanessaE but continuous magma/lava from -30900 on down.
19:18 jojoa1997_Tablet No
19:18 VanessaE intermixed with various kinds of stone as you approach that point
19:18 jojoa1997_Tablet Mag am below lava above
19:18 LAD just give me a sec STHGOM
19:18 jojoa1997_Tablet Mag am renewable
19:18 jojoa1997_Tablet ava not
19:18 mauvebic well yeah you have to stop players from going to the edges and filing dumbass bug reports about it lol
19:18 jojoa1997_Tablet Lava
19:18 VanessaE that's fair
19:19 Calinou hello tablet user
19:19 Calinou how's typing?
19:19 twenty4 I concur with jojo
19:19 jojoa1997_Tablet Me?
19:19 Calinou yeah
19:19 jojoa1997_Tablet What:-)
19:19 LAD just need to do something first
19:19 Calinou "I don't use a tablet often, but when I do, I suffix my name with _Tablet"
19:19 jojoa1997_Tablet My stupid keyboard died
19:19 Calinou buy a new one then, or fix it
19:19 Calinou cheaper than a tablet in both cases
19:19 jojoa1997_Tablet Awesome I am using my tablet b**** text
19:19 jojoa1997_Tablet Speech texrt
19:20 jojoa1997_Tablet Lol it thought I had a mouth
19:20 mauvebic ermahgerd
19:20 jojoa1997_Tablet No my Bluetooth keyboard did
19:20 jojoa1997_Tablet My touchscreen is fine
19:20 VanessaE -30912 to -30910:  hard iron.  -30909 to -30900:  magma.  continuous blend of magma up to lava. from there to about -30980.  Continuous mix of lava + various stones/ores/etc from there to about -30960.  Regular mapgen characteristics from there on up.  lava springs throughout the map as usual.
19:20 kaeza jehrjehr1997_terblert
19:20 VanessaE that's my proposal.
19:21 jojoa1997_Tablet No
19:21 mauvebic lava springs when they reach the surface would form valcones?
19:21 VanessaE shift everything down to the actual edge if I got the coords wrougn.
19:21 jojoa1997_Tablet Lava must be easier to get
19:21 mauvebic *volcanos
19:21 VanessaE jojoa1997_Tablet: "regular mapgen characteristics" = do the rest of the map the way we're doing now, with lava pools here and there up to wherever they stop now.
19:21 kaeza and make an unbreakable node layer at wherever the bottom is
19:22 jojoa1997_Tablet Yeah
19:22 VanessaE kaeza: yeha, hard iron.
19:22 jojoa1997_Tablet The bottom you can't fall through
19:22 VanessaE we don't need no steenkeeng "bedrock".
19:22 twenty4 No, lava would be the same as it is now. but magma would be Minetest's version of bedrock, that keeps you from digging too deep
19:22 jojoa1997_Tablet Yeah
19:22 kaeza VanessaE, no stupid minecrafty things
19:22 VanessaE exactly
19:22 kaeza add bedmese!
19:22 kaeza :D
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19:22 VanessaE you don't find "bedrock" under lava/magma.  you find the fucking iron core of the planet.
19:23 jojoa1997_Tablet But mag am has veins up to -40000 and magma is renewable
19:23 john_minetest the core of the earth is solid.
19:23 VanessaE so that's what belongs at the bottom of the map.
19:23 john_minetest :D
19:23 twenty4 It would give it kind of a dwarf fortress feel, too, since you'd have to be wary of magma floods at a certain depth
19:23 mauvebic you cant get to the core at y-30K tho
19:23 jordach pure iron blocks should be at the bottom of the world
19:23 john_minetest yeah. the core is a BIT deeper.
19:23 jojoa1997_Tablet Yeah magma rare at top of world but common at bottom
19:23 VanessaE jojoa1997_Tablet: I just said that like three times :)
19:23 VanessaE jordach:^^^^
19:23 jojoa1997_Tablet No you said no magma avove
19:23 jojoa1997_Tablet Above
19:24 VanessaE sigh, maybe I should just draw a damn picture :-)
19:24 mauvebic http://www.colorado.edu/physics/phys2900/homepages/Marianne.Hogan/layers.gif
19:24 jordach vanessa, just said that...
19:24 twenty4 Hey, what are the chances the default game would ever get Old Ones sleeping at the bottom of oceans and near the magma layer?
19:24 jojoa1997_Tablet I would bit I can't upload using tqblwet
19:24 jojoa1997_Tablet Tablet
19:24 mauvebic the crust is roughly 30km deep then you reach mantel
19:24 mauvebic *matle
19:24 mauvebic *mantle
19:25 jojoa1997_Tablet So we get magma rock
19:25 twenty4 Wouldn't that be awesome? if you're digging one day and suddenly you wake up Cthulhu?
19:25 proller i think about add possibility to make count of lava springs smoothly depend on deep, like very rare at y=0, 20% at y=-30000 and 100% at y=-39000
19:25 kaeza twenty4, +1
19:25 john_minetest twenty4: lol, cthulhu would be really nerdy. +1
19:25 kaeza add cthulhu mob at -30000
19:25 kaeza :D
19:25 jojoa1997_Tablet What is it? Pics
19:26 kaeza or perhaps an oerkkthulhu :P
19:26 jojoa1997_Tablet Or an oriki
19:26 proller kaeza, in new mapgen many huge caves at bottom, they needs in MONSTERS
19:27 jojoa1997_Tablet Pics what are those things
19:27 twenty4 Not Cthulhu specifically, you understand. But some kind of eldritch monster
19:27 jojoa1997_Tablet Pics I need pics
19:27 v2px noo it has to be cthulhu
19:27 twenty4 There are no pics
19:27 kaeza jojoa1997_Tablet, GIYF
19:27 twenty4 Cthulhu is literally beyond our comprehension, we'd go crazy if we saw him
19:28 jojoa1997_Tablet OK what is it from a game?
19:28 twenty4 You ever hear of HP Lovecraft?
19:28 jojoa1997_Tablet Nope
19:28 twenty4 Rather famous short story author?
19:28 twenty4 Go look him up, his stories are all open domain at this point, anyway
19:29 kaeza just remembered this one: http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2012/03/tumblr-m04xpw0nvp1rpjqk4o1-500.jpg
19:29 twenty4 But he was famous for writing about things beyond our comprehension, the same way we're beyond the comprehension of an ant
19:29 twenty4 here's what cthulhu kind of looks like http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78686/2114742-14080_1_other_wallpapers_cthulhu_monster.jpg
19:29 jojoa1997_Tablet hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia that is the fear of long words. Also the longest English word
19:29 twenty4 Anyway, one of Lovecraft's stories is called "Call of Cthulhu
19:30 NakedFury I could reduce that stupid excuse for a word to wordphobia
19:30 kaeza twenty4, you just found me a new backdrop. thanks :)
19:30 john_minetest lol: http://web.archive.org/web/20120409212845/http://minetest.net/
19:30 jojoa1997_Tablet So it is a sea monster
19:30 twenty4 Not quite
19:30 twenty4 More like a god, he just happens to sleep underwater
19:30 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/map-whatif.png
19:31 VanessaE there, that's what I was talking about
19:31 twenty4 But yeah, sea monsters are also something we need
19:31 jojoa1997_Tablet Lalalalala brain break
19:31 jordach http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77278#p77278 im tired of thie bullshit
19:31 twenty4 Ocean content in general would be nice. Minecraft and Test are both sorely lacking in that regard
19:31 Calinou <twenty4> You ever hear of HP Lovecraft?
19:31 * Calinou gets "ring of shadows" powerup
19:31 * Calinou is invisible but glows
19:31 john_minetest Maybe just showing a cthulhu picture when you are too deep :D
19:32 Calinou VanessaE: spawning lava at -30900? why not
19:32 jojoa1997_Tablet Jordach I don't care about renewable lava fully
19:32 Calinou totally possible
19:32 kaeza VanessaE, +1
19:32 VanessaE sky+dirt at the top, stone below that with red dots for lava springs, lava near the bottom, darker red is magma, the grey at the very bottom is hard iron.
19:32 jojoa1997_Tablet Look at logs
19:32 twenty4 We need sea monsters, Old Ones, coral, the necronomicon, sharks, all that good stuff
19:32 jojoa1997_Tablet We have been talking about a new lava magma
19:32 jojoa1997_Tablet what is CTCP
19:33 jordach jojoa1997_Tablet, using android i see? btw, im on my ipad
19:33 kaeza twenty4, Gambit is working on mimics
19:33 VanessaE given that magma is hotter than lava, it should flow faster, so it should have a lower viscosity than lava, but not as thin as water.
19:33 twenty4 That's in the right direction
19:33 kaeza should make nice "trap chests"
19:33 jojoa1997_Tablet Go tablets I gtg
19:34 twenty4 But I want to build an underwater city, look out in my glass bubble keeping the water out, and watch the abyss stare back at me
19:34 jordach bb
19:34 VanessaE jojoa1997_Tablet: look at the image first
19:34 jojoa1997_Tablet Trap chest only good for mesecons
19:34 VanessaE Calinou: yeah, and easily done even in lua, though definitely somethign better suited to the mapgen
19:34 jordach o crap, low battery
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19:34 jojoa1997_Tablet Vanessae
19:35 twenty4 I want to dig too deep and awaken a monster, that kills me and forces an evacuation from the entire mine
19:35 kaeza for whoever that cares about it: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77116#p77116
19:35 jojoa1997_Tablet Yes but add 2-3 magma springs encased in iron in the midle
19:35 VanessaE jojoa1997_Tablet: if iron is unbreakable, why do that at all?
19:35 jojoa1997_Tablet No it takes forever to brwak
19:36 VanessaE no, unbreakable - it would be the base layer of the world, too
19:36 VanessaE that MUST by definition be unbreakable.
19:36 jojoa1997_Tablet Wait
19:36 jojoa1997_Tablet What type of iron
19:36 twenty4 Better idea: past the lava, at the edge of the world, we just have an abyss
19:36 VanessaE I called it "hard iron" or "solid iron", and is what would be the minetest equivalent to "bedrock"
19:36 jojoa1997_Tablet No
19:36 jojoa1997_Tablet Hard iron lv10
19:37 kaeza lv99*
19:37 jojoa1997_Tablet Amend every time we break it we get an iron ingot and it goes down a level
19:37 * kaeza plays too much JRPGs
19:37 VanessaE no.  unbreakable, period.
19:37 VanessaE as unbreakable as clouds
19:37 jojoa1997_Tablet Make bottom clouds
19:37 VanessaE you should not be able to cut through the hard iron layer because then you'd be in a void.
19:38 twenty4 That'd be an enormous mindfuck
19:38 jojoa1997_Tablet OK what qabout
19:38 twenty4 dig too deep, and you wrap around to the top of the map
19:38 jojoa1997_Tablet Diamonds at bottom
19:38 VanessaE diamonds?  no
19:38 kaeza fuck no
19:38 VanessaE put those elsewhere in the map
19:38 jojoa1997_Tablet Twenty that would be awewome
19:38 kaeza hard iron is fine
19:38 jojoa1997_Tablet Yeah
19:38 jojoa1997_Tablet I know
19:39 jojoa1997_Tablet One sec
19:40 * PilzAdam found a dungeon that is partially in a lava pool
19:40 kaeza PilzAdam, pics or it didn't happen
19:41 jojoa1997_Tablet Have these blocks at bottom http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/troll-troll-face-l.png
19:41 VanessaE oy
19:41 VanessaE no thanks
19:42 kaeza this one is better http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/356/f/1/nope_avi_high_resolution_by_wango911-d4jv1vx.png
19:42 twenty4 fuck no, I can at least tolerate nyancat
19:43 PilzAdam kaeza, http://www.zimg.eu/i/4279677484
19:43 kaeza PilzAdam, cool
19:44 jojoa1997_Tablet Nice
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19:46 jojoa1997_Tablet Cha a VN d someone needs to updates the forums.
19:47 Leoneof hi
19:47 jojoa1997_Tablet Cya and someone
19:51 twenty4 does itemstack metadata have the same methods as node metadata? i.e. get_int()
19:54 Leoneof ok, what i can do with minetest? :)
19:55 STHGOM play
19:55 twenty4 Mine
19:55 twenty4 you can also Test
19:55 twenty4 Truly, it is the greatest game
19:55 Leoneof how about online?
19:56 twenty4 Yep, it's got that. There's a good number of servers available
19:56 Leoneof i have to register? :|
19:56 STHGOM nononon
19:56 Leoneof ok
19:57 STHGOM what kind play you want?
19:57 STHGOM PvP?
19:57 Leoneof STHGOM: dont know, something easy to understand it
19:57 STHGOM creative
19:57 PilzAdam Leoneof, I would suggest to play singleplayer first
19:57 PilzAdam (in creative mode)
19:57 STHGOM yessiree
19:58 twenty4 Try messing with the default game a bit, maybe install some mods. One of the advantages of Minetest is that mods are crazy easy to install
19:58 Leoneof PilzAdam: i did, but i want to see other people :]
19:58 PilzAdam then play on servers :-)
19:58 STHGOM hi
19:58 Leoneof ok, it need Address/port
19:58 STHGOM you can go on minetest.org 30015
19:59 Leoneof k
19:59 STHGOM there hundreds of servers
20:00 twenty4 In lua, how can/would I convert a string to a table?
20:00 Leoneof ok, why i can't compile minetest? i get this "make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so', needed by `bin/minetest'.  Stop."
20:01 Leoneof i have libGL.so :[
20:01 PilzAdam twenty4, what kind of string?
20:01 PilzAdam Leoneof, clear CMakeCache.txt and compile again
20:01 Leoneof PilzAdam: make clean ?
20:01 PilzAdam (also run cmake again)
20:01 twenty4 In an itemstack's metadata, I'd like to hold multiple values
20:01 PilzAdam twenty4, minetest.serialize() and minetest.deserialize() should help
20:02 Leoneof making
20:02 twenty4 PilzAdam awesome, thank you!
20:02 khonkhortisan can't you just store multiple strings in meta?
20:03 PilzAdam no
20:03 khonkhortisan local string = meta:get_string('mystring1')
20:03 twenty4 It looks like Itemstack meta is different than node metadata
20:03 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, not in itemstack meta
20:04 khonkhortisan oh
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20:07 jojoa1997|Tablet i just got an awesome idea
20:07 twenty4 aye?
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20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet in order to make lava source you can put mese fragments and obsidian shards in craft guid like this
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet OMO
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet MXM
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet OMO
20:08 dante123 hi all, okay can anyone help me with setting up my own server so that my students can access it from their homes
20:08 dante123 I have freedns.afraid.org account
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet mese reacts with obsidian to make lava
20:08 dante123 I have a domain name (that I generally use for a moodle server)
20:08 jojoa1997|Tablet oh cool will you be using it in class
20:08 dante123 and website
20:09 dante123 Yes, but I cant afford to spend anymore class time on it....so I want to make it available after school in the early evenings
20:09 dante123 for kids to continue building/working on as part of social studies/math
20:09 jojoa1997|Tablet what are you using it to do
20:09 jojoa1997|Tablet nice
20:09 twenty4 That's cool. what grade do you teach?
20:10 dante123 Early Settlers/Pioneers/ First nations (aboriginals) and perimeter, area, volume
20:10 dante123 grade 2/3 split class (small rural school in Canada)
20:10 STHGOM what do you need help with?
20:10 jojoa1997|Tablet what is 2/3 split
20:10 dante123 the buy in from the kids has been great
20:11 Leoneof PilzAdam: same error about libGL.so
20:11 PilzAdam dante123, ask VanessaE, she runs a server at home
20:11 jojoa1997|Tablet dante that is nice you can add games into scool work.
20:11 dante123 yes it was VanessaE that was helping me but I don;t quite understand how to use freedns.afraid.org
20:11 * jojoa1997|Tablet tries to get mom to think minetest is school work
20:11 dante123 Its the hook to get the kids more interested
20:12 jojoa1997|Tablet smart
20:12 STHGOM mesecons
20:12 STHGOM :D
20:12 dante123 and it can really be used well for school puposes
20:12 jojoa1997|Tablet next year my school will allow teachers to let kids use electronics inschool as a teachingmethod
20:12 jojoa1997|Tablet but
20:13 thexyz dante123: what do you want to do with freedns.afraid.org
20:13 jojoa1997|Tablet i heard people will have to share with those who dont have ones which i will not sign cause i already use the tablet for school purposes and teachers dont care(if it is me that does it)
20:14 twenty4 I'd assume that would just be for the tablets the school is getting, assuming that's what's happening
20:14 john_minetest jojoa1997: You have to find a shell-like-looking irc client. Then it looks like critical and very serious configuration work. :D
20:14 thexyz irssi?
20:14 thexyz oh, there's also IRC client for emacs
20:15 jojoa1997|Tablet nop
20:15 jojoa1997|Tablet nope
20:15 dante123 jojoa1997 ipads or other tablets at your school?
20:15 jojoa1997|Tablet kids bring their own things to school
20:15 john_minetest yeah, but jojoa is on tablet. There is emacs for tablets?
20:15 dante123 what is the breakdown in terms of OS
20:15 jojoa1997|Tablet we have 3000 kids in my highschool
20:15 Leoneof i have like this : http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=144
20:15 jojoa1997|Tablet my school uses windows
20:16 thexyz so you'll have to bring your own tablet and then share with other guys, right?
20:16 jojoa1997|Tablet not me
20:16 jojoa1997|Tablet i will not sign a contract if that is needed
20:17 dante123 so on my router, I need to do port forwarding (port 30000) in order for this to work....is that right?
20:17 dante123 winblows
20:17 thexyz dante123: yes
20:17 sokomine are tablets good for that sort of thing? thought they're mostly useful for consuming things other people have done - and not for contributing (they lack a keyboard)
20:17 jojoa1997|Tablet and i already use my tablet in the front of the class when teachers tell other kids to put away their phones
20:17 thexyz dante123: any port you want to use, UDP
20:17 jojoa1997|Tablet i have a bluetooth keyboard
20:18 dante123 okay, here are th pertinent fields it is asking me to complete.  local ip, local start port, local end port, external ip, external start and end port, protocol
20:18 jojoa1997|Tablet but i will be tablets phones computers all that stuff
20:18 sokomine ok, with a keyboard it's diffrent
20:18 twenty4 I can't imagine a tablet is good for any kind of work. Even on android I think they still lack some of the necessary programs
20:18 dante123 do I put for local the 192.168.x.x and port 30000 and then for external whatever IP my ISP is giving me?
20:18 jojoa1997|Tablet funny story
20:18 thexyz dante123: probably
20:18 thexyz I wonder why does it ask for external IP though
20:19 * VanessaE wanders back in
20:19 jojoa1997|Tablet my chem teacher yelled at someone in the black of class saying "there are no electronics in my class" and i am ion tablet typing away in here direct line of sight
20:19 dante123 that has been confused....o VanessaE is here
20:19 thexyz local is your pc ip, external port is what you want clients to connect to, internal is what you want to listen minetestserver on
20:19 dante123 can  you help me VanessaE?
20:20 VanessaE I'm afraid not, you're dealing with port forwarding stuff and NAT, to boot.  My server's behind a real IP without any kind of router (just my modem), so I didn't have to do any of that
20:20 jojoa1997|Tablet who here is in school? if you want to say
20:20 jojoa1997|Tablet i kinda want to know what you are taking
20:20 twenty4 Im in college, but it's spring break
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20:21 jojoa1997|Tablet nice
20:21 jojoa1997|Tablet 2 days for me then it is npc time
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20:22 jojoa1997|Tablet twenty4 what you majoring in?
20:22 twenty4 computer science
20:22 jojoa1997|Tablet cool i plan on astrophysics
20:22 twenty4 cool
20:23 dante123 what did you have to do from the freedns.afraid.org part of things?  I read the FAQ but Im still kind of clueless
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20:23 VanessaE dante123: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5632254/
20:23 VanessaE I downloaded this script
20:23 VanessaE attached it to a 12-hour cron job
20:23 Leoneof ok, it's compiled, just reinstalled libgl mesa
20:24 thexyz VanessaE: did you just give us your secret code?
20:24 VanessaE fuck
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20:25 STHGOM what is a good lua coder thingy-do?
20:26 dante123 Vanessa, I havent saved anything and will ignore if you want me to.....just really want to be able to give the kids access to my home server so they can work on this after school etc.
20:26 twenty4 STHGOM wut?
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20:27 STHGOM heeheehee
20:27 jojoa1997_Tablet VanessaE let her use it
20:27 VanessaE there, fixed.
20:27 jojoa1997_Tablet if it is good then why not let everyone use it
20:27 STHGOM like qt creator
20:27 VanessaE rotated my authentication token :=-)
20:27 VanessaE :-)
20:27 thexyz vim?
20:27 jojoa1997_Tablet vanessae
20:28 jojoa1997_Tablet VannessaE ping
20:28 VanessaE dante123: go ahead and use that script, but you'll need to change the URL and authentication token to match yours
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20:28 VanessaE jeez he has no patience.
20:29 jojoa1997_Tablet what
20:29 jojoa1997_Tablet VanessaE Hi :-)
20:29 VanessaE hi :-)
20:29 VanessaE PONG
20:29 VanessaE :)
20:29 dante123 VanessaE, I don't quite understand how freedns.afraid.org works....
20:29 VanessaE dante123: did you already set up an account with them?
20:29 VanessaE (it's free)
20:29 dante123 yes, I have an account
20:29 VanessaE ok
20:29 hmmmm [03:09 PM] <PilzAdam> no  <-------- yes
20:30 dante123 but dont know what I need to do next
20:30 iqualfragile dante123: VanessaE you should better use dhcp-client to execute the script whenever your ip changes
20:30 VanessaE did you establish a URL to use?  like where I got vanessae.mine.bz
20:30 hmmmm we aren't arbitrarily adding moreores in, a mod that's known to be slow
20:30 PilzAdam hmmmm, :-(
20:30 jojoa1997_Tablet :-D :'( :-\ O:-) :-[ :-! :-$ B-) :O :-* =-O :-P ;-) :-( :-)
20:30 hmmmm there's a plan to all thist
20:30 dante123 I have a url already....to my webhost that is zikes.ca
20:30 PilzAdam I dont want to add moreores in
20:30 hmmmm s/thist/this/
20:30 PilzAdam just more ores
20:30 jojoa1997_Tablet Those were all 15 android smiley faces
20:30 dante123 can I build off that
20:30 VanessaE dante123: I mean for your home server.
20:30 jojoa1997_Tablet I want more "ores"
20:31 jojoa1997_Tablet Not "more ores"
20:31 jojoa1997_Tablet Is what Adam is saying
20:31 dante123 no, i have no url for my home server
20:31 dante123 how do I do that.....
20:31 hmmmm it's fine, because i'm free of any crap to do, so i can devote my time to minetest now
20:31 iqualfragile great, build a unicorn
20:32 VanessaE dante123: hold a sec, lemme figure this out. it's been a while.
20:32 * jojoa1997_Tablet purrs
20:33 dante123 On the menu, it has domains, subdomains, web forward, dynamic dns, ....do I start with Domains
20:33 dante123 And do I have to pay to register a domain?
20:33 VanessaE dante123: ok.  Sign into your account.  Click "Registry" on the left.  A list of domains will come up.
20:33 jojoa1997_Tablet domain is the x axis
20:33 * NekoGloop hisses
20:33 VanessaE Pick one that looks nice.
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20:33 VanessaE click it.
20:33 VanessaE then fill out the details in the next page.
20:33 VanessaE it's free, no cost.
20:33 NekoGloop click it, click it gooooood.
20:33 jojoa1997_Tablet so could i host a server
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20:34 dante123 okay, I see quite a few....I think I will go with info.tm
20:35 jojoa1997_Tablet VanessaE couldi host a server without ever port forewarding to my computer
20:35 VanessaE For the type, stick to "Type A".  for the "subdomain", just make up a one-word title for your server.  In my case, that's "vanessae" because I couldnt think of anything better.  For the Domain, leave it be, it'll be whatever you picked.  For the Destination, plug in your current IP address.
20:35 VanessaE jojoa1997_Tablet: depends on your networking setup.
20:36 VanessaE dante123: then just click "save"
20:36 dante123 okay now it prompts me for type, a subdomain name
20:36 VanessaE yes.
20:36 VanessaE subdomain is basically what you want to call your domain record.  like dante123(.info.tm), or dantes-super-server(.info.tm)
20:37 Leoneof hello, i get this error http://pastebin.com/gNHT2SAQ
20:37 Leoneof why?
20:37 jojoa1997_Tablet or vanessae.info.tm
20:37 VanessaE jojoa1997_Tablet: vanessae.mine.bz but yeah, same diff.
20:37 VanessaE Leoneof: are you running the proper 3d drivers for your hardware?
20:37 VanessaE dante123: got that so far?
20:37 dante123 yes, i have it
20:38 VanessaE ok good
20:38 Leoneof VanessaE: yes, this driver is from offical website, nvidia
20:38 VanessaE now fill in your external IP address in the destination field.
20:38 jojoa1997_Tablet When is sfan5|OFF ever on
20:39 VanessaE jojoa1997_Tablet: randoml
20:39 VanessaE y
20:39 dante123 it picked up my external ip automagically
20:39 VanessaE dante123: now click "save" and you'll see your DNS record appear.
20:39 VanessaE excellent.
20:39 dante123 yes I have done that
20:39 dante123 thanks.  whats next
20:40 jojoa1997_Tablet does anyone know how far he has goten with an android minetest
20:40 VanessaE next, click "Dynamic DNS" on the left.
20:40 jojoa1997_Tablet he = sfan5
20:40 dante123 ok
20:40 VanessaE then at the bottom of the page, find your new domain and click "Direct URL" next to it.
20:40 VanessaE you should get an error message.
20:41 dante123 yes, ERROR: Address x.x.x.x. has not changed.
20:41 VanessaE now, copy and paste the URL from the browser's Address Bar, and put that into a text file somewhere for the moment.
20:41 dante123 with x.x.x.x being my current external ip
20:41 jojoa1997_Tablet Pilzadam why chnage mossy cobble
20:41 dante123 ok done
20:42 VanessaE dante123: ok, now get that script I linked you to.  change the "UPDATEURL" variable so that it is equal to the address you just copied.
20:42 VanessaE then change the DOMAIN variable to point to your new domain name.
20:43 PilzAdam jojoa1997_Tablet, because the texture looked ugly before
20:43 Exio jojoa1997_Tablet: if you are able to get irrlicht compiled to android
20:43 Exio having minetest "then" will be easy ;)
20:43 VanessaE jojoa1997_Tablet: because it looked like radioactive cobble rather than mossy cobble, before.
20:43 Exio i want radioactive food
20:44 Exio :D
20:44 dante123 okay, that is done.
20:44 VanessaE dante123: you're done.  Save the script somewhere, make it executable, and plug it into cron, or your DHCP client as iqualfragile suggested, so that it executes as needed.
20:44 VanessaE msg me your full domain name and I'll ping it.
20:44 jin_xi ok so i had this idea for a game once hunger bars are in
20:45 jin_xi communist minetest!
20:45 dante123 which is easier to do, put into cron or dhcp client (ive never done either)
20:45 VanessaE for me, cron was easier.
20:45 VanessaE my cron entry is simply:  0 6 * * * /home/minetest/update-freedns.afraid.org.sh
20:46 dante123 did I paste the right thing you need into msg
20:47 iqualfragile dante123: its easier to add it to cron but its better to add it do dhclient
20:47 kaeza <Exio> i want radioactive food
20:47 kaeza survival_hazards:toxic_waste+default:apple :D
20:47 Exio inb4 kaeza writes a "LSD" mod
20:48 twenty4 Someone should make a STALKER mod
20:48 kaeza Exio, there is already smokes, pot, and alcoholic beverages
20:48 kaeza (mods)
20:49 john_minetest Yeah. to be exact there are 2.
20:49 kaeza there's also shrooms
20:49 john_minetest One by ragnar. In his, drugs heal. In mine (edudrugs), the drugs hurt. I made the textures for both mods.
20:49 twenty4 Add in radioactivity, anomalies, mutants,
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20:50 twenty4 combine it with whatever food, gun and armor mods there are
20:50 PilzAdam the old 2D player is a mutant
20:50 iqualfragile yes he is
20:50 kaeza PilzAdam, I made aquestion about that long ago
20:50 twenty4 i mean stuff like this thing http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/52/files2/94091_2.jpg
20:51 kaeza I didn't know that was the answer
20:51 kaeza :D
20:51 VanessaE a mutant eh?  I always thought it was a wizard or something
20:51 Exio i don't think it was a mutant, looks more an alien :D
20:52 john_minetest These mutant things look like the dogs from black mesa source.
20:52 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3840
20:52 twenty4 Has no one here heard of STALKER?
20:53 kaeza VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=53381#p53381
20:54 kaeza twenty4, 403 - Forbidden
20:55 whirm yeah, I love the stalker series
20:56 kaeza I'd like to see flying hostile mobs
20:56 jojoa1997_Tablet ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz
20:56 jojoa1997_Tablet I would like to see mobs period
20:56 kaeza Wyverns, Harpies, that kind of stuff
20:56 kaeza not the enderdragon crap
20:57 twenty4 Crows that eat crops unless you place scarecrows
20:57 kaeza twenty4, +1 at least some use for those scarecrows :P
20:59 Exio there is a pathfinding patch
21:00 Exio oh, it doesn't support "air paths", ok
21:00 * kaeza is going to change DMs for Cacodemons, Vombies for Former Marines, and Big Reds with Cyberdemons
21:00 Exio kaeza: here, you have something to do >:D
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21:02 kaeza DOOMTest
21:02 jojoa1997|Tablet w?
21:02 twenty4 YES
21:02 Exio i'd like to see a way to walk in the walls :P
21:03 jojoa1997|Tablet im sooooo tired
21:03 jojoa1997|Tablet can someone send me some candy
21:03 kaeza https://store/candy.zip
21:03 jojoa1997|Tablet or bread roles
21:04 jojoa1997|Tablet i prefer bread roles over everything
21:04 jojoa1997|Tablet BREAD
21:04 jojoa1997|Tablet ROLES
21:04 jojoa1997|Tablet ! ! ! ! ! RULE ! ! ! ! !
21:04 kaeza ^spam
21:05 kaeza <-- bad troll
21:05 jojoa1997|Tablet sorry i havent gotten any sleep within the last 2 days and still have homework to do
21:05 * kaeza highfives jojoa1997|Tablet
21:05 jojoa1997|Tablet i cant think straight and i have lightly slept for the last moneth
21:06 * jojoa1997|Tablet high misses kaeza
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet #SPAM
21:06 jojoa1997|Tablet kaeza go troll there
21:06 kaeza :c
21:08 NekoGloop Yes
21:08 jojoa1997|Tablet what is :c supposed to mean
21:09 mauvebic roles?
21:09 NekoGloop at least have mythological creatures
21:09 kaeza a Gloop?
21:10 NekoGloop no
21:10 jojoa1997|Tablet NO a Neko
21:10 jojoa1997|Tablet or a kegloo
21:10 NekoGloop I mean ones that exist in mythology
21:10 NekoGloop kegloo = igloo made from kegs?
21:10 kaeza ogres, orgs, TROLLOLOLS
21:11 kaeza orcs*
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21:15 * john_minetest puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
21:17 * NekoGloop cocks shottie
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21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet i.....m .......los.....ng .... mi.....
21:20 Uberi netest?
21:20 jojoa1997|Tablet i am losing my mind
21:21 Uberi ah well I'll tell you if it turns up anywhere around here
21:21 Exio what, how can you lose something two times
21:22 jojoa1997|Tablet ok call me at 1-800-LOST-YOU
21:22 john_minetest Exio: If you find it again you can lose it again.
21:22 jojoa1997|Tablet y...e....p
21:22 john_minetest Exio: Or you can lose it physically and psychically.
21:22 * john_minetest is philosophic now
21:22 Exio john_minetest: jojoa's brain will never return
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21:25 Uberi prepare yourselves for a big WorldEdit update!
21:26 Uberi I just need to test dynamic module loading and I'll press the Submit button
21:26 sokomine oh! intresting. what will the update do?
21:26 Uberi unification of the schematic system, API cleanup, and dynamic module loading
21:27 john_minetest Exio: return is only a 3-Dimensional term. His brain has always been in his time, his 4-Dimensional space. So it was 3-Dimensional lost but 4-Dimensional it has never been lost, it was always there.
21:27 Exio ok
21:27 sokomine in how far unification?
21:27 NekoGloop Will we finally see another prepackaged update, Uberi?
21:27 * Exio throws lava at john_minetest's head
21:27 Uberi sokomine: there are only 3 functions to deal with WorldEdit schematics now, and they support EVERY version since 0.1
21:27 * STHGOM catches it will a kitten
21:28 Uberi NekoGloop: hmm? it's always been packaged by GH
21:28 STHGOM bye everyone!
21:28 sokomine so mostly internal changes?
21:28 Uberi see ya
21:28 NekoGloop Yes but some people just wanna hit a download link from the forum page and not need to rename, like me
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21:28 Uberi NekoGloop: you don't need to rename, actually
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21:28 john_minetest Exio: On the other hand, if you look at it from the Quantum-Mechanical side - if you don't see the mind, you can't say if it is there. Like the moon. Or schroedinger's cat. So the mind didn't exist in the moment, because he didn't observe iit.
21:28 Uberi the modpack naming system makes it work out of the box
21:28 NekoGloop minetest won't load "worldedit-master" because of the hyphen
21:28 * john_minetest is becoming even more philosophic now
21:29 Uberi NekoGloop: what? whenever I install minetest I just download it, copy it into the mods folder, and run it fine
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21:29 Uberi john_minetest: if a tree falls in the forest, what color are the bus driver's eyes?
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21:30 NekoGloop purple
21:30 john_minetest If noone watches the eyes or the tree, you can't say if the bus driver's eyes even exist. But if they exist, they are purple.
21:30 Uberi :/
21:30 Uberi ...well played
21:31 john_minetest *the bus driver's eyse and the tree
21:31 NekoGloop Yay I was right! :D
21:31 sokomine there are no busdrivers in minetest! but if there where, their eyes would probably be red (they're the ones hiding in the minetest logo)
21:31 john_minetest No. The one hiding in the logo is the gardener.
21:31 sokomine :-)
21:31 Uberi :O
21:32 NekoGloop That's why the grass is so short
21:32 john_minetest And the tree hasn't fallen yet.
21:32 sokomine uberi: i use your worldedit format as well for my random_buildings. did anything change with the format or will it stay the same?
21:33 sokomine no, got to have the timber mod installed for falling trees. else they ignore gravity
21:33 john_minetest So with timber mod there are busdrivers.
21:33 Uberi sokomine: it's now in minetest internal serialization format
21:33 sokomine who knows!
21:33 Uberi but don't worry about it
21:33 Uberi all worldedit API functions now support all worldedit files
21:34 Uberi regardless of version
21:34 sokomine minetest.serialize?
21:34 Uberi you don't need to do anything, it detects it automatically
21:34 Uberi no, minetest.serialize only serializes in the new format
21:34 sokomine hmm, wrong. in that case i need to do something...especially if players save their blueprints with the new format and want it imported
21:35 Uberi sokomine: oh, you have custom parsers for the WE format?
21:35 Uberi just use worldedit.deserialize, it will load the blueprint
21:35 sokomine how's minetest internal serialization format constructed? is it very close to the way it's stored in the database for faster changes? or just another format?
21:35 Uberi yes, it's how node metadata is stored in the MT database
21:36 Uberi also, this will be the last time file formats are changed, since this format is extensible
21:36 sokomine ah. that's intresting. and can you use that for fastr/more secure changes?
21:36 Uberi yep
21:36 sokomine sounds very intresting
21:36 Uberi it's live! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77321#p77321
21:37 Uberi fully backwards compatible with old versions, including the API
21:38 sokomine one other thing though...there is e.g. this nice creative server vanessae operates. the creative part there is of very limited value since you still have to manually place one block atop of each other. a *limited* worldedit that works only in a region owned by the player would be great. maybe limited to x nodes/command
21:38 Uberi hmm, interesting idea
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21:39 Uberi I'll give a shot at it now
21:39 sokomine fine :-)
21:40 sokomine also something else i'll have to implement if you don't: a..hm..node/chest you place in the world, draw a second node out of that, place that second one, input filename and thus save the building (instead of punching nodes). with a formspec that allows to tear down the building (i.e. set the area to air), pick up the chest, place the chest elsewhere and let it load the blueprint
21:41 mauvebic simple: make commands that check pos1 pos2 against protected regions
21:41 mauvebic you already get the player name from the chat command
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21:41 Uberi sokomine: not sure what you mean...
21:43 Uberi sokomine: but the region thing is definitely possible
21:43 mauvebic i think he means a portable home in a chest
21:43 Uberi where are the regions defined?
21:43 mauvebic the chest deploys the house, digging the chest removes the house with its current (updated) contents
21:43 Uberi mauvebic: oh that's pretty cool actually
21:44 Uberi sokomine: in a file or something? some sort of protector mod?
21:44 mauvebic yeah could be an idea for establishing outposts
21:44 mauvebic dont know *which* node protection is most used tho
21:44 sokomine yes, portable home chest somehow describes it. mostly a way to easily store the blueprint of a house - and in survival mode - move it to a diffrent place if necessary
21:44 Uberi yeah, aren't there like 3 or 4 now?
21:45 Uberi sokomine: basically, where is the region assigned to which player stored?
21:46 sokomine hm, in this case: the house is there first. then the player wants to move (e.g. neighbourhood changed to the worst). so the player "packs" up in the chest (which effectively stores the filename, removes the house at the old location, and later places it again)
21:46 dante123 VanessaE, thank you very much for your help.  It seems to be working....from another computer using external ip.  Will test from school next.  Thanks again everyone that assisted.
21:46 sokomine if you cover node_ownership and protector, that ought to cover most
21:47 sokomine iirc the function was included in the general-purpose-lib
21:47 mauvebic or simply implement some sort of user == chunk access to worldedit, limit the scope
21:48 Uberi I'll see if I can read node_ownership's data first
21:48 mauvebic afterall, using construction equipment doesn't entitle people to demolish city hall with it lol
21:48 sokomine supporting the most common protection mods ought to be enough. other ones actually used will be requested by players soon enough i think
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21:50 sokomine my random_buildings-buildchests (modeled after the towntest mod) can already be used to "spawn" scaffolding for a building. if you insert material into the chest, as soon as there's enough of one material, the scaffolding gets replaced with that material where it occours. the house can be removed as well
21:51 sokomine an easy way to store further blueprints of self-built houses will be needed there
21:53 Uberi sokomine: how about players can only use WE in areas they own?
21:54 sokomine uberi: yes, that would be fine. maybe you can split the privs to "general world edit" (for admins) and "limited world edit" (given to normal players on creative servers)
21:55 Uberi hmm, this will need to be a separate mod
21:55 Uberi worldedit_limited
21:55 mauvebic or plain worldedit priv and worldedit_admin for universal accs
21:55 sokomine yes, that would be fine
21:56 mauvebic easier to type /grant <balh> worldedit then always adding _limited
21:56 Uberi true
21:58 mauvebic might also want to impose ceilings on operations so people can't stupidly crash a server doing billions of changes lol
21:58 Uberi that too
21:58 john_minetest What would worldedit_limited be for?
21:59 Exio i don't think WE should be for "normal plays"
21:59 Exio players*
21:59 Uberi for granting potentially untrusted players WE-like abilities
21:59 john_minetest Exio: +1
21:59 mauvebic well that could be a config option
21:59 Exio maybe the limited WE for "trusted players"
21:59 Exio or so, but not everybody
21:59 john_minetest If someone has got worldedit, he can do everything.
21:59 Uberi definitely
21:59 john_minetest Everything that can be used to created can be used to destroy.
21:59 Uberi the //lua command can literally do anything a mod can do
22:00 Uberi that includes deleting files on the server and shutting the computer down
22:00 sokomine oh. so you won't want the lua command for those limited worldedit players
22:00 john_minetest A player who always looked serious and trustworth could be a griefer who uses WE to put stuff everywhere.
22:00 Uberi that's why you only give the worldedit_lua priv to VERY trusted players
22:00 sokomine it is intended to provide better building capabilities without risking your entire server
22:00 john_minetest WE to any user risks the server.
22:00 * VanessaE is back
22:01 mauvebic ideally you want tools to be available to the people that can and want to use them, its up to the admin not to let just anybody do anything
22:01 Uberi os.execute("rm -rf /") could end badly, you see
22:03 mauvebic its kinda like having to catch every case of impossible paramaters that people try lol
22:06 Uberi OK, I got a basic whitelisting system in place
22:07 sokomine fine! most what would be useful are things like replace and set. it ought to be used for easier/better building
22:09 VanessaE Uberi: going for user-capable limited worldedit?
22:09 Uberi yep
22:09 VanessaE sweet
22:10 Uberi I'm still working out how to best read regions from protector mods though
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22:10 VanessaE use the code in my homedecor mod
22:10 VanessaE there's a function in there that checks if a node is owned
22:10 Uberi oh neat
22:11 VanessaE you could just check all eight corners for ownership, if any of the eight is owned, disallow the command.
22:11 VanessaE if all eight are not, allow it.
22:11 sokomine no, i thought about the reverse: allow worldedit *only* in those areas you own
22:12 sokomine else players could cause a lot of truble very easily
22:12 Uberi should //copy and //move be available?
22:12 Uberi hmm, //move is too useful not to have
22:14 VanessaE yes, definitely
22:14 VanessaE as long as the source and destination regions are un-owned or owned by the player c
22:14 VanessaE calling the command.
22:15 VanessaE oh, only in areas you own?
22:15 VanessaE actually that's better.
22:15 VanessaE forget unowned areas.
22:15 sokomine :-)
22:15 VanessaE so use my code to check that the calling player owns both the source and destination areas.
22:15 Uberi cool
22:16 Uberi which protectors does it support?
22:16 Uberi oh OK it's in the port
22:16 john_minetest <random> http://www.taghua.com/ </random>
22:18 Exio what does it has?
22:18 Exio flash blocked
22:18 Uberi also need some way of preventing people from making unlimited amounts of schematics
22:18 VanessaE it supports node_ownership and glomie's protection mod
22:19 Uberi perfect, I'll be using that then
22:19 VanessaE (patches welcome to make it support other, more recent ones ;-) )
22:20 proller testing of float islands: DEV TESTING server  height 200+, upper - more often and bigger
22:22 Uberi proller: is turqoise sand part of the floating island stuff?
22:22 Uberi also is the server the same as yesterday? I can't connect to it
22:23 proller no, now stone with default dirt gen
22:23 proller same, but 30000 port
22:23 proller see in public list
22:23 Uberi ah
22:24 proller maybe too rare at bottom
22:24 khonkhortisan Does anyone disagree with my https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/553 ?
22:24 * NekoGloop wants FLOATING ISLANDS LULZ
22:24 VanessaE khonkhortisan: seems okay to me.
22:24 Uberi I think it's fine khonkhortisan
22:25 khonkhortisan okay, I'll wait patiently then :)
22:25 Uberi is it the dev testing server proller?
22:25 Uberi because I am having trouble connecting to that one too
22:26 proller yes, i see many connect timeouts, but not understand wht
22:26 proller why
22:28 PilzAdam proller, do you have animals mod installed?
22:28 proller yes, remove<
22:28 proller ?
22:28 PilzAdam Id says run vanilla minetest only in dev server
22:28 proller ok
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22:33 proller restarted
22:33 proller only sponge mod
22:34 khonkhortisan I have an old github notification that goes to a 404
22:34 khonkhortisan I blame Uberi
22:34 Exio celeron55/... minetest/...? :P
22:35 khonkhortisan mesecons commit, jeija and uberi involved
22:35 khonkhortisan could've been caused by a simple git commit --amend
22:35 PilzAdam proller, I dont like these stone-only islands
22:36 proller suggestions?
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22:37 proller teleport 0,30000,0
22:37 proller i can fill sand
22:39 PilzAdam I also dont like these very small islands (like Im standing on right now)
22:40 sokomine does anyone know about the default player model (used for some mobs as well) and sitting/sleeping? are those animations in there?
22:40 john_minetest gtg, bye
22:42 jojoa1997 joined #minetest
22:42 jojoa1997 im back with my computer thisa time
22:42 kaeza would changing my signature to "Um. Anyone who says 'Um. We need our renewable lava back!!' should just learn to edit default/init.lua!!" be too "agressive"/whatever?
22:42 jojoa1997 yes
22:43 jojoa1997 do you want to change it every time you update and think anout all the non forum account minetest users
22:43 Exio update it right
22:43 Exio and profit
22:44 Exio jojoa1997: do you know how git works?
22:44 Leoneof this channel is very active O_o
22:44 VanessaE quite so
22:44 jojoa1997 yep]
22:44 Uberi khonkhortisan: if you want to know what the commit was, just tell me the message and I'll look it up :)
22:44 jojoa1997 you should have seen when we were discussing adding gold
22:44 kaeza Leoneof, you should take a look at #winehq :P
22:45 * Uberi had some food
22:45 Exio Leoneof: too active
22:45 Leoneof ok
22:45 kaeza Leoneof, it can take a day or two before someone utters a line in there
22:45 kaeza :P
22:45 jojoa1997 it all depends on what is going on
22:46 Taoki joined #minetest
22:46 Leoneof jojoa1997: you're mojo jojo ? :)
22:46 jojoa1997 ._.
22:47 kaeza Leoneof, not THAT intelligent anyway :P
22:47 Guest88189 joined #minetest
22:47 * jojoa1997 attacks the powerpuff girls
22:47 kaeza jojoa1997, J/K :P
22:47 * jojoa1997 gets talked by girl football players ;)
22:47 Exio woot
22:47 jojoa1997 like a football takle
22:48 Uberi hey proller, what are the islands supposed to look like up near 30000?
22:48 Exio VERY LUCKY THIS GUY
22:48 kaeza jojoa1997, turn off autocorrect
22:48 kaeza oh wait
22:48 kaeza nvm
22:48 jojoa1997 i am on my computer
22:48 Exio kaeza: wut? :P
22:48 jojoa1997 i have no hoimework tonight
22:48 proller Uberi, bigger
22:50 VanessaE jojoa1997: get a spellchecker :)
22:50 jojoa1997 i am in browser
22:50 Kacey joined #minetest
22:50 Exio get a irc client
22:50 Uberi also, does it have floatcrystals + other new content?
22:50 Exio then :)
22:50 jojoa1997 i am tired and have typed on a tiny keyboard for 3 days
22:50 VanessaE get a real client then :)
22:50 kaeza get a brain
22:51 kaeza whoops
22:51 jojoa1997 hahahaha not with my mom
22:51 kaeza O.o
22:51 VanessaE it wouldn't surprise me if we started banning the webclient here, if LM resurfaces again
22:51 jojoa1997 my mom has bsecure on my computer to watch my minetest activity
22:51 Uberi what's bsecure?
22:51 jojoa1997 nononono
22:51 kaeza VanessaE, 1) Don't say his name, and 2) +100000000
22:51 jojoa1997 a stupid blocking program
22:52 Uberi VanessaE: I think that seems a bit pointless, no?
22:52 Uberi it's not like he can't use a client
22:52 jojoa1997 LandMine should come back muwhahahha
22:52 VanessaE Uberi: overkill, to be sure.  hopefully it won't come to that.
22:52 kaeza inb4 "he who shall not be named" joins
22:52 jojoa1997 LandMine oops i said it again
22:52 VanessaE /kick jojoa1997
22:52 VanessaE ;)
22:52 jojoa1997 no
22:53 Exio /kickban* ftfy
22:53 jojoa1997 dont ban internet clients though that is what my android uses
22:53 Exio get a decent client in your phone
22:53 Uberi jojoa1997: found any workable proxies yet?
22:53 jojoa1997 /kickbanfl Landmine
22:53 Uberi tor usually isn't blocked
22:53 jojoa1997 no it isnt that
22:54 NekoGloop /kickban *@*!*
22:54 jojoa1997 she can see every program i use. the ime how long
22:54 jojoa1997 time
22:54 jojoa1997 stupid f12 i am so not used to my keyboard
22:54 * kaeza was kicked by NekoGloop (kaeza)
22:54 ecube o.o
22:54 thexyz kaeza: nice one
22:54 jojoa1997 but yeah it records everything my computer runs and all the internet
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22:55 jojoa1997 so i use my tablet to download and do minetest stuff
22:55 jojoa1997 hahahaha in your face mom
22:55 kaeza thexyz, which one? :)
22:55 thexyz this one!
22:56 VanessaE guess that means someone's gotta finish porting minetest to android :)
22:56 NekoGloop Someone has to learn how to uninstall.
22:57 jojoa1997 yes
22:57 jojoa1997 me?
22:57 NekoGloop yes
22:57 NekoGloop you
22:58 jojoa1997 uninstall what
22:58 kaeza sudo apt-get autoremove jojoa1997
22:58 jojoa1997 bsecure?
22:58 kaeza :)
22:58 jojoa1997 what is that?
22:58 Uberi bsecure seems to be available for windows only
22:59 jojoa1997 she has it on her computer and can tell when i shut it off
22:59 jojoa1997 uninstall it
22:59 Uberi well all you need to do is run a virtual machine while she's not looking
22:59 thexyz oh, just replace your windows with gentoo
22:59 Uberi install bsecure in there
22:59 thexyz she'll be surprised
23:00 jojoa1997 trust me she is very computer literate if i didnt have my tablet then i wouldnt be able to stay in touch with minetest
23:00 jojoa1997 what is gentoo
23:00 Uberi linux distro
23:00 jojoa1997 and she will know and punish me by taking away my tablet
23:00 thexyz the most powerful one
23:00 Kacey 24 second lag from a 20 second video
23:00 jojoa1997 which has been taken away twice but i brought it to school and she forgot
23:01 Uberi thexyz: pfft, real hackers use Finux
23:01 jojoa1997 2 days till freedom(spring break) and 2 years till this computer is mine
23:02 Kacey just throw *buntu on there and and boom
23:02 jojoa1997 what is a distro
23:02 kaeza or... Puppy :D
23:02 Kacey distrubution
23:02 jojoa1997 kaeza she will know and i will get punished and also i already tried but ubuntu wont lload from dvd
23:02 VanessaE a distro, or distribution, is any collection of software that purports to be "Linux", e.g. Debian, gentoo, Ubuntu, Puppy, etc
23:02 Uberi make sure you go for the ubuntu based puppy if you want all the deb packages
23:02 * jojoa1997 has a puppy
23:03 thexyz PilzAdam: it seems getConnectedPlayerNames is too selfish as it only returns player's name
23:03 jojoa1997 and 80 pound one that is so adorable
23:03 Uberi :O
23:03 jojoa1997 guess what
23:03 thexyz freedom!
23:03 VanessaE that's just a distribution of saliva ;)
23:03 VanessaE wrong kind of Puppy
23:03 Uberi heheheh
23:03 Kacey you have to boot to the disk not just run the disk
23:03 jojoa1997 my dog has his picture in a mod
23:03 Exio NekoGloop: kickban *!*@*
23:03 Exio bad order :3
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23:04 jordach VanessaE check and mate, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77344#p77344
23:04 jojoa1997 mine is the bottom middle one http://i.imgur.com/nPCx9dv.png
23:05 VanessaE jordach: :P
23:05 thexyz jordach: nice start
23:05 jordach jojoa, id esp. read my link
23:05 kaeza jojoa1997, Puppy Linux does not need to be "installed". you can use it off a CD or a USB stick
23:05 jordach thexyz, im actually sticking up for you guys
23:05 thexyz should go get some popcorn but it's 3 am here
23:05 jordach thexyz, 23:07 here
23:05 jojoa1997 i cant put my puppy in my computer silly
23:06 jordach jojoa, there is a more important issue than installing a certain distro
23:06 Uberi jordach: make an alternate game mode! more variety is always better
23:06 VanessaE jojoa1997: sure you can, just open up the side..........
23:06 VanessaE ;)
23:06 jojoa1997 i know
23:06 VanessaE jordach: actually I don't get what you're trying to say with that post, to me anyway
23:06 jojoa1997 lol i have a laptop and the dog is the size of me
23:06 jojoa1997 he did say that non renewable lava lakes could be near the surface and renewables near -30000. This can lead into different styles of gameplay, not to mention it makes it harder to grief the shizzle out of serves, thanks LM.
23:06 jordach uberi, minetest_classic anyone?
23:06 Uberi VanessaE: think he might be referring to the MESE changes
23:07 VanessaE (because as you well know, PilzAdam and I have different ideas of what should or shouldn't go into MT-game)
23:07 jojoa1997 jordach you said his name and we will be haunted forever
23:07 VanessaE Uberi: I thought that might be the case.
23:07 jordach nope.
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23:07 jordach you know what, you two fight like little fucking kids, you know that?
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23:07 VanessaE yup.
23:07 jordach over a few fucking lines of code
23:07 jordach i am fucki ashamed as a fellow programmer
23:07 jordach fucking*
23:08 jojoa1997 what me?
23:08 Uberi that will be experienced by many people as their first introduction to MineTest
23:08 VanessaE it's more than just "a few lines of code".  It's about preserving peoples maps, inventories, and mods' recipes
23:08 Uberi what's wrong with discussion? you don't have to participate in it
23:08 jordach ive been awake for 20 hours now, and ive been on the end if the shit stick, not is your turn
23:08 jordach now*
23:08 Kacey minetest_classic poll going up soon
23:08 Uberi let people talk about what they want to
23:09 VanessaE that's my major argument.
23:09 jojoa1997 yes there should be a minetest classic
23:09 khonkhortisan user@host> make love
23:09 khonkhortisan Not war?
23:09 khonkhortisan user@host>
23:09 Uberi [y/n] >
23:09 jordach im still pissed that pilzadam is rather obtuse
23:09 jojoa1997 we are starting to get out of the begining stages i think and are making more aesthetic changes
23:09 VanessaE Linus Torvalds said it best, "WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE!"
23:09 NekoGloop pilzadam is powerhungry
23:09 jordach oh yes, call it polish if you esnt
23:09 thexyz khonkhortisan: make: *** No rule to make target `love'.  Stop.
23:10 jordach want*
23:10 Uberi jordach: you are still free to fork, if it bothers you enough
23:10 khonkhortisan there was a version of make that said that - don't remember which one
23:10 jordach uberi, not enoughh
23:10 jordach enough
23:10 Uberi well what about m13's MT classic?
23:10 khonkhortisan also, matlab I think says your place or mine
23:10 jojoa1997 jordach 0gb said it right but ended wrong
23:10 jordach there is only one soloution
23:10 Uberi khonkhortisan: wait lemme try that
23:10 Uberi which MATLAB edition?
23:10 NekoGloop pilzadam is still powerhungry
23:10 jojoa1997 mese was a test block now we made it a real block
23:11 jojoa1997 the test part is what 0gb said
23:11 Uberi jordach: yes?
23:11 jojoa1997 potter
23:11 jordach and i can do this
23:11 jojoa1997 that is my dog name
23:11 Kacey poll going up now
23:11 Kacey if internet would load...
23:11 Uberi khonkhortisan: "Undefined function 'make' for input arguments of type 'char'."
23:11 Uberi :(
23:11 khonkhortisan you have to say fuck not make love
23:11 khonkhortisan I don't know if it still works
23:12 jordach THE BIG QUESTION REMAINS, ALL THIS CAN BE SOLVED IS BY A 1v1 Dogfight on Battlefield 3
23:12 Uberi undefined function or variable, khonkhortisan <_<
23:12 * jordach vs. PilzAdam
23:12 khonkhortisan aw
23:12 khonkhortisan I'll have to go find both of those
23:12 Uberi this is the modern equivalent of a duel at sundown
23:12 NekoGloop indeed
23:12 jordach its like Star Wars: VI
23:12 jojoa1997 come to my place the sun is setting
23:12 jordach luke vs. the emperor
23:12 Uberi I'll be the second, jordach
23:13 jojoa1997 has or will i do not know
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23:13 jojoa1997 i personally like the new feature jordach except for no renewable lava
23:13 Uberi jojoa1997: without finite liquids on, you mean
23:13 jojoa1997 lava should be able to be stored in an obsidian tank
23:13 Uberi but yeah I like renewability too
23:13 jordach bleh obisidan which follows the SHITTY MC ROUTE
23:14 NekoGloop why the hell does everything have to be renewable
23:14 jojoa1997 i like finite liquids but they lag too much
23:14 khonkhortisan everything must be like trees
23:14 jordach and?
23:14 NekoGloop resource management is a good skill
23:14 Uberi NekoGloop: well it makes it possible to run the world in survival mode theoretically forever
23:14 jojoa1997 <jojoa1997> lava should be able to be stored in an obsidian tank
23:14 NekoGloop Don't like it? Play creative.
23:14 jojoa1997 STOP POSTIN I CANT HIGHLIGHT THE STUPIC SENTENCE
23:14 khonkhortisan resource management is more difficult with people joining and leaving a server
23:14 jordach i an actually stuck between two things, siding with the devil, or siding with the civilian
23:14 khonkhortisan lol jojoa
23:14 jojoa1997 <jojoa1997> lava should be able to be stored in an obsidian tank
23:15 Uberi where's the stupic sentence?
23:15 jojoa1997 that is a good feature storable liquids
23:15 Kacey http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77351#p77351
23:15 NekoGloop which is the devil and which is the civillian?
23:15 khonkhortisan ^*5
23:15 Uberi jojoa1997: like in pipeworks?
23:15 Uberi good idea Kacey
23:15 jojoa1997 yes
23:15 kaeza jojoa1997, technic has lava can
23:15 VanessaE zzz
23:15 NekoGloop jordach, which is the devil and which is the civilian?
23:16 jojoa1997 but pipeworks cant store liquids yet cough cough vanessae
23:16 Uberi those of us who like the classic will play classic, those who like mt_game will play mt_game
23:16 jojoa1997 yeah but i mean
23:16 Uberi nobody has to be nailed to anything
23:16 VanessaE jojoa1997: use mauvebic's fork then
23:16 VanessaE i don't care anymore
23:16 Uberi wait they can't store liquids yet?
23:16 * kaeza puts a non-renewable lava_source on VanessaE's head
23:16 jojoa1997 have an obsidian tank and place lava in it but opening a gui
23:16 Uberi I could swear I stored some liquids using them last week
23:16 jojoa1997 anfd then you place a bucket in and either empty bucket or fill bucket
23:17 khonkhortisan pipeworks has a tank, but it doesn't stay in the pipe I think
23:17 * jojoa1997 puts renewable finite lava on VanessaE's head
23:17 Uberi hey sokomine, I'll post the we_limited onto the WE forum topic when I'm done, OK?
23:17 kaeza well... I got a question
23:17 khonkhortisan How do I try finite liquids?
23:17 jojoa1997 guys STOP
23:17 Uberi check the mt.example.conf
23:17 kaeza who actually uses plain vanilla game?
23:17 jojoa1997 what is a good spanish server i want to p[ractice spanish
23:18 Uberi it's like finite_liquids or something
23:18 jojoa1997 uh 0gb and i
23:18 khonkhortisan not me, I have enough mods
23:18 NekoGloop renewable finite: paradox detected
23:18 kaeza jojoa1997, tekk.com.ar
23:18 kaeza ask leo_rockway for privs
23:18 jojoa1997 and do i need to ask for intereact
23:18 khonkhortisan renewable finite: it reproduces a small portion of itself at certain sizes
23:19 jordach oh god, im linus torvalds http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77354#p7735
23:19 NekoGloop if it's renewable, it's infinite
23:19 kaeza khonkhortisan, that's my point. even if vanilla has this and that great/stupid feature, no one will use it anyway
23:19 khonkhortisan it's only infinite if you infinitely renew it
23:20 khonkhortisan renewing is a finite operation
23:20 kaeza everyone will just add mods to suit their style
23:20 jojoa1997 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77354#p77354
23:20 jojoa1997 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77354#p77354
23:20 jojoa1997 oops
23:20 jordach and this is why minetest-game should be very empty except basic nodes. mods should add the content
23:20 jojoa1997 kaeza no one is on any others?
23:20 jojoa1997 no
23:21 kaeza so if you add mods to vanilla, why not make that one line change yourself?
23:21 jojoa1997 minetest game is the begining game m,ods adds the random stuff on the side
23:21 khonkhortisan Jordach, I'm using 3) and 2) 6dfacedir is pretty much done
23:21 jordach i will point out this. c55 actually wanted servers to look completely different, except any client can visit without any issues, minetest has left that path
23:21 Uberi jordach: yes, it would be nice, but they don't owe development time to you
23:22 jordach and become a nigh on clone of the game we actually rival
23:22 NekoGloop how so, jordach?
23:22 jojoa1997 c55 was also different then
23:22 Kacey VanessaE, want to sticky my poll so more people can see it?
23:22 jojoa1997 people change over weeks let alone months
23:22 Uberi as in, unless you're hiring them, you are not entitled to demand some particular feature
23:22 VanessaE what poll?
23:22 jojoa1997 Vabnessae do what Kacey said
23:23 khonkhortisan again, what poll?
23:23 Kacey http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5194
23:24 Uberi jordach: "Optimise this fucking game will you? It is slow enough for some people, oh and while we are here, ADD LuaJIT." <= why don't YOU do it, rather than yelling at other people to?
23:24 jordach because spaghetti code
23:24 VanessaE stickied.
23:24 Uberi well then fix the spaghetti code
23:24 jordach i got stickied!
23:24 Uberi or make your own game
23:24 * VanessaE throws some mesecons glue at jordach
23:24 Uberi you don't own MineTest and the developers are not slaves
23:24 khonkhortisan You can compile it, but to get it into the build path is a little harder
23:24 jordach uberi, no, c is out of my league
23:24 Uberi then learn C++?
23:24 Kacey jordach, i got stickied
23:25 jin_xi ^ i dont understand this. just go ahead and make all the game modes you want. why make angry posts about fears and stupid polls. its always easy to bitch, as it is unpleasant to have to listen to it. and never go full retard...
23:25 Kacey 5 vote all on yes
23:25 kaeza Kacey, I will not vote on that, as I use my own custom version of mt_game, so the poll is like 'meh' to me
23:25 jordach uberi, these bunch of lazy sobs need a good asskicking on what e community wants, and not the solo dev
23:25 * khonkhortisan peels some glue off a piston - "I wonder where I get this from?"
23:25 Uberi jordach: no, they are free to do what they want to
23:26 Uberi if you don't like it, you are also free to deal with it
23:26 jordach uberi, pilzadam can push what he wants and can get away with it
23:26 jojoa1997 khnonkhortisan you got it from jordach's head
23:26 khonkhortisan heh
23:26 Uberi jordach: well, what's wrong with that? he develops the game, you know
23:26 jordach ive had enough of sitting on my fat ass now, its time to mutiny pilzadam from his high horse
23:26 Uberi if you don't like it, make your own game and stop complaining
23:26 jojoa1997 jordach i am trying hard to make minetest game better. i cant code c so i do what i can
23:26 jordach uberi, that was the plan
23:26 jojoa1997 so maybe you can contribute too
23:27 Uberi well, tell me how it goes, I;d love to see more options
23:27 jordach anywaysm im going to fuck off to bed now.
23:27 jordach left #minetest
23:27 NekoGloop Uberi / VanessaE: Mesecons, should they be attached?
23:27 Uberi attached to what?
23:27 khonkhortisan no, I like my wires through the air
23:27 VanessaE no.
23:27 VanessaE definitely not.
23:27 VanessaE that would break way too many things.
23:28 Uberi oh attached_nodes
23:28 khonkhortisan should I build a 3d computer in liquid glass?
23:28 jojoa1997 i like attacxhed nodes
23:28 Uberi no, we discussed this previously, it would break 3D wiring
23:28 kaeza ^
23:28 khonkhortisan connect-four would fall to pieces
23:28 jojoa1997 cause i keep on placing 2 on top of eachother but
23:28 Uberi but I usually put it in glass for aesthetic purposes
23:28 jojoa1997 that is onbe downfall of redstone the wires not flaoting
23:28 Uberi plus in case mobs get added in the future, I don't want them spawning inside my dark circuit buildings
23:29 NekoGloop Then goddammit make it look like they can float.
23:29 khonkhortisan what would that look like?
23:29 Uberi they do look like they can float?
23:29 Uberi I'm not adding wings, if that's what you mean
23:29 khonkhortisan put little spinny fan hats on the top of each one
23:29 NekoGloop They should be in the middle of the node ala technic wires
23:29 kaeza jojoa1997, the point of jordach was not to make mt minecraftish
23:29 Uberi :O
23:29 jojoa1997 yes
23:29 khonkhortisan I like how the style is different between the mesecon and technic wires
23:29 kaeza NekoGloop, +1
23:29 jojoa1997 so dont make mesecons attach
23:29 NekoGloop Instead of looking like they should be on the floor.
23:30 Uberi if someone owns a museum, and allows people to view the items inside freely and take pictures, you don't scream at them because the museum has washrooms that are too far away
23:30 jojoa1997 it makes circuits alot more complicated
23:30 Uberi they're doing you a favor by letting you in the museum in the first place
23:30 NekoGloop khonkhortisan, the wires could be made a shitton thinner, after all these aren't electrical.
23:30 Uberi and even though they won't kick you out, it doesn't give you the right to act like you're entitled to more items
23:30 jojoa1997 and anyways wires do sta stff and dont fall apart when not touching something
23:30 Kacey VanessaE, why is moreblocks not supported by hdx?
23:30 khonkhortisan it would only be a nodebox change to put them in the middle, right?
23:30 VanessaE Kacey: it is.
23:31 NekoGloop khonkhortisan, for the most part
23:31 VanessaE your copy of moreblocks is probably out of date.
23:31 Uberi NekoGloop: that would break placing them on the ground
23:31 NekoGloop Then detect the ground...
23:31 Uberi that is inconsistent in appearance
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23:31 Uberi why should they be in the middle of the block? I would like to know
23:31 Kacey Menche's copy is old then
23:32 khonkhortisan Someone who always builds mesecons in 2d on flatland might not agree
23:32 NekoGloop Because it looks like shit in the air...
23:32 Uberi NekoGloop: subjective, can you elaborate?
23:32 jojoa1997 and the war has begun :-) http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77359#p77359
23:32 khonkhortisan if it's in the air, you can't tell the difference
23:32 Uberi exactly
23:32 khonkhortisan if it's on the ground, it'll look silly in the air
23:33 NekoGloop Anyone else makes a suggestion they are somewhat considered... but me? no... not at all...
23:33 jojoa1997 guys
23:33 khonkhortisan it really depends on what the seggestion is
23:33 jojoa1997 mind if you help me test a servers capabilities
23:33 khonkhortisan I'll test something
23:33 NekoGloop Uberi, perhaps make them look a bit fatter, vertically?
23:33 NekoGloop should look at least a little better...
23:33 jojoa1997 go on 0gb.us there are 20 people on but i want to test his server limit
23:34 Uberi NekoGloop: we are considering your suggestion right now, in fact discussing it too
23:34 thexyz where's jordach?
23:34 Uberi NekoGloop: well yeah vertically fatter could work
23:34 Uberi would be easier to select + build on too
23:34 thexyz > 4) At this rate I might as well take control of quality control. Fyi, at this rate I am turning into Linus Torvalds
23:34 Uberi what do you think khonkhortisan + VanessaE?
23:34 jojoa1997 ofwhat
23:35 NekoGloop make it be square on the end of it, i think should look good
23:35 thexyz FYI Linus doesn't only whine
23:35 Uberi thexyz: what does he plan to do, break into GitHub and give himself push permissions?
23:35 NekoGloop Make the wire as tall as it is fat.
23:35 thexyz Uberi: whine?
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23:35 khonkhortisan square is fine with me, being a single (possibly insulated) wire, instead of two covered
23:35 jin_xi ask linus for the secret git master password
23:35 Uberi well I said plan to do, not already did
23:35 thexyz well, he may plan to whine more
23:35 Uberi sounds like a plan to me
23:35 thexyz seriously, instead of doing something those people are just doing nothing
23:35 VanessaE Uberi: I'd prefer that mesecons wire thickness remain the way it is now, but the selection boxes could use some work
23:36 ShadowNinja Uberi: ServerError: LuaError: error running function 'on_step': ...rver/bin/../mods/minetest/mesecons/mesecons/util.lua:19: attempt to index local 'r' (a nil value)
23:36 Uberi VanessaE: any reason in particular? and I agree about the selection boxes
23:36 NekoGloop This is the problem with the people in charge of FOSS projects... they have superiority complexes.
23:36 PilzAdam thexyz, do you support my development of minetest_game?
23:36 NekoGloop PilzAdam, no go die in a hole
23:36 thexyz uh duh
23:36 * thexyz uses realtest
23:36 Uberi ShadowNinja: minetest.after issue, fixed yesterday in trunk
23:37 Uberi (i.e., go download PilzAdam's latest build)
23:37 VanessaE Uberi: because they're supposed to represent low-signal-strength wires e.g. TTL or similar.  To make them thicker would imply current-carrying capabilities that they aren't meant to have.  To make them thinner would make them harder to see from some angles.
23:37 Uberi that's true
23:37 VanessaE and in either case textures would have to be redesigned.
23:37 thexyz PilzAdam: well, I don't see any problem with it
23:37 thexyz therefore I think it's going nice
23:37 PilzAdam some people do
23:37 thexyz just ignore them
23:37 Exio PilzAdam: i support it, in someway the mods are very easy to install and you will not use a default game "by default", just for looking around and so
23:37 NekoGloop Of course, because you're not adding anything original.
23:37 Uberi PilzAdam: well don't change it, whatever you're doing, if they really cared they will fork
23:38 ShadowNinja Uberi: you think I would use windows?
23:38 VanessaE PilzAdam: in general I support it, save for the issues we've argued about.
23:38 khonkhortisan I treat minetest_game as "default" and then add stuff on top
23:38 Uberi ShadowNinja: well statistically speaking, a given user is likely to be using windows :)
23:38 mauvebic minetest_game is like a starter game anyhow
23:38 Exio minetest_game should have a basic (and decent) survival gameplay by default
23:39 kaeza PilzAdam, IMHO you should focus more on fixing/tweaking other mods already written instead of writing them from scratch
23:39 Kacey only 2 for no so far
23:39 jojoa1997 yes
23:39 PilzAdam its nice to hear that at least some people support me :-)
23:39 NekoGloop tyrant
23:39 kaeza Simple Mobs would be a nice addition to mt_game by default
23:39 jojoa1997 Uh i wrote the obsidian
23:39 Uberi NekoGloop: help out on the minetest_classic fork then!
23:39 NekoGloop I will
23:39 PilzAdam jojoa1997, and I tweaked it
23:39 NekoGloop Hell I might make my own gamemode
23:39 khonkhortisan um, I can't bucket ocean water?
23:40 thexyz *might*
23:40 mauvebic seriously cant people just make a game and call it 0.3 (like the old version)
23:40 jojoa1997 yes so pilzadam didnt write it from scratch
23:40 Uberi NekoGloop: I think that's a bad idea, you'll get more done if you work with other people who want the same thing
23:40 Uberi khonkhortisan: is finite enabled?
23:40 PilzAdam kaeza, integrating whole mods is rather complex and should be done carefully
23:40 NekoGloop Of course it's a bad idea.
23:40 jojoa1997 PilzAdam what do you think of an obsidian tank that can hold liquids
23:40 khonkhortisan odd, I think that was just lag or something. Yes finite is on
23:40 PilzAdam adding some parts of the is good, though
23:40 NekoGloop Everything is a bad idea, if it's my idea.
23:40 kaeza PilzAdam, that's what I am saying
23:41 jin_xi i think there should be more game modes and less arguing about what the default is. as long as components are somewhat modular it should be easily possible to make the game you want.
23:41 khonkhortisan Do I need a new world to test finite?
23:41 thexyz NekoGloop: yes
23:41 Uberi nah just turn on the config option khonkhortisan
23:41 jojoa1997 i say four
23:41 mauvebic <jin_xi> +1
23:41 jojoa1997 gamemodes
23:41 Uberi but be careful if you've built a lot of water based structures khonkhortisan
23:41 NekoGloop Same goes for pilz and c55
23:41 khonkhortisan I don't know what to look for, it still looks like source and flowing
23:41 Uberi khonkhortisan: try placing a new source or causing a liquid update
23:41 thexyz wait, why is topic named "[poll] mintest_classic game mode" stickied?
23:41 PilzAdam NekoGloop, *Adam
23:42 NekoGloop I figured you didn't have me ignored.
23:42 mauvebic problem is lotsa ppl want their mods in default, so create a couple of diff game mods
23:42 jojoa1997 1)creative 2)survival 3)mega survival super hard 4)map mode for map mkers setting rules life level damage
23:42 jojoa1997 of course 4 will be a long time from now
23:42 khonkhortisan I can't place through water
23:42 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: looks like I forgot to add some changes before commit amending and pushing, nothing critical but a little cleaner
23:42 khonkhortisan oh. *I can't see the selection box through water
23:43 Uberi khonkhortisan: is it finite now?
23:43 khonkhortisan dunno
23:43 khonkhortisan I got two sources to turn into four
23:43 Uberi :O
23:43 Uberi were they those special infinite finite sources?
23:43 NekoGloop That's because renewable finite!!!
23:44 khonkhortisan they were ocean water created before finite liquid
23:44 Uberi oh that might be it
23:44 khonkhortisan I'll try a new world
23:44 Uberi yeah always a good idea when testing something
23:47 khonkhortisan When I place the water in a hole, should it get smaller as it flows away?
23:48 Uberi yep
23:48 ShadowNinja Uberi: can you add table.insert, table.remove, and math.* to the luacontrollers?
23:48 Uberi ShadowNinja: one moment
23:48 khonkhortisan oh. Have to have minetest closed when I change the conf :)
23:49 Uberi ShadowNinja: I'll ask Jeija about math, but you can already access table.*
23:49 Uberi watch this:
23:50 Uberi v={};insert=v.insert;remove=v.remove
23:50 Uberi all tables inherit the prototype, table
23:50 leo_rockway kaeza: tekk.com.ar -> minetest.com.ar ;-)
23:51 Uberi or just directly use sometableishere:insert(...)
23:51 leo_rockway but my server won't be good to practice Spanish, since it's always empty.
23:51 NekoGloop So, what's different in the minetest-0.4.5-1f1ad9f-lighting-win32 build...?
23:51 kaeza leo_rockway, I need that URL updated ;)
23:51 kaeza also, sorry for the ping :)
23:51 leo_rockway it's okay
23:51 leo_rockway I don't mind getting pinged.
23:51 Uberi NekoGloop: order of magnitude faster lighting
23:52 * Exio pings leo_rockway :D
23:52 Exio err, hi :P
23:52 khonkhortisan creating and deleting worlds resets the menu clouds
23:52 Uberi I think it was what, 20x faster?
23:52 Uberi in any case mapgen is super speedy now
23:52 leo_rockway Exio: hola
23:53 PilzAdam Uberi, lighting was speed up by a factor of 21, wich makes mapgen 10 times faster (in average)
23:53 Uberi impressive
23:53 Uberi I was flying with fast_move on the other day and the mapgen kept up beautifully
23:54 khonkhortisan I tried that too
23:54 PilzAdam with num_emerge_threads = 1 ?
23:54 khonkhortisan but luajit + lighting = even faster
23:54 Uberi I think so, PilzAdam
23:54 PilzAdam you can set this to #cores-2
23:55 PilzAdam (1 is default because it might cause bugs)
23:55 Uberi so I set it to 0? :P
23:55 Uberi no emerge threads means no emergethread bugs!
23:55 kaeza what was the num_emerge_threads default again? max(1, num_cores-1) ?
23:56 PilzAdam num_cores-2
23:56 kaeza ah
23:56 khonkhortisan I just had it say fast_move enabled (no fast privilage) when it actually worked
23:56 PilzAdam can you reproduce it?
23:58 Kacey http://ifunny.mobi/#GCetwjhf haha
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23:59 khonkhortisan can't reproduce :(
23:59 Exio kaeza: 1 is the default
23:59 Exio if you disable "the default" and make it autodetect the number, i will be numberofcores-1

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