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00:48 paramat how i feel (SFW) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals​/93/3c/aa/933caa58b91eee0c7f33bd91a9cb6e40.png
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02:18 benrob0329 kaeza: do you use Gentoo?
02:19 kaeza no, I use MSDOS 6.22
02:20 benrob0329 Kek
02:20 kaeza also LUbuntu 16.04
02:21 benrob0329 ehh..id rather not use a *buntu
02:21 kaeza why not?
02:21 kaeza It Just Works™
02:21 benrob0329 I mean they work, but its just not my taste with the way things are set up
02:22 benrob0329 Some software is years out of date, for example
02:22 kaeza that much is true
02:23 kaeza you can get a more recent version in some PPA somewhere, though
02:23 benrob0329 Gentoo is like, the one distro I haven't at least tried to install
02:23 kaeza most of the time
02:23 benrob0329 Yes, but they aren't always guaranteed to work
02:23 benrob0329 And can infect your whole system
02:24 benrob0329 /break other ppas
03:20 benrob0329 ok, i was just convinced to use slackware
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07:39 tenplus1 hi folks
07:47 shivajiva morning tenplus1, hello everyone o/
07:47 tenplus1 hi shiva :P
07:48 shivajiva read -dev logs yet?
07:48 tenplus1 no, what happened ?
07:49 tenplus1 I did read git and know that ppl have flipped and are now gonna enable TNT by default in singleplayer and networking, fire spread also...
07:51 tenplus1 ooh, collisionbox changes not being reverted ??
07:53 shivajiva not sure really but paramat was berated whilst not present, it wasn't pretty, starting to wonder about this place
07:54 tenplus1 thats why I talk in here... -dev doesnt have the same vibe about it
07:54 tenplus1 havent got to the berating bit yet...  am at 15:26
07:57 tenplus1 which day did it appear on ? am searching for your name and not finding it
07:57 shivajiva reminded me of the school yard, not so much a discussion as a flex
07:58 shivajiva oh my name isn't in the discussion
07:58 shivajiva look for killbith
07:58 tenplus1 woah, I just read something am kinda shocked at...    "this fuzz about paramat"
07:58 tenplus1 and the following lines ?!?!?!
07:59 shivajiva ah you found it
07:59 tenplus1 why is that in channel ?
08:00 shivajiva I have no idea why
08:00 tenplus1 o.O
08:01 shivajiva not much respect round here unless your a coding god
08:01 tenplus1 everyone has a part to play in Minetest's development, not just programmers
08:02 tenplus1 mod makers and players themselves spot many things that are either buggy or could be better improved
08:02 tenplus1 it's a community dammit!!  why does anyone feel superior to anyone else here
08:02 tenplus1 this is the one thing we use to excel over minecraft was the fact we were a great community
08:04 shivajiva seems we have some structure missing and consensus
08:07 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1693 has so many FOR than AGAINST, why is it not being pushed through as a wanted/needed option
08:08 Calinou hi
08:08 tenplus1 hi Cal
08:08 shivajiva hi Cal :)
08:09 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1694
08:12 shivajiva afaik sofar is vehemently against it as he pushed the tnt change due to this pr
08:12 tenplus1 I'm all for protecting noob servers by default and having them change a setting to enable tnt and fire spreading IF REQUIRED
08:14 shivajiva but kids might not be able to enable it apparently
08:15 tenplus1 the settings button is there, the search file will let them type "tnt" or "fire" to simply double click and enable if wanted
08:15 shivajiva they are expected to be able to disable it if required though
08:16 shivajiva 2 sides of the same blade but lets present the sharp edge
08:16 tenplus1 it's a lot easier to enable 2 settings than it is to replace buildings blown up by griefers and replace a forest due to wildfire
08:17 shivajiva doesn't take a genius to figure that one out but here we are...
08:18 tenplus1 it's not that these server owners are being lazy, it's just better to protect it from the get go, and we know they wont read guides or wiki's by default unless there's an issue
08:21 shivajiva agreed for some people it's their first server and they are on the steep part of the curve trying to take it all in and manage, fire grief is just an added bonus layered on top for them
08:22 tenplus1 and more knowledged owners can easily turn these things on if wanted within seconds...
08:22 shivajiva the action of enabling it means consequences
08:23 shivajiva so there is a thought process
08:23 shivajiva unlike the current setup
08:23 tenplus1 yup yup +100 agree
08:24 shivajiva that logic seems to have escaped common sense
08:25 tenplus1 also I like the new setting to disable lava cooling :)))
08:26 shivajiva yes :)
08:26 Shara I really liked Calinou suggestion for the fire PR, but apparently MTG devs aren't even going to reply about it.
08:26 tenplus1 hi Shara :P
08:27 Shara sofar seemed to think the PR is not worth talking about more because they'll split MTG and maybe not work on MTG anymore after next version anyway.
08:27 Shara Hi all :P
08:28 tenplus1 if it helps in the here and now ready for 0.4.15 then add it, give players the features they want/need
08:28 tenplus1 and THEN work on a better implementation for the next big release
08:28 shivajiva ^
08:29 Shara I actually regret opening it, since it might mean TNT changes too, and that would be bad
08:29 Shara Server owners who don't follow everything like we do will update and suddenly their players have tnt
08:30 shivajiva don't regret it Shara it's exposed a flaw in the process for us to scrutinise
08:31 shivajiva not that we have any right to scrutinise as lowly server owners and modders
08:31 tenplus1 lol
08:33 shivajiva what can I say, that's how it feels sometimes
08:34 tenplus1 we're all in this together, and like I said earlier... no-one is better than anyone else
08:34 tenplus1 and shouldnt be made to feel that way
08:34 Shara edited my comment there just now with more thoughts.
08:34 tenplus1 the fire pull ?
08:34 celeron55 i don't think any of this is as bad as some think, on neither side
08:35 shivajiva Hi c55, was hoping you'd chip in
08:35 tenplus1 hi celeron
08:36 celeron55 hi 8)
08:38 shivajiva what's your take on the events c55, I'd like to hear your perspective
08:38 tenplus1 better description shara
08:38 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1693
08:44 tenplus1 I wouldnt add a new setting at all andif possible remove the old 'disable_fire' setting completely and keep the current 'enable_fire' one
08:44 tenplus1 if #1693 is added then this would be a lot easier to handle for all involved and would save a lot of grief and hassle
08:45 Calinou btw, about player damage flash, https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/issues/5739#issuecomment-300416455
08:45 Calinou it's a bit wonky but there's no bugs
08:46 tenplus1 I've seen this bug on Xanadu... players hit many times turn white and it doesnt go away unless they sign out and back in again
08:47 tenplus1 I removed the hit flash in mobs because it was annoying and would rather have knockback show physical hits instead of a flash
08:49 Shara Got to go anyway. If anyone has thoughts, will check tonight
08:49 tenplus1 laters
08:55 celeron55 shivajiva: some people having a bad day, programmers being pedantic, mtg not knowing where it wants to go... it's all there
08:56 CWz what control the distance that entities can be seen
08:56 tenplus1 how easy would it be to allow players to disable mods inside a mt[game]... that way you could include a full game with minetest and let server owners disable what they dont need to a minimal base
08:56 CWz which setting that is
08:57 tenplus1 hi CWz
08:58 tenplus1 active_block_range = 2
08:58 tenplus1 active_object_send_range_blocks = 2
08:58 celeron55 can subgame mods be disabled currently by enabling an empty mod of the same name?
08:59 tenplus1 yes
08:59 tenplus1 that's how I override default mods in Xanadu
08:59 tenplus1 but having an option to disable builtin mods to leave a base game would save including a minimal version... and be a lot handier for server owners
08:59 Zeno` tenplus1, just out of curiosity... do you use world/worldmods/
09:00 Zeno` or do you have mods in some other location and enable them using world.mt?
09:00 tenplus1 no, I use mods folder
09:00 Zeno` k
09:00 celeron55 in any case of course an option to disable mods would be possible; of course depends on whether it's thought to be worth the complexity
09:00 Zeno` that's fine... I was just wondering (personal survey hehehe)
09:00 tenplus1 I have an empty folder for xpanes that stops default loading...
09:01 tenplus1 needs an empty init.lua as well me thinks
09:01 celeron55 (if there's no UI and nothing fancy, might be just tens of lines of code)
09:03 shivajiva without the empty init.lua it won't load I suspect
09:03 tenplus1 yeh, needs something to override with
09:04 celeron55 that could be implemented on the game's side of course, like checking in every mod whether a setting like "minimal_base_game" is set and skipping the content if so
09:04 celeron55 (every non-base mod)
09:04 shivajiva Zeno: I use world/worldmods on remote and mods folder for local
09:40 tenplus1 Question: Does having functions inside an entity make then run faster than external local functions ???
09:43 kaeza no
09:43 tenplus1 thanks, and hi :)
09:44 kaeza greetings, tenplus1
09:44 kaeza local functions are as fast as you get
09:44 tenplus1 I take it when registering an entity any local functions it uses are copied inside the entity for use anyhoo?
09:45 kaeza eh, what is "inside the entity" in this context?
09:45 tenplus1 e.g.   if I make a mob with it's on_punch pointing to a local function, it copies that function inside the entity to run... or does it call it locally every time ?
09:54 tenplus1 lol, no worries... am just wondering if it uses more memory per entity if I include a function or use a local
10:32 kaeza the memory use should be negligible
10:32 tenplus1 :)
10:33 kaeza and there's no difference in performance in your case
10:33 tenplus1 thanks dude :P
10:33 kaeza so just use whatever's more readable
10:34 tenplus1 am always trying to find ways to increase performance vs memory usage
10:34 kaeza start by not doing everything every damn step :P
10:34 tenplus1 thankfully I have timers in there just for that :))))
10:35 kaeza you already do that, don't you?
10:35 kaeza ah
10:35 tenplus1 builtin_item has timers now which work really well :D
10:47 tenplus1 github.com/tenplus1/builtin_item
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10:49 tenplus1 hi fixer
10:53 Fixer hi
10:54 tenplus1 o.O am watching a youtube vid about ppl who still believe in a flat earth ?!?!?!?! seriously
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11:01 tenplus1 h Jordach
11:01 tenplus1 *hi
11:01 Jordach meow
11:07 shivajiva seems it's a popular belief where people mistrust the state to tell them the truth
11:08 tenplus1 its as if they simply throw science out of the window though...
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11:09 tenplus1 hi Darcidride_
11:11 kaeza I believe in turtles
11:11 kaeza and ponies
11:12 shivajiva not spaghetti monsters?
11:12 kaeza that too
11:12 tenplus1 ehehe
11:12 shivajiva =)
11:16 Jordach lmfao
11:16 Jordach so the Saints Row devs got bored and made another Saints Row game
11:16 tenplus1 really ?
11:16 Jordach that isn't part of the Saints Row line
11:16 Jordach http://store.steampowered.com​/app/304530/Agents_of_Mayhem/
11:16 tenplus1 gawd
11:17 Jordach they really can't keep their fingers out of that jar
11:18 tenplus1 back laters :)
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11:45 Darcidride_ Hi tenplus1 and everybody
11:47 shivajiva o/
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12:18 shivajiva knockback is running on skyblocks using tenplus1's code, if anyone wants to check it out feel free to ask for a kb stick, it's currently pushing you back ~7 nodes so it needs adjusting slightly
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12:18 tenplus1 hi folks
12:18 red-001 hi
12:19 shivajiva o/
12:19 tenplus1 hi red :) shiva
12:22 shivajiva I tried damage *3 on the velocity and got 7 nodes tenplus1
12:23 shivajiva just a little bit to much
12:23 tenplus1 lol... I left it at x2... seems to work in playerplus with single.network changes
12:24 shivajiva yea it's getting changed back to 2
12:24 tenplus1 latest version of flash plugin doesnt seem to work properly with FF...
12:25 shivajiva FF is going downhill especially the windows version imo
12:26 tenplus1 only reason I kept it was for gflash... if that dont work am moving to chromium
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12:32 tenplus1 got it working... have a pappi->napi converter to run pepperflash in ff
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12:42 tenplus1 hi nathan
12:43 NathanS21 hi tenplus1
12:44 tenplus1 shivajiva: strangely pappi flash runs a lot smoother than napi flash ??!?!
12:49 Calinou rip in pepperapi
12:49 tenplus1 ehehe
12:49 Calinou :D
12:49 tenplus1 flash is losing ground to html5
12:53 Calinou yeah
12:53 Calinou 29% of people don't have Flash right now, and it is growing
12:53 Calinou (on desktop, I think)
12:53 Calinou often, Windows does not come with it anymore
12:53 Calinou (that is, OEM installs)
12:54 tenplus1 I mostly use it for games...  any video formats quickly moved to vpn or html5 codecs
12:55 tenplus1 http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/465949 <-- one of my favs
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12:59 tenplus1 hi sniper
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13:13 tenplus1 wb rubenwardy
13:13 CWz rip flash
13:13 tenplus1 lol, hi CWz
13:17 tenplus1 we need 'dis: https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1693
13:18 rubenwardy hi rubenwardy
13:18 tenplus1 lol, didnt you see my wb rubenwardy :PPP
13:18 rubenwardy oops
13:18 tenplus1 ehehehehehe
13:18 rubenwardy brain fart
13:18 rubenwardy * hi tenplus1
13:18 tenplus1 das ok, is one of those wednesdays
13:19 rubenwardy I was going to type that, but I saw "rubenwardy" whilst typing
13:19 tenplus1 can we add #1693 , #1731 and #1732 already
13:20 tenplus1 :)
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13:23 tenplus1 hi octacian
13:24 octacian hey tenplus1
13:25 tenplus1 http://i.imgur.com/C1HaL9W.mp4
14:07 benrob0329 Hello all
14:07 tenplus1 hi benrob
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14:09 benrob0329 tenplus1: that is what it feels like, isn't it?
14:09 tenplus1 hi robbie
14:09 benrob0329 Hi RobbieF
14:09 tenplus1 ben ?
14:09 RobbieF Hi benrob0329 and tenplus1!
14:09 benrob0329 tenplus1: the gif you posted
14:10 benrob0329 RobbieF: what's up?
14:10 tenplus1 oh themovie... ehehe, that was 40 mins ago... eheheh
14:10 RobbieF mmm, not much. just working. Nothing overly exciting today.
14:10 RobbieF you?
14:11 benrob0329 Given up on FreeBSS
14:11 benrob0329 *D
14:11 tenplus1 aw, what happened ?
14:11 benrob0329 Just...hmm...
14:11 benrob0329 Many things
14:11 benrob0329 Like, the nvidia driver wont let me switch ttys
14:12 tenplus1 ouch, that one sucks
14:12 tenplus1 dunno how many times I've used that
14:12 benrob0329 If I do, it freaks out and shuts off the screen
14:12 tenplus1 buuuuuUUUUUUu
14:12 tenplus1 *shakes fist at FreeBSD*
14:13 benrob0329 but its not even there fault
14:13 benrob0329 The nvidia driver is proprietary
14:13 tenplus1 did noveau work ?
14:13 benrob0329 not ported :-(
14:14 benrob0329 Only nv
14:14 tenplus1 and nv is only 2d... damn!
14:14 Calinou I think benrob0329 meant Nouveau
14:14 Calinou or NVIDIA driver
14:14 Calinou "nv" refers to an old, official and open source NVIDIA driver, but it did only 2D
14:14 Calinou they deprecated it around 2012 officially, but it was unmaintained way before
14:14 benrob0329 That is exactly what I mean Calinou
14:14 benrob0329 nv
14:15 tenplus1 driver support isnt that great for gfx in bsd...
14:15 Calinou it's terrible
14:15 Calinou only NVIDIA releases a driver
14:15 Calinou the open source drivers are backported every 2 years or so
14:15 Calinou then nobody cares about them
14:15 benrob0329 but...official nvidia support
14:16 benrob0329 And it still didn't work right
14:16 benrob0329 Ttys at least
14:16 tenplus1 I really wish that nvidia/ati would work on the hardware and have open-0source drivers for linux
14:16 Calinou AMD has official-ish open source drivers now
14:16 Calinou but NVIDIA will never do that
14:16 benrob0329 I get 60 fps in mt though
14:16 benrob0329 AMD had stuff merged into mesa
14:17 benrob0329 So yeah...amd is trying to save the company I feel
14:17 tenplus1 the open-source radeon/ati driver is a lot better than nvidia's own os one
14:17 benrob0329 Anyways
14:18 Calinou AMD's hardware is technically worse, so they have to find other things
14:18 Calinou (it's been proven many times)
14:18 Calinou (even back in the Kepler era, this was true)
14:18 benrob0329 Someone told me that Slackware was good, and the most Unix like out of any distro
14:18 Calinou tenplus1: NVIDIA has no official open source driver, Nouveau is entirely unofficial
14:18 Calinou the only patches/documentation NVIDIA did or provided were for ARM devboards
14:18 Calinou never for consumer GPUs
14:18 tenplus1 yeah, it works but a little glitchy
14:18 Calinou they also don't release the firmware of latest GPUs, so there's no 3D acceleration on them, or no reclocking
14:19 Calinou (probably intentionally)
14:19 Calinou (you need signed firmware as of Maxwell 2°
14:19 tenplus1 noveau has 3d accel and clock settings
14:19 Calinou you can't reclock all GPUs yet
14:20 benrob0329 Funnily enough, Blender Cycles via AMD OpenCL was running faster than Nvidia in dev I heard
14:20 tenplus1 ehehe nice
14:20 Calinou there's no GPU where reclocking is enabled and automatic out of the box right now, IIRC
14:20 Calinou Pascal has no reclocking at all whatosever, even on a Git kernel
14:20 Calinou benrob0329: NVIDIA cripples OpenCL speed, not sure if it's done in software or hardware
14:20 Calinou so that CUDA is always faster, it'll be faster than AMD OpenCL in most cases
14:21 benrob0329 no like, amd opencl got a huge boost
14:21 benrob0329 In cycles
14:21 benrob0329 But yeah, that's just sad
14:23 benrob0329 I think I agree with Linus Torvalds when it comes to nvidia
14:23 tenplus1 make it open source ?
14:23 tenplus1 or his famous "F*** Nvidia" quote ?
14:23 benrob0329 "Nvidia, f$*@ you."
14:27 Calinou hmm, DuckDuckGo is fooling with me
14:27 Calinou had to disable safe search to get images
14:27 Calinou http://osworld.pl/wp-content/uploads​/Linus-Torvalds-nvidia-fuck-you.jpg
14:27 benrob0329 Omw I just got the best quote of the week
14:28 benrob0329 "f**k, accidently put startx in my .xinitrc"
14:28 benrob0329 Censoring by me, to.make it sfw
14:29 Calinou swearing is not necessarily not safe for work :P
14:31 benrob0329 true
14:47 Calinou <Calinou> Use the Best: Linux for Servers, Mac for Graphics, Windows for Solitaire
14:47 Calinou :D
14:47 tenplus1 ahahhaaha
14:49 RobbieF NEMS 1.2 is now available via bittorrent, if anyone would like to seed to support the project - http://baldnerd.com/nems/#download
14:49 Calinou hi RobbieF
14:50 RobbieF Hey Calinou! How you been?
14:50 Calinou not sure if I can seed stuff off my VPS, last time I did it, I got my VPS suspended after ~5 weeks because of high load average
14:50 Calinou (but I got it unsuspended without fee)
14:50 Calinou my VPS could seed at 5 MB/s or so 24/7 though
14:50 RobbieF load average was high from a torrent?!
14:50 Calinou having many torrents active causes tons of IO
14:51 Calinou at least when I used rtorrent + ruTorrent
14:51 RobbieF ouch
14:51 RobbieF :p
14:51 tenplus1 unless you use Qbittorrent... has a memory cache for download.seeding :DDD
14:51 Calinou if it's just a few it might be ok
14:51 Calinou tenplus1: this is a server, so no qBittorrent
14:51 Calinou I'm aware it has a CLI mode and web interface, but it's meh
14:51 tenplus1 buuuuuuuuuu
14:51 Calinou ruTorrent is far better
14:51 RobbieF well, this torrent should be pretty lightweight if you'd like to try. Feel free to throttle it. It's really just to have some redundancy out there in case my seed goes down for some reason
14:51 RobbieF I'm seeding via Transmission-CLI
14:51 Calinou https://github.com/Novik/ruTorrent
14:51 RobbieF :D
14:52 benrob0329 RobbieF: what is nems?
14:52 Calinou Japanese food? :P
14:52 RobbieF Nagios for Raspberry Pi
14:52 RobbieF drop in, ready to run out of the box
14:52 RobbieF ^^ benrob0329
14:52 tenplus1 isnt rutorrent a pain to setup tho, and no blocklist
14:52 benrob0329 Ah...I have no idea what that it :P
14:53 benrob0329 *is
14:53 RobbieF A system that monitors all your network assets. For example, if a hard drive is failing in one of your computers, or there's high CPU load on another, it'll warn you.
14:53 tenplus1 good for when you arent around :PP
14:53 RobbieF commonly used in enterprise networks, but a beast to set up. So I did all the work and released it as a ready-to-use appliance for free.
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14:54 tenplus1 wb fixer
14:54 Fixer ty
14:54 benrob0329 RobbieF: ah, that's pretty neat
14:55 benrob0329 Hi Fixer
14:56 Fixer hi
15:01 RobbieF thanks benrob0329
15:01 RobbieF It really is an awesome project. I'm glad to be doing it and offering something so needed to the community.
15:08 Fixer finally
15:08 tenplus1 ?
15:09 Fixer MC modded start up time is abysmal
15:09 tenplus1 how long ?
15:09 Fixer FTB beyond + optifine
15:09 Fixer like 3-5 minutes... or so
15:09 Fixer mem usage: 5 gb
15:09 tenplus1 erk, that's bad for a full payable game
15:09 * tenplus1 will stick with Minetest
15:09 Fixer 5.5gb*
15:10 Fixer 4gb is minimum recommended just for game
15:11 tenplus1 no wonder my net-top almost died when I ran the demo
15:11 Fixer ftb beyond runs much better than foolcraft on my pc
15:42 garywhite net-top?
15:42 tenplus1 hi gary
15:42 garywhite hi
15:43 tenplus1 http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2​010/09/acer-aspire-revo-ars3700-02.jpg
15:43 garywhite Ah, I see.
15:48 tenplus1 that's my everyday computer :) love it
16:15 Jordach_ Fixer, FoamFix
16:21 Sokomine hi. disabling smooth lighting does seem to leave me with nodes that are nodeboxes in black...
16:21 tenplus1 hi Sokomine
16:22 tenplus1 which one's  ?
16:22 Sokomine fixer: even the normal mc doesn't really run on my machine. at least the last time i tried
16:22 Fixer Jordach_: it is included
16:22 Fixer Sokomine: dinosaur era PC
16:23 Sokomine Fixer: no. just no extra graphics card. memory would not be the problem
16:23 Fixer Sokomine: you need extra graphics card
16:23 tenplus1 mc is quite heavy in resources
16:28 Jordach_ Fixer, run it again
16:28 Jordach_ FoamFix builds a cache to speed up loading dramatically
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16:42 Krock hi tenplus1
16:46 tenplus1 hey Krock, how's things :)
16:46 Krock all ok :)
16:47 tenplus1 kewl...
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17:02 tenplus1 * Krock Clone Alert!! *
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17:03 Krock clone removed
17:03 tenplus1 can we get your john hancock on this krock: https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1693
17:03 tenplus1 oh wait... my bad, you posted neutral... never noticed that one... ehe
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17:25 Shara Hi all
17:26 tenplus1 hi Shara
17:27 benrob0329 hi Shara
17:33 tenplus1 wb benrob
17:38 benrob0329 I've been here for a while, I have a weechat server
17:39 tenplus1 weechat sounds cute :P
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17:53 tenplus1 hi ssieb
17:54 ssieb hi
17:55 Shara Hello ssieb
17:56 benrob0329 Updated my bios, system is much happier now
17:57 tenplus1 nice :P
17:57 tenplus1 dunno if they even support my mobo anymore :P
17:59 benrob0329 Yeah, my whole system started acting wierd
17:59 tenplus1 what Os were you using at the time ?
17:59 benrob0329 couldn't get into efi config without resetting the cmos
18:00 benrob0329 Things are working much better now though :-)
18:00 tenplus1 owwie...  I dont like efi, too much hassle
18:00 benrob0329 Its not bad actually
18:00 tenplus1 am reading about the new Windows 10 S update... sounds like a nightmare
18:01 benrob0329 Make a fat32 partition, install grub
18:01 benrob0329 Point grub to init image
18:07 tenplus1 damn, Win10S will only let you install software from it's own app store, and uses Bing everywhere
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18:07 tenplus1 wb Krock
18:08 Krock ty
18:08 tenplus1 *shudder* that update sounds like disaster waiting to happen
18:08 Krock so.. my USB wireless drive is now completely wiped
18:08 tenplus1 on purpose or it just happened ?
18:08 benrob0329 Is that good or bad?
18:09 Krock good that I know that it wasn't the internet being crap, bad that I won't be use it anymore
18:09 Krock it kept overheating
18:09 tenplus1 ???
18:09 Krock most likely desoldered itself a bit
18:10 Krock at least it worked for about 6 years :)
18:10 tenplus1 least you got it's worth
18:11 Krock indeed. using my wireless PCI card now. had to steal it from another computer case
18:11 Krock and if this one fails, I'll still have the one from my RPI :3
18:12 Krock so, internet worst-case plans are there
18:12 tenplus1 dont worry, they sell N standard usb wireless dongles at the pound stores :)
18:12 Krock I know, they're very cheap. Will look out for a new one soon :)
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18:14 tenplus1 hi nrz
18:14 nerzhul hi
18:15 nerzhul private meta are now merged, please update your mods to use it and make more private data :)
18:15 tenplus1 what's the diff ?
18:19 Krock these meta fields aren't sent to the clients
18:20 Krock i.e. allows creating secret keys in meta without leaking data
18:20 tenplus1 ahh, so only server can read the contents... gotcha
18:20 Krock exactly
18:28 * tenplus1 orders another sodimm for his net-top to bring it up to 4gb :D
18:39 Fixer tenplus1: sodimm? hmmm, feels 199X
18:39 tenplus1 ehehe, sadly it can only take 2x 2gb sodimm's so I kinda felt like I needed to add another
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19:35 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1693
19:38 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1694
19:38 tenplus1 would a few of the devs kindly check those pulls... they need to be agree'd on
19:46 tenplus1 http://bcdn.eatliver.com/wp-co​ntent/uploads/2017/05/venn.jpg
19:56 Sokomine Fixer: don't want extra graphics card. it would increase noise and power consumption. i better stick with mt - that works fine on my machine :-)
19:56 tenplus1 +100
19:56 Fixer Sokomine: i can only imagine how it works...
19:57 Shara I'd just be happy with actual answers to questions asked about the PR.
19:58 Shara But instead of looking at a way to make everyone happy...
20:01 tenplus1 http://bcdn.eatliver.com/wp-cont​ent/uploads/2017/02/memories.jpg
20:02 Shara heh
20:03 Calinou :)
20:05 tenplus1 http://bcdn.eatliver.com/wp-conten​t/uploads/2017/01/vader-gates.jpg
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20:19 benrob0329 Why can't people have A) clear documentation or B) a straight foreword instal process
20:19 benrob0329 Like, I don't know the ins and outs of your system
20:19 benrob0329 How am I supposed to know when to do __ if its not stated anywhere?
20:19 tenplus1 most ppl dont read the docs so an install with optimized settings to protect user is best option
20:20 tenplus1 also, would be nice if craftguide was included in default in some form
20:20 Shara benrob0329:  Based on when I used to work on creating software documentation - it's because they give the writer ten minutes to look at the software which is being used by someone else, and then there is no one you can ask questions of after that :D
20:21 Shara either that, or because they outsource the task to someone who can't really handle english, never mind technical documentation.
20:21 benrob0329 Im trying to install slackware, and whilst the install should have gone smoothly
20:22 benrob0329 except the uefi documentation is about as slacking as the package manager
20:22 tenplus1 erk...
20:22 benrob0329 Efi isn't hard, you just have to tell me how you have the setup progran setup!
20:22 tenplus1 that's why I prefer an ubuntu-based distro cause ubiquity handles many things for you
20:23 benrob0329 Arch is easier than some of the nonsense I've seen lately
20:23 benrob0329 Granted, arch isn't hard
20:26 ssieb Fedora!
20:27 tenplus1 lol, tried it... didnt like it so much
20:27 benrob0329 Fedora...its not bad
20:27 benrob0329 But its not great eithet
20:27 benrob0329 *r
20:27 tenplus1 I do however like that they have gone wayland :D
20:28 benrob0329 Wayland has been available in Arch and Gentoo for a while now, so they are not the only distro to have done so
20:28 benrob0329 Perhaps I should go with Gentoo, as the documentation seems superb
20:29 benrob0329 And it'll teach me more about the system
21:06 benrob0329 red++
21:19 tenplus1 nite all
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21:25 Fixer PROCRASTINATION
21:25 Fixer i have problems with designing my base
21:26 nerzhul database N
21:27 Fixer current situation: https://i.imgur.com/Ap6SqlK.jpg
21:28 Fixer will add fountain, mini footbal field/or tennis field, few places for viewing
21:29 Fixer mini lake
21:29 Fixer fucking great idea
21:30 Fixer i'm afking with my idle acc with debug on server, still no crash that i really want to catch before release
21:30 nerzhul https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5719 is nice no ? vote vote :D
21:31 Fixer nerzhul: it does look nice
21:32 Fixer nerzhul: less debuggy feel
21:32 Fixer which is good
21:32 nerzhul Fixer, yeah :D
21:32 Fixer less alpha feel** :trollface:
21:35 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/aJfnqC7.png
21:35 Fixer not sure if troll
21:35 benrob0329 nerzhul: I +1ed it :-)
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