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07:34 tenplus1 hi folks
08:02 * tenplus1 noms pancakes
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08:25 tenplus1 hi nrz
08:49 Shara Morning all
08:49 tenplus1 hi Shara :)
08:50 Shara Hi ten, how goes?
08:50 tenplus1 not bad...  *noms pancakes*
08:51 Shara share please!
08:51 tenplus1 ehehe...
08:51 * tenplus1 always shares
08:53 tenplus1 watching a good video on youtube called "The REAL Truth About Religion and it's Origins"... it's really fascinating :))))
08:55 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
08:56 Shara :P
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09:01 tenplus1 wb nrz...  isp problems ?
09:01 nerzhul no, restarted my session due to clipboard problem after an update
09:01 tenplus1 *shakes fist at clipboard* :P
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09:23 shivajiva morning :)
09:24 tenplus1 hi shiva
09:24 shivajiva Hi ten
09:24 tenplus1 how's things ?
09:25 shivajiva good thanks, I see I have reading to do :P
09:26 tenplus1 ehehe...  about to update Xanadu with latest knockback function
09:34 nerzhul tenplus1, you mean the knockback PR ?
09:35 tenplus1 yeah, it detects which function to use depending on singleplayer
09:35 tenplus1 entity attachment works better in singleplayer, moveto slide in multiplayer
09:38 Shara you'll probably get disapprovals just for behaviour being different between single/multiplayer
09:38 tenplus1 bring it on!!!!! :P
09:40 nerzhul tenplus1, if you mean the Dumbeldor Knockbar PR it needs client side support ,else, no interest
09:40 tenplus1 noo, not that one... the one I added to playerplus
09:41 tenplus1 it detects if in singleplayer... if so then it'll attach player to entity, calculate knockback and move entity and then detach... works well when no-one can see you sliding in
09:41 tenplus1 if on server it moves entity only and uses moveto so the lag causes player to slide into position which looks same :) but no slide bug from 0,0,0
09:41 tenplus1 shiva helped me with this one
09:46 tenplus1 k, the new function looks better when you hit someone else and see them sliding around... but... when someone hits you it feels like a quick shudder into position
09:46 tenplus1 I hope the 0,0,0 detatch bug gets sorted soon
09:49 nerzhul tenplus1, it's hacky, it's why the Dumbeldor pr should be finished and merged, as i say everytime MT is modular, but some hacky things should be cut in favor of properly specialized behaviour (respecially on physics :p)
09:50 tenplus1 I hope dumble's pull gets finished and accepted...we really need proper knockback in game
10:02 shivajiva ^ +1
10:03 tenplus1 even using player:moveto(newpos, true) hplayer jerks into position... pah!
10:27 shivajiva until we understand where and why the reset back to 0,0,0 occurs on a remote server / client configuration the bug will continue to exist
10:28 tenplus1 if only they wuld add the ability to player:set_velocity()
10:30 shivajiva I guess I need to search for all references to 0,0,0 to understand what's going on
10:30 tenplus1 a challenge awaits!
10:32 shivajiva we know it's not in the detach now that's fixed so it's picked up in the delay somewhere else
10:33 tenplus1 hrm
10:34 shivajiva you don't agree?
10:34 tenplus1 trying to think where it could be
10:35 tenplus1 what's involved in entity attach.detatch
10:35 nerzhul i don't agree
10:35 nerzhul (i don't read what you said :p)
10:36 shivajiva I think it's outside of that process as I tinkered with attach and detach
10:36 shivajiva Nerzhul: lol thanks
10:42 shivajiva heh 46 files containing 0,0,0
10:42 shivajiva I need a more realistic search term I think :)
10:43 tenplus1 lol
10:44 shivajiva who's the expert dev on player code?
10:45 nerzhul it's rdococ
10:46 shivajiva answers like 'you after you looked at the 46 files' are not welcomed XD
10:47 shivajiva thanks I'll have a chat with them :)
10:52 Shara nerzhul: rdococ is a dev?
10:56 tenplus1 wasnt docOc one of the spiderman villans ? :P
10:57 Shara Just curious because he's been a player on my server for well over a year, but these days mostly just meows at people and things. :)
10:57 tenplus1 lol
10:57 Shara He talked about working on mods, but never saw anything
10:57 Shara which is a pity, because some of it sounded interesting
10:58 * Shara will just go digging
10:58 tenplus1 any good ideas?
10:59 Shara He mentioned things about space mods I think
10:59 tenplus1 ooh
10:59 Shara found him on github, but nothing much there
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11:01 tenplus1 hi fixer
11:01 Shara hi Fixer
11:02 Zeno` https://github.com/orgs/minetest/people
11:03 Shara Hi Zeno`
11:04 Zeno` hi :)
11:04 shivajiva hi Zeno o/
11:04 tenplus1 hi Zeno
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11:28 tenplus1 hi Da
11:28 tenplus1 hi Darcidride
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11:40 Darcidride Hi everybody
11:41 Calinou hi
11:42 tenplus1 hi cal
11:46 Fixer hi
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12:06 Jordach hi tenplus1
12:07 Jordach :^)
12:07 tenplus1 hi Jordach :P
12:09 tenplus1 been watching "American Gods" tv show... it pretty good :D
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12:18 tenplus1 hi RobbieF
12:21 Shara Hi RobbieF
12:26 Jordach *autistic screeching*
12:26 tenplus1 lol
12:26 Jordach why does firefox do that but chrome can't
12:27 tenplus1 do what ?
12:27 Jordach restore tabs in a paranoid mode
12:30 RobbieF Hi TenPlus1, Shara, and all.
12:30 tenplus1 o/
12:30 RobbieF All well?
12:31 Shara Pretty good thanks :)
12:31 shivajiva Hi RobbieF, yea good and you?
12:31 tenplus1 doing okies, you ?
12:31 RobbieF Hi shivajiva. Very well thanks.
12:31 RobbieF Get the new van on Friday!
12:31 tenplus1 kewl
12:31 Shara :)
12:32 tenplus1 we both got something to looko forward to on friday :D
12:32 RobbieF there's a picture of it on episode 503 - just uploading it now
12:32 RobbieF what's friday for you ten?
12:32 tenplus1 memory upgrade arrives for net-top... will have a whopping 4gb in total :PPP
12:34 * Jordach feels like building tenplus1 a real ITX build
12:34 tenplus1 ehehe, am happy with my wee net-top :P
12:35 Jordach tenplus1, it can then actually run Minetest
12:35 shivajiva heh snappy, hope it yields the expected result for you ten
12:35 tenplus1 I can run minetest :) works well, andlets me feel any lagg which I need
12:36 Jordach then again my tower is a workstation
12:36 tenplus1 http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-cont​ent/uploads/2010/09/acer-3700.jpg .. https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon​.com/images/G/02/uk-electronics/pro​duct_content/Acer/R3700_feat_L.jpg
12:38 tenplus1 beb
12:38 tenplus1 er... brb ;P
12:40 RobbieF oh nice tenplus1! That's twice your RAM!
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12:47 tenplus1 hi NathanS21
12:48 NathanS21 hi tenplus1
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13:01 tenplus1 hi lumidify
13:01 lumidify Hi tenplus1
13:01 lumidify Did you get tired of the capitals?
13:02 tenplus1 yeah, am out in the country today
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13:16 tenplus1 hi octacian
13:31 Jordach https://youtu.be/TuZTnZLzb0Q?t=18m43s tenplus1 lmao
13:35 tenplus1 lol
13:57 tenplus1 was about to say that the pepperflash plugin seems to work well with Midori browser... and then it crashed :D
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14:06 tenplus1 you shall not pass!
14:07 tenplus1 Jordach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlWwIBwExaI
14:07 tenplus1 Windows 10 S *HELL*
14:11 Jordach tenplus1, cheap ass upgrade to Pro tho
14:11 Jordach then copy the key to a desktop
14:12 tenplus1 it kinda is extortion tho...  free update to 10S but you can only run our apps... want steam or minetest, give us 50 dollars to upgrade to pro
14:15 Shara ewww
14:16 tenplus1 MicroSh*t has seriously lost the plot
14:17 Jordach it's designed for schools and shit
14:17 Jordach not fucking home use
14:17 tenplus1 am so glad that I turned to linux all those years ago
14:18 Calinou hi
14:18 Calinou lol, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05​/libreoffice-5-3-3-released-works-​better-microsoft-office-documents
14:18 Calinou is there a single LibreOffice release that's not advertised as "working better with Microsoft Office documents"?
14:18 Calinou I wonder...
14:18 tenplus1 that's the problem Jordach, schools can only use what's on the app store... you wanna run or teach programming or like they say "make a robot" you cant without paying 50 quid to run your own software
14:18 Jordach tenplus1, the admins can sideload win32 apps as usual
14:19 tenplus1 not unless you run the pro version, they've made sure you can only run store apps unless you update
14:19 Calinou Windows 10 S is intended as a Chrome OS competitor, but I consider Chrome OS-like things to be flawed by design
14:19 Jordach it's group policy on steroids
14:19 Calinou they are poor student machines anyway, so I don't care at first, but it makes me sad that those poor students can't enjoy freedom
14:19 tenplus1 10s and 10s pro are exactly the same apart from a flag stating you can run your own stuff
14:19 Calinou I guess we're back to the Windows NT era :P
14:19 Calinou (where you could pay to allow more TCP connections or something, I read)
14:20 Calinou dem antifeatures...
14:20 tenplus1 lol, wsnt that Winxp lite ?
14:20 tenplus1 could only run 3 apps at one time, no wallpaper etc etc
14:20 Jordach Vista Basic ^
14:20 tenplus1 I'd so convert schools to linux usage :)
14:20 Jordach and anyways, tenplus1
14:21 Jordach Win 10 S is meant to literally be a stripped down copy of windows
14:21 tenplus1 they removed desktop
14:21 Jordach you do realise that most normal people don't need anything but facebook, twitter, instagram/pinterest and youtube
14:21 Jordach and nothing more
14:22 tenplus1 true, the things that a tablet or phone could run
14:22 tenplus1 they are stripping users of the freedom to run whatever they want on the Os... the Os should only give you a base to work on...
14:22 Jordach you expect normal people to understand the mathematical concepts of computer science?
14:23 Jordach people want to unbox it and it works straight off the ba
14:23 tenplus1 I expect normal users to at some point wanna use something that isnt in the app store and have the freedom to run it without paying 50 quid
14:23 Jordach no fucking messing with DEs and nano just to get video drivers working
14:24 Jordach Linux will take off once it stops expecting users to be COMPUTING LITERATE
14:24 tenplus1 so far any user I've installed Ubuntu for has been quite happy and had no issue using it
14:25 tenplus1 you can make it as easy or as advanced as ya like
14:25 Jordach and that's a prepacked OS
14:26 Jordach MS stopped doing Home Basic and Home Premium, Ultimate, Professional for a reason
14:26 Jordach choice confuses consumers
14:26 tenplus1 now you only have 1 choice :) use our apps or give us 50 quid to use your own
14:27 Jordach tenplus1, not really
14:27 Jordach you don't have to buy the laptop
14:27 tenplus1 am talking about when the update comes out and makes ppl run it
14:28 Jordach tenplus1, it's strictly for their "chromebook like" range
14:28 tenplus1 same as win7/8 users being bombarded with win10 update
14:28 tenplus1 give it time...
14:28 tenplus1 microsoft runs a certain way... this I expect
14:28 Jordach crying wolf just because the old guard has caught up and is fighting the behemoth called Google
14:28 Jordach it's google you should be having fucking issues with
14:28 Jordach not MS
14:28 tenplus1 I have my own issues with google as well :P
14:30 Jordach tenplus1, and guess what, chromebooks are far more locked down than a W10 S laptop
14:30 Jordach but a browser is almost what anyone needs these days
14:30 tenplus1 for the most part, true...  what I'm saying though is that M$ is taking their flagship Os and locking it down to app store and making you pay to unlock it
14:30 tenplus1 that's the issue
14:31 Jordach an issue spawned by other tech giants
14:31 tenplus1 how many millions of pc's run windows, and how many of those will update when that little popup appears in teh corner to 10S
14:31 Jordach 10S is it's own thing
14:31 Jordach Windows 7/8 won't recieve GWX anymore
14:32 Jordach 10S is not designed for Home use
14:32 Jordach that's what Windows 10 Home is for
14:32 tenplus1 lol
14:33 Jordach and businesses already volume license Win10 Enterprise
14:33 Jordach and in some situations, like for grandad who ends up installing malware
14:34 Jordach win 10 S is actually useful in very specific cases
14:34 Jordach it's more specialised than Pro and Home editions
14:35 tenplus1 depending if the app store apps are actually tested for malware in advance :D
14:35 Jordach most kids i know at school now say that Windows is what they use at school
14:36 Jordach they think of windows as a educational / business thing
14:36 tenplus1 *shudder*
14:37 Calinou <Jordach> choice confuses consumers
14:37 Jordach their first IT experience is either a tablet with iOS or Android
14:37 Calinou while what you say is true, proprietary software still has a lot of segmentation going on, though it's getting better since ~5 years
14:37 tenplus1 slow but sure
14:37 Calinou we have 3 Windows editions right now (Home, Pro, Enterprise), but many branches of it: LTSB (for Enterprise), N (no codecs), Single Language, China...
14:38 Fixer Jordach: who on earth spends money on windows, especially on garbage w10? only way is pirated win 10 enterprise with all crap and tracking removed and still it feels like shit and want to go back to 7 :trollface:
14:39 Jordach Calinou, N is just the Euro version of Windows
14:39 Calinou well, the Windows 10 Home on my laptop has a preinstalled key in UEFI
14:39 Calinou so I paid for it indirectly
14:39 Calinou so I'm not on Pro, but I don't have to deal with the software whose name starts with a K and ends with a o :)
14:39 Calinou (since I have Office "for free" too as part of an university program...)
14:40 Calinou fun fact: Windows 10 Home does not have Group Policy (gpedit.msc), but with regedit, some settings to disable things still work, such as disabling Windows Defender in a permanent manner. However, as of the Creators Update, you get a fancy error icon in your tray area, which is permanent
14:40 Calinou (Defender icon with an error sign)
14:40 Fixer tenplus1: you have two choices: 1) suck MS d--k and be happy 2) use other OS
14:41 Jordach >doesn't realise the entire gaming industry uses windows
14:41 tenplus1 hi Fixer and yeah, linux all the way :D
14:43 Calinou I do pretty much all of my gaming on Linux now
14:43 tenplus1 same...  steam runs pretty well in Wine 2.01 now :) and anything I can run native I will
14:43 Calinou I mean... now you can play CS:GO comp games with friends running Windows
14:43 Calinou you couldn't dream of that 5 years ago
14:43 Calinou and it works very well
14:43 tenplus1 interesting -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNf0zGZJbXM
14:44 Calinou I think I'll buy Dirt Rally when it's on sale, too
14:44 Jordach tenplus1, every DE looks like a fucking Mac now
14:44 Jordach ew
14:44 Fixer Jordach: windows was business OS from the start... it even looked workstation like, before XP era glamurofication/dumbing-down for masses
14:44 Calinou I have Dirt 3 and Dirt Showdown, the former is not on Linux (yet?), the latter is meh but is on Linux
14:44 Calinou Dirt Rally is apparently quite good, and has Linux support now
14:44 Calinou but outside of sales, it's expensive
14:44 Calinou it was at €12.50 once
14:44 tenplus1 kewl
14:45 tenplus1 I wanted "Alice: Madness Returns" for the longest time and got it during a steam sale for 3.50 :)))))) windows only but hey, wine is amazing now
14:45 Fixer Jordach: todays kiddies start with SHITTY android/IOS, then see REAL OS, ofc it will feel business like for them, you can do actual stuff with it, not like removing glands via anal on smartphone/tablet
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14:46 Jordach Fixer, any iOS / Android suits their needs
14:46 Jordach they don't care as long as they have the newest cool app on the store
14:46 Fixer i had the same feel after ZX spectrum and seeing Win95 in office, it felt good
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14:46 tenplus1 lol
14:46 Fixer Jordach: if you don't do any work - yes
14:47 Fixer Jordach: if you just watching youtube & shit - sure
14:47 Jordach Fixer, and i doubt kids want to do anything like that
14:47 tenplus1 android/ios is probably more than enough for most folks aily usage...
14:48 Calinou Serious Sam Fusion (currently in beta) works well on native, too
14:48 Jordach IT in the UK is now trying to get kids programming, and they dont give a single fuck about it
14:48 tenplus1 if anything they want a bigger screen in a tablet and not desktop usage
14:48 Calinou tried only OpenGL, but it has Vulkan in beta
14:48 Calinou now I no longer need WINE for the Serious Sam HD games, which is always a good thing
14:48 tenplus1 Jordach: not all kids, but some...   I went into programming when I was at school
14:48 Calinou Croteam being Croteam, I guess :P
14:49 Fixer Jordach: kek, you have not seen my school turbo pascal lessons... stuff like a+b was too hard for 99%
14:49 Fixer Jordach: it is a myth that everyone wants/can program
14:49 tenplus1 lol, i wrote a GUi librari in pascal :) was fun
14:49 Fixer while i was better at that IT stuff, I never went into it, because i dislike all this cancer
14:50 Fixer Jordach: kids want to play with the stick on the yard (tm)
14:50 tenplus1 pascal/amos gave me the freedom to make what I wanted...
14:50 Fixer or football
14:50 tenplus1 but still found time to get out when I wanted :D
14:51 Jordach i expect IT to be a dead industry in 30 years
14:51 Fixer nope
14:51 Fixer too autistic
14:51 Jordach Fixer, and theres the problemn
14:51 tenplus1 definitely not gonna happen...
14:51 tenplus1 IT will still be there in a big way in teh background... but disposable devices will be more prevalant
14:51 Jordach everyone who does IT now won't want to do it in 10 years time, and those that do program won't want to either
14:52 tenplus1 depends on the stress levels of the job I suppose
14:52 tenplus1 I do it as a hobby and for fun mostly
14:52 Jordach the veterans are unable to train new blood, tenplus1
14:53 Jordach because children are uninterested in the technical aspects
14:53 CWz What ever happened to PilzAdam
14:53 tenplus1 no idea CWz, might be taking a haitus
14:53 Fixer Jordach: thats why I don't went into IT, because IT is not developing Minecraft (tm) or something you like, but developing some FUCKING PURE enterprise SHITE written in SHIT BY SHITHEADS for some shitbank or whatever
14:53 tenplus1 did you hear about the Cobol situation in banks ???
14:53 CWz Python ftw
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14:54 Fixer you think IT is cool, but you end up with boring shit nobody wants to do
14:54 Fixer who wants to develope some shitty program for shitty bank, thats very sad and depressing
14:54 tenplus1 the older IT peeps who know Cobol are slowly dying off and no-one wants to learn it anymore, so they are scurrying around trying to get the banking systems converted to another language which is more popular and has support :D gonna cost millions
14:55 Fixer tenplus1: nobody cares, fuck cobol, fuck banks, fuck everybody
14:55 tenplus1 thanks dude :P
14:55 Fixer tenplus1: bank will fail anyway in sometime, why care dealing with IT-autists... :trollface:
14:56 tenplus1 convert it all to Visual Basic :PPPP ahahaha
14:56 Calinou in Minetest, you don't Cobol. You Cobble.
14:56 Fixer CEO has his money and shareholders are happy
14:56 tenplus1 lol
14:57 Fixer Calinou: in minetest you are Cobble, because MTG is "simple" (tm)(r)(c)
14:57 Jordach fun fact
14:58 Jordach Mojang were too late with MC:Edu
14:58 Jordach MC is now uncool
14:58 tenplus1 ahahahahah
14:58 tenplus1 and I've heard that some schools are using Minetest instead :D
14:58 tenplus1 lua is easier
14:58 Jordach tenplus1, by too late i mean MC is no longer cool to kids
14:58 Jordach they've moved on
14:58 tenplus1 what they gagging for now ??
14:59 tenplus1 better not be a new candy crush
14:59 Jordach Roblox
14:59 Jordach which has a Windows 10 store app
14:59 tenplus1 *shudder*... it's like a simplified version of gary's game
14:59 Jordach and it's free
15:00 tenplus1 but hey ho... each to their own
15:00 Fixer Jordach: MC not cool for kids? finally, kid free environment soon!
15:01 tenplus1 eheheheh
15:01 Jordach Fixer, exactly, their YT'ers have moved on
15:01 tenplus1 we still have loads of android/ios users on server... sadly using bogus clones
15:01 Jordach (it appears to be somewhere between GTA:O and Roblox)
15:01 Fixer Jordach: there are still lots of MC YTbers
15:01 Jordach Fixer, but are switching their games out to be fresh
15:02 Fixer yep
15:02 Jordach things like DW20 and co aren't going to; it's their thing
15:02 tenplus1 yeah... Yogscast is pretty funny atm, watching Duncan
15:03 Fixer Jordach: minetest game accept cars after 6 years of development, viable alternative to MC, says expert
15:03 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pu5fRGP6PE
15:03 Fixer carts*
15:03 tenplus1 MT will slowly become a game but for now it relies on servers to give it that
15:04 Fixer on modders
15:04 tenplus1 modders write but it's up to the servers/players to use what we make
15:05 tenplus1 I've only seen one other server using Lucky Blocks...
15:05 Fixer yes, but I want a game, not crippled sandbox i will be bored in 30 min
15:05 Jordach tenplus1, again, out of fashion
15:05 tenplus1 bums!
15:07 tenplus1 we need players to come up with adventure maps that others will play... something to bring a story to mt
15:07 tenplus1 I asked bodil40 a whlie back if he'd be that person... nothing yet :OP
15:09 Shara Ten, you know that's something I'm looking at...
15:10 tenplus1 adventure/story games ?
15:10 Shara Yup
15:11 tenplus1 w00t! :) if players have a goal with some adventure inbetween it'd make for a great game...
15:11 tenplus1 I keep meaning to work on the command blocks but never have the time
15:11 Shara don't know if it will fully do what you are thinking, but taking my time to get everything I want right for it :)
15:12 tenplus1 step at a time :) is the way to go
15:12 tenplus1 Don's soundblocks will come in handy as well for mob battle music etc
15:12 Shara well, this will have puzzles, not mobs
15:13 tenplus1 puzzles are good :D
15:13 Shara it's one of the reasons I was interested in the collission box changes
15:13 tenplus1 was gonna put item gravity on dropped items so they would have different effects when you drop them... aiming into gaps etc, detectors etc
15:14 * Shara really really wants a way to flip gravity
15:14 tenplus1 player can attach to entity to flip gravity
15:15 tenplus1 but controlling entity vs real player contol is a pain in the butt
15:15 Fixer tenplus1: lag
15:16 tenplus1 yup
15:16 Shara I'm just mainly looking at things that can be done to players to help/hinder them getting through obstacles
15:16 tenplus1 kinda wish you could assign a player flag to an actual entity and take control
15:17 Shara it would help
15:18 tenplus1 yeah, would give you more freedom with player look/collision/etc and give you proper gravity changes
15:18 tenplus1 and flipping
15:18 tenplus1 back laters :S
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15:27 benrob0329 <+Jordach> tenplus1, every DE looks like a fucking Mac now
15:28 benrob0329 Lxde, KDE Plasma, Xfce, Literally every Window manager + panel is defaulted to a windows like look
15:28 Jordach benrob0329, not the prepacked Distros
15:28 benrob0329 heh
15:28 benrob0329 Xubuntu, Lubuntu
15:28 benrob0329 Antergos running anything but Gnome
15:29 benrob0329 Kubuntu/kde neon
15:29 benrob0329 You clearly don't know Linux, Jordach
15:30 benrob0329 And yeah, gnome got smart and started to innovate
15:31 benrob0329 Some people like it, some dont
15:32 Fixer benrob0329: gnome got apple
15:33 benrob0329 Apples are good, full of fiber.
15:33 Fixer and i'm really tired of copying apple
15:33 benrob0329 I'm really tierd of copying windows
15:34 Fixer still gravitation to NT/W2K UI times, simple yet powerful, now it is degenerated into clusterfuck
15:34 benrob0329 The only thing Gnome does that's apple like by default is have a bar on top
15:35 Fixer gnome is cancer
15:35 benrob0329 outide of that its almost completely different
15:35 benrob0329 You are cancer
15:36 Fixer Jordach: turns out some MC modpacks eat all my VRAM and has like 3 fps, after disabling mipmaps it goes back to 80-100 fps
15:36 benrob0329 tell me, why the hell is gnome so bad?
15:36 Jordach Fixer, ^
15:36 Fixer and i have 1gb of vram
15:36 benrob0329 Heh, that's cute
15:36 Fixer not much by today standards
15:37 benrob0329 again, why is gnome so bad, aside from just "I don't like it"
15:37 Fixer benrob0329: HIG, elitism, low customise, copy apple, remove features
15:37 benrob0329 Hig, translation please
15:38 benrob0329 Elitism, no more than KDE
15:38 Fixer https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/
15:38 benrob0329 Low customize, ever heard of Dconf and extensions?
15:38 Fixer KDE is bloat
15:38 Fixer benrob0329: yes, even heared gconf
15:39 Fixer GTK is shitmess
15:39 benrob0329 Copy apple, what because there is a bar on top? Screw off
15:39 Fixer there are tons of holywars about gnome and apple :D
15:40 benrob0329 Remove features, like what? I hear this all the time but no one can ever give me an example
15:40 Fixer benrob0329: i was reading lots of holywars since release of gnome 2 and gnome 3 at the time
15:41 Fixer and it was all about "HIG, elitism, low customise, copy apple, remove features"
15:41 benrob0329 early gnome3 was pretty bad from whar I hear
15:41 Fixer kde also had some problem with keyboard switcher
15:41 Fixer KDE4 = total kek
15:41 Fixer KDE4.0 is not KDE4
15:41 * red-002 dislikes KDE
15:41 Fixer that was shitmess
15:42 benrob0329 gnome3 was rejected because it was different, and early in development
15:42 benrob0329 Its slowly fixed many of the problems it had early on
15:43 Fixer somewhere near 2010 people were: eh, GNOME2 2.20 is shiiiiiiiiit, but it is my shit and I'm used to it; KDE3 is so bloat/windowsy - used to it, then they both ruined it and started global linux DE shitshow, so big, that XFCE became so popular now
15:43 benrob0329 But some still hang on to criticizing the early problems it had
15:43 benrob0329 Yes, people hate change
15:43 Fixer kde5 = plasma still crashing
15:44 benrob0329 Funny how they change when they don't like the change
15:44 benrob0329 Its more stable now, but yeah
15:46 Fixer benrob0329: in 2010 or so it was polished shit, now it is unpolished hipster shit
15:46 Fixer gtk2/3/4 compabitibity problems
15:47 Fixer gimp still at gtk2, hipsters rush to gtk4
15:47 benrob0329 Gtk4 isn't even in dev yet
15:47 Fixer very soon
15:47 benrob0329 Possibly
15:48 benrob0329 At least its not trying to use gtk2 themes for all of its apps
15:48 benrob0329 Sure, gimp uses 2
15:49 Fixer gtk 3 theme support is shitshow
15:49 Fixer if you are theme creator you are mazohist
15:49 benrob0329 because its css?
15:49 Fixer because of changes every release, themes break every release
15:49 benrob0329 haven't noticed, but ok
15:50 Fixer and then once gtk 3 "stabilise", they throw it out in garbage and start unstable gtk4
15:50 benrob0329 again, you say that
15:50 benrob0329 But there are no dates for 4
15:51 benrob0329 its only been talked about for starting somewhere in the future
15:52 benrob0329 But as I've said in the past, and as ill say now
15:52 benrob0329 Imgui ftw
15:53 benrob0329 It doesn't reinvent the wheel like QT
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15:54 benrob0329 and its not GTK (which gets more hate than the sneak changes)
15:55 benrob0329 Its dead simple, and as cross platform as the renderer you use.
15:56 red-002 sn**k
15:56 benrob0329 Lol
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15:56 red-002 don't curse in here
15:57 * red-002 missed the chance to curse while saying that
16:01 rdococ meow
16:01 Shara Hi rdococ-cat
16:05 Calinou Jordach: I remember Overwatch being fairly cool to kids too
16:05 Calinou (especially Reaper…)
16:08 rdococ hi Shara
16:08 Jordach Calinou, pie pie pie
16:10 rdococ Tasty
16:14 Fixer Calinou: why would not it?
16:15 Calinou it's marketed super well anyway
16:16 Calinou so they can sell it at €40 average, €35 at best, and get away with it
16:16 Calinou :|
16:16 Calinou and not have any macOS or Linux support :P
16:17 benrob0329 Proprietary software, isn't it great?
16:18 benrob0329 "You cant tell us what to do, we hold the monopoly."
16:21 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/e3K7eqL.png TRIGGERED
16:24 benrob0329 DOUBLE TRIGGERED
16:24 rdococ TRIPLE TRIGGERED
16:25 Shara I just /kick without even thinking these days :)
16:27 benrob0329 "Oh what, you thought you could roleplay on MY server?"
16:27 benrob0329 "Well you can't, so bye."
16:31 Shara It's in the rules.
16:31 Shara Can't stand this family stuff.
16:31 Calinou we have this in #redeclipse, TRIGGERED ECLIPSE
16:31 Calinou :P
16:31 benrob0329 ~tell tenplus1 https://github.com/matrix-org/purple-matrix/
16:31 ShadowBot benrob0329: O.K.
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16:53 red-003 lol apprently the european central bank has a youtube channel and I'm subscribed to it
17:00 DS-minetest thanks Shara :)
17:00 DS-minetest btw
17:00 Shara No problem :)
17:04 benrob0329 Hi DS-minetest
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17:16 DS-minetest hi benrob0329
17:17 rdococ hi DS-minetest
17:17 DS-minetest hi rdococ
17:17 rdococ hi benrob0329
17:18 benrob0329 Hi rdococ
17:18 * benrob0329 restarts the gentoo install because he didn't make /boot big enough
17:20 Fixer gentoo @ 2017
17:23 kaeza hurd @ 2117
17:24 cx384 hi
17:24 benrob0329 Hi cx384
17:25 Shara Hi cx384 :)
17:25 Fixer kaeza: 2217
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17:56 rdococ hi Krock
17:56 Krock hi rdococ
17:56 benrob0329 o/ Krock
17:56 Krock and really. IRC is the only stable connection here
17:57 kaeza o/ Krock
17:57 kaeza rdococ!
17:57 Fixer CYBERBATONS
17:57 Krock ping to 8.8.8.8 (google) and github time out.. wtf
17:57 benrob0329 What
17:57 nerzhul Krock, maybe they block ICMP
17:57 Shara Hi Krock
17:57 sofar carrier pidgeon internet
17:57 Krock nerzhul, it just worked 3 mins ago
17:58 Krock with an average response time of 16ms
17:58 * Krock keeps whois'ing to check if IRC is still alive
18:00 Krock mhm. how am I supposed to read the notifications here? :/
18:01 rdococ hi
18:01 Krock brb, trying to fiddle a bit with the wireless card settings. maybe it helps
18:03 Fixer what notifications?
18:04 cx384 bye
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18:08 Fixer Krock, github went bankrupt
18:09 benrob0329 Heh
18:09 Fixer btw, we need actual backup plan for everything minetest related hosted on github
18:10 Fixer i doubt it will happen soon enough
18:10 Fixer but still amusing to think how much headache it will cause
18:11 red-003 not really
18:11 red-003 there is gitlab
18:11 Fixer say it goes off in 1 year, so you need to get the list or minetest-related repos, including active forks, then close thousands of them to other platform, etc
18:11 Fixer list of*
18:11 kaeza most core devs have local copies of the repo
18:12 Fixer "then close" wth i'm typing
18:12 kaeza so it doesn't matter
18:12 Fixer "then clone"
18:12 red-003 I kinda doubt that github will go down
18:12 Fixer kaeza: mods
18:12 Fixer red-003: lets say they decide not to host open source stuff anymore
18:12 kaeza Fixer, modders have local copies :P
18:13 red-003 ^
18:13 kaeza well, except in the case of *ahem* HDD crash
18:13 Fixer kaeza: and some don't care or died
18:13 kaeza ;_;
18:13 red-003 well we have a lot of mods
18:13 Fixer i have an idea for April 1 minetest joke
18:13 Fixer greatest idea ever
18:14 kaeza do tell
18:14 Fixer Minetest is moving to Sourceforge
18:14 red-003 sourceforge is too respectable
18:14 red-003 try znet
18:14 kaeza google code?
18:15 benrob0329 Bitbucket
18:15 Fixer red-003: have you seen sourceforge UI?
18:15 benrob0329 Or KDE's git servers, and is being renamed to Kminer :PP
18:15 red-003 I meant cnet
18:15 kaeza does SF even support git?
18:15 benrob0329 I think.it does
18:15 red-003 have you seen cnet ads?
18:15 kaeza last time I used it it only supported CVS IIRC
18:15 Fixer you need to have double PHD in sourceforge to actually browse it
18:16 kaeza that was looong ago, tho
18:16 Fixer benrob0329: moves to Savannah...
18:17 Fixer red-003: sourceforge is respectable? you probably was in cryo few last years
18:18 Fixer there was a shitshow with sourceforge with ragequits and stuff
18:18 red-003 I didn't say it was respectable
18:18 Fixer ah, too respectable, ok
18:18 red-003 just cnet is so much worse
18:19 Fixer it is very cancerous
18:22 benrob0329 Nonono
18:22 benrob0329 MetaFire/whatever its called
18:29 rdococ Meow? Meow. Meow!
18:30 benrob0329 Woof
18:31 * rdococ turns into a vampire and runs through an infinite mirror tunnel
18:31 rdococ weeee
18:31 benrob0329 But you cant see yourself
18:31 rdococ I know.
18:31 rdococ but I can walk through mirrors, because magic.
18:31 benrob0329 oh
18:31 rdococ and I have no reflection blocking me.
18:32 benrob0329 mmmk then
18:32 rdococ It's a part of a fictional thing I'm working on.
18:32 benrob0329 I'll just pretend like I didnt just hear some serios parallel univers stuff and move on
18:33 * rdococ places a mirror below, and a mirror above him, and falls infinitely. "Weeeeee!"
18:33 * benrob0329 places an inverse mirror under him
18:33 benrob0329 s/inverse/anti
18:34 rdococ An anti-mirror? O_o
18:34 benrob0329 Yes, it reflects everything that can't be reflected
18:34 benrob0329 So transparent objecs, air,
18:34 benrob0329 Vampires
18:35 rdococ Air can be reflected. Otherwise you wouldn't see the sky when you place a mirror outside.
18:36 benrob0329 Only the long blue wavelengths of light that slowly collect due to distortion
18:36 rdococ Does that count as a form of reflection?
18:36 rdococ Imagine the Sun was a vampire. Would the sky still be blue?
18:37 rdococ Also, imagine a tiny cube whose inside surfaces are mirrors. Could a vampire survive in such a small space by virtue of being able to go through mirrors?
18:37 rdococ Also, what happens if you open the cube?
18:37 rdococ How would you get a vampire in there in the first place?
18:38 benrob0329 Why don't vampires have a reflection?
18:38 benrob0329 Lets just answer that one
18:39 rdococ I once tried a thought experiment to transfer information FTL through a vampire's interaction with photons.
18:40 rubenwardy sfan5, #minetest
18:40 rdococ It didn't work.
18:40 rubenwardy omg guys
18:40 rubenwardy you won't believe this
18:40 rubenwardy there is a mt TLD
18:41 rdococ TLD?
18:41 rubenwardy top level domain
18:41 rdococ ah
18:42 rubenwardy you can't buy example.mt though :(   Only example.[com|org|net].mt
18:43 rdococ ooh
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18:48 benrob0329 Can we get minetest.mt?
18:48 benrob0329 Or game.mt
18:48 benrob0329 Or mtg.mt
18:48 rdococ nah
18:50 rdococ .mt is malta :P
18:51 CWz sorry i am not planing to malta way here
18:52 CWz I plan to remain a glacier for the next couple hundred years
18:52 Fixer mine.io
18:52 Fixer hip level above 9000
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18:53 CWz io nothing to know one
18:53 * CWz will stop trying to make puns now
18:55 CWz How come most server players don't help with codding minetest? because they don't want to commit to the project.
18:55 * CWz is angry at himself
18:55 * garywhite appears
18:55 * CWz disappears
18:55 garywhite because a lot of us don't know how to code C++
18:57 benrob0329 Ok, things should be mounted correctly this time around
18:58 * benrob0329 builds base desktop configuration
19:06 paramat Shara we cannot yet invert the player with true inverted gravity, but, have you tried 'physics override' with gravity = -1? player might rise to the ceiling
19:07 paramat and maybe walk on the ceiling on it's head
19:07 Shara paramat: will try thanks :)
19:29 Wayward_One hi all :)
19:34 Hijiri someone registered minetest.moe
19:37 red-003 did someone get the free domains as well?
19:41 Calinou minetest.sexy
20:28 benrob0329 red--
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21:07 red-002 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vne​Vi-0dODZvg0KMjAbIbp3EMvlOwb8x8sjLRAxF​fRRvS7c2nAf4L-ZPU-480Eq-4mD2=h900-rw
21:08 red-002 seen on an uncredited version of minetest in the app store
21:10 rubenwardy lol
21:10 rubenwardy please may a moderator move this to offtopic? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php​?f=5&amp;t=17576&amp;view=unread#unread
21:10 rubenwardy it has no place in 'Feature Discussion'
21:11 red-002 do meta post belong in general?
21:11 red-002 posts*
21:12 rubenwardy it has the quality of an offtopic post, so should be there
21:13 red-002 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.​php?f=3&amp;t=17508&amp;view=viewpoll
21:14 rubenwardy heh
21:15 rubenwardy that's basically offtopic
21:15 red-002 whats with android forks and using google drive as a hosting service
21:22 red-002 lol looking at the lua code of one of these "forks" and it seems someone took serious offence to the existence of a settings menu
21:24 Hijiri did they put insults in comments
21:25 red-002 --          core.debug("MAINSCUM *U*K THIS SHIT, BTN_SETTINGS")
21:25 red-002 censored by me
21:26 Fixer nice
21:26 Fixer at least it is not a suicide
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21:35 nerzhul red-002, lol
21:35 Fixer what is mainscum?
21:41 Hijiri the primary evil
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22:40 red-002 I assume main refers to main menu but honestly I don't know
22:46 red-002 oh neat
22:46 red-002 https://play.google.com/store​/apps/developer?id=MG17+Games
22:46 red-002 the only thing this developer does it release illegal copies of minetest
22:48 red-002 looks like the business model is
22:48 red-002 1. find new map
22:48 red-002 2. get it to kinda work
22:48 red-002 3. ads?
22:48 red-002 4. profit
22:49 rubenwardy yep
22:51 red-002 well at least it's only singleplayer
22:53 Shara I find it funny how the screenshots on some of them have lots of unknown nodes :)
22:54 benrob0329 Can I barch report someone for IP infringement?
22:55 red-002 Shara, see step 2
22:55 benrob0329 Not only is it stolen content (maps aren't automatically free!) But the game itself it licensed illegally
22:55 Shara I know. Still amusing :)
22:56 benrob0329 I just...want to slap some people and say "What is wrong with you?"
22:56 rubenwardy is it definitely IP infringement?
22:57 rubenwardy ie: do they not give source at all
22:57 Shara benrob0329: people will do whatever for easy money.
22:57 red-002 well I didn't try to run the game
22:57 red-002 but they don't seem to add it to the description
22:58 rubenwardy do they mention it in the main menu?
22:59 red-002 I looked at the main menu source code and it seems to be a no but I might have missed it
22:59 red-002 I will try installing the apk tomorrow
22:59 benrob0329 I legit just flagged evetything of his/her's for ip infringement
23:01 rubenwardy :P
23:02 red-002 looks like they also removed the credits tab but even if the didn't that still links to minetest.net
23:02 rubenwardy we need to have a resource which links to all minetest clones on the play store
23:02 rubenwardy and whether they attribute
23:02 rubenwardy sorry, follow the source
23:02 rubenwardy *license
23:02 rubenwardy they we can go through and send emails to the developer
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23:07 benrob0329 (Kek) https://vid.me/mNI4
23:07 rubenwardy I'd like to ask that know one takes any action on any infringing apps
23:07 rubenwardy especially aggressive actions
23:07 rubenwardy you should just report it
23:07 rubenwardy to us, that is
23:08 benrob0329 Ok
23:08 benrob0329 Will do
23:08 red-002 https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai​ls?id=freeWorld.blockcraft.pocketedition
23:08 red-002 someone should tell them
23:11 paramat 'blox craft' uh great name. at least the world is not 'near-infinite' though
23:15 Fixer my current base: https://i.imgur.com/ic45cSW.png
23:16 garywhite Hey everyone, Amazon has the Pi 3 rn for under 40 bucks
23:19 benrob0329 isn't it suppised to be $35?
23:33 rubenwardy all Minetest apps with ads are infringing, probably
23:33 rubenwardy as you need to license as LGPL
23:33 rubenwardy and you cannot do that if you use ad code in LGPL code
23:33 rubenwardy so you need to use Minetest as a library
23:34 rubenwardy and call the ad code from a proprietary Java wrapper
23:34 rubenwardy however, LGPL requires that the user can replace the LGPL code
23:41 rubenwardy http://wiki.minetest.net/Licens​ing#Complying_with_the_License
23:41 rubenwardy celeron55, sofar ^
23:41 rubenwardy from reading the license source, and from googling

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