Time Nick Message 00:48 paramat how i feel (SFW) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/93/3c/aa/933caa58b91eee0c7f33bd91a9cb6e40.png 02:18 benrob0329 kaeza: do you use Gentoo? 02:19 kaeza no, I use MSDOS 6.22 02:20 benrob0329 Kek 02:20 kaeza also LUbuntu 16.04 02:21 benrob0329 ehh..id rather not use a *buntu 02:21 kaeza why not? 02:21 kaeza It Just Works™ 02:21 benrob0329 I mean they work, but its just not my taste with the way things are set up 02:22 benrob0329 Some software is years out of date, for example 02:22 kaeza that much is true 02:23 kaeza you can get a more recent version in some PPA somewhere, though 02:23 benrob0329 Gentoo is like, the one distro I haven't at least tried to install 02:23 kaeza most of the time 02:23 benrob0329 Yes, but they aren't always guaranteed to work 02:23 benrob0329 And can infect your whole system 02:24 benrob0329 /break other ppas 03:20 benrob0329 ok, i was just convinced to use slackware 07:39 tenplus1 hi folks 07:47 shivajiva morning tenplus1, hello everyone o/ 07:47 tenplus1 hi shiva :P 07:48 shivajiva read -dev logs yet? 07:48 tenplus1 no, what happened ? 07:49 tenplus1 I did read git and know that ppl have flipped and are now gonna enable TNT by default in singleplayer and networking, fire spread also... 07:51 tenplus1 ooh, collisionbox changes not being reverted ?? 07:53 shivajiva not sure really but paramat was berated whilst not present, it wasn't pretty, starting to wonder about this place 07:54 tenplus1 thats why I talk in here... -dev doesnt have the same vibe about it 07:54 tenplus1 havent got to the berating bit yet... am at 15:26 07:57 tenplus1 which day did it appear on ? am searching for your name and not finding it 07:57 shivajiva reminded me of the school yard, not so much a discussion as a flex 07:58 shivajiva oh my name isn't in the discussion 07:58 shivajiva look for killbith 07:58 tenplus1 woah, I just read something am kinda shocked at... "this fuzz about paramat" 07:58 tenplus1 and the following lines ?!?!?! 07:59 shivajiva ah you found it 07:59 tenplus1 why is that in channel ? 08:00 shivajiva I have no idea why 08:00 tenplus1 o.O 08:01 shivajiva not much respect round here unless your a coding god 08:01 tenplus1 everyone has a part to play in Minetest's development, not just programmers 08:02 tenplus1 mod makers and players themselves spot many things that are either buggy or could be better improved 08:02 tenplus1 it's a community dammit!! why does anyone feel superior to anyone else here 08:02 tenplus1 this is the one thing we use to excel over minecraft was the fact we were a great community 08:04 shivajiva seems we have some structure missing and consensus 08:07 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 has so many FOR than AGAINST, why is it not being pushed through as a wanted/needed option 08:08 Calinou hi 08:08 tenplus1 hi Cal 08:08 shivajiva hi Cal :) 08:09 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1694 08:12 shivajiva afaik sofar is vehemently against it as he pushed the tnt change due to this pr 08:12 tenplus1 I'm all for protecting noob servers by default and having them change a setting to enable tnt and fire spreading IF REQUIRED 08:14 shivajiva but kids might not be able to enable it apparently 08:15 tenplus1 the settings button is there, the search file will let them type "tnt" or "fire" to simply double click and enable if wanted 08:15 shivajiva they are expected to be able to disable it if required though 08:16 shivajiva 2 sides of the same blade but lets present the sharp edge 08:16 tenplus1 it's a lot easier to enable 2 settings than it is to replace buildings blown up by griefers and replace a forest due to wildfire 08:17 shivajiva doesn't take a genius to figure that one out but here we are... 08:18 tenplus1 it's not that these server owners are being lazy, it's just better to protect it from the get go, and we know they wont read guides or wiki's by default unless there's an issue 08:21 shivajiva agreed for some people it's their first server and they are on the steep part of the curve trying to take it all in and manage, fire grief is just an added bonus layered on top for them 08:22 tenplus1 and more knowledged owners can easily turn these things on if wanted within seconds... 08:22 shivajiva the action of enabling it means consequences 08:23 shivajiva so there is a thought process 08:23 shivajiva unlike the current setup 08:23 tenplus1 yup yup +100 agree 08:24 shivajiva that logic seems to have escaped common sense 08:25 tenplus1 also I like the new setting to disable lava cooling :))) 08:26 shivajiva yes :) 08:26 Shara I really liked Calinou suggestion for the fire PR, but apparently MTG devs aren't even going to reply about it. 08:26 tenplus1 hi Shara :P 08:27 Shara sofar seemed to think the PR is not worth talking about more because they'll split MTG and maybe not work on MTG anymore after next version anyway. 08:27 Shara Hi all :P 08:28 tenplus1 if it helps in the here and now ready for 0.4.15 then add it, give players the features they want/need 08:28 tenplus1 and THEN work on a better implementation for the next big release 08:28 shivajiva ^ 08:29 Shara I actually regret opening it, since it might mean TNT changes too, and that would be bad 08:29 Shara Server owners who don't follow everything like we do will update and suddenly their players have tnt 08:30 shivajiva don't regret it Shara it's exposed a flaw in the process for us to scrutinise 08:31 shivajiva not that we have any right to scrutinise as lowly server owners and modders 08:31 tenplus1 lol 08:33 shivajiva what can I say, that's how it feels sometimes 08:34 tenplus1 we're all in this together, and like I said earlier... no-one is better than anyone else 08:34 tenplus1 and shouldnt be made to feel that way 08:34 Shara edited my comment there just now with more thoughts. 08:34 tenplus1 the fire pull ? 08:34 celeron55 i don't think any of this is as bad as some think, on neither side 08:35 shivajiva Hi c55, was hoping you'd chip in 08:35 tenplus1 hi celeron 08:36 celeron55 hi 8) 08:38 shivajiva what's your take on the events c55, I'd like to hear your perspective 08:38 tenplus1 better description shara 08:38 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 08:44 tenplus1 I wouldnt add a new setting at all andif possible remove the old 'disable_fire' setting completely and keep the current 'enable_fire' one 08:44 tenplus1 if #1693 is added then this would be a lot easier to handle for all involved and would save a lot of grief and hassle 08:45 Calinou btw, about player damage flash, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5739#issuecomment-300416455 08:45 Calinou it's a bit wonky but there's no bugs 08:46 tenplus1 I've seen this bug on Xanadu... players hit many times turn white and it doesnt go away unless they sign out and back in again 08:47 tenplus1 I removed the hit flash in mobs because it was annoying and would rather have knockback show physical hits instead of a flash 08:49 Shara Got to go anyway. If anyone has thoughts, will check tonight 08:49 tenplus1 laters 08:55 celeron55 shivajiva: some people having a bad day, programmers being pedantic, mtg not knowing where it wants to go... it's all there 08:56 CWz what control the distance that entities can be seen 08:56 tenplus1 how easy would it be to allow players to disable mods inside a mt[game]... that way you could include a full game with minetest and let server owners disable what they dont need to a minimal base 08:56 CWz which setting that is 08:57 tenplus1 hi CWz 08:58 tenplus1 active_block_range = 2 08:58 tenplus1 active_object_send_range_blocks = 2 08:58 celeron55 can subgame mods be disabled currently by enabling an empty mod of the same name? 08:59 tenplus1 yes 08:59 tenplus1 that's how I override default mods in Xanadu 08:59 tenplus1 but having an option to disable builtin mods to leave a base game would save including a minimal version... and be a lot handier for server owners 08:59 Zeno` tenplus1, just out of curiosity... do you use world/worldmods/ 09:00 Zeno` or do you have mods in some other location and enable them using world.mt? 09:00 tenplus1 no, I use mods folder 09:00 Zeno` k 09:00 celeron55 in any case of course an option to disable mods would be possible; of course depends on whether it's thought to be worth the complexity 09:00 Zeno` that's fine... I was just wondering (personal survey hehehe) 09:00 tenplus1 I have an empty folder for xpanes that stops default loading... 09:01 tenplus1 needs an empty init.lua as well me thinks 09:01 celeron55 (if there's no UI and nothing fancy, might be just tens of lines of code) 09:03 shivajiva without the empty init.lua it won't load I suspect 09:03 tenplus1 yeh, needs something to override with 09:04 celeron55 that could be implemented on the game's side of course, like checking in every mod whether a setting like "minimal_base_game" is set and skipping the content if so 09:04 celeron55 (every non-base mod) 09:04 shivajiva Zeno: I use world/worldmods on remote and mods folder for local 09:40 tenplus1 Question: Does having functions inside an entity make then run faster than external local functions ??? 09:43 kaeza no 09:43 tenplus1 thanks, and hi :) 09:44 kaeza greetings, tenplus1 09:44 kaeza local functions are as fast as you get 09:44 tenplus1 I take it when registering an entity any local functions it uses are copied inside the entity for use anyhoo? 09:45 kaeza eh, what is "inside the entity" in this context? 09:45 tenplus1 e.g. if I make a mob with it's on_punch pointing to a local function, it copies that function inside the entity to run... or does it call it locally every time ? 09:54 tenplus1 lol, no worries... am just wondering if it uses more memory per entity if I include a function or use a local 10:32 kaeza the memory use should be negligible 10:32 tenplus1 :) 10:33 kaeza and there's no difference in performance in your case 10:33 tenplus1 thanks dude :P 10:33 kaeza so just use whatever's more readable 10:34 tenplus1 am always trying to find ways to increase performance vs memory usage 10:34 kaeza start by not doing everything every damn step :P 10:34 tenplus1 thankfully I have timers in there just for that :)))) 10:35 kaeza you already do that, don't you? 10:35 kaeza ah 10:35 tenplus1 builtin_item has timers now which work really well :D 10:47 tenplus1 github.com/tenplus1/builtin_item 10:49 tenplus1 hi fixer 10:53 Fixer hi 10:54 tenplus1 o.O am watching a youtube vid about ppl who still believe in a flat earth ?!?!?!?! seriously 11:01 tenplus1 h Jordach 11:01 tenplus1 *hi 11:01 Jordach meow 11:07 shivajiva seems it's a popular belief where people mistrust the state to tell them the truth 11:08 tenplus1 its as if they simply throw science out of the window though... 11:09 tenplus1 hi Darcidride_ 11:11 kaeza I believe in turtles 11:11 kaeza and ponies 11:12 shivajiva not spaghetti monsters? 11:12 kaeza that too 11:12 tenplus1 ehehe 11:12 shivajiva =) 11:16 Jordach lmfao 11:16 Jordach so the Saints Row devs got bored and made another Saints Row game 11:16 tenplus1 really ? 11:16 Jordach that isn't part of the Saints Row line 11:16 Jordach http://store.steampowered.com/app/304530/Agents_of_Mayhem/ 11:16 tenplus1 gawd 11:17 Jordach they really can't keep their fingers out of that jar 11:18 tenplus1 back laters :) 11:45 Darcidride_ Hi tenplus1 and everybody 11:47 shivajiva o/ 12:18 shivajiva knockback is running on skyblocks using tenplus1's code, if anyone wants to check it out feel free to ask for a kb stick, it's currently pushing you back ~7 nodes so it needs adjusting slightly 12:18 tenplus1 hi folks 12:18 red-001 hi 12:19 shivajiva o/ 12:19 tenplus1 hi red :) shiva 12:22 shivajiva I tried damage *3 on the velocity and got 7 nodes tenplus1 12:23 shivajiva just a little bit to much 12:23 tenplus1 lol... I left it at x2... seems to work in playerplus with single.network changes 12:24 shivajiva yea it's getting changed back to 2 12:24 tenplus1 latest version of flash plugin doesnt seem to work properly with FF... 12:25 shivajiva FF is going downhill especially the windows version imo 12:26 tenplus1 only reason I kept it was for gflash... if that dont work am moving to chromium 12:32 tenplus1 got it working... have a pappi->napi converter to run pepperflash in ff 12:42 tenplus1 hi nathan 12:43 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 12:44 tenplus1 shivajiva: strangely pappi flash runs a lot smoother than napi flash ??!?! 12:49 Calinou rip in pepperapi 12:49 tenplus1 ehehe 12:49 Calinou :D 12:49 tenplus1 flash is losing ground to html5 12:53 Calinou yeah 12:53 Calinou 29% of people don't have Flash right now, and it is growing 12:53 Calinou (on desktop, I think) 12:53 Calinou often, Windows does not come with it anymore 12:53 Calinou (that is, OEM installs) 12:54 tenplus1 I mostly use it for games... any video formats quickly moved to vpn or html5 codecs 12:55 tenplus1 http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/465949 <-- one of my favs 12:59 tenplus1 hi sniper 13:13 tenplus1 wb rubenwardy 13:13 CWz rip flash 13:13 tenplus1 lol, hi CWz 13:17 tenplus1 we need 'dis: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 13:18 rubenwardy hi rubenwardy 13:18 tenplus1 lol, didnt you see my wb rubenwardy :PPP 13:18 rubenwardy oops 13:18 tenplus1 ehehehehehe 13:18 rubenwardy brain fart 13:18 rubenwardy * hi tenplus1 13:18 tenplus1 das ok, is one of those wednesdays 13:19 rubenwardy I was going to type that, but I saw "rubenwardy" whilst typing 13:19 tenplus1 can we add #1693 , #1731 and #1732 already 13:20 tenplus1 :) 13:23 tenplus1 hi octacian 13:24 octacian hey tenplus1 13:25 tenplus1 http://i.imgur.com/C1HaL9W.mp4 14:07 benrob0329 Hello all 14:07 tenplus1 hi benrob 14:09 benrob0329 tenplus1: that is what it feels like, isn't it? 14:09 tenplus1 hi robbie 14:09 benrob0329 Hi RobbieF 14:09 tenplus1 ben ? 14:09 RobbieF Hi benrob0329 and tenplus1! 14:09 benrob0329 tenplus1: the gif you posted 14:10 benrob0329 RobbieF: what's up? 14:10 tenplus1 oh themovie... ehehe, that was 40 mins ago... eheheh 14:10 RobbieF mmm, not much. just working. Nothing overly exciting today. 14:10 RobbieF you? 14:11 benrob0329 Given up on FreeBSS 14:11 benrob0329 *D 14:11 tenplus1 aw, what happened ? 14:11 benrob0329 Just...hmm... 14:11 benrob0329 Many things 14:11 benrob0329 Like, the nvidia driver wont let me switch ttys 14:12 tenplus1 ouch, that one sucks 14:12 tenplus1 dunno how many times I've used that 14:12 benrob0329 If I do, it freaks out and shuts off the screen 14:12 tenplus1 buuuuuUUUUUUu 14:12 tenplus1 *shakes fist at FreeBSD* 14:13 benrob0329 but its not even there fault 14:13 benrob0329 The nvidia driver is proprietary 14:13 tenplus1 did noveau work ? 14:13 benrob0329 not ported :-( 14:14 benrob0329 Only nv 14:14 tenplus1 and nv is only 2d... damn! 14:14 Calinou I think benrob0329 meant Nouveau 14:14 Calinou or NVIDIA driver 14:14 Calinou "nv" refers to an old, official and open source NVIDIA driver, but it did only 2D 14:14 Calinou they deprecated it around 2012 officially, but it was unmaintained way before 14:14 benrob0329 That is exactly what I mean Calinou 14:14 benrob0329 nv 14:15 tenplus1 driver support isnt that great for gfx in bsd... 14:15 Calinou it's terrible 14:15 Calinou only NVIDIA releases a driver 14:15 Calinou the open source drivers are backported every 2 years or so 14:15 Calinou then nobody cares about them 14:15 benrob0329 but...official nvidia support 14:16 benrob0329 And it still didn't work right 14:16 benrob0329 Ttys at least 14:16 tenplus1 I really wish that nvidia/ati would work on the hardware and have open-0source drivers for linux 14:16 Calinou AMD has official-ish open source drivers now 14:16 Calinou but NVIDIA will never do that 14:16 benrob0329 I get 60 fps in mt though 14:16 benrob0329 AMD had stuff merged into mesa 14:17 benrob0329 So yeah...amd is trying to save the company I feel 14:17 tenplus1 the open-source radeon/ati driver is a lot better than nvidia's own os one 14:17 benrob0329 Anyways 14:18 Calinou AMD's hardware is technically worse, so they have to find other things 14:18 Calinou (it's been proven many times) 14:18 Calinou (even back in the Kepler era, this was true) 14:18 benrob0329 Someone told me that Slackware was good, and the most Unix like out of any distro 14:18 Calinou tenplus1: NVIDIA has no official open source driver, Nouveau is entirely unofficial 14:18 Calinou the only patches/documentation NVIDIA did or provided were for ARM devboards 14:18 Calinou never for consumer GPUs 14:18 tenplus1 yeah, it works but a little glitchy 14:18 Calinou they also don't release the firmware of latest GPUs, so there's no 3D acceleration on them, or no reclocking 14:19 Calinou (probably intentionally) 14:19 Calinou (you need signed firmware as of Maxwell 2° 14:19 tenplus1 noveau has 3d accel and clock settings 14:19 Calinou you can't reclock all GPUs yet 14:20 benrob0329 Funnily enough, Blender Cycles via AMD OpenCL was running faster than Nvidia in dev I heard 14:20 tenplus1 ehehe nice 14:20 Calinou there's no GPU where reclocking is enabled and automatic out of the box right now, IIRC 14:20 Calinou Pascal has no reclocking at all whatosever, even on a Git kernel 14:20 Calinou benrob0329: NVIDIA cripples OpenCL speed, not sure if it's done in software or hardware 14:20 Calinou so that CUDA is always faster, it'll be faster than AMD OpenCL in most cases 14:21 benrob0329 no like, amd opencl got a huge boost 14:21 benrob0329 In cycles 14:21 benrob0329 But yeah, that's just sad 14:23 benrob0329 I think I agree with Linus Torvalds when it comes to nvidia 14:23 tenplus1 make it open source ? 14:23 tenplus1 or his famous "F*** Nvidia" quote ? 14:23 benrob0329 "Nvidia, f$*@ you." 14:27 Calinou hmm, DuckDuckGo is fooling with me 14:27 Calinou had to disable safe search to get images 14:27 Calinou http://osworld.pl/wp-content/uploads/Linus-Torvalds-nvidia-fuck-you.jpg 14:27 benrob0329 Omw I just got the best quote of the week 14:28 benrob0329 "f**k, accidently put startx in my .xinitrc" 14:28 benrob0329 Censoring by me, to.make it sfw 14:29 Calinou swearing is not necessarily not safe for work :P 14:31 benrob0329 true 14:47 Calinou Use the Best: Linux for Servers, Mac for Graphics, Windows for Solitaire 14:47 Calinou :D 14:47 tenplus1 ahahhaaha 14:49 RobbieF NEMS 1.2 is now available via bittorrent, if anyone would like to seed to support the project - http://baldnerd.com/nems/#download 14:49 Calinou hi RobbieF 14:50 RobbieF Hey Calinou! How you been? 14:50 Calinou not sure if I can seed stuff off my VPS, last time I did it, I got my VPS suspended after ~5 weeks because of high load average 14:50 Calinou (but I got it unsuspended without fee) 14:50 Calinou my VPS could seed at 5 MB/s or so 24/7 though 14:50 RobbieF load average was high from a torrent?! 14:50 Calinou having many torrents active causes tons of IO 14:51 Calinou at least when I used rtorrent + ruTorrent 14:51 RobbieF ouch 14:51 RobbieF :p 14:51 tenplus1 unless you use Qbittorrent... has a memory cache for download.seeding :DDD 14:51 Calinou if it's just a few it might be ok 14:51 Calinou tenplus1: this is a server, so no qBittorrent 14:51 Calinou I'm aware it has a CLI mode and web interface, but it's meh 14:51 tenplus1 buuuuuuuuuu 14:51 Calinou ruTorrent is far better 14:51 RobbieF well, this torrent should be pretty lightweight if you'd like to try. Feel free to throttle it. It's really just to have some redundancy out there in case my seed goes down for some reason 14:51 RobbieF I'm seeding via Transmission-CLI 14:51 Calinou https://github.com/Novik/ruTorrent 14:51 RobbieF :D 14:52 benrob0329 RobbieF: what is nems? 14:52 Calinou Japanese food? :P 14:52 RobbieF Nagios for Raspberry Pi 14:52 RobbieF drop in, ready to run out of the box 14:52 RobbieF ^^ benrob0329 14:52 tenplus1 isnt rutorrent a pain to setup tho, and no blocklist 14:52 benrob0329 Ah...I have no idea what that it :P 14:53 benrob0329 *is 14:53 RobbieF A system that monitors all your network assets. For example, if a hard drive is failing in one of your computers, or there's high CPU load on another, it'll warn you. 14:53 tenplus1 good for when you arent around :PP 14:53 RobbieF commonly used in enterprise networks, but a beast to set up. So I did all the work and released it as a ready-to-use appliance for free. 14:54 tenplus1 wb fixer 14:54 Fixer ty 14:54 benrob0329 RobbieF: ah, that's pretty neat 14:55 benrob0329 Hi Fixer 14:56 Fixer hi 15:01 RobbieF thanks benrob0329 15:01 RobbieF It really is an awesome project. I'm glad to be doing it and offering something so needed to the community. 15:08 Fixer finally 15:08 tenplus1 ? 15:09 Fixer MC modded start up time is abysmal 15:09 tenplus1 how long ? 15:09 Fixer FTB beyond + optifine 15:09 Fixer like 3-5 minutes... or so 15:09 Fixer mem usage: 5 gb 15:09 tenplus1 erk, that's bad for a full payable game 15:09 * tenplus1 will stick with Minetest 15:09 Fixer 5.5gb* 15:10 Fixer 4gb is minimum recommended just for game 15:11 tenplus1 no wonder my net-top almost died when I ran the demo 15:11 Fixer ftb beyond runs much better than foolcraft on my pc 15:42 garywhite net-top? 15:42 tenplus1 hi gary 15:42 garywhite hi 15:43 tenplus1 http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2010/09/acer-aspire-revo-ars3700-02.jpg 15:43 garywhite Ah, I see. 15:48 tenplus1 that's my everyday computer :) love it 16:15 Jordach_ Fixer, FoamFix 16:21 Sokomine hi. disabling smooth lighting does seem to leave me with nodes that are nodeboxes in black... 16:21 tenplus1 hi Sokomine 16:22 tenplus1 which one's ? 16:22 Sokomine fixer: even the normal mc doesn't really run on my machine. at least the last time i tried 16:22 Fixer Jordach_: it is included 16:22 Fixer Sokomine: dinosaur era PC 16:23 Sokomine Fixer: no. just no extra graphics card. memory would not be the problem 16:23 Fixer Sokomine: you need extra graphics card 16:23 tenplus1 mc is quite heavy in resources 16:28 Jordach_ Fixer, run it again 16:28 Jordach_ FoamFix builds a cache to speed up loading dramatically 16:42 Krock hi tenplus1 16:46 tenplus1 hey Krock, how's things :) 16:46 Krock all ok :) 16:47 tenplus1 kewl... 17:02 tenplus1 * Krock Clone Alert!! * 17:03 Krock clone removed 17:03 tenplus1 can we get your john hancock on this krock: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 17:03 tenplus1 oh wait... my bad, you posted neutral... never noticed that one... ehe 17:25 Shara Hi all 17:26 tenplus1 hi Shara 17:27 benrob0329 hi Shara 17:33 tenplus1 wb benrob 17:38 benrob0329 I've been here for a while, I have a weechat server 17:39 tenplus1 weechat sounds cute :P 17:53 tenplus1 hi ssieb 17:54 ssieb hi 17:55 Shara Hello ssieb 17:56 benrob0329 Updated my bios, system is much happier now 17:57 tenplus1 nice :P 17:57 tenplus1 dunno if they even support my mobo anymore :P 17:59 benrob0329 Yeah, my whole system started acting wierd 17:59 tenplus1 what Os were you using at the time ? 17:59 benrob0329 couldn't get into efi config without resetting the cmos 18:00 benrob0329 Things are working much better now though :-) 18:00 tenplus1 owwie... I dont like efi, too much hassle 18:00 benrob0329 Its not bad actually 18:00 tenplus1 am reading about the new Windows 10 S update... sounds like a nightmare 18:01 benrob0329 Make a fat32 partition, install grub 18:01 benrob0329 Point grub to init image 18:07 tenplus1 damn, Win10S will only let you install software from it's own app store, and uses Bing everywhere 18:07 tenplus1 wb Krock 18:08 Krock ty 18:08 tenplus1 *shudder* that update sounds like disaster waiting to happen 18:08 Krock so.. my USB wireless drive is now completely wiped 18:08 tenplus1 on purpose or it just happened ? 18:08 benrob0329 Is that good or bad? 18:09 Krock good that I know that it wasn't the internet being crap, bad that I won't be use it anymore 18:09 Krock it kept overheating 18:09 tenplus1 ??? 18:09 Krock most likely desoldered itself a bit 18:10 Krock at least it worked for about 6 years :) 18:10 tenplus1 least you got it's worth 18:11 Krock indeed. using my wireless PCI card now. had to steal it from another computer case 18:11 Krock and if this one fails, I'll still have the one from my RPI :3 18:12 Krock so, internet worst-case plans are there 18:12 tenplus1 dont worry, they sell N standard usb wireless dongles at the pound stores :) 18:12 Krock I know, they're very cheap. Will look out for a new one soon :) 18:14 tenplus1 hi nrz 18:14 nerzhul hi 18:15 nerzhul private meta are now merged, please update your mods to use it and make more private data :) 18:15 tenplus1 what's the diff ? 18:19 Krock these meta fields aren't sent to the clients 18:20 Krock i.e. allows creating secret keys in meta without leaking data 18:20 tenplus1 ahh, so only server can read the contents... gotcha 18:20 Krock exactly 18:28 * tenplus1 orders another sodimm for his net-top to bring it up to 4gb :D 18:39 Fixer tenplus1: sodimm? hmmm, feels 199X 18:39 tenplus1 ehehe, sadly it can only take 2x 2gb sodimm's so I kinda felt like I needed to add another 19:35 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1693 19:38 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1694 19:38 tenplus1 would a few of the devs kindly check those pulls... they need to be agree'd on 19:46 tenplus1 http://bcdn.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/venn.jpg 19:56 Sokomine Fixer: don't want extra graphics card. it would increase noise and power consumption. i better stick with mt - that works fine on my machine :-) 19:56 tenplus1 +100 19:56 Fixer Sokomine: i can only imagine how it works... 19:57 Shara I'd just be happy with actual answers to questions asked about the PR. 19:58 Shara But instead of looking at a way to make everyone happy... 20:01 tenplus1 http://bcdn.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/memories.jpg 20:02 Shara heh 20:03 Calinou :) 20:05 tenplus1 http://bcdn.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vader-gates.jpg 20:19 benrob0329 Why can't people have A) clear documentation or B) a straight foreword instal process 20:19 benrob0329 Like, I don't know the ins and outs of your system 20:19 benrob0329 How am I supposed to know when to do __ if its not stated anywhere? 20:19 tenplus1 most ppl dont read the docs so an install with optimized settings to protect user is best option 20:20 tenplus1 also, would be nice if craftguide was included in default in some form 20:20 Shara benrob0329: Based on when I used to work on creating software documentation - it's because they give the writer ten minutes to look at the software which is being used by someone else, and then there is no one you can ask questions of after that :D 20:21 Shara either that, or because they outsource the task to someone who can't really handle english, never mind technical documentation. 20:21 benrob0329 Im trying to install slackware, and whilst the install should have gone smoothly 20:22 benrob0329 except the uefi documentation is about as slacking as the package manager 20:22 tenplus1 erk... 20:22 benrob0329 Efi isn't hard, you just have to tell me how you have the setup progran setup! 20:22 tenplus1 that's why I prefer an ubuntu-based distro cause ubiquity handles many things for you 20:23 benrob0329 Arch is easier than some of the nonsense I've seen lately 20:23 benrob0329 Granted, arch isn't hard 20:26 ssieb Fedora! 20:27 tenplus1 lol, tried it... didnt like it so much 20:27 benrob0329 Fedora...its not bad 20:27 benrob0329 But its not great eithet 20:27 benrob0329 *r 20:27 tenplus1 I do however like that they have gone wayland :D 20:28 benrob0329 Wayland has been available in Arch and Gentoo for a while now, so they are not the only distro to have done so 20:28 benrob0329 Perhaps I should go with Gentoo, as the documentation seems superb 20:29 benrob0329 And it'll teach me more about the system 21:06 benrob0329 red++ 21:19 tenplus1 nite all 21:25 Fixer PROCRASTINATION 21:25 Fixer i have problems with designing my base 21:26 nerzhul database N 21:27 Fixer current situation: https://i.imgur.com/Ap6SqlK.jpg 21:28 Fixer will add fountain, mini footbal field/or tennis field, few places for viewing 21:29 Fixer mini lake 21:29 Fixer fucking great idea 21:30 Fixer i'm afking with my idle acc with debug on server, still no crash that i really want to catch before release 21:30 nerzhul https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5719 is nice no ? vote vote :D 21:31 Fixer nerzhul: it does look nice 21:32 Fixer nerzhul: less debuggy feel 21:32 Fixer which is good 21:32 nerzhul Fixer, yeah :D 21:32 Fixer less alpha feel** :trollface: 21:35 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/aJfnqC7.png 21:35 Fixer not sure if troll 21:35 benrob0329 nerzhul: I +1ed it :-)