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MTDiscord |
<mistere_123> Probably, at this point, there will be a 2-month combined post |
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MTDiscord |
<mistere_123> I certainly wouldn't mind help with the blog. Post PRs are welcome indeed. |
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MTDiscord |
<mistere_123> Other site-related PRs are not unwelcome but tend to sit |
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servantofTestato |
Hey I don't know where to report this or what to do. I just found out someone is selling minetest engine 5.2 on the microsoft store for 3.49$ usd. How to do something about this? |
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servantofTestato |
I only found this out because I told some very tech illiterate person to download minetest and that's what they found. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/minetest-52/9NZ5P9FHDG1M?rtc=1 |
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hare_hare_yukai |
Release date |
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hare_hare_yukai |
7/15/2020 |
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muurkha |
servantofTestato: selling the Minetest engine is legal under its license (and indeed under any open-source license) |
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hare_hare_yukai |
what a genius |
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hare_hare_yukai |
$3.69 |
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hare_hare_yukai |
69 iq moment |
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muurkha |
if you want to do something about it, you could try selling the Minetest engine on the Microsoft store for US$0.49 instead |
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muurkha |
the problem of people trusting recommendations from Microsoft instead of their local Linux User Group is a social problem, not a legal one |
| 04:46 |
muurkha |
other than asking them if they've accepted the beautiful gift of Linux into their heart I don't know what you can do about it |
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servantofTestato |
Well it ended up with the person not downloading minetest or trying it out |
| 04:53 |
servantofTestato |
also the CC attribution license of the media under the minetest repo is not able to be sold last I checked. Unless they stripped the assets out of minetest_game of 5.2 it would be illegal |
| 04:54 |
servantofTestato |
Or I could just be mistaken |
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muurkha |
Debian doesn't allow CC-NC media, so the version of Minetest I play is 100% able to be sold |
| 04:55 |
muurkha |
I mean Debian is 100% able to be sold, selling copies of Debian has been an important way to get it to people in the past |
| 04:56 |
servantofTestato |
Does debian ship minetest_game? |
| 04:56 |
muurkha |
yes |
| 04:57 |
muurkha |
it's in the package minetest-data |
| 04:58 |
muurkha |
version 5.6.1+dfsg+~1.9.0mt8+dfsg-2 which suggests that the Debian developers had to do some work to make it comply with the DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines) |
| 04:58 |
muurkha |
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/minetest-data |
| 04:59 |
muurkha |
it's possible that it might have some textures replaced with DFSG-compliant versions or something |
| 05:00 |
muurkha |
aha, there's a list of exclusions in /usr/share/doc/minetest-data/copyright, preceded by the heading: |
| 05:00 |
muurkha |
According to the main README file all Minetest textures and sounds are |
| 05:00 |
muurkha |
licensed under CC-BY-SA-3.0 with the notable exceptions below. |
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servantofTestato |
Right CC attribution 3.0 |
| 05:02 |
muurkha |
no, -SA is the "share alike" copyleft version |
| 05:02 |
muurkha |
oh, but the exclusions are licensed under more liberal licenses, not -NC or -ND |
| 05:03 |
muurkha |
MIT, CC-BY, CC0, Expat, zlib |
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muurkha |
ISC |
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lissobone |
`Linux' is for soyboys. |
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muurkha |
yay soyboys |
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nm0i |
Says he as he parts with emacs version... |
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hare_hare_yukai |
"IRC client for Emacs 27.1" |
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hare_hare_yukai |
uses autist program |
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hare_hare_yukai |
behaves like an autist |
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hare_hare_yukai |
>`Linux' is for soyboys. |
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hare_hare_yukai |
>leaves |
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mrkubax10 |
what |
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hare_hare_yukai |
what |
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jonadab |
Honestly, as long as it doesn't have some kind of technical problem added to it (e.g., malware), it's not really a problem. The people who find software in that venue rather than elsewhere, do so because they already have looking for software there first baked into their lifestyle. Obtaining MT that way does them no additional harm of any consequence. I mean, $3.69, but really, there are more |
| 12:43 |
jonadab |
upsetting things in the world than somebody wasting $3.69. |
| 12:46 |
jonadab |
To the extent that there's a meaningful problem, the problem is that the person has become so mired in Microsoft think that they go to the MS store first when they want to download some software. Which is a terrible idea from a security standpoint, regardless of financial or software-freedom issues. |
| 12:47 |
jonadab |
But the presence of the MT engine package in the store, is not responsible for that. |
| 12:54 |
rubenwardy |
Problem is more that it's misleading (they shouldn't be using our name) and that it's outdated |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
We've had a few people come into the Minetest community asking for a refund |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
Unfortunately, our only relief would be to file a trademark lawsuit. Thanks sfc |
| 12:59 |
erle |
that's what they said? |
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erle |
rubenwardy what about “selling it cheaper” but like, for real? |
| 13:00 |
erle |
like undercut them on pricing with a more current version |
| 13:00 |
rubenwardy |
#12605 |
| 13:00 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12605 -- Publish officially to the Microsoft Store |
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rubenwardy |
Which depends on #9166 |
| 13:02 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9166 -- Create official Windows releases with installers using GitHub CI |
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erle |
i see |
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MinetestBot |
[git] grorp -> minetest/minetest: Fix error when enabling texture packs (#13829) 4cf900c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/4cf900c779b0c3562d7c08318f1a69e1be08136c (2023-09-23T16:20:23Z) |
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PancakeLover100 |
welcome back I guess? |
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PancakeLover100 |
You know how in minecraft you put bonemeal in a dispenser and it makes plants grow |
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PancakeLover100 |
is there anyway to get this behavior in minetest? |
| 17:15 |
PancakeLover100 |
I didn't find any mods for it or anything |
| 17:16 |
PancakeLover100 |
Essentially I think I just want a block that can right click like the player |
| 17:16 |
PancakeLover100 |
Is there anything like this? |
| 17:19 |
PancakeLover100 |
Or maybe I should just find another way to build a tree farm... |
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calcul0n |
PancakeLover100, with pipeworks you can put bonemeal in a node breaker |
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calcul0n |
in fact you use bonemeal with a left click, which is what the breaker does |
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PancakeLover100 |
That is so simple |
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PancakeLover100 |
i feel ashamed for not knowing that |
| 18:05 |
PancakeLover100 |
imma try it |
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calcul0n |
yeah, took me a long time too :) |
| 18:07 |
PancakeLover100 |
it actually worked, thanks! |
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PancakeLover100 |
now comes the hard part |
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PancakeLover100 |
how to make a tree farm |
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PancakeLover100 |
I have a vague idea by using move floors, sticky blocks, breakers and lua controllers |
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PancakeLover100 |
Problem is i don't know how to send an arbitrary number of signals |
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PancakeLover100 |
Like how do I send 3 signals for example? |
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calcul0n |
just call digiline_send 3 times |
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PancakeLover100 |
hmm |
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calcul0n |
you can use interrupts when it becomes too much |
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PancakeLover100 |
interrupts keep going on and on |
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PancakeLover100 |
I'll I want to do is light up a port three times |
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PancakeLover100 |
I'll see what i can do with digiline_send |
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calcul0n |
oh, mesecon signals |
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PancakeLover100 |
yes |
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PancakeLover100 |
n number of mesecon signals, using a lua controller |
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calcul0n |
then port.a = not port.a + interrupt |
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calcul0n |
and a counter stored in mem |
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PancakeLover100 |
I'll see what I can come up with |
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calcul0n |
note if you have the technic mod you can put a chainsaw in another node breaker, that's much better for industrial production :) |
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PancakeLover100 |
does a chainsaw break the entire tree? |
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calcul0n |
yes if it's not too big |
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PancakeLover100 |
define too big |
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calcul0n |
huge trees from moretrees can't be cut entirely because the chainsaw will run out of power |
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PancakeLover100 |
like aspen trees? |
| 18:19 |
PancakeLover100 |
makes sense |
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PancakeLover100 |
unless u can keep charging it somehow! |
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calcul0n |
yep |
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PancakeLover100 |
also I thought node breakers don't "break" tools |
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PancakeLover100 |
is that different with chainsaws? |
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PancakeLover100 |
Guess I'll find out |
| 18:25 |
PancakeLover100 |
It's amazing how most of this stuff was right there under my nose |
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calcul0n |
the idea is node breakers simulate a left click with some tool in hand and deployers simulate a right click |
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PancakeLover100 |
I see |
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MTDiscord |
<recluse4615> sfan5, is there a license for the data provided at https://servers.minetest.net ? or is it considered public domain? |
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Krock |
@recluse4615 https://github.com/minetest/serverlist#license |
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MTDiscord |
<recluse4615> does the license also cover the data, not just the code? |
| 19:06 |
MTDiscord |
<recluse4615> ie the data here: https://servers.minetest.net/list |
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Krock |
that's pretty much public domain because it's the servers that more or less directly provide it |
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MTDiscord |
<recluse4615> that was my assumption (that it's public domain) but since there's no explicit mention of it anywhere (and i guess no one has asked before, at least that i can see haha) i wanted to double check |
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celeron55 |
that's kind of like asking what license the HTTP requests you're sending to servers when going on websites are under |
| 19:13 |
celeron55 |
but it's true that servers.minetest.net possibly could publish a data policy of some sort |
| 19:14 |
celeron55 |
to answer the question "what happens to data here and what are the allowed end uses of it" |
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MTDiscord |
<recluse4615> i don't think that comparison holds much weight, since there is a non-negligable amount of bandwidth, processing etc to collate & process the data, alongside serving it |
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PancakeLover100 |
This code is inside lua controller 1 |
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PancakeLover100 |
```if pin.d then\n digiline_send("main", "start")\n end``` |
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PancakeLover100 |
I cant even send it properly |
| 20:46 |
PancakeLover100 |
Now can I receive this using lua controller 2? |
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PancakeLover100 |
I'm using this for lua controller 2. https://pastebin.com/rc5idfhn |
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juninho |
hi |
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PancakeLover100 |
hey |
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PancakeLover100 |
and off he goes! |
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muurkha |
I asked GPT-4 how to write a Minetest mod: https://bin.gy/eniconceff |
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