Time Nick Message 03:05 MTDiscord Probably, at this point, there will be a 2-month combined post 03:06 MTDiscord I certainly wouldn't mind help with the blog. Post PRs are welcome indeed. 03:07 MTDiscord Other site-related PRs are not unwelcome but tend to sit 04:08 servantofTestato Hey I don't know where to report this or what to do. I just found out someone is selling minetest engine 5.2 on the microsoft store for 3.49$ usd. How to do something about this? 04:12 servantofTestato I only found this out because I told some very tech illiterate person to download minetest and that's what they found. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/minetest-52/9NZ5P9FHDG1M?rtc=1 04:42 hare_hare_yukai Release date 04:42 hare_hare_yukai 7/15/2020 04:42 muurkha servantofTestato: selling the Minetest engine is legal under its license (and indeed under any open-source license) 04:42 hare_hare_yukai what a genius 04:43 hare_hare_yukai $3.69 04:43 hare_hare_yukai 69 iq moment 04:44 muurkha if you want to do something about it, you could try selling the Minetest engine on the Microsoft store for US$0.49 instead 04:45 muurkha the problem of people trusting recommendations from Microsoft instead of their local Linux User Group is a social problem, not a legal one 04:46 muurkha other than asking them if they've accepted the beautiful gift of Linux into their heart I don't know what you can do about it 04:51 servantofTestato Well it ended up with the person not downloading minetest or trying it out 04:53 servantofTestato also the CC attribution license of the media under the minetest repo is not able to be sold last I checked. Unless they stripped the assets out of minetest_game of 5.2 it would be illegal 04:54 servantofTestato Or I could just be mistaken 04:55 muurkha Debian doesn't allow CC-NC media, so the version of Minetest I play is 100% able to be sold 04:55 muurkha I mean Debian is 100% able to be sold, selling copies of Debian has been an important way to get it to people in the past 04:56 servantofTestato Does debian ship minetest_game? 04:56 muurkha yes 04:57 muurkha it's in the package minetest-data 04:58 muurkha version 5.6.1+dfsg+~1.9.0mt8+dfsg-2 which suggests that the Debian developers had to do some work to make it comply with the DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines) 04:58 muurkha https://packages.debian.org/trixie/minetest-data 04:59 muurkha it's possible that it might have some textures replaced with DFSG-compliant versions or something 05:00 muurkha aha, there's a list of exclusions in /usr/share/doc/minetest-data/copyright, preceded by the heading: 05:00 muurkha According to the main README file all Minetest textures and sounds are 05:00 muurkha licensed under CC-BY-SA-3.0 with the notable exceptions below. 05:01 servantofTestato Right CC attribution 3.0 05:02 muurkha no, -SA is the "share alike" copyleft version 05:02 muurkha oh, but the exclusions are licensed under more liberal licenses, not -NC or -ND 05:03 muurkha MIT, CC-BY, CC0, Expat, zlib 05:03 muurkha ISC 05:53 lissobone `Linux' is for soyboys. 05:55 muurkha yay soyboys 06:11 nm0i Says he as he parts with emacs version... 08:47 hare_hare_yukai "IRC client for Emacs 27.1" 08:47 hare_hare_yukai uses autist program 08:47 hare_hare_yukai behaves like an autist 08:47 hare_hare_yukai >`Linux' is for soyboys. 08:48 hare_hare_yukai >leaves 09:09 mrkubax10 what 09:12 hare_hare_yukai what 12:43 jonadab Honestly, as long as it doesn't have some kind of technical problem added to it (e.g., malware), it's not really a problem. The people who find software in that venue rather than elsewhere, do so because they already have looking for software there first baked into their lifestyle. Obtaining MT that way does them no additional harm of any consequence. I mean, $3.69, but really, there are more 12:43 jonadab upsetting things in the world than somebody wasting $3.69. 12:46 jonadab To the extent that there's a meaningful problem, the problem is that the person has become so mired in Microsoft think that they go to the MS store first when they want to download some software. Which is a terrible idea from a security standpoint, regardless of financial or software-freedom issues. 12:47 jonadab But the presence of the MT engine package in the store, is not responsible for that. 12:54 rubenwardy Problem is more that it's misleading (they shouldn't be using our name) and that it's outdated 12:55 rubenwardy We've had a few people come into the Minetest community asking for a refund 12:55 rubenwardy Unfortunately, our only relief would be to file a trademark lawsuit. Thanks sfc 12:59 erle that's what they said? 12:59 erle rubenwardy what about “selling it cheaper” but like, for real? 13:00 erle like undercut them on pricing with a more current version 13:00 rubenwardy #12605 13:00 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12605 -- Publish officially to the Microsoft Store 13:02 rubenwardy Which depends on #9166 13:02 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9166 -- Create official Windows releases with installers using GitHub CI 13:06 erle i see 16:22 MinetestBot 02[git] 04grorp -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix error when enabling texture packs (#13829) 134cf900c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/4cf900c779b0c3562d7c08318f1a69e1be08136c (152023-09-23T16:20:23Z) 16:46 PancakeLover100 welcome back I guess? 17:15 PancakeLover100 You know how in minecraft you put bonemeal in a dispenser and it makes plants grow 17:15 PancakeLover100 is there anyway to get this behavior in minetest? 17:15 PancakeLover100 I didn't find any mods for it or anything 17:16 PancakeLover100 Essentially I think I just want a block that can right click like the player 17:16 PancakeLover100 Is there anything like this? 17:19 PancakeLover100 Or maybe I should just find another way to build a tree farm... 18:03 calcul0n PancakeLover100, with pipeworks you can put bonemeal in a node breaker 18:04 calcul0n in fact you use bonemeal with a left click, which is what the breaker does 18:04 PancakeLover100 That is so simple 18:04 PancakeLover100 i feel ashamed for not knowing that 18:05 PancakeLover100 imma try it 18:05 calcul0n yeah, took me a long time too :) 18:07 PancakeLover100 it actually worked, thanks! 18:07 PancakeLover100 now comes the hard part 18:07 PancakeLover100 how to make a tree farm 18:11 PancakeLover100 I have a vague idea by using move floors, sticky blocks, breakers and lua controllers 18:12 PancakeLover100 Problem is i don't know how to send an arbitrary number of signals 18:12 PancakeLover100 Like how do I send 3 signals for example? 18:12 calcul0n just call digiline_send 3 times 18:13 PancakeLover100 hmm 18:13 calcul0n you can use interrupts when it becomes too much 18:13 PancakeLover100 interrupts keep going on and on 18:13 PancakeLover100 I'll I want to do is light up a port three times 18:14 PancakeLover100 I'll see what i can do with digiline_send 18:14 calcul0n oh, mesecon signals 18:14 PancakeLover100 yes 18:14 PancakeLover100 n number of mesecon signals, using a lua controller 18:15 calcul0n then port.a = not port.a + interrupt 18:15 calcul0n and a counter stored in mem 18:16 PancakeLover100 I'll see what I can come up with 18:16 calcul0n note if you have the technic mod you can put a chainsaw in another node breaker, that's much better for industrial production :) 18:17 PancakeLover100 does a chainsaw break the entire tree? 18:18 calcul0n yes if it's not too big 18:18 PancakeLover100 define too big 18:18 calcul0n huge trees from moretrees can't be cut entirely because the chainsaw will run out of power 18:18 PancakeLover100 like aspen trees? 18:19 PancakeLover100 makes sense 18:19 PancakeLover100 unless u can keep charging it somehow! 18:19 calcul0n yep 18:23 PancakeLover100 also I thought node breakers don't "break" tools 18:23 PancakeLover100 is that different with chainsaws? 18:25 PancakeLover100 Guess I'll find out 18:25 PancakeLover100 It's amazing how most of this stuff was right there under my nose 18:27 calcul0n the idea is node breakers simulate a left click with some tool in hand and deployers simulate a right click 18:27 PancakeLover100 I see 19:00 MTDiscord sfan5, is there a license for the data provided at https://servers.minetest.net ? or is it considered public domain? 19:05 Krock @recluse4615 https://github.com/minetest/serverlist#license 19:05 MTDiscord does the license also cover the data, not just the code? 19:06 MTDiscord ie the data here: https://servers.minetest.net/list 19:06 Krock that's pretty much public domain because it's the servers that more or less directly provide it 19:07 MTDiscord that was my assumption (that it's public domain) but since there's no explicit mention of it anywhere (and i guess no one has asked before, at least that i can see haha) i wanted to double check 19:11 celeron55 that's kind of like asking what license the HTTP requests you're sending to servers when going on websites are under 19:13 celeron55 but it's true that servers.minetest.net possibly could publish a data policy of some sort 19:14 celeron55 to answer the question "what happens to data here and what are the allowed end uses of it" 19:15 MTDiscord i don't think that comparison holds much weight, since there is a non-negligable amount of bandwidth, processing etc to collate & process the data, alongside serving it 20:45 PancakeLover100 This code is inside lua controller 1 20:46 PancakeLover100 ```if pin.d then\n digiline_send("main", "start")\n end``` 20:46 PancakeLover100 I cant even send it properly 20:46 PancakeLover100 Now can I receive this using lua controller 2? 20:48 PancakeLover100 I'm using this for lua controller 2. https://pastebin.com/rc5idfhn 21:18 juninho hi 21:18 PancakeLover100 hey 21:18 PancakeLover100 and off he goes! 23:20 muurkha I asked GPT-4 how to write a Minetest mod: https://bin.gy/eniconceff