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MTDiscord |
<mistere_123> There are a few issues with smaller nodes: map loading speed, view distance, the engine's lighting system, and the height limit on schematics. They can all be overcome with compromises |
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lissobone |
never stop the grindđź’Ş |
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lissobone |
guys what about lisp in minetest |
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lissobone |
i think it's pretty possible to integrate GNU Guile Scheme into minetest (I even know how) |
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erle |
ancientmariner did you look at the unicode_text API? i think i'll put it on cdb today if no further comments come |
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erle |
the person wanting a bdf parser can go pound sand until they have written one themselves |
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erle |
it should not be too difficult |
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erle |
hmm, maybe i should disable bidi algo by default, given that it is broken |
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erle |
or not? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> lissobone: have you considered a lisp lua preprocessor like fennel? |
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a_person |
Hello, when i try to connect to my friend's pc in local wireless network it says connection tied out we both have minetest 5.7.0 |
| 12:28 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Are you connected to the same network? |
| 12:28 |
erle |
a_person are you on windows? |
| 12:28 |
a_person |
i am on GNU Guix (Linux) |
| 12:30 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Connect your friend and yourself to the same network and make the server public... It works for me when I connect my phone to.... |
| 12:30 |
a_person |
how do i make the server public? we are on the same network btw |
| 12:32 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> At startup, there is a button "Host Server" and "Announce Server" its must be enabled |
| 12:32 |
erle |
a_person can you ping the server? |
| 12:32 |
a_person |
no |
| 12:32 |
a_person |
thanks |
| 12:32 |
erle |
then make sure you have no firewall in between |
| 12:32 |
erle |
or, uh, that you are actually connected |
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a_person |
do i have to enter the IP to enter? |
| 12:33 |
erle |
yes |
| 12:33 |
erle |
and the port |
| 12:33 |
a_person |
t h a n k s |
| 12:33 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Yes, of course |
| 12:33 |
erle |
wait what *did* you try |
| 12:33 |
erle |
the hostname? |
| 12:34 |
a_person |
didn't work |
| 12:34 |
a_person |
neither with the hostname |
| 12:34 |
erle |
a_person make sure you can ping the server first |
| 12:34 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> On what computer will you make the server, on your own or on your friend's computer? You must write the ip of the computer on which the server and port |
| 12:34 |
a_person |
i did |
| 12:35 |
a_person |
how do i ping the server |
| 12:35 |
erle |
can you open a terminal |
| 12:35 |
erle |
like xterm or so |
| 12:35 |
erle |
or rxvt or gnome-terminal or xfce4-terminal |
| 12:35 |
lissobone |
a_person: Probably with GNU Alive, whose source code I am studying right now. |
| 12:35 |
erle |
if so, you have a shell |
| 12:35 |
a_person |
yes |
| 12:35 |
a_person |
but what command |
| 12:35 |
a_person |
ping? |
| 12:35 |
lissobone |
You might be just as well comfortable with just the regular ping program. |
| 12:35 |
erle |
you can type ”ping” and a space and then the ip address |
| 12:35 |
erle |
and press enter |
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a_person |
thx |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> lissobone here :D |
| 12:35 |
erle |
it should give you connection information (or not) |
| 12:35 |
erle |
press ctrl + c to end it |
| 12:36 |
a_person |
Destination Host Unreachable |
| 12:36 |
lissobone |
Let's debug it together, then. |
| 12:36 |
lissobone |
What's the host's local IP? |
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a_person |
but it makes 56 bytes or 3 seconds |
| 12:37 |
a_person |
192.168.1.94 |
| 12:37 |
lissobone |
(I just need it for reference.) |
| 12:37 |
lissobone |
So, you passed `ping 192.168.1.94' to the shell, right? |
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a_person |
84 |
| 12:37 |
a_person |
84 |
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lissobone |
s/94/84/ |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Oof, its must be secret information... |
| 12:37 |
lissobone |
Yeah, so secret. |
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a_person |
ah sdo now woeey |
| 12:37 |
a_person |
it is linux |
| 12:37 |
lissobone |
No one cares what's your local IP, honestly. |
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a_person |
and the location is wrong |
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a_person |
it not the CIA mainframe |
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lissobone |
Well, sure, it does use linux, the kernel, but the same `sudo' program (if I understood you correctly) is present on many other systems that use completely different kernels. |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Yeah |
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a_person |
yeah on bsd and mac |
| 12:39 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> There may or may not be sudo |
| 12:39 |
a_person |
or doas |
| 12:39 |
a_person |
(sudo bsd edition) |
| 12:39 |
a_person |
uhh |
| 12:39 |
a_person |
it now works |
| 12:39 |
lissobone |
Before going NoPhone (it was my second device), I could start a minetest server on the mobile phone, check its IP and |
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a_person |
i did nothing |
| 12:39 |
lissobone |
oh yeah sure probably the butterfly |
| 12:39 |
a_person |
?? |
| 12:39 |
lissobone |
a_person: have u heard of the butterfly? |
| 12:39 |
a_person |
no |
| 12:40 |
lissobone |
https://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 12:40 |
lissobone |
Now you have. |
| 12:40 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> lissobone |
| 12:40 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> How is your client? |
| 12:41 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> I'm just curious... |
| 12:41 |
lissobone |
Not running. |
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a_person |
mineclonia |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Ohh |
| 12:41 |
lissobone |
Depends on your definitino of a client. |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Clear... |
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a_person |
who uses 300MB of emacs here? |
| 12:42 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> I remember when you said on Survive server No 521 that you will making client |
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lissobone |
(I am really not sure what client are you referring to: the minetest one or the one we are trying to help here.) |
| 12:42 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Not me |
| 12:42 |
lissobone |
I never said that. |
| 12:42 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Hehehe |
| 12:42 |
lissobone |
You're probably mistaking me with FoxLiveFire. |
| 12:42 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> You did |
| 12:42 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Im FoxLoveFire... |
| 12:42 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> So i cant |
| 12:43 |
lissobone |
Still enjoying nonfree malware? |
| 12:43 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Tired, switched to clean software |
| 12:43 |
lissobone |
It appears that you're writing from Discord, which denies all 4 freedoms. |
| 12:44 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Don't start again |
| 12:44 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> I'm too lazy to argue |
| 12:45 |
lissobone |
I don't have to start for I have never ceased the battle. |
| 12:45 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> It already looks annoying |
| 12:46 |
erle |
discord sucks |
| 12:46 |
erle |
(i just want to be part of the drama) |
| 12:46 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Oof |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> XD |
| 12:46 |
lissobone |
maintainer_: likely due to your prejudice. |
| 12:46 |
ROllerozxa |
discord is ok, but sometimes the people on there sucks... |
| 12:47 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Maybe |
| 12:47 |
lissobone |
Well, yes, if we shun the issues of freedom, discord mods never go anywhere. Â In fact, they're not discord-specific. |
| 12:47 |
MTDiscord |
<mnh48> @maintainer_ don't feed the troll, they will just continue if you still entertain them .. just keep quiet whenever they say anything |
| 12:48 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Did I do something wrong? Why can't I talk to an old friend? |
| 12:48 |
lissobone |
mnh48: 🤓 |
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MTDiscord |
<mnh48> we're all for freedom, including the freedom to choose whatever platform is best suited and not forcing others into any one platform .. the bridge exist to connect everyone so people can choose whichever best for themselves |
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erle |
i am not for the freedom to choose bad things hahahahaha :P |
| 12:49 |
erle |
but this discussion is pointless anyway |
| 12:49 |
erle |
discord users gonna discord |
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erle |
irc users gonna irc |
| 12:50 |
lissobone |
And discord is gonna use discord users. |
| 12:51 |
lissobone |
guys have you ever thought of meme delivery |
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erle |
lissobone, i have. SEIZE THE MEMES OF PRODUCTION! |
| 12:54 |
lissobone |
have u ever thought of the logical definition of delivery? |
| 12:54 |
lissobone |
livery is a kind of a painted pattern on ships and aircrafts, so delivery should mean removing the paint |
| 12:54 |
lissobone |
But there's more to that. |
| 12:55 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Discord is best for me... |
| 12:56 |
MTDiscord |
<quincetart10> I like Discord, because of the chat logs, that's basically the reason I joined. |
| 12:57 |
erle |
lissobone i have written an o'reilly book on internet memes (with a friend, 10 years ago, in german), go download it http://internetmeme.de |
| 12:58 |
erle |
maybe you like it |
| 12:59 |
lissobone |
yooooo cats |
| 12:59 |
lissobone |
The very embodiment of an internet meme. |
| 13:02 |
lissobone |
I will like it once I learn to read German (which will be quite soon). |
| 13:02 |
lissobone |
I have already been learning it, but I stopped a while ago due to Korean. |
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erle |
o'reilly has this thing where all the books have some animals on them i think |
| 13:06 |
erle |
often from an old copper carving and similar stuff |
| 13:06 |
erle |
or at least stylized like that |
| 13:07 |
erle |
i think perl books have a camel |
| 13:07 |
erle |
i wonder what python books have on the cover hehe |
| 13:07 |
lissobone |
what's the other word for a camel |
| 13:08 |
lissobone |
Hold on, what are dromedaries doing in Central Australia? |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Germany :V |
| 13:10 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> I studied this language at school, but I slept in the lessons so the language |
| 13:11 |
erle |
german is simple |
| 13:11 |
erle |
you can get by with one word mostly |
| 13:11 |
erle |
“nein” |
| 13:11 |
erle |
it's the most important german word |
| 13:11 |
erle |
if you want to be polite, use ”nein danke” |
| 13:11 |
lissobone |
But... what about "Ja"? |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> I know what mean this word .. |
| 13:11 |
erle |
not as important |
| 13:12 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Ja - yes, nein - no... |
| 13:12 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Maybe |
| 13:12 |
erle |
using NEIN you can start a conflict with bystanders (who ask you to move out of the way) |
| 13:12 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> If I do not wrong |
| 13:12 |
erle |
you can tell someone to get lost |
| 13:12 |
erle |
you can repeat it to appear unhinged |
| 13:12 |
erle |
it is really flexible, like “fuck” in english or “kurwa” in polish |
| 13:12 |
Thelie |
erle, what about "tja"? |
| 13:13 |
erle |
Thelie tja is only useful if you manage to have a condescending tone and the situation fits |
| 13:13 |
erle |
like someone getting hoist by their own petard or how french people say itd |
| 13:13 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> And let's communicate in the international language: English... |
| 13:13 |
erle |
NEIN |
| 13:13 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Oof |
| 13:13 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Ok |
| 13:13 |
Thelie |
I also frequently use it as the verbal equivalent of 🤷 |
| 13:14 |
erle |
Thelie yeah but shrugging is not always applicable |
| 13:14 |
erle |
NEIN on the other hand, is |
| 13:14 |
lissobone |
We all know that the international language is pidgin. |
| 13:14 |
erle |
the international language? you mean a … lingua … franca? |
| 13:14 |
erle |
like, latin |
| 13:14 |
Thelie |
Fair enough |
| 13:15 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> lissobone: Yes, but English is used more often |
| 13:16 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> I didn’t mean international, but the language that is used in most games and gaming communities |
| 13:17 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Not in all, but often used |
| 13:18 |
lissobone |
Spanish? |
| 13:18 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> English... |
| 13:18 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> But ok |
| 13:19 |
lissobone |
Spanish has 100 million more native speakers than English. |
| 13:20 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> yeah |
| 13:20 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> But most of the time everyone speaks English... |
| 13:20 |
lissobone |
Biased. |
| 13:20 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> I mean in game |
| 13:20 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Games* |
| 13:21 |
lissobone |
That's due to the fact that you are trapped in your English bubble, blind to the outside. |
| 13:21 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Alas, I cannot brag about my English skills, because they are bad |
| 13:22 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Maybe |
| 13:23 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> But people more often speak two languages, in their native language and in English ... |
| 13:23 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Or they don't speak English at all |
| 13:23 |
lissobone |
People more often speak Spanish. |
| 13:23 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> XD |
| 13:23 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> I agree |
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lissobone |
erle: frankly speaking, I love your website. |
| 13:51 |
erle |
lissobone, which one |
| 13:52 |
erle |
lissobone is it the dating profile? ;) |
| 13:52 |
erle |
i made all the SVG animations by hand |
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| 13:57 |
lissobone |
No, I haven't even seen the dating profile yet. |
| 13:59 |
lissobone |
Now I've seen it. Â Now I've seen everything. |
| 14:00 |
lissobone |
Hold on, I just remembered about the existance of the mouse and realized that the lizards are interactive. Â Along with other funny hacky things. |
| 14:00 |
lissobone |
The lizards remind me of the ones from Hyperrogue when they go docile and become the floor. |
| 14:02 |
erle |
yes |
| 14:02 |
erle |
they are called reptiles |
| 14:02 |
erle |
rep-tiles |
| 14:02 |
erle |
it's a joke |
| 14:03 |
erle |
lissobone the reptiles come from this painting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptiles_(M._C._Escher) |
| 14:04 |
lissobone |
Looks like they both (your and hyperrogue's) were borrowed from the same litograph print. |
| 14:04 |
erle |
lissobone the spider making a web is also interactive. it falls down, changing the pic a bit ;) |
| 14:05 |
lissobone |
What if I wait for the spider to finish the web? |
| 14:06 |
erle |
then it will finish the web |
| 14:06 |
lissobone |
It has finished the web. Â Successfully. |
| 14:06 |
erle |
if you ever need advice for declarative CSS or SVG animations, ask away |
| 14:06 |
erle |
SVG is amazing |
| 14:07 |
lissobone |
It appears that the spider prefers to go towards the middles of web strings. Â This forms a nice pattern. |
| 14:07 |
lissobone |
Hold up, web strings... Â There's something to it. |
| 14:09 |
lissobone |
I like the social network list. |
| 14:09 |
erle |
hehe |
| 14:12 |
lissobone |
And the bottom of the page just summarizes it. |
| 14:13 |
lissobone |
Or maybe not summarizes but finishes it well. |
| 14:19 |
erle |
lissobone, do you have a website |
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[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> Possible UDP <- TCP -> UDP relay? |
| 14:47 |
lissobone |
(Back from observing the stars.) |
| 14:48 |
erle |
lissobone, oh you are far away, it is almost midnight |
| 14:48 |
erle |
i am in berlin and wondered |
| 14:49 |
lissobone |
No, I have never owned an actually useful website. Â I attempted to do something fun with friendz in 2020 and routed it through tor, but the laptop had suffered a very unexpected death. |
| 14:49 |
lissobone |
But I once made a website for my friend as a birthday surprise. |
| 14:50 |
lissobone |
Contrary to your smooth SVG animations, I drew stuff by hand in GIMP. |
| 14:50 |
lissobone |
Unfortunately, she never got to see it. |
| 14:51 |
erle |
oh no |
| 14:51 |
erle |
why |
| 14:51 |
erle |
lissobone the svg thing is easy to learn! |
| 14:52 |
lissobone |
Just like one can learn programming by studying the source code of other useful programs, one can learn SVG likewise. |
| 14:53 |
[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> https://git.phreedom.club/localhost_frssoft/frssoft-site/src/branch/main/imgs inkscape :D |
| 14:55 |
lissobone |
The "Regularny Wyrazennya" up there sort of scares me. Â I've always wondered how do our good old hacky terms sound in Russian. |
| 14:56 |
lissobone |
I can't describe this vibe, but it's weird. |
| 14:58 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Ohh, you re too Russian... |
| 14:58 |
lissobone |
Who told you I am? |
| 14:59 |
lissobone |
oh no |
| 14:59 |
[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> It's me, sorry for that. |
| 14:59 |
lissobone |
oh no there's russian in the source code too |
| 14:59 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Its not for you lissobone |
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lissobone |
For a moment I thought that you were the same person, just oddly writing from Matrix and Discord at the same time. |
| 15:00 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> I don't know if Discord didn't recognize this person's name correctly or if it's the name |
| 15:01 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> The guy with nickname "localhost" here |
| 15:02 |
[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> my nick frssoft, but for easy reading is localhost pseudonime |
| 15:03 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Okay |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> What the best chat for IRC? |
| 15:03 |
lissobone |
Not sure what you mean by "chat", but the best client is obviously the one written in Emacs Lisp. |
| 15:03 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> (For me Emacs is bad) |
| 15:04 |
[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> I'm not sits on DS - ds is not good. IRC, Jabber, Matrix - is cool |
| 15:04 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> I mean client |
| 15:04 |
lissobone |
Maybe you're just bad for Emacs. |
| 15:04 |
[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> vim |
| 15:04 |
[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> :D |
| 15:04 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Yea, i need comfortable interface, Â i make it or find good client |
| 15:05 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> finding* |
| 15:05 |
lissobone |
localhost: The peasants' text editor, isn't it? |
| 15:05 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Im sorry, my English is bad |
| 15:05 |
[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> same |
| 15:06 |
[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> Selector with "English (custom)" |
| 15:06 |
lissobone |
I take my words back; you can't possibly be bad for Emacs because the Church of Emacs always warmly welcomes new faithful members. |
| 15:06 |
MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Doesn't IRC support Russian letters? |
| 15:07 |
[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> Just 2 bytes instead 1 bytes on en |
| 15:07 |
lissobone |
It supports whatever data, IRC clients just interpret it as text in a certain encoding. |
| 15:07 |
lissobone |
There's even Voice over IRC. |
| 15:07 |
[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> Voice over IRC - mumble :3 |
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[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> oh noes. offtopic đź‘€ |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> lissobone: Russian proverb "the word is not a sparrow, you won't catch it" (I think it's better not to translate Russian proverbs into English) |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Here the proverb “what is written with a feast cannot be cut down with an ax” would rather come up .... |
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MTDiscord |
<maintainer_> Well, I don't know how to translate it better |
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MinetestBot |
[git] grorp -> minetest/minetest: Higher default graphics settings on Android (#13780) 95056f9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/95056f97830a85b2f6b0bb07dc3579e30daa3bfc (2023-09-07T15:55:11Z) |
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[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> oh... |
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[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> potato android phones be like: *dies* |
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lissobone |
My friends' phones reportetly heat up a lot when playing minetest. |
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[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> but ultra-low graphics settings is blazing fast for potato PC's |
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<localhost> also, in my case I set occlusuon_culler to loops, is more fast on celeron |
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MTDiscord |
<grorp> The PR only enabled smooth lighting and 3D clouds by default, so it shouldn't make much of a performance difference, even on low-end phones. |
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[MTMatrix] |
<localhost> okay |
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erle |
celeron55 i read this and i wondered, have you ever read the ”the seven turrets of babel” paper? if not, i recommend it https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13784#issuecomment-1708341652 |
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hare_hare_yukai |
i've never installed gnu/linux |
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ROllerozxa |
neither has RMS, from what I've heard |
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hare_hare_yukai |
RMS, thats me |
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hare_hare_yukai |
proof: i've never installed gnu/linux |
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erle |
i have never installed gun/linux |
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hare_hare_yukai |
gun/linux, my favourite operating system |
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hare_hare_yukai |
WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DO |
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celeron55 |
it's somewhat unclear what your goal is |
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hare_hare_yukai |
my goal is to become richard stallman |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Then you first need to drop the M. |
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hare_hare_yukai |
i dont know what dropping the M means but im sure of one thing |
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hare_hare_yukai |
i've never installed gnu/linux |
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erle |
richard minetest stallman |
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hare_hare_yukai |
richard minetest stallman, thats me |
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erle |
i met stallman once and asked him about free hardware |
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erle |
his response was basically, well the foundry can put whatever into the board or chip or so |
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erle |
and we have used proprietary processors for 40 years |
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erle |
so free hardware is uninteresting to him “unless we get star-trek style replicators” IIRC |
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erle |
i do disagree here |
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hare_hare_yukai |
we need some billionaire because actually making CPUs isnt a small task |
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hare_hare_yukai |
i mean is* |
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hare_hare_yukai |
bleah |
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hare_hare_yukai |
wait im drunk |
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celeron55 |
the rom capacities on chips can be huge and those can contain entire operating systems, maybe stallman's opinion is based on the difficulty of controlling it or maybe he's just more into applications than operating systems |
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hare_hare_yukai |
well im drunk |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> hi drunk, i'm luatic |
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hare_hare_yukai |
hi luatic, im richard stallman |
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