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03:13 MTDiscord <mistere_123> There are a few issues with smaller nodes: map loading speed, view distance, the engine's lighting system, and the height limit on schematics. They can all be overcome with compromises
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04:38 lissobone never stop the grind💪
04:38 lissobone guys what about lisp in minetest
04:38 lissobone i think it's pretty possible to integrate GNU Guile Scheme into minetest (I even know how)
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08:14 erle ancientmariner did you look at the unicode_text API? i think i'll put it on cdb today if no further comments come
08:15 erle the person wanting a bdf parser can go pound sand until they have written one themselves
08:15 erle it should not be too difficult
08:15 erle hmm, maybe i should disable bidi algo by default, given that it is broken
08:15 erle or not?
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12:27 MTDiscord <luatic> lissobone: have you considered a lisp lua preprocessor like fennel?
12:27 a_person Hello, when i try to connect to my friend's pc in local wireless network it says connection tied out we both have minetest 5.7.0
12:28 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Are you connected to the same network?
12:28 erle a_person are you on windows?
12:28 a_person i am on GNU Guix (Linux)
12:30 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Connect your friend and yourself to the same network and make the server public... It works for me when I connect my phone to....
12:30 a_person how do i make the server public? we are on the same network btw
12:32 MTDiscord <maintainer_> At startup, there is a button "Host Server" and "Announce Server" its must be enabled
12:32 erle a_person can you ping the server?
12:32 a_person no
12:32 a_person thanks
12:32 erle then make sure you have no firewall in between
12:32 erle or, uh, that you are actually connected
12:32 a_person do i have to enter the IP to enter?
12:33 erle yes
12:33 erle and the port
12:33 a_person t h a n k s
12:33 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Yes, of course
12:33 erle wait what *did* you try
12:33 erle the hostname?
12:34 a_person didn't work
12:34 a_person neither with the hostname
12:34 erle a_person make sure you can ping the server first
12:34 MTDiscord <maintainer_> On what computer will you make the server, on your own or on your friend's computer? You must write the ip of the computer on which the server and port
12:34 a_person i did
12:35 a_person how do i ping the server
12:35 erle can you open a terminal
12:35 erle like xterm or so
12:35 erle or rxvt or gnome-terminal or xfce4-terminal
12:35 lissobone a_person: Probably with GNU Alive, whose source code I am studying right now.
12:35 erle if so, you have a shell
12:35 a_person yes
12:35 a_person but what command
12:35 a_person ping?
12:35 lissobone You might be just as well comfortable with just the regular ping program.
12:35 erle you can type ”ping” and a space and then the ip address
12:35 erle and press enter
12:35 a_person thx
12:35 MTDiscord <maintainer_> lissobone here :D
12:35 erle it should give you connection information (or not)
12:35 erle press ctrl + c to end it
12:36 a_person Destination Host Unreachable
12:36 lissobone Let's debug it together, then.
12:36 lissobone What's the host's local IP?
12:36 a_person but it makes 56 bytes or 3 seconds
12:37 a_person 192.168.1.94
12:37 lissobone (I just need it for reference.)
12:37 lissobone So, you passed `ping 192.168.1.94' to the shell, right?
12:37 a_person 84
12:37 a_person 84
12:37 lissobone s/94/84/
12:37 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Oof, its must be secret information...
12:37 lissobone Yeah, so secret.
12:37 a_person ah sdo now woeey
12:37 a_person it is linux
12:37 lissobone No one cares what's your local IP, honestly.
12:38 a_person and the location is wrong
12:38 a_person it not the CIA mainframe
12:38 lissobone Well, sure, it does use linux, the kernel, but the same `sudo' program (if I understood you correctly) is present on many other systems that use completely different kernels.
12:38 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Yeah
12:39 a_person yeah on bsd and mac
12:39 MTDiscord <maintainer_> There may or may not be sudo
12:39 a_person or doas
12:39 a_person (sudo bsd edition)
12:39 a_person uhh
12:39 a_person it now works
12:39 lissobone Before going NoPhone (it was my second device), I could start a minetest server on the mobile phone, check its IP and
12:39 a_person i did nothing
12:39 lissobone oh yeah sure probably the butterfly
12:39 a_person ??
12:39 lissobone a_person: have u heard of the butterfly?
12:39 a_person no
12:40 lissobone https://xkcd.com/378/
12:40 lissobone Now you have.
12:40 MTDiscord <maintainer_> lissobone
12:40 MTDiscord <maintainer_> How is your client?
12:41 MTDiscord <maintainer_> I'm just curious...
12:41 lissobone Not running.
12:41 a_person mineclonia
12:41 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Ohh
12:41 lissobone Depends on your definitino of a client.
12:41 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Clear...
12:42 a_person who uses 300MB of emacs here?
12:42 MTDiscord <maintainer_> I remember when you said on Survive server No 521 that you will making client
12:42 lissobone (I am really not sure what client are you referring to: the minetest one or the one we are trying to help here.)
12:42 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Not me
12:42 lissobone I never said that.
12:42 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Hehehe
12:42 lissobone You're probably mistaking me with FoxLiveFire.
12:42 MTDiscord <maintainer_> You did
12:42 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Im FoxLoveFire...
12:42 MTDiscord <maintainer_> So i cant
12:43 lissobone Still enjoying nonfree malware?
12:43 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Tired, switched to clean software
12:43 lissobone It appears that you're writing from Discord, which denies all 4 freedoms.
12:44 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Don't start again
12:44 MTDiscord <maintainer_> I'm too lazy to argue
12:45 lissobone I don't have to start for I have never ceased the battle.
12:45 MTDiscord <maintainer_> It already looks annoying
12:46 erle discord sucks
12:46 erle (i just want to be part of the drama)
12:46 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Oof
12:46 MTDiscord <maintainer_> XD
12:46 lissobone maintainer_: likely due to your prejudice.
12:46 ROllerozxa discord is ok, but sometimes the people on there sucks...
12:47 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Maybe
12:47 lissobone Well, yes, if we shun the issues of freedom, discord mods never go anywhere.  In fact, they're not discord-specific.
12:47 MTDiscord <mnh48> @maintainer_ don't feed the troll, they will just continue if you still entertain them .. just keep quiet whenever they say anything
12:48 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Did I do something wrong? Why can't I talk to an old friend?
12:48 lissobone mnh48: 🤓
12:49 MTDiscord <mnh48> we're all for freedom, including the freedom to choose whatever platform is best suited and not forcing others into any one platform .. the bridge exist to connect everyone so people can choose whichever best for themselves
12:49 erle i am not for the freedom to choose bad things hahahahaha :P
12:49 erle but this discussion is pointless anyway
12:49 erle discord users gonna discord
12:50 erle irc users gonna irc
12:50 lissobone And discord is gonna use discord users.
12:51 lissobone guys have you ever thought of meme delivery
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12:53 erle lissobone, i have. SEIZE THE MEMES OF PRODUCTION!
12:54 lissobone have u ever thought of the logical definition of delivery?
12:54 lissobone livery is a kind of a painted pattern on ships and aircrafts, so delivery should mean removing the paint
12:54 lissobone But there's more to that.
12:55 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Discord is best for me...
12:56 MTDiscord <quincetart10> I like Discord, because of the chat logs, that's basically the reason I joined.
12:57 erle lissobone i have written an o'reilly book on internet memes (with a friend, 10 years ago, in german), go download it http://internetmeme.de
12:58 erle maybe you like it
12:59 lissobone yooooo cats
12:59 lissobone The very embodiment of an internet meme.
13:02 lissobone I will like it once I learn to read German (which will be quite soon).
13:02 lissobone I have already been learning it, but I stopped a while ago due to Korean.
13:06 erle o'reilly has this thing where all the books have some animals on them i think
13:06 erle often from an old copper carving and similar stuff
13:06 erle or at least stylized like that
13:07 erle i think perl books have a camel
13:07 erle i wonder what python books have on the cover hehe
13:07 lissobone what's the other word for a camel
13:08 lissobone Hold on, what are dromedaries doing in Central Australia?
13:10 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Germany :V
13:10 MTDiscord <maintainer_> I studied this language at school, but I slept in the lessons so the language
13:11 erle german is simple
13:11 erle you can get by with one word mostly
13:11 erle “nein”
13:11 erle it's the most important german word
13:11 erle if you want to be polite, use ”nein danke”
13:11 lissobone But... what about "Ja"?
13:11 MTDiscord <maintainer_> I know what mean this word ..
13:11 erle not as important
13:12 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Ja - yes, nein - no...
13:12 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Maybe
13:12 erle using NEIN you can start a conflict with bystanders (who ask you to move out of the way)
13:12 MTDiscord <maintainer_> If I do not wrong
13:12 erle you can tell someone to get lost
13:12 erle you can repeat it to appear unhinged
13:12 erle it is really flexible, like “fuck” in english or “kurwa” in polish
13:12 Thelie erle, what about "tja"?
13:13 erle Thelie tja is only useful if you manage to have a condescending tone and the situation fits
13:13 erle like someone getting hoist by their own petard or how french people say itd
13:13 MTDiscord <maintainer_> And let's communicate in the international language: English...
13:13 erle NEIN
13:13 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Oof
13:13 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Ok
13:13 Thelie I also frequently use it as the verbal equivalent of 🤷
13:14 erle Thelie yeah but shrugging is not always applicable
13:14 erle NEIN on the other hand, is
13:14 lissobone We all know that the international language is pidgin.
13:14 erle the international language? you mean a … lingua … franca?
13:14 erle like, latin
13:14 Thelie Fair enough
13:15 MTDiscord <maintainer_> lissobone: Yes, but English is used more often
13:16 MTDiscord <maintainer_> I didn’t mean international, but the language that is used in most games and gaming communities
13:17 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Not in all, but often used
13:18 lissobone Spanish?
13:18 MTDiscord <maintainer_> English...
13:18 MTDiscord <maintainer_> But ok
13:19 lissobone Spanish has 100 million more native speakers than English.
13:20 MTDiscord <maintainer_> yeah
13:20 MTDiscord <maintainer_> But most of the time everyone speaks English...
13:20 lissobone Biased.
13:20 MTDiscord <maintainer_> I mean in game
13:20 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Games*
13:21 lissobone That's due to the fact that you are trapped in your English bubble, blind to the outside.
13:21 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Alas, I cannot brag about my English skills, because they are bad
13:22 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Maybe
13:23 MTDiscord <maintainer_> But people more often speak two languages, in their native language and in English ...
13:23 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Or they don't speak English at all
13:23 lissobone People more often speak Spanish.
13:23 MTDiscord <maintainer_> XD
13:23 MTDiscord <maintainer_> I agree
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13:50 lissobone erle: frankly speaking, I love your website.
13:51 erle lissobone, which one
13:52 erle lissobone is it the dating profile? ;)
13:52 erle i made all the SVG animations by hand
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13:57 lissobone No, I haven't even seen the dating profile yet.
13:59 lissobone Now I've seen it.  Now I've seen everything.
14:00 lissobone Hold on, I just remembered about the existance of the mouse and realized that the lizards are interactive.  Along with other funny hacky things.
14:00 lissobone The lizards remind me of the ones from Hyperrogue when they go docile and become the floor.
14:02 erle yes
14:02 erle they are called reptiles
14:02 erle rep-tiles
14:02 erle it's a joke
14:03 erle lissobone the reptiles come from this painting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptiles_(M._C._Escher)
14:04 lissobone Looks like they both (your and hyperrogue's) were borrowed from the same litograph print.
14:04 erle lissobone the spider making a web is also interactive. it falls down, changing the pic a bit ;)
14:05 lissobone What if I wait for the spider to finish the web?
14:06 erle then it will finish the web
14:06 lissobone It has finished the web.  Successfully.
14:06 erle if you ever need advice for declarative CSS or SVG animations, ask away
14:06 erle SVG is amazing
14:07 lissobone It appears that the spider prefers to go towards the middles of web strings.  This forms a nice pattern.
14:07 lissobone Hold up, web strings...  There's something to it.
14:09 lissobone I like the social network list.
14:09 erle hehe
14:12 lissobone And the bottom of the page just summarizes it.
14:13 lissobone Or maybe not summarizes but finishes it well.
14:19 erle lissobone, do you have a website
14:30 [MTMatrix] <localhost> Possible UDP <- TCP -> UDP relay?
14:47 lissobone (Back from observing the stars.)
14:48 erle lissobone, oh you are far away, it is almost midnight
14:48 erle i am in berlin and wondered
14:49 lissobone No, I have never owned an actually useful website.  I attempted to do something fun with friendz in 2020 and routed it through tor, but the laptop had suffered a very unexpected death.
14:49 lissobone But I once made a website for my friend as a birthday surprise.
14:50 lissobone Contrary to your smooth SVG animations, I drew stuff by hand in GIMP.
14:50 lissobone Unfortunately, she never got to see it.
14:51 erle oh no
14:51 erle why
14:51 erle lissobone the svg thing is easy to learn!
14:52 lissobone Just like one can learn programming by studying the source code of other useful programs, one can learn SVG likewise.
14:53 [MTMatrix] <localhost> https://git.phreedom.club/localhost_frssoft/frssoft-site/src/branch/main/imgs inkscape :D
14:55 lissobone The "Regularny Wyrazennya" up there sort of scares me.  I've always wondered how do our good old hacky terms sound in Russian.
14:56 lissobone I can't describe this vibe, but it's weird.
14:58 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Ohh, you re too Russian...
14:58 lissobone Who told you I am?
14:59 lissobone oh no
14:59 [MTMatrix] <localhost> It's me, sorry for that.
14:59 lissobone oh no there's russian in the source code too
14:59 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Its not for you lissobone
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15:00 lissobone For a moment I thought that you were the same person, just oddly writing from Matrix and Discord at the same time.
15:00 MTDiscord <maintainer_> I don't know if Discord didn't recognize this person's name correctly or if it's the name
15:01 MTDiscord <maintainer_> The guy with nickname "localhost" here
15:02 [MTMatrix] <localhost> my nick frssoft, but for easy reading is localhost pseudonime
15:03 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Okay
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15:03 MTDiscord <maintainer_> What the best chat for IRC?
15:03 lissobone Not sure what you mean by "chat", but the best client is obviously the one written in Emacs Lisp.
15:03 MTDiscord <maintainer_> (For me Emacs is bad)
15:04 [MTMatrix] <localhost> I'm not sits on DS - ds is not good. IRC, Jabber, Matrix - is cool
15:04 MTDiscord <maintainer_> I mean client
15:04 lissobone Maybe you're just bad for Emacs.
15:04 [MTMatrix] <localhost> vim
15:04 [MTMatrix] <localhost> :D
15:04 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Yea, i need comfortable interface,  i make it or find good client
15:05 MTDiscord <maintainer_> finding*
15:05 lissobone localhost: The peasants' text editor, isn't it?
15:05 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Im sorry, my English is bad
15:05 [MTMatrix] <localhost> same
15:06 [MTMatrix] <localhost> Selector with "English (custom)"
15:06 lissobone I take my words back; you can't possibly be bad for Emacs because the Church of Emacs always warmly welcomes new faithful members.
15:06 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Doesn't IRC support Russian letters?
15:07 [MTMatrix] <localhost> Just 2 bytes instead 1 bytes on en
15:07 lissobone It supports whatever data, IRC clients just interpret it as text in a certain encoding.
15:07 lissobone There's even Voice over IRC.
15:07 [MTMatrix] <localhost> Voice over IRC - mumble :3
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15:08 [MTMatrix] <localhost> oh noes. offtopic 👀
15:08 MTDiscord <maintainer_> lissobone: Russian proverb "the word is not a sparrow, you won't catch it" (I think it's better not to translate Russian proverbs into English)
15:11 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Here the proverb “what is written with a feast cannot be cut down with an ax” would rather come up ....
15:13 MTDiscord <maintainer_> Well, I don't know how to translate it better
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15:55 MinetestBot [git] grorp -> minetest/minetest: Higher default graphics settings on Android (#13780) 95056f9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/95056f97830a85b2f6b0bb07dc3579e30daa3bfc (2023-09-07T15:55:11Z)
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16:00 [MTMatrix] <localhost> oh...
16:01 [MTMatrix] <localhost> potato android phones be like: *dies*
16:02 lissobone My friends' phones reportetly heat up a lot when playing minetest.
16:03 [MTMatrix] <localhost> but ultra-low graphics settings is blazing fast for potato PC's
16:05 [MTMatrix] <localhost> also, in my case I set occlusuon_culler to loops, is more fast on celeron
16:05 MTDiscord <grorp> The PR only enabled smooth lighting and 3D clouds by default, so it shouldn't make much of a performance difference, even on low-end phones.
16:06 [MTMatrix] <localhost> okay
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17:29 erle celeron55 i read this and i wondered, have you ever read the ”the seven turrets of babel” paper? if not, i recommend it https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13784#issuecomment-1708341652
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21:06 hare_hare_yukai i've never installed gnu/linux
21:07 ROllerozxa neither has RMS, from what I've heard
21:08 hare_hare_yukai RMS, thats me
21:08 hare_hare_yukai proof: i've never installed gnu/linux
21:09 erle i have never installed gun/linux
21:10 hare_hare_yukai gun/linux, my favourite operating system
21:20 hare_hare_yukai WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DO
21:24 celeron55 it's somewhat unclear what your goal is
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21:27 hare_hare_yukai my goal is to become richard stallman
21:28 MTDiscord <luatic> Then you first need to drop the M.
21:30 hare_hare_yukai i dont know what dropping the M means but im sure of one thing
21:30 hare_hare_yukai i've never installed gnu/linux
21:30 erle richard minetest stallman
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21:30 hare_hare_yukai richard minetest stallman, thats me
21:30 erle i met stallman once and asked him about free hardware
21:30 erle his response was basically, well the foundry can put whatever into the board or chip or so
21:31 erle and we have used proprietary processors for 40 years
21:31 erle so free hardware is uninteresting to him “unless we get star-trek style replicators” IIRC
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21:31 erle i do disagree here
21:32 hare_hare_yukai we need some billionaire because actually making CPUs isnt a small task
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21:33 hare_hare_yukai i mean is*
21:33 hare_hare_yukai bleah
21:33 hare_hare_yukai wait im drunk
21:33 celeron55 the rom capacities on chips can be huge and those can contain entire operating systems, maybe stallman's opinion is based on the difficulty of controlling it or maybe he's just more into applications than operating systems
21:33 hare_hare_yukai well im drunk
21:33 MTDiscord <luatic> hi drunk, i'm luatic
21:33 hare_hare_yukai hi luatic, im richard stallman
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