Time Nick Message 03:13 MTDiscord There are a few issues with smaller nodes: map loading speed, view distance, the engine's lighting system, and the height limit on schematics. They can all be overcome with compromises 04:38 lissobone never stop the grind💪 04:38 lissobone guys what about lisp in minetest 04:38 lissobone i think it's pretty possible to integrate GNU Guile Scheme into minetest (I even know how) 08:14 erle ancientmariner did you look at the unicode_text API? i think i'll put it on cdb today if no further comments come 08:15 erle the person wanting a bdf parser can go pound sand until they have written one themselves 08:15 erle it should not be too difficult 08:15 erle hmm, maybe i should disable bidi algo by default, given that it is broken 08:15 erle or not? 12:27 MTDiscord lissobone: have you considered a lisp lua preprocessor like fennel? 12:27 a_person Hello, when i try to connect to my friend's pc in local wireless network it says connection tied out we both have minetest 5.7.0 12:28 MTDiscord Are you connected to the same network? 12:28 erle a_person are you on windows? 12:28 a_person i am on GNU Guix (Linux) 12:30 MTDiscord Connect your friend and yourself to the same network and make the server public... It works for me when I connect my phone to.... 12:30 a_person how do i make the server public? we are on the same network btw 12:32 MTDiscord At startup, there is a button "Host Server" and "Announce Server" its must be enabled 12:32 erle a_person can you ping the server? 12:32 a_person no 12:32 a_person thanks 12:32 erle then make sure you have no firewall in between 12:32 erle or, uh, that you are actually connected 12:32 a_person do i have to enter the IP to enter? 12:33 erle yes 12:33 erle and the port 12:33 a_person t h a n k s 12:33 MTDiscord Yes, of course 12:33 erle wait what *did* you try 12:33 erle the hostname? 12:34 a_person didn't work 12:34 a_person neither with the hostname 12:34 erle a_person make sure you can ping the server first 12:34 MTDiscord On what computer will you make the server, on your own or on your friend's computer? You must write the ip of the computer on which the server and port 12:34 a_person i did 12:35 a_person how do i ping the server 12:35 erle can you open a terminal 12:35 erle like xterm or so 12:35 erle or rxvt or gnome-terminal or xfce4-terminal 12:35 lissobone a_person: Probably with GNU Alive, whose source code I am studying right now. 12:35 erle if so, you have a shell 12:35 a_person yes 12:35 a_person but what command 12:35 a_person ping? 12:35 lissobone You might be just as well comfortable with just the regular ping program. 12:35 erle you can type ”ping” and a space and then the ip address 12:35 erle and press enter 12:35 a_person thx 12:35 MTDiscord lissobone here :D 12:35 erle it should give you connection information (or not) 12:35 erle press ctrl + c to end it 12:36 a_person Destination Host Unreachable 12:36 lissobone Let's debug it together, then. 12:36 lissobone What's the host's local IP? 12:36 a_person but it makes 56 bytes or 3 seconds 12:37 a_person 192.168.1.94 12:37 lissobone (I just need it for reference.) 12:37 lissobone So, you passed `ping 192.168.1.94' to the shell, right? 12:37 a_person 84 12:37 a_person 84 12:37 lissobone s/94/84/ 12:37 MTDiscord Oof, its must be secret information... 12:37 lissobone Yeah, so secret. 12:37 a_person ah sdo now woeey 12:37 a_person it is linux 12:37 lissobone No one cares what's your local IP, honestly. 12:38 a_person and the location is wrong 12:38 a_person it not the CIA mainframe 12:38 lissobone Well, sure, it does use linux, the kernel, but the same `sudo' program (if I understood you correctly) is present on many other systems that use completely different kernels. 12:38 MTDiscord Yeah 12:39 a_person yeah on bsd and mac 12:39 MTDiscord There may or may not be sudo 12:39 a_person or doas 12:39 a_person (sudo bsd edition) 12:39 a_person uhh 12:39 a_person it now works 12:39 lissobone Before going NoPhone (it was my second device), I could start a minetest server on the mobile phone, check its IP and 12:39 a_person i did nothing 12:39 lissobone oh yeah sure probably the butterfly 12:39 a_person ?? 12:39 lissobone a_person: have u heard of the butterfly? 12:39 a_person no 12:40 lissobone https://xkcd.com/378/ 12:40 lissobone Now you have. 12:40 MTDiscord lissobone 12:40 MTDiscord How is your client? 12:41 MTDiscord I'm just curious... 12:41 lissobone Not running. 12:41 a_person mineclonia 12:41 MTDiscord Ohh 12:41 lissobone Depends on your definitino of a client. 12:41 MTDiscord Clear... 12:42 a_person who uses 300MB of emacs here? 12:42 MTDiscord I remember when you said on Survive server No 521 that you will making client 12:42 lissobone (I am really not sure what client are you referring to: the minetest one or the one we are trying to help here.) 12:42 MTDiscord Not me 12:42 lissobone I never said that. 12:42 MTDiscord Hehehe 12:42 lissobone You're probably mistaking me with FoxLiveFire. 12:42 MTDiscord You did 12:42 MTDiscord Im FoxLoveFire... 12:42 MTDiscord So i cant 12:43 lissobone Still enjoying nonfree malware? 12:43 MTDiscord Tired, switched to clean software 12:43 lissobone It appears that you're writing from Discord, which denies all 4 freedoms. 12:44 MTDiscord Don't start again 12:44 MTDiscord I'm too lazy to argue 12:45 lissobone I don't have to start for I have never ceased the battle. 12:45 MTDiscord It already looks annoying 12:46 erle discord sucks 12:46 erle (i just want to be part of the drama) 12:46 MTDiscord Oof 12:46 MTDiscord XD 12:46 lissobone maintainer_: likely due to your prejudice. 12:46 ROllerozxa discord is ok, but sometimes the people on there sucks... 12:47 MTDiscord Maybe 12:47 lissobone Well, yes, if we shun the issues of freedom, discord mods never go anywhere. In fact, they're not discord-specific. 12:47 MTDiscord @maintainer_ don't feed the troll, they will just continue if you still entertain them .. just keep quiet whenever they say anything 12:48 MTDiscord Did I do something wrong? Why can't I talk to an old friend? 12:48 lissobone mnh48: 🤓 12:49 MTDiscord we're all for freedom, including the freedom to choose whatever platform is best suited and not forcing others into any one platform .. the bridge exist to connect everyone so people can choose whichever best for themselves 12:49 erle i am not for the freedom to choose bad things hahahahaha :P 12:49 erle but this discussion is pointless anyway 12:49 erle discord users gonna discord 12:50 erle irc users gonna irc 12:50 lissobone And discord is gonna use discord users. 12:51 lissobone guys have you ever thought of meme delivery 12:53 erle lissobone, i have. SEIZE THE MEMES OF PRODUCTION! 12:54 lissobone have u ever thought of the logical definition of delivery? 12:54 lissobone livery is a kind of a painted pattern on ships and aircrafts, so delivery should mean removing the paint 12:54 lissobone But there's more to that. 12:55 MTDiscord Discord is best for me... 12:56 MTDiscord I like Discord, because of the chat logs, that's basically the reason I joined. 12:57 erle lissobone i have written an o'reilly book on internet memes (with a friend, 10 years ago, in german), go download it http://internetmeme.de 12:58 erle maybe you like it 12:59 lissobone yooooo cats 12:59 lissobone The very embodiment of an internet meme. 13:02 lissobone I will like it once I learn to read German (which will be quite soon). 13:02 lissobone I have already been learning it, but I stopped a while ago due to Korean. 13:06 erle o'reilly has this thing where all the books have some animals on them i think 13:06 erle often from an old copper carving and similar stuff 13:06 erle or at least stylized like that 13:07 erle i think perl books have a camel 13:07 erle i wonder what python books have on the cover hehe 13:07 lissobone what's the other word for a camel 13:08 lissobone Hold on, what are dromedaries doing in Central Australia? 13:10 MTDiscord Germany :V 13:10 MTDiscord I studied this language at school, but I slept in the lessons so the language 13:11 erle german is simple 13:11 erle you can get by with one word mostly 13:11 erle “nein” 13:11 erle it's the most important german word 13:11 erle if you want to be polite, use ”nein danke” 13:11 lissobone But... what about "Ja"? 13:11 MTDiscord I know what mean this word .. 13:11 erle not as important 13:12 MTDiscord Ja - yes, nein - no... 13:12 MTDiscord Maybe 13:12 erle using NEIN you can start a conflict with bystanders (who ask you to move out of the way) 13:12 MTDiscord If I do not wrong 13:12 erle you can tell someone to get lost 13:12 erle you can repeat it to appear unhinged 13:12 erle it is really flexible, like “fuck” in english or “kurwa” in polish 13:12 Thelie erle, what about "tja"? 13:13 erle Thelie tja is only useful if you manage to have a condescending tone and the situation fits 13:13 erle like someone getting hoist by their own petard or how french people say itd 13:13 MTDiscord And let's communicate in the international language: English... 13:13 erle NEIN 13:13 MTDiscord Oof 13:13 MTDiscord Ok 13:13 Thelie I also frequently use it as the verbal equivalent of 🤷 13:14 erle Thelie yeah but shrugging is not always applicable 13:14 erle NEIN on the other hand, is 13:14 lissobone We all know that the international language is pidgin. 13:14 erle the international language? you mean a … lingua … franca? 13:14 erle like, latin 13:14 Thelie Fair enough 13:15 MTDiscord lissobone: Yes, but English is used more often 13:16 MTDiscord I didn’t mean international, but the language that is used in most games and gaming communities 13:17 MTDiscord Not in all, but often used 13:18 lissobone Spanish? 13:18 MTDiscord English... 13:18 MTDiscord But ok 13:19 lissobone Spanish has 100 million more native speakers than English. 13:20 MTDiscord yeah 13:20 MTDiscord But most of the time everyone speaks English... 13:20 lissobone Biased. 13:20 MTDiscord I mean in game 13:20 MTDiscord Games* 13:21 lissobone That's due to the fact that you are trapped in your English bubble, blind to the outside. 13:21 MTDiscord Alas, I cannot brag about my English skills, because they are bad 13:22 MTDiscord Maybe 13:23 MTDiscord But people more often speak two languages, in their native language and in English ... 13:23 MTDiscord Or they don't speak English at all 13:23 lissobone People more often speak Spanish. 13:23 MTDiscord XD 13:23 MTDiscord I agree 13:50 lissobone erle: frankly speaking, I love your website. 13:51 erle lissobone, which one 13:52 erle lissobone is it the dating profile? ;) 13:52 erle i made all the SVG animations by hand 13:57 lissobone No, I haven't even seen the dating profile yet. 13:59 lissobone Now I've seen it. Now I've seen everything. 14:00 lissobone Hold on, I just remembered about the existance of the mouse and realized that the lizards are interactive. Along with other funny hacky things. 14:00 lissobone The lizards remind me of the ones from Hyperrogue when they go docile and become the floor. 14:02 erle yes 14:02 erle they are called reptiles 14:02 erle rep-tiles 14:02 erle it's a joke 14:03 erle lissobone the reptiles come from this painting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptiles_(M._C._Escher) 14:04 lissobone Looks like they both (your and hyperrogue's) were borrowed from the same litograph print. 14:04 erle lissobone the spider making a web is also interactive. it falls down, changing the pic a bit ;) 14:05 lissobone What if I wait for the spider to finish the web? 14:06 erle then it will finish the web 14:06 lissobone It has finished the web. Successfully. 14:06 erle if you ever need advice for declarative CSS or SVG animations, ask away 14:06 erle SVG is amazing 14:07 lissobone It appears that the spider prefers to go towards the middles of web strings. This forms a nice pattern. 14:07 lissobone Hold up, web strings... There's something to it. 14:09 lissobone I like the social network list. 14:09 erle hehe 14:12 lissobone And the bottom of the page just summarizes it. 14:13 lissobone Or maybe not summarizes but finishes it well. 14:19 erle lissobone, do you have a website 14:30 [MTMatrix] Possible UDP <- TCP -> UDP relay? 14:47 lissobone (Back from observing the stars.) 14:48 erle lissobone, oh you are far away, it is almost midnight 14:48 erle i am in berlin and wondered 14:49 lissobone No, I have never owned an actually useful website. I attempted to do something fun with friendz in 2020 and routed it through tor, but the laptop had suffered a very unexpected death. 14:49 lissobone But I once made a website for my friend as a birthday surprise. 14:50 lissobone Contrary to your smooth SVG animations, I drew stuff by hand in GIMP. 14:50 lissobone Unfortunately, she never got to see it. 14:51 erle oh no 14:51 erle why 14:51 erle lissobone the svg thing is easy to learn! 14:52 lissobone Just like one can learn programming by studying the source code of other useful programs, one can learn SVG likewise. 14:53 [MTMatrix] https://git.phreedom.club/localhost_frssoft/frssoft-site/src/branch/main/imgs inkscape :D 14:55 lissobone The "Regularny Wyrazennya" up there sort of scares me. I've always wondered how do our good old hacky terms sound in Russian. 14:56 lissobone I can't describe this vibe, but it's weird. 14:58 MTDiscord Ohh, you re too Russian... 14:58 lissobone Who told you I am? 14:59 lissobone oh no 14:59 [MTMatrix] It's me, sorry for that. 14:59 lissobone oh no there's russian in the source code too 14:59 MTDiscord Its not for you lissobone 15:00 lissobone For a moment I thought that you were the same person, just oddly writing from Matrix and Discord at the same time. 15:00 MTDiscord I don't know if Discord didn't recognize this person's name correctly or if it's the name 15:01 MTDiscord The guy with nickname "localhost" here 15:02 [MTMatrix] my nick frssoft, but for easy reading is localhost pseudonime 15:03 MTDiscord Okay 15:03 MTDiscord What the best chat for IRC? 15:03 lissobone Not sure what you mean by "chat", but the best client is obviously the one written in Emacs Lisp. 15:03 MTDiscord (For me Emacs is bad) 15:04 [MTMatrix] I'm not sits on DS - ds is not good. IRC, Jabber, Matrix - is cool 15:04 MTDiscord I mean client 15:04 lissobone Maybe you're just bad for Emacs. 15:04 [MTMatrix] vim 15:04 [MTMatrix] :D 15:04 MTDiscord Yea, i need comfortable interface, i make it or find good client 15:05 MTDiscord finding* 15:05 lissobone localhost: The peasants' text editor, isn't it? 15:05 MTDiscord Im sorry, my English is bad 15:05 [MTMatrix] same 15:06 [MTMatrix] Selector with "English (custom)" 15:06 lissobone I take my words back; you can't possibly be bad for Emacs because the Church of Emacs always warmly welcomes new faithful members. 15:06 MTDiscord Doesn't IRC support Russian letters? 15:07 [MTMatrix] Just 2 bytes instead 1 bytes on en 15:07 lissobone It supports whatever data, IRC clients just interpret it as text in a certain encoding. 15:07 lissobone There's even Voice over IRC. 15:07 [MTMatrix] Voice over IRC - mumble :3 15:08 [MTMatrix] oh noes. offtopic 👀 15:08 MTDiscord lissobone: Russian proverb "the word is not a sparrow, you won't catch it" (I think it's better not to translate Russian proverbs into English) 15:11 MTDiscord Here the proverb “what is written with a feast cannot be cut down with an ax” would rather come up .... 15:13 MTDiscord Well, I don't know how to translate it better 15:55 MinetestBot 02[git] 04grorp -> 03minetest/minetest: Higher default graphics settings on Android (#13780) 1395056f9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/95056f97830a85b2f6b0bb07dc3579e30daa3bfc (152023-09-07T15:55:11Z) 16:00 [MTMatrix] oh... 16:01 [MTMatrix] potato android phones be like: *dies* 16:02 lissobone My friends' phones reportetly heat up a lot when playing minetest. 16:03 [MTMatrix] but ultra-low graphics settings is blazing fast for potato PC's 16:05 [MTMatrix] also, in my case I set occlusuon_culler to loops, is more fast on celeron 16:05 MTDiscord The PR only enabled smooth lighting and 3D clouds by default, so it shouldn't make much of a performance difference, even on low-end phones. 16:06 [MTMatrix] okay 17:29 erle celeron55 i read this and i wondered, have you ever read the ”the seven turrets of babel” paper? if not, i recommend it https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13784#issuecomment-1708341652 21:06 hare_hare_yukai i've never installed gnu/linux 21:07 ROllerozxa neither has RMS, from what I've heard 21:08 hare_hare_yukai RMS, thats me 21:08 hare_hare_yukai proof: i've never installed gnu/linux 21:09 erle i have never installed gun/linux 21:10 hare_hare_yukai gun/linux, my favourite operating system 21:20 hare_hare_yukai WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DO 21:24 celeron55 it's somewhat unclear what your goal is 21:27 hare_hare_yukai my goal is to become richard stallman 21:28 MTDiscord Then you first need to drop the M. 21:30 hare_hare_yukai i dont know what dropping the M means but im sure of one thing 21:30 hare_hare_yukai i've never installed gnu/linux 21:30 erle richard minetest stallman 21:30 hare_hare_yukai richard minetest stallman, thats me 21:30 erle i met stallman once and asked him about free hardware 21:30 erle his response was basically, well the foundry can put whatever into the board or chip or so 21:31 erle and we have used proprietary processors for 40 years 21:31 erle so free hardware is uninteresting to him “unless we get star-trek style replicators” IIRC 21:31 erle i do disagree here 21:32 hare_hare_yukai we need some billionaire because actually making CPUs isnt a small task 21:33 hare_hare_yukai i mean is* 21:33 hare_hare_yukai bleah 21:33 hare_hare_yukai wait im drunk 21:33 celeron55 the rom capacities on chips can be huge and those can contain entire operating systems, maybe stallman's opinion is based on the difficulty of controlling it or maybe he's just more into applications than operating systems 21:33 hare_hare_yukai well im drunk 21:33 MTDiscord hi drunk, i'm luatic 21:33 hare_hare_yukai hi luatic, im richard stallman