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Valeria22 |
I'm trying to use Mineclone 2 on Minetest 5.6.1 on Debian 12. It works but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to use custom skins. |
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gera |
Bombo: try installing necessary irrlicht-mt version system-wide, then building minetest |
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Helmut1 |
Messi < Ronaldo |
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s20 |
Very minetesty |
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independent56 |
I found the design document for a mod idea i had back in 2020 |
| 12:43 |
independent56 |
https://rentry.co/uqudv |
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independent56 |
Do you think it'd be useful or is it a waste of effort? It's inspired by UK legislation to some extent. |
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calcul0n |
i like the extinguisher, might be cool if you can't remove fire by just punching it anymore |
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calcul0n |
for the mod it would be interesting if there's a real risk of accidental fire |
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calcul0n |
which is the case in mineclone and it's very annoying :) |
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independent56 |
yeah, i'm thinking of that |
| 12:51 |
independent56 |
A complement mod adding fire classes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_extinguisher#United_Kingdom |
| 12:51 |
independent56 |
For example, technic cables sometimes catch fire, which needs dry powder or carbon dioxide |
| 12:52 |
independent56 |
Or maybe you've made a structure out of magnesium. Whoops! you need class d powder! |
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independent56 |
(if you use the wrong extinguisher, there might be an explosion in the case of water and oil, or electrocution for those near water and technic |
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calcul0n |
lol, sounds fun :) |
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independent56 |
I'll be splitting functionality; the fire-starter mod adds the extinguisher danger and random fires, but the fire-safety mod will add fire detection and removal extinguishers |
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TLuna |
It's obscure to me how random fires can be made not frustrating; i think, rules of it could be very different for different games |
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independent56 |
By implementing appropiate fire safety systems |
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independent56 |
;) |
| 13:09 |
independent56 |
I've come up with the extinguisher rectivity chart |
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independent56 |
https://rentry.co/98co3 |
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independent56 |
(spicy is a synonym to "things on fire") |
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independent56 |
anyways, gtg |
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independent56 |
I want to send digiline messages when i detect fire. I can't seem to detect fire nor figure out digilines |
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independent56 |
https://pastebin.com/BAdF1bmQ has the important bits of the code |
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independent56 |
Specifically the on_timer callback won't send fire messages, even after 3 seconds of waiting |
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independent56 |
Digilines also seems not to touch the node |
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independent56 |
Ok, so i managed to get digilines to connect now |
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independent56 |
oh, i managed to get the node timer working |
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calcul0n |
i think you must restart the timer after on_timer also |
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independent56 |
yes, thats how i managed to get it working. |
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calcul0n |
ah ok |
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independent56 |
You see, i'm a complete |
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independent56 |
noob |
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* independent56 |
can't even use the keyboard properly |
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calcul0n |
digiline is not easy, that's a good start :) |
| 15:03 |
independent56 |
thanks so much |
| 15:03 |
independent56 |
I actually started yesterday by stealing digilines's RTC code and changing it to do HTML requests |
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independent56 |
I plant to make a more full-featured mod leter, including a node that does jquery's $(event.msg).text() |
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independent56 |
(forgive my mixing of Lua and JS cross my heart and hope to die) |
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independent56 |
So you send "#idOfElement" and then get the text of that element. I wonder if i can return it using regex... |
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calcul0n |
lua has builtin support for regex if that's the question |
| 15:07 |
independent56 |
On a related note, i'd like to request that my mod be put on the fast-track approval queue so i can show the minetest community that i'm not a lazy slob who dosen't give back (as sated on my user page on the wiki) https://content.minetest.net/packages/56independent/httpblock/ |
| 15:10 |
independent56 |
https://wiki.minetest.net/User:56independent_actual says "This is the userpage of 56independent, a fat old slob which often does not give back what they've taken from the Minetest community." |
| 15:12 |
ROllerozxa |
(we don't have a fast-track approval queue) |
| 15:13 |
independent56 |
By protocol RX-56 subsection 5 i would like to request that one be made |
| 15:13 |
independent56 |
Full name: "Minetest community and developer communications agreement" |
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* independent56 |
would like to roleplay that Minetest is some boring beurocratic propietary program full of beurocracy and with long communication chains for "work experience" |
| 15:15 |
ROllerozxa |
actually, the fast-track approval queue is getting the licensing stuff done the first time so approval is as simple as pressing the approve button |
| 15:16 |
independent56 |
didn't i already do that? |
| 15:17 |
independent56 |
Yeah, the readme and contentdb page matches |
| 15:18 |
ROllerozxa |
mhh |
| 15:19 |
ROllerozxa |
anyways fix it up quick so I can approve it before I go to eat dinner |
| 15:20 |
independent56 |
Thank you very much for taking the effort of checking |
| 15:24 |
independent56 |
I think i've fixed it https://gitlab.com/56independent/httpblock/-/commit/844a14c19da890ab3255b15aed3f1621945eb417 |
| 15:24 |
independent56 |
Damn, i got the name wrong |
| 15:24 |
independent56 |
(your name) |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> This work is free to use under the terms of the Rollerozxa Can Eat Public License. |
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independent56 |
Freedom to the approvers! |
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ROllerozxa |
heh dw about the misspelling, it's approved now |
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independent56 |
thanks lot! |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> re: "fast track approval queue", there is one: it's the only queue right now. It used to take several days to get reviewed, but now responses can be within hours or even minutes. |
| 15:28 |
independent56 |
As soon as fire_safety is ready to published, i'll go back and have a crack at implementing the HTML selectors to make it more useful |
| 15:28 |
independent56 |
I don't want to force users to parse HTML with regex |
| 15:29 |
independent56 |
Remember what happened last time someone asked how to do that? |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> cue that classic stack overflow answer... |
| 15:29 |
independent56 |
exactly |
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ROllerozxa |
how to parse HTML: `pip install beautifulsoup4` (and a little bit of regex because reading BS4's docs is too much work) |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Or just use htmltidy to convert it to xhtml and then use an xml reader (I've found xml readers to be more common and robust than html ones) |
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independent56 |
it's for a minetest mod |
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independent56 |
Because getting raw HTML is useless without processing. |
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independent56 |
Maybe i make a chromium-based HTML parser screen for minetest.... |
| 15:44 |
independent56 |
You can never have too much lag! |
| 15:44 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> you can use a headless chromium instance to render it to pdf, then conver the pdf to an image, and load the image into image-recognition AI and ask it questions about what it sees in the image. |
| 15:45 |
independent56 |
yes |
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independent56 |
but we're not at microsoft |
| 15:46 |
independent56 |
Anyways, my block is connected to an LCD. It does print that it detected fire and that the channel is equal to that of the LCD, but i don't see the message "fire". |
| 15:46 |
independent56 |
https://pastebin.com/Jf1R4rGP |
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ROllerozxa |
oh I see, it was in the context of a minetest mod. I was mostly joking :P (albeit BS4 do be good for quickly writing up a script to extract data from scraped HTML pages in bulk) |
| 15:54 |
Valeria22 |
Does anyone familiar with Mineclone 2 know how to add custom skins to it? |
| 15:57 |
mmuller |
Valeria22: I can't give an authoritative answer, but have you tried just downloading and enabling a skins mod? |
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mmuller |
e.g. https://content.minetest.net/packages/TenPlus1/simple_skins/ |
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mmuller |
If that's incompatible with MC2, you might want to ask on #mineclone2 |
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Valeria22 |
I've tried SkinsDB but Mineclone lacks player_api I can try simple skins though |
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Valeria22 |
Simple skins also doesn't work with mineclone 2. I'll ask in the channel. |
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independent56 |
Can anyone explain why i can't load the textures when i added fire_safety_ to the beggining of them? |
| 16:23 |
independent56 |
https://pastebin.com/9AtJajeC |
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independent56 |
Oh wait, turns out i had a duplicate mod confusing things |
| 16:27 |
Valeria22 |
So I did find a way on my own for skins in Mineclone2. I had to get mcl_custom_skins from a git archive and use a 64x32 skin. Not ideal given I wanted to use 64x64 skins, but I'll take what I can get. |
| 16:52 |
independent56 |
I have a question: I've been able to detect fires and enter the conditional, but the digiline message for some reason fails to send. The pos is correct, the channel is correct, but the message won't show on any LCD i've connected to the channel. https://pastebin.com/Jf1R4rGP |
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independent56 |
it's some mod code i've made |
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jonadab |
Oh, I think that's a different digiline send API than the one I'm familiar with from luacontrollers. |
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independent56 |
A bit of a dumb question but is the pos in on_punch the pos of the player? If so, how do i get the pos of the node |
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independent56 |
I have funciton digiline:receptor_send(pos, digiline.rules.default, setchan, "fire") which needs an accurate position |
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independent56 |
seems like it does give the node position |
| 19:09 |
independent56 |
i know this is a big ask, but is it possible to have refraction effects in air in minetest? |
| 19:09 |
independent56 |
Like you know how heat makes those shimmering air effects? |
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sfan5 |
which on_punch? |
| 19:13 |
independent56 |
The node one |
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sfan5 |
it's the node pos then |
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sfan5 |
if you need the player's pos check the `puncher` ObjectRef |
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independent56 |
Thanks |
| 19:14 |
independent56 |
Could you help me figure out why it fails then? https://pastebin.com/pN7pMyPR |
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independent56 |
You see, i'm not the best at mod programming |
| 19:22 |
independent56 |
could it be related to the z of the pos? |
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calcul0n |
ah, digilines trickery: it's digilines.func or digiline:func |
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calcul0n |
the first is better, digilines.receptor_send... |
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calcul0n |
see https://github.com/minetest-mods/digilines/blob/722ff851dd4893b9536908f5377070f070b06914/init.lua#L4 |
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independent56 |
that's just flown over my head |
| 19:27 |
independent56 |
oh i get it now |
| 19:27 |
independent56 |
a:d -> a.d |
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independent56 |
With digilines. receptor_send(pos, rules, setchan, "fire") i don't see the message coming up on the LCD |
| 19:28 |
independent56 |
whoa |
| 19:28 |
independent56 |
my indentation is broken |
| 19:28 |
independent56 |
Is there anything i'm supposed to change in the arguments department? Is the a self which needs to sneak in? |
| 19:29 |
calcul0n |
i see nothing wrong now, are you sure the lcd is correctly plugged and configured with the right channel? |
| 19:30 |
independent56 |
Yes. The buttons set to the same channel work |
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independent56 |
digiline:receptor_send(pos,digistuff.button_get_rules(node),meta:get_string("channel"),value) |
| 19:30 |
independent56 |
That's their sending |
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calcul0n |
hmm i can't tell, that's weird |
| 19:38 |
independent56 |
Here's the full code should you need it: https://pastebin.com/NYcem86g |
| 19:39 |
independent56 |
`rules` has been moved to `init.lua` |
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calcul0n |
ho maybe you're just avtivating the digistuff button when you punch your node |
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calcul0n |
as they have the same channel |
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independent56 |
? |
| 19:44 |
independent56 |
The LCD; diigistuff button, and firebox all have the same channel |
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independent56 |
I don't see how that inteferes |
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calcul0n |
i mean the message sent by the node is caught by the button so the button resets the screen again |
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calcul0n |
not sure i'm clear :) |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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calcul0n |
but just try to remove the button maybe |
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independent56 |
yeah i'm trying |
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independent56 |
nope |
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calcul0n |
erf |
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calcul0n |
rules is not set in the full code you just sent, is it set elsewhere? |
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calcul0n |
in fact you can use digilines.rules.default directly |
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independent56 |
as i said, it's in init.lua |
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independent56 |
https://pastebin.com/rpvxeZtP |
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calcul0n |
it's not a good idea to make it global, it could interfere with other mods |
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calcul0n |
could also be modified behind your back |
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independent56 |
well, GTG |
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independent56 |
i'll be back soon. |
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independent56 |
Let's say i was to make a game so horrific and horrifying using psychological horror that players are left reeling for weeks. Where would i be allowed to publish it? |
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independent56 |
Can i do it on contentDB given the horror tag? |
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independent56 |
Maybe even players with experience in handling horror wors |
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independent56 |
*works |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> you can do it on cdb (read the rules) with the horror tag, it just wont be shown on android iirc |
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independent56 |
because android is used by babies /j |
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independent56 |
wow |
| 22:25 |
independent56 |
gore, horror, violence, and drugs apply to my game design |
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independent56 |
i've written out a plot which i might use, but i'm not sure if i will, just so you can get an idea what i'm thinking |
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independent56 |
https://rentry.co/eyu52 |
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