Time  Nick            Message
00:03 Valeria22       I'm trying to use Mineclone 2 on Minetest 5.6.1 on Debian 12. It works but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to use custom skins.
08:36 gera            Bombo: try installing necessary irrlicht-mt version system-wide, then building minetest
12:07 Helmut1         Messi < Ronaldo
12:08 s20             Very minetesty
12:43 independent56   I found the design document for a mod idea i had back in 2020
12:43 independent56   https://rentry.co/uqudv
12:43 independent56   Do you think it'd be useful or is it a waste of effort? It's inspired by UK legislation to some extent.
12:49 calcul0n        i like the extinguisher, might be cool if you can't remove fire by just punching it anymore
12:50 calcul0n        for the mod it would be interesting if there's a real risk of accidental fire
12:50 calcul0n        which is the case in mineclone and it's very annoying :)
12:50 independent56   yeah, i'm thinking of that
12:51 independent56   A complement mod adding fire classes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_extinguisher#United_Kingdom
12:51 independent56   For example, technic cables sometimes catch fire, which needs dry powder or carbon dioxide
12:52 independent56   Or maybe you've made a structure out of magnesium. Whoops! you need class d powder!
12:53 independent56   (if you use the wrong extinguisher, there might be an explosion in the case of water and oil, or electrocution for those near water and technic
12:54 calcul0n        lol, sounds fun :)
12:57 independent56   I'll be splitting functionality; the fire-starter mod adds the extinguisher danger and random fires, but the fire-safety mod will add fire detection and removal extinguishers
13:04 TLuna           It's obscure to me how random fires can be made not frustrating; i think, rules of it could be very different for different games
13:06 independent56   By implementing appropiate fire safety systems
13:06 independent56   ;)
13:09 independent56   I've come up with the extinguisher rectivity chart
13:09 independent56   https://rentry.co/98co3
13:09 independent56   (spicy is a synonym to "things on fire")
13:20 independent56   anyways, gtg
14:47 independent56   I want to send digiline messages when i detect fire. I can't seem to detect fire nor figure out digilines
14:48 independent56   https://pastebin.com/BAdF1bmQ has the important bits of the code
14:48 independent56   Specifically the on_timer callback won't send fire messages, even after 3 seconds of waiting
14:49 independent56   Digilines also seems not to touch the node
14:55 independent56   Ok, so i managed to get digilines to connect now
14:55 independent56   oh, i managed to get the node timer working
14:57 calcul0n        i think you must restart the timer after on_timer also
14:58 independent56   yes, thats how i managed to get it working.
14:58 calcul0n        ah ok
14:58 independent56   You see, i'm a complete
14:58 independent56   noob
14:58 * independent56 can't even use the keyboard properly
15:02 calcul0n        digiline is not easy, that's a good start :)
15:03 independent56   thanks so much
15:03 independent56   I actually started yesterday by stealing digilines's RTC code and changing it to do HTML requests
15:04 independent56   I plant to make a more full-featured mod leter, including a node that does jquery's $(event.msg).text()
15:04 independent56   (forgive my mixing of Lua and JS cross my heart and hope to die)
15:05 independent56   So you send "#idOfElement" and then get the text of that element. I wonder if i can return it using regex...
15:07 calcul0n        lua has builtin support for regex if that's the question
15:07 independent56   On a related note, i'd like to request that my mod be put on the fast-track approval queue so i can show the minetest community that i'm not a lazy slob who dosen't give back (as sated on my user page on the wiki) https://content.minetest.net/packages/56independent/httpblock/
15:10 independent56   https://wiki.minetest.net/User:56independent_actual says "This is the userpage of 56independent, a fat old slob which often does not give back what they've taken from the Minetest community."
15:12 ROllerozxa      (we don't have a fast-track approval queue)
15:13 independent56   By protocol RX-56 subsection 5 i would like to request that one be made
15:13 independent56   Full name: "Minetest community and developer communications agreement"
15:14 * independent56 would like to roleplay that Minetest is some boring beurocratic propietary program full of beurocracy and with long communication chains for "work experience"
15:15 ROllerozxa      actually, the fast-track approval queue is getting the licensing stuff done the first time so approval is as simple as pressing the approve button
15:16 independent56   didn't i already do that?
15:17 independent56   Yeah, the readme and contentdb page matches
15:18 ROllerozxa      mhh
15:19 ROllerozxa      anyways fix it up quick so I can approve it before I go to eat dinner
15:20 independent56   Thank you very much for taking the effort of checking
15:24 independent56   I think i've fixed it https://gitlab.com/56independent/httpblock/-/commit/844a14c19da890ab3255b15aed3f1621945eb417
15:24 independent56   Damn, i got the name wrong
15:24 independent56   (your name)
15:26 MTDiscord       <warr1024> This work is free to use under the terms of the Rollerozxa Can Eat Public License.
15:26 independent56   Freedom to the approvers!
15:27 ROllerozxa      heh dw about the misspelling, it's approved now
15:27 independent56   thanks  lot!
15:28 MTDiscord       <warr1024> re: "fast track approval queue", there is one: it's the only queue right now.  It used to take several days to get reviewed, but now responses can be within hours or even minutes.
15:28 independent56   As soon as fire_safety is ready to published, i'll go back and have a crack at implementing the HTML selectors to make it more useful
15:28 independent56   I don't want to force users to parse HTML with regex
15:29 independent56   Remember what happened last time someone asked how to do that?
15:29 MTDiscord       <warr1024> cue that classic stack overflow answer...
15:29 independent56   exactly
15:41 ROllerozxa      how to parse HTML: `pip install beautifulsoup4` (and a little bit of regex because reading BS4's docs is too much work)
15:42 MTDiscord       <warr1024> Or just use htmltidy to convert it to xhtml and then use an xml reader (I've found xml readers to be more common and robust than html ones)
15:43 independent56   it's for a minetest mod
15:43 independent56   Because getting raw HTML is useless without processing.
15:43 independent56   Maybe i make a chromium-based HTML parser screen for minetest....
15:44 independent56   You can never have too much lag!
15:44 MTDiscord       <warr1024> you can use a headless chromium instance to render it to pdf, then conver the pdf to an image, and load the image into image-recognition AI and ask it questions about what it sees in the image.
15:45 independent56   yes
15:45 independent56   but we're not at microsoft
15:46 independent56   Anyways, my block is connected to an LCD. It does print that it detected fire and that the channel is equal to that of the LCD, but i don't see the message "fire".
15:46 independent56   https://pastebin.com/Jf1R4rGP
15:46 ROllerozxa      oh I see, it was in the context of a minetest mod. I was mostly joking :P (albeit BS4 do be good for quickly writing up a script to extract data from scraped HTML pages in bulk)
15:54 Valeria22       Does anyone familiar with Mineclone 2 know how to add custom skins to it?
15:57 mmuller         Valeria22: I can't give an authoritative answer, but have you tried just downloading and enabling a skins mod?
15:57 mmuller         e.g. https://content.minetest.net/packages/TenPlus1/simple_skins/
15:58 mmuller         If that's incompatible with MC2, you might want to ask on #mineclone2
15:58 Valeria22       I've tried SkinsDB but Mineclone lacks player_api I can try simple skins though
16:01 Valeria22       Simple skins also doesn't work with mineclone 2. I'll ask in the channel.
16:23 independent56   Can anyone explain why i can't load the textures when i added fire_safety_ to the beggining of them?
16:23 independent56   https://pastebin.com/9AtJajeC
16:25 independent56   Oh wait, turns out i had a duplicate mod confusing things
16:27 Valeria22       So I did find a way on my own for skins in Mineclone2. I had to get mcl_custom_skins from a git archive and use a 64x32 skin. Not ideal given I wanted to use 64x64 skins, but I'll take what I can get.
16:52 independent56   I have a question: I've been able to detect fires and enter the conditional, but the digiline message for some reason fails to send. The pos is correct, the channel is correct, but the message won't show on any LCD i've connected to the channel. https://pastebin.com/Jf1R4rGP
16:52 independent56   it's some mod code i've made
17:35 jonadab         Oh, I think that's a different digiline send API than the one I'm familiar with from luacontrollers.
18:56 independent56   A bit of a dumb question but is the pos in on_punch the pos of the player? If so, how do i get the pos of the node
18:56 independent56   I have funciton             digiline:receptor_send(pos, digiline.rules.default, setchan, "fire") which needs an accurate position
19:05 independent56   seems like it does give the node position
19:09 independent56   i know this is a big ask, but is it possible to have refraction effects in air in minetest?
19:09 independent56   Like you know how heat makes those shimmering air effects?
19:13 sfan5           which on_punch?
19:13 independent56   The node one
19:14 sfan5           it's the node pos then
19:14 sfan5           if you need the player's pos check the `puncher` ObjectRef
19:14 independent56   Thanks
19:14 independent56   Could you help me figure out why it fails then? https://pastebin.com/pN7pMyPR
19:18 independent56   You see, i'm not the best at mod programming
19:22 independent56   could it be related to the z of the pos?
19:24 calcul0n        ah, digilines trickery: it's digilines.func or digiline:func
19:24 calcul0n        the first is better, digilines.receptor_send...
19:25 calcul0n        see https://github.com/minetest-mods/digilines/blob/722ff851dd4893b9536908f5377070f070b06914/init.lua#L4
19:26 independent56   that's just flown over my head
19:27 independent56   oh i get it now
19:27 independent56   a:d -> a.d
19:28 independent56   With digilines.                                                                                                                                                                                          receptor_send(pos, rules, setchan, "fire") i don't see the message coming up on the LCD
19:28 independent56   whoa
19:28 independent56   my indentation is broken
19:28 independent56   Is there anything i'm supposed to change in the arguments department? Is the a self which needs to sneak in?
19:29 calcul0n        i see nothing wrong now, are you sure the lcd is correctly plugged and configured with the right channel?
19:30 independent56   Yes. The buttons set to the same channel work
19:30 independent56   digiline:receptor_send(pos,digistuff.button_get_rules(node),meta:get_string("channel"),value)
19:30 independent56   That's their sending
19:37 calcul0n        hmm i can't tell, that's weird
19:38 independent56   Here's the full code should you need it: https://pastebin.com/NYcem86g
19:39 independent56   `rules` has been moved to `init.lua`
19:43 calcul0n        ho maybe you're just avtivating the digistuff button when you punch your node
19:43 calcul0n        as they have the same channel
19:44 independent56   ?
19:44 independent56   The LCD; diigistuff button, and firebox all have the same channel
19:44 independent56   I don't see how that inteferes
19:44 calcul0n        i mean the message sent by the node is caught by the button so the button resets the screen again
19:44 calcul0n        not sure i'm clear :)
19:45 independent56   hmm
19:45 calcul0n        but just try to remove the button maybe
19:45 independent56   yeah i'm trying
19:46 independent56   nope
19:47 calcul0n        erf
19:49 calcul0n        rules is not set in the full code you just sent, is it set elsewhere?
19:50 calcul0n        in fact you can use digilines.rules.default directly
19:50 independent56   as i said, it's in init.lua
19:51 independent56   https://pastebin.com/rpvxeZtP
19:54 calcul0n        it's not a good idea to make it global, it could interfere with other mods
19:54 calcul0n        could also be modified behind your back
19:55 independent56   well, GTG
19:55 independent56   i'll be back soon.
22:10 independent56   Let's say i was to make a game so horrific and horrifying using psychological horror that players are left reeling for weeks. Where would i be allowed to publish it?
22:10 independent56   Can i do it on contentDB given the horror tag?
22:10 independent56   Maybe even players with experience in handling horror wors
22:10 independent56   *works
22:23 MTDiscord       <wsor4035> you can do it on cdb (read the rules) with the horror tag, it just wont be shown on android iirc
22:23 independent56   because android is used by babies /j
22:24 independent56   wow
22:25 independent56   gore, horror, violence, and drugs apply to my game design
22:28 independent56   i've written out a plot which i might use, but i'm not sure if i will, just so you can get an idea what i'm thinking
22:28 independent56   https://rentry.co/eyu52