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IRC log for #minetest, 2023-05-14

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01:24 ball For wheat, is 8 ripe?
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02:02 ball I'll watch it for a while and see what happens...
02:29 muurkha yes, 8 is ripe
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03:11 ball Thanks muurkha
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04:08 muurkha sure
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07:02 imi can I convert an ItemStack to "default:gold ingot 9" ?
07:06 calcul0n imi, i think item_stack:to_string() will do
07:06 imi ok thanks
07:06 imi https://minetest.gitlab.io/minetest/class-reference/#methods_2 -- is this up-to-date? safe to use?
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08:32 Guest40 hi
08:33 Guest40 how do i make a server?
08:35 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> https://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server
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08:57 s20 Hallo. I am just testing HexChat
08:58 MTDiscord <s20> :D
08:58 s20 It works
08:58 s20 Oh. So it takes the user icon if the name matches their discord username/nick?
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12:43 Thresher yes
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14:27 ball My son needs a Minetest update.
14:27 MTDiscord <Thresher> https://www.minetest.net/downloads
14:31 ball Thanks, almost got it from the wrong place.
14:32 MTDiscord <Thresher> where were you getting it from?
14:33 ball Well the one he has now came through (the repositories associated with?) his Linux distribution.
14:34 MTDiscord <Thresher> is it minetest/minetest?
14:34 ball For the update I was looking at minetest.org but that seemed odd.
14:34 MTDiscord <Thresher> thats the official repository
14:34 ball minetest.net looks better.
14:34 ROllerozxa minetest.org is not official, you should *not* download from there
14:34 MTDiscord <Thresher> iirc, minetest.org was made by a bad community member (the site may log your ip and such)
14:35 ball Now I'm trying to figure out what Debian his Raspberry Pi OS is made from
14:35 MTDiscord <Thresher> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=18946
14:36 Blockhead256[m] minetest.org "final Minetest"
14:36 Blockhead256[m] is Minetest done? no? that's right
14:36 Blockhead256[m] so why would you want the "final" version?
14:36 Blockhead256[m] there, debunked with FACTS and LOGIC
14:36 Blockhead256[m] (big /silly in case anyone is wondering)
14:36 ball Blockhead256[m]: It did look suspicious.
14:37 ROllerozxa I don't know whether the final minetest binaries are malicious in themselves, but I would definitively not want to use them (it's a fork of an old 0.4 version)
14:37 ball Hang on, let me check in #raspberrypi for his OS
14:37 ROllerozxa if you are on a stability by obsolesence distro there are a number of ways to obtain a newer version of minetest. the easiest might actually be to compile from source, but you can also fiddle with PPAs or flatpak
14:37 ball I have Minetest 5.4.1 on my own computer.
14:37 MTDiscord <Thresher> old minetest distro < malicious minetest distro
14:37 MTDiscord <Thresher> ^ (joke)
14:37 ROllerozxa minetest 5.7.0 is the latest
14:38 MTDiscord <Thresher> the latest minetest version is 5.7.0
14:38 potatoxel[m] tomatotest c:
14:38 Blockhead256[m] OldCoder sucks, but I wouldn't say the software is malicious. Just the intent to divide by forking with it.
14:38 MTDiscord <Thresher> sussycraft ūüė≥
14:38 Blockhead256[m] even Multicraft is dropping 0.4
14:38 ROllerozxa good riddance for 0.4
14:39 ROllerozxa it's like those freaks who are still on windows 7
14:39 MTDiscord <Thresher> i mean... its not that bad
14:39 * Blockhead256[m] whistles innocently
14:39 * Blockhead256[m] It's okay, it only gets booted a few times per year
14:40 MTDiscord <Thresher> minetest 5.8.0: we are dropping support for windows
14:40 ball Looks like I might be able to get him 5.3.0
14:40 MTDiscord <Thresher> why not 5.7?
14:40 ROllerozxa just compile from source
14:40 MTDiscord <Thresher> he is using raspberry pi
14:40 MTDiscord <Thresher> there are compiling scripts all over the forums and readmes, copy one
14:41 ROllerozxa and? I've compiled minetest from source on my pi too
14:41 ROllerozxa it can just take a while
14:41 ROllerozxa read a book or go for a walk or something
14:41 MTDiscord <Thresher> so its easier to compile on than windows
14:42 ROllerozxa btw re: windows 7, did the windows explorer image preview RCE ever get patched
14:42 ROllerozxa I don't think it did, considering news about it came out after EOL
14:42 MTDiscord <Thresher> speaking of explorer...
14:42 MTDiscord <Thresher> microsoft was talking about adding ads to it earlier
14:42 ROllerozxa LOL
14:42 ROllerozxa doesn't windows already have ads crammed everywhere now?
14:43 Desour see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/compiling/linux.md for compilation instructions
14:43 MTDiscord <Thresher> only in the start menu
14:43 MTDiscord <Thresher> i dont get any ads (windows 11) because im using an oprekin distro
14:44 MTDiscord <Thresher> oprekin rips all of the bloat out of windows (and then some) and gives away the final iso
14:44 ball I built mine from source but pkgsrc isn't all that up to date.
14:44 MTDiscord <Thresher> sudo apt update
14:44 ball On his I should be able to use a binary package
14:44 ROllerozxa Thresher: that won't work when the official repos contain old versions
14:45 MTDiscord <Thresher> ūüė†
14:45 ROllerozxa (`sudo apt update` doesn't do anything in itself either, only updates the database, `sudo apt upgrade` installs the updated packages)
14:47 * ball sighs
14:47 ball Linux am hard.
14:48 ball I seem to be doing it wrong.
14:49 ball He has "Raspbian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)"
14:51 Blockhead256[m] especially given raspberry pi is on an non-x86 architecture (Arm wasn't it?), the LuaJIT version included with Debian 10 (upon which Raspbian is built) may be too old to nicely run, so that leads to compiling LuaJIT from source too
14:51 Blockhead256[m] it's not that fun, especially on a slow CPU with a slow SD card
14:52 ball I wouldn't be surprised if this were 32-bit.  Raspberry Pi clung to that for a while even after their machines had arm64 cores.
14:52 Blockhead256[m] for performance LuaJIT is always better, but the builtin PUC Lua will work too..
14:52 ROllerozxa raspbian 64-bit is still in beta I believe, so unless you went out of your way to install it you'll be on 32-bit
14:53 MTDiscord <luatic> hopefully the LuaJIT remake project will  go somewhere, it's pretty impressive so far
14:57 ball /proc/cpuinfo reports ARMv7, so that'll be 32-bit.  Pretty sure it's actually a 64-bit chip though.
14:58 ball (though with 4 GB RAM, that might be academic)
14:59 ball Oooh, I think I found it!
15:09 * ball sighs
15:10 ball I don't know how to deb and the package manager just offers me 0.4.17.1
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15:18 Krock debian packages can be ancient. you're best off by either using backports, compiling it yourself or make a debian frankenstein by using PPAs for the ubuntu version that matches best
15:19 ball That would be great if I knew what it meant.
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15:20 ball I found a .deb by following links from minetest.net and Debian but I don't know how to get it installed.
15:21 ingar I got around 20fps on an rpi4
15:21 ball ingar: That's probably more than I get on mine.
15:21 ball (my desktop computer)
15:24 Blockhead256[m] `sudo dpkg -i filename.deb`
15:24 Blockhead256[m] then it will complain if you don't have the dependencies
15:24 ball Thanks
15:26 ball Looks like five libraries missing.
15:26 ball Sorry, four libraries and minetest-data
15:29 ball Let me look for those...
15:32 ball It works!
15:32 ball Minetest 5.3.0
15:32 ball Thank you!
15:34 ball Mine is newer ;-)
15:37 ball We're in the same world!!
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15:55 ball My son *loves* the recipe book.
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18:25 Peter_Lankton can item aliases be changed while the game is running or can they only be registered at startup?
18:26 Krock latter
18:33 Peter_Lankton got it. thx!
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