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| 00:02 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> I decided to take a shot at fixing #11076. So far I have this technically incorrect version: |
| 00:02 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1080278936254156800/image.png |
| 00:06 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> ~issue 11076 |
| 00:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> your in a irc channel.... |
| 00:06 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> No discord bots? |
| 00:06 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> beep boop https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11076 |
| 00:06 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> Display Game and World names in pause / [esc] menu |
| 00:07 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> Thanks |
| 00:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> correct. because theres supposed to be the irc bot.... |
| 00:07 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> hehe, "supposed to be" |
| 00:07 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> Yeah, shadow bot has disappeared a few times |
| 00:07 |
MTDiscord |
<rubenwardy> That one thing should just be done by minetestbot |
| 00:07 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> should I move this to a different channel? |
| 00:08 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> no, this channel is fine |
| 00:08 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> if you want the IRC people to partake ;) |
| 00:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ~issue 11076 |
| 00:08 |
rubenwardy |
So, are you hard coding the text "Game: Mineclone2"? |
| 00:08 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> no |
| 00:08 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> thats just a test |
| 00:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> well, ok, so the embed doesnt show up on irc, going to turn that back off |
| 00:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> done |
| 00:10 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> anyway, I see game and world for sure. Any other suggestions on what I should add to it? |
| 00:11 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1080281083674902588/image.png |
| 00:20 |
rubenwardy |
A motivational haiku |
| 00:20 |
rubenwardy |
Looks good though, single player/host only? |
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MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> I could see about making the game part work with multiplayer, but mainly single player for now |
| 00:28 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> I got it to get the game from the menu_last_game setting atm, but that shouldnt be the official way I think. |
| 00:29 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> and the world name it still...hard coded. |
| 00:30 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> this is going to be a step up in learning from just the simple setting changes in my current open pull request. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] numberZero -> minetest/minetest: Drop dependency on IrrCompileConfig d6be668 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d6be6682ec69706b765ab51863bcd5805a7cbd7d (2023-03-01T08:06:23Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Desour -> minetest/minetest: Document that item_image_button[] name is non-optional 514bf35 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/514bf3582cd8c46176cba2fc0125fbb76c6b33a9 (2023-03-01T08:09:29Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] lynx197 -> minetest/minetest: Add git installation steps for Arch/Alpine to README 8c7276c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8c7276c9d4fc8afa05f859297048c7153cc11f5b (2023-03-01T08:09:58Z) |
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lissobone |
Greetings, comrades. |
| 08:56 |
lissobone |
Tovarischi. |
| 08:57 |
lissobone |
I have recently committed several crimes against humanity. |
| 08:58 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> o.o |
| 08:58 |
lissobone |
Still using Discord? |
| 08:59 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> well I could SSH into my server and connect to my bouncer via weechat but uh |
| 09:00 |
lissobone |
Are you afraid of that? |
| 09:02 |
lissobone |
Have you ever wanted to become a saint? |
| 09:03 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> hmm, St. ROllerozxa... |
| 09:03 |
lissobone |
Is it because of the people you hang around with that you are going through all this? |
| 09:07 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> anyways the reason I'm not connected through IRC is because I can't remember how to use weechat |
| 09:09 |
ROllerozxa |
actually... |
| 09:12 |
ROllerozxa |
Having to switch channels by typing /buffer commands is a bit cumbersome though |
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lissobone |
ROllerozxa: can't remember how to use WeeChat? |
| 09:37 |
lissobone |
That's no big problem. |
| 09:37 |
lissobone |
You can learn how to use Emacs ERC. |
| 09:37 |
lissobone |
ROllerozxa: Also, regarding the curbersomeness, what makes you believe that? |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
<lissobone> "Still using Discord?" <- it's called "freedom to choose platform that you use" |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
in this world, it's better for everyone use whatever they want and connect to interconnected network |
| 10:01 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
instead of trying to force people into one centralized platform (irc) and cut off others |
| 10:03 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
imagine if the centralized platform goes rogue (like what twitter does), of course most people are moving towards fediverse so you can use whatever (mastodon, pleroma, misskey) and still talk to each other |
| 10:03 |
lissobone |
I never forced anyone to use specifically IRC. |
| 10:03 |
lissobone |
There is a reason bridges exist. |
| 10:04 |
lissobone |
However, to become a saint at the Church of Emacs, one has to use holy (wholly) Free Software. |
| 10:05 |
lissobone |
That's one of the reasons I do not want you to use Discord. |
| 10:05 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
> never forced anyone |
| 10:05 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
> has to use |
| 10:05 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
sounds contradictory |
| 10:05 |
lissobone |
Am I forcing to use IRC? |
| 10:06 |
lissobone |
Am I forcing you to use Free Software? |
| 10:06 |
lissobone |
No, but you have the freedom to. |
| 10:07 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
the way you ask other and respond implies you're forcing, even if it's indirectly |
| 10:07 |
lissobone |
I specifically mentioned that you only have to use holy Free Software to become a saint at the Church of Emacs. |
| 10:08 |
lissobone |
Alright, let's count this as forcing. |
| 10:08 |
lissobone |
Is there anything else wrong? |
| 10:09 |
lissobone |
Hold on, I understand the error in my wording. |
| 10:09 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
that 'forcing' itself is what's wrong, if you're so into freedom |
| 10:09 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
your freedom should not impede on someone else's freedom |
| 10:09 |
lissobone |
I am teaching. |
| 10:10 |
lissobone |
By your logic, teachers are forcing their knowledge onto poor students. |
| 10:10 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> the fun fact is that we can in fact move away from discord, provided everybody joins in |
| 10:10 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
the way you write up above doesn't sound like teaching to me |
| 10:11 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> e.g. you can request a thicc data packet of all the data discord has on you, which includes all your messages |
| 10:11 |
lissobone |
lebruhgamer[m]: What makes you think this is so? |
| 10:11 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> if everyone did this, the data packets could be combined to make discord obsolete |
| 10:11 |
lissobone |
luatic: does this make Discord less of a proprietary filth? |
| 10:11 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
lissobone: try to read back what you had written above |
| 10:11 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> lissobone: yesn't |
| 10:12 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> but I kinda regret being "locked into" Discord now, I'm slowly trying to transition to Matrix etc. |
| 10:12 |
lissobone |
Matrix requires nonfree JS to register as of now, but aside from that everything else is fine. |
| 10:12 |
lissobone |
lebruhgamer[m]: Are you sure that try to read back what I had written? |
| 10:13 |
Megaf |
lissobone: What do you mean? I guess that depends on the client and server you are using? |
| 10:13 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
yes, read it, your tone is not like teaching |
| 10:14 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> lissobone: Matrix is just a protocol, it doesn't require JS |
| 10:14 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> do you mean the Element Matrix client? |
| 10:14 |
Megaf |
And why are you arguing over Matrix, Discord and IRC on a Minetest channel? |
| 10:14 |
lissobone |
No, not the Element client. To just register on a server you have to execute nonfree JS code, as far as I know. |
| 10:15 |
Megaf |
Don't like Discord, don't use it. Don't like Matrix, don't use it, simple |
| 10:15 |
lissobone |
Megaf: Because ROllerozxa uses Discord, and I asked him why is this so. |
| 10:15 |
Megaf |
Though I utterly hate Discord and their TOS and I am indeed forced to use it |
| 10:16 |
Megaf |
I am forced to used it, because their TOS says so, I'm not allowed to use other clients to talk on it, even though I could, like Pidgin and Weechat. |
| 10:16 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
Megaf: it has always been some kind of "culture" at this point that there will always be some FOSS-zealot questioning others who use any kind of proprietary or half-proprietary software, like leave others alone |
| 10:16 |
lissobone |
What makes you think you are forced to use it? |
| 10:16 |
lissobone |
We don't use the term "FOSS". |
| 10:17 |
Megaf |
And I am forced to use it, because there's a bunch of people who, for unkown reasons, will only use Discord for dev chat. Likely they are all Windows users... |
| 10:17 |
lissobone |
Just quit Discord, like I did. |
| 10:17 |
Megaf |
And if I want to count with their dev power, I need to use Discord |
| 10:17 |
lissobone |
Ascend, my son. |
| 10:17 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
lissobone: well, FLOSS, or any other words idk .. you guys always make new terms every now and then |
| 10:17 |
Megaf |
By me, I'm happy on IRC... |
| 10:18 |
lissobone |
lebruhgamer[m]: We don't use FLOSS either. It's neutral between two completely different philosphies. We say "Free Software". |
| 10:18 |
Megaf |
Though I'm quite fond of Matrix, just couldn't find a completely decent client yet. Element is quite good, though. |
| 10:19 |
lissobone |
Client? Just send individual requests with curl -- the way God meant man to use the network. |
| 10:19 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
lissobone: the thing is, someone else in the community can't use the word "free" because of the confusion in the meaning and insist on it being "libre" instead, so idk anymore with all these stuff |
| 10:20 |
lissobone |
lebruhgamer[m]: It's acceptable to use "libre" in place of "free", as it clearly indicates the ethical context. |
| 10:26 |
Megaf |
Anyone here still playing Minetest? I stopped a couple of years ago |
| 10:27 |
lissobone |
What do you think? |
| 10:28 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> Megaf: minetest, what is that? 8) |
| 10:29 |
MTDiscord |
<MNH48> I guess many people are "modding" instead of playing Minetest nowadays |
| 10:31 |
lissobone |
I mod because I want to play with mods that haven't been made yet. |
| 10:33 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> not really playing anymore |
| 10:33 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Imho as long as you offer a public MT server you should also regularly join it and either play for yourself or help other players...if you completely lose interest in MT you should shutdown the server or give the world to someone else |
| 10:35 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Just managing a MT server from the outside wouldn't make me feel confident in thinking that the server admin actually cares about their playerbase...but like I said this is just my personal opinion |
| 10:43 |
Megaf |
Oh, I do check it, and put the NPCs back on, because people like killing them for no reason |
| 10:44 |
Megaf |
It just feels like, most of the players have negative motivations, like braking, destroying and killing |
| 10:56 |
lissobone |
It's fun to destroy, knowing it can be regenerated. |
| 10:56 |
lissobone |
It's even better if you built it yourself. |
| 11:05 |
Megaf |
In fact, I'm online right now. Replanting the public farm |
| 11:05 |
Megaf |
people got everything from the farm without planting anything back |
| 11:05 |
Megaf |
and they emptied the cache too... |
| 11:06 |
Megaf |
I spent several weeks exploring world to get all berries, seeds and vegetables |
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lissobone |
Such behavior often amuses me. |
| 11:07 |
lissobone |
It takes only a single malicious player to spoil everything. |
| 11:08 |
Megaf |
https://i.imgur.com/pIF2I9n.png |
| 11:08 |
Megaf |
Those are what I have in stock... No in the mood of searching for the other stuff |
| 11:09 |
Megaf |
And all NPCs are gone |
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MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> luatic: there are also a variety of tools to download the chat log of whole discord servers, you don't need to combine people's seperate data. technically against TOS so don't do it too often… |
| 12:31 |
MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> I do it so I can have a function search :p |
| 12:31 |
MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> *functional |
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rubenwardy |
Megaf: 5.3.0? Do you use debian? |
| 12:32 |
Megaf |
Eh, yeah. I could compile the client from source, but I don't see the point. |
| 12:32 |
Megaf |
Could also use a newer version from flatpack, but can't be bothered. |
| 12:32 |
Megaf |
Am I missing that out too much? |
| 12:32 |
lissobone |
No, you're not missing out. |
| 12:32 |
lissobone |
Perhaps... |
| 12:32 |
rubenwardy |
5.5.0 switched to our own fork of Irrlicht, contains many bugs fixes and improvement |
| 12:33 |
lissobone |
I think that apercy's mods only support certain newer versions. |
| 12:33 |
rubenwardy |
5.6.0 has dynamic shadows (although you need a modernish igpu) |
| 12:33 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: finally forked that crap :P |
| 12:33 |
rubenwardy |
lots of mods only support the latest couple of versions |
| 12:33 |
rubenwardy |
Alpha sorting has been fixed, can't remember if that's in 5.6 or not |
| 12:33 |
lissobone |
Why is it so? |
| 12:33 |
Megaf |
Now I wish FlightGear would do the same with PLib... |
| 12:34 |
lissobone |
You play FlightGear too? |
| 12:34 |
rubenwardy |
5.7-dev has a post processing pipeline now, improves tone mapping performance and there's now more fancy effects |
| 12:34 |
rubenwardy |
https://blog.minetest.net/ |
| 12:34 |
rubenwardy |
has a lot of deets |
| 12:34 |
rubenwardy |
oh, 5.7 also has a load of performance improvements, especially for better hardware |
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rubenwardy |
ok, fixed alpha sorting is in 5.6 stable https://blog.minetest.net/2022/08/04/5.6.0-released/ |
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lissobone |
Performance improvements for BETTER hardware? |
| 12:37 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, Minetest has historically used ancient OpenGL stuff, and doesn't make best use of the GPU. There's been some improvements that allow for better GPU communication by reducing draw calls |
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rubenwardy |
some people are getting 60FPS at 1000+ view range with nvidia GPUs |
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Megaf |
lissobone: yep, even run a couple of MP servers myself, mpserver87.flightgear.org is mine |
| 12:41 |
Megaf |
Callsign MGF87, usually flying fighters around LIPA |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> there's also the multithreaded mapblock mesh generation now in 5.7.0-dev (mapgen is still single threaded though) |
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rubenwardy |
you can use the emerge threads to make mapgen multithreaded, introduces artifacts though |
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lissobone |
I am flying. |
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rubenwardy |
https://media.tenor.com/L-TavqUBVsMAAAAC/steam-deck-get-real.gif |
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lissobone |
Unfortunately, you can't legally commit crimes in real life. |
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MTDiscord |
<kimapr> surely you can still commit them illegally |
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MTDiscord |
<kimapr> "<lissobone> I have recently committed several crimes against humanity." crimes against humanity and N? |
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lissobone |
And N what? What value is N supposed to point at? |
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MTDiscord |
<kimapr> err, i meant [Crimes against humanity] and N, |
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lissobone |
And I don't seem to understand. |
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MTDiscord |
<kimapr> i dont either |
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MTDiscord |
<kimapr> i think you were planning to use the unprotector to commit those |
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lissobone |
I committed crimes in FlightGear which Megaf mentioned. |
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lissobone |
But I also did not fail to commit them in Minetest too. |
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lissobone |
I conducted an act of terrorism on Survival server no. 521. |
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MinetestBot |
independent56: Feb-24 17:08 UTC <DeepThgt> how did you automate the chainsaw? |
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independent56 |
!tell @DeepThgt It was rather simple. One node breaker had a chainsaw, a placer had saplings, and another node-breaker had bonemeal. Each was aimed at the same block. |
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MinetestBot |
independent56: I'll pass that on when @DeepThgt is around |
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independent56 |
!tell @DeepThgt And then i used a Mesecon blinky to execute the breakers every iteration. It worked quite well |
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MinetestBot |
independent56: yeah, yeah |
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Megaf |
lissobone: are you on Discord? |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
Or Matrix |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
I have FlightGear communities on Matrix and Discord. And there's the #FlightGear IRC channel at irc.flightgear.org |
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MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> rubenwardy: which simulator is this? |
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alex_ |
Hi? |
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alex_ |
Is anyone here? |
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alex_ |
.... |
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mrkubax10 |
I guess |
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alex_ |
Oh |
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alex_ |
Hi |
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alex_ |
I use IRC for the first time in my life lmao |
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mrkubax10 |
I see |
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alex_ |
It's kinda cool |
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ROllerozxa |
hello |
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alex_ |
Hi |
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mrkubax10 |
yeah IRC is nice |
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alex_ |
I think, I need to delete discord now :joy_emoji: |
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mrkubax10 |
lol |
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alex_ |
I think IRC is more active then the most part of all discord servers |
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mrkubax10 |
IRC is becoming less popular over time unfortunately |
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alex_ |
Yeah 😥 |
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alex_ |
Thats sad |
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ROllerozxa |
IRC is cozy like lying in bed under a thick warm blanket snuggling blåhaj |
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alex_ |
Agree 100% |
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alex_ |
And if you got no DE it's even more cozy! |
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mrkubax10 |
yeah lol |
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mrkubax10 |
text clients are better than GUI ones |
| 19:28 |
alex_ |
Yup |
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alex_ |
They are much cooler then all this UI based stuff |
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alex_ |
🍧 |
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Pexin |
irssi screen ssh |
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alex_ |
Ok |
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mrkubax10 |
alex_: what client are you using? |
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alex_ |
Irssi |
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mrkubax10 |
ah |
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mrkubax10 |
me too |
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alex_ |
Cool |
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alex_ |
Can anybody tell me about cool mods for minetest? |
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ROllerozxa |
floppies |
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ROllerozxa |
stapled bread |
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ROllerozxa |
that's about it |
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alex_ |
Thx! |
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mrkubax10 |
technic maybe |
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mrkubax10 |
mesecons |
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mrkubax10 |
pipeworks |
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alex_ |
I already have pipeworks :) |
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calculon |
you might browse contentdb, there are tons of cool there |
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calculon |
https://content.minetest.net/ |
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alex_ |
ok, thx! |
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alex_ |
I gonna reconnect |
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alex__ |
Im back |
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Cheeese1 |
Hi |
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mrkubax10 |
hi |
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alex__ |
Yo |
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alex_ |
Ok |
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sys4 |
detach #NALC #NALC-DEV +live |
