Time Nick Message 00:02 MTDiscord I decided to take a shot at fixing #11076. So far I have this technically incorrect version: 00:02 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1080278936254156800/image.png 00:06 MTDiscord ~issue 11076 00:06 MTDiscord your in a irc channel.... 00:06 MTDiscord No discord bots? 00:06 MTDiscord beep boop https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11076 00:06 MTDiscord Display Game and World names in pause / [esc] menu 00:07 MTDiscord Thanks 00:07 MTDiscord correct. because theres supposed to be the irc bot.... 00:07 MTDiscord hehe, "supposed to be" 00:07 MTDiscord Yeah, shadow bot has disappeared a few times 00:07 MTDiscord That one thing should just be done by minetestbot 00:07 MTDiscord should I move this to a different channel? 00:08 MTDiscord no, this channel is fine 00:08 MTDiscord if you want the IRC people to partake ;) 00:08 MTDiscord ~issue 11076 00:08 rubenwardy So, are you hard coding the text "Game: Mineclone2"? 00:08 MTDiscord no 00:08 MTDiscord thats just a test 00:09 MTDiscord well, ok, so the embed doesnt show up on irc, going to turn that back off 00:09 MTDiscord done 00:10 MTDiscord anyway, I see game and world for sure. Any other suggestions on what I should add to it? 00:11 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1080281083674902588/image.png 00:20 rubenwardy A motivational haiku 00:20 rubenwardy Looks good though, single player/host only? 00:27 MTDiscord I could see about making the game part work with multiplayer, but mainly single player for now 00:28 MTDiscord I got it to get the game from the menu_last_game setting atm, but that shouldnt be the official way I think. 00:29 MTDiscord and the world name it still...hard coded. 00:30 MTDiscord this is going to be a step up in learning from just the simple setting changes in my current open pull request. 08:08 MinetestBot 02[git] 04numberZero -> 03minetest/minetest: Drop dependency on IrrCompileConfig 13d6be668 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d6be6682ec69706b765ab51863bcd5805a7cbd7d (152023-03-01T08:06:23Z) 08:10 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Desour -> 03minetest/minetest: Document that item_image_button[] name is non-optional 13514bf35 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/514bf3582cd8c46176cba2fc0125fbb76c6b33a9 (152023-03-01T08:09:29Z) 08:10 MinetestBot 02[git] 04lynx197 -> 03minetest/minetest: Add git installation steps for Arch/Alpine to README 138c7276c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8c7276c9d4fc8afa05f859297048c7153cc11f5b (152023-03-01T08:09:58Z) 08:56 lissobone Greetings, comrades. 08:56 lissobone Tovarischi. 08:57 lissobone I have recently committed several crimes against humanity. 08:58 MTDiscord o.o 08:58 lissobone Still using Discord? 08:59 MTDiscord well I could SSH into my server and connect to my bouncer via weechat but uh 09:00 lissobone Are you afraid of that? 09:02 lissobone Have you ever wanted to become a saint? 09:03 MTDiscord hmm, St. ROllerozxa... 09:03 lissobone Is it because of the people you hang around with that you are going through all this? 09:07 MTDiscord anyways the reason I'm not connected through IRC is because I can't remember how to use weechat 09:09 ROllerozxa actually... 09:12 ROllerozxa Having to switch channels by typing /buffer commands is a bit cumbersome though 09:37 lissobone ROllerozxa: can't remember how to use WeeChat? 09:37 lissobone That's no big problem. 09:37 lissobone You can learn how to use Emacs ERC. 09:37 lissobone ROllerozxa: Also, regarding the curbersomeness, what makes you believe that? 09:59 lebruhgamer[m] "Still using Discord?" <- it's called "freedom to choose platform that you use" 10:01 lebruhgamer[m] in this world, it's better for everyone use whatever they want and connect to interconnected network 10:01 lebruhgamer[m] instead of trying to force people into one centralized platform (irc) and cut off others 10:03 lebruhgamer[m] imagine if the centralized platform goes rogue (like what twitter does), of course most people are moving towards fediverse so you can use whatever (mastodon, pleroma, misskey) and still talk to each other 10:03 lissobone I never forced anyone to use specifically IRC. 10:03 lissobone There is a reason bridges exist. 10:04 lissobone However, to become a saint at the Church of Emacs, one has to use holy (wholly) Free Software. 10:05 lissobone That's one of the reasons I do not want you to use Discord. 10:05 lebruhgamer[m] > never forced anyone 10:05 lebruhgamer[m] > has to use 10:05 lebruhgamer[m] sounds contradictory 10:05 lissobone Am I forcing to use IRC? 10:06 lissobone Am I forcing you to use Free Software? 10:06 lissobone No, but you have the freedom to. 10:07 lebruhgamer[m] the way you ask other and respond implies you're forcing, even if it's indirectly 10:07 lissobone I specifically mentioned that you only have to use holy Free Software to become a saint at the Church of Emacs. 10:08 lissobone Alright, let's count this as forcing. 10:08 lissobone Is there anything else wrong? 10:09 lissobone Hold on, I understand the error in my wording. 10:09 lebruhgamer[m] that 'forcing' itself is what's wrong, if you're so into freedom 10:09 lebruhgamer[m] your freedom should not impede on someone else's freedom 10:09 lissobone I am teaching. 10:10 lissobone By your logic, teachers are forcing their knowledge onto poor students. 10:10 MTDiscord the fun fact is that we can in fact move away from discord, provided everybody joins in 10:10 lebruhgamer[m] the way you write up above doesn't sound like teaching to me 10:11 MTDiscord e.g. you can request a thicc data packet of all the data discord has on you, which includes all your messages 10:11 lissobone lebruhgamer[m]: What makes you think this is so? 10:11 MTDiscord if everyone did this, the data packets could be combined to make discord obsolete 10:11 lissobone luatic: does this make Discord less of a proprietary filth? 10:11 lebruhgamer[m] lissobone: try to read back what you had written above 10:11 MTDiscord lissobone: yesn't 10:12 MTDiscord but I kinda regret being "locked into" Discord now, I'm slowly trying to transition to Matrix etc. 10:12 lissobone Matrix requires nonfree JS to register as of now, but aside from that everything else is fine. 10:12 lissobone lebruhgamer[m]: Are you sure that try to read back what I had written? 10:13 Megaf lissobone: What do you mean? I guess that depends on the client and server you are using? 10:13 lebruhgamer[m] yes, read it, your tone is not like teaching 10:14 MTDiscord lissobone: Matrix is just a protocol, it doesn't require JS 10:14 MTDiscord do you mean the Element Matrix client? 10:14 Megaf And why are you arguing over Matrix, Discord and IRC on a Minetest channel? 10:14 lissobone No, not the Element client. To just register on a server you have to execute nonfree JS code, as far as I know. 10:15 Megaf Don't like Discord, don't use it. Don't like Matrix, don't use it, simple 10:15 lissobone Megaf: Because ROllerozxa uses Discord, and I asked him why is this so. 10:15 Megaf Though I utterly hate Discord and their TOS and I am indeed forced to use it 10:16 Megaf I am forced to used it, because their TOS says so, I'm not allowed to use other clients to talk on it, even though I could, like Pidgin and Weechat. 10:16 lebruhgamer[m] Megaf: it has always been some kind of "culture" at this point that there will always be some FOSS-zealot questioning others who use any kind of proprietary or half-proprietary software, like leave others alone 10:16 lissobone What makes you think you are forced to use it? 10:16 lissobone We don't use the term "FOSS". 10:17 Megaf And I am forced to use it, because there's a bunch of people who, for unkown reasons, will only use Discord for dev chat. Likely they are all Windows users... 10:17 lissobone Just quit Discord, like I did. 10:17 Megaf And if I want to count with their dev power, I need to use Discord 10:17 lissobone Ascend, my son. 10:17 lebruhgamer[m] lissobone: well, FLOSS, or any other words idk .. you guys always make new terms every now and then 10:17 Megaf By me, I'm happy on IRC... 10:18 lissobone lebruhgamer[m]: We don't use FLOSS either. It's neutral between two completely different philosphies. We say "Free Software". 10:18 Megaf Though I'm quite fond of Matrix, just couldn't find a completely decent client yet. Element is quite good, though. 10:19 lissobone Client? Just send individual requests with curl -- the way God meant man to use the network. 10:19 lebruhgamer[m] lissobone: the thing is, someone else in the community can't use the word "free" because of the confusion in the meaning and insist on it being "libre" instead, so idk anymore with all these stuff 10:20 lissobone lebruhgamer[m]: It's acceptable to use "libre" in place of "free", as it clearly indicates the ethical context. 10:26 Megaf Anyone here still playing Minetest? I stopped a couple of years ago 10:27 lissobone What do you think? 10:28 MTDiscord Megaf: minetest, what is that? 8) 10:29 MTDiscord I guess many people are "modding" instead of playing Minetest nowadays 10:31 lissobone I mod because I want to play with mods that haven't been made yet. 10:33 MTDiscord not really playing anymore 10:33 MTDiscord Imho as long as you offer a public MT server you should also regularly join it and either play for yourself or help other players...if you completely lose interest in MT you should shutdown the server or give the world to someone else 10:35 MTDiscord Just managing a MT server from the outside wouldn't make me feel confident in thinking that the server admin actually cares about their playerbase...but like I said this is just my personal opinion 10:43 Megaf Oh, I do check it, and put the NPCs back on, because people like killing them for no reason 10:44 Megaf It just feels like, most of the players have negative motivations, like braking, destroying and killing 10:56 lissobone It's fun to destroy, knowing it can be regenerated. 10:56 lissobone It's even better if you built it yourself. 11:05 Megaf In fact, I'm online right now. Replanting the public farm 11:05 Megaf people got everything from the farm without planting anything back 11:05 Megaf and they emptied the cache too... 11:06 Megaf I spent several weeks exploring world to get all berries, seeds and vegetables 11:07 lissobone Such behavior often amuses me. 11:07 lissobone It takes only a single malicious player to spoil everything. 11:08 Megaf https://i.imgur.com/pIF2I9n.png 11:08 Megaf Those are what I have in stock... No in the mood of searching for the other stuff 11:09 Megaf And all NPCs are gone 12:30 MTDiscord luatic: there are also a variety of tools to download the chat log of whole discord servers, you don't need to combine people's seperate data. technically against TOS so don't do it too often… 12:31 MTDiscord I do it so I can have a function search :p 12:31 MTDiscord *functional 12:31 rubenwardy Megaf: 5.3.0? Do you use debian? 12:32 Megaf Eh, yeah. I could compile the client from source, but I don't see the point. 12:32 Megaf Could also use a newer version from flatpack, but can't be bothered. 12:32 Megaf Am I missing that out too much? 12:32 lissobone No, you're not missing out. 12:32 lissobone Perhaps... 12:32 rubenwardy 5.5.0 switched to our own fork of Irrlicht, contains many bugs fixes and improvement 12:33 lissobone I think that apercy's mods only support certain newer versions. 12:33 rubenwardy 5.6.0 has dynamic shadows (although you need a modernish igpu) 12:33 Megaf rubenwardy: finally forked that crap :P 12:33 rubenwardy lots of mods only support the latest couple of versions 12:33 rubenwardy Alpha sorting has been fixed, can't remember if that's in 5.6 or not 12:33 lissobone Why is it so? 12:33 Megaf Now I wish FlightGear would do the same with PLib... 12:34 lissobone You play FlightGear too? 12:34 rubenwardy 5.7-dev has a post processing pipeline now, improves tone mapping performance and there's now more fancy effects 12:34 rubenwardy https://blog.minetest.net/ 12:34 rubenwardy has a lot of deets 12:34 rubenwardy oh, 5.7 also has a load of performance improvements, especially for better hardware 12:36 rubenwardy ok, fixed alpha sorting is in 5.6 stable https://blog.minetest.net/2022/08/04/5.6.0-released/ 12:36 lissobone Performance improvements for BETTER hardware? 12:37 rubenwardy yeah, Minetest has historically used ancient OpenGL stuff, and doesn't make best use of the GPU. There's been some improvements that allow for better GPU communication by reducing draw calls 12:38 rubenwardy some people are getting 60FPS at 1000+ view range with nvidia GPUs 12:41 Megaf lissobone: yep, even run a couple of MP servers myself, mpserver87.flightgear.org is mine 12:41 Megaf Callsign MGF87, usually flying fighters around LIPA 12:41 MTDiscord there's also the multithreaded mapblock mesh generation now in 5.7.0-dev (mapgen is still single threaded though) 12:42 rubenwardy you can use the emerge threads to make mapgen multithreaded, introduces artifacts though 12:45 lissobone I am flying. 12:48 rubenwardy https://media.tenor.com/L-TavqUBVsMAAAAC/steam-deck-get-real.gif 12:50 lissobone Unfortunately, you can't legally commit crimes in real life. 14:56 MTDiscord surely you can still commit them illegally 14:57 MTDiscord " I have recently committed several crimes against humanity." crimes against humanity and N? 14:58 lissobone And N what? What value is N supposed to point at? 15:00 MTDiscord err, i meant [Crimes against humanity] and N, 15:01 lissobone And I don't seem to understand. 15:02 MTDiscord i dont either 15:03 MTDiscord i think you were planning to use the unprotector to commit those 15:03 lissobone I committed crimes in FlightGear which Megaf mentioned. 15:03 lissobone But I also did not fail to commit them in Minetest too. 15:04 lissobone I conducted an act of terrorism on Survival server no. 521. 16:49 MinetestBot independent56: Feb-24 17:08 UTC how did you automate the chainsaw? 16:51 independent56 !tell @DeepThgt It was rather simple. One node breaker had a chainsaw, a placer had saplings, and another node-breaker had bonemeal. Each was aimed at the same block. 16:51 MinetestBot independent56: I'll pass that on when @DeepThgt is around 16:51 independent56 !tell @DeepThgt And then i used a Mesecon blinky to execute the breakers every iteration. It worked quite well 16:51 MinetestBot independent56: yeah, yeah 18:36 Megaf lissobone: are you on Discord? 18:36 Megaf Or Matrix 18:36 Megaf I have FlightGear communities on Matrix and Discord. And there's the #FlightGear IRC channel at irc.flightgear.org 19:05 MTDiscord rubenwardy: which simulator is this? 19:18 alex_ Hi? 19:18 alex_ Is anyone here? 19:18 alex_ .... 19:18 mrkubax10 I guess 19:18 alex_ Oh 19:19 alex_ Hi 19:19 alex_ I use IRC for the first time in my life lmao 19:19 mrkubax10 I see 19:19 alex_ It's kinda cool 19:19 ROllerozxa hello 19:20 alex_ Hi 19:20 mrkubax10 yeah IRC is nice 19:20 alex_ I think, I need to delete discord now :joy_emoji: 19:21 mrkubax10 lol 19:22 alex_ I think IRC is more active then the most part of all discord servers 19:23 mrkubax10 IRC is becoming less popular over time unfortunately 19:24 alex_ Yeah 😥 19:24 alex_ Thats sad 19:25 ROllerozxa IRC is cozy like lying in bed under a thick warm blanket snuggling blåhaj 19:26 alex_ Agree 100% 19:27 alex_ And if you got no DE it's even more cozy! 19:27 mrkubax10 yeah lol 19:28 mrkubax10 text clients are better than GUI ones 19:28 alex_ Yup 19:29 alex_ They are much cooler then all this UI based stuff 19:29 alex_ 🍧 19:30 Pexin irssi screen ssh 19:32 alex_ Ok 19:32 mrkubax10 alex_: what client are you using? 19:33 alex_ Irssi 19:33 mrkubax10 ah 19:33 mrkubax10 me too 19:33 alex_ Cool 19:39 alex_ Can anybody tell me about cool mods for minetest? 19:39 ROllerozxa floppies 19:40 ROllerozxa stapled bread 19:40 ROllerozxa that's about it 19:40 alex_ Thx! 19:44 mrkubax10 technic maybe 19:44 mrkubax10 mesecons 19:44 mrkubax10 pipeworks 19:46 alex_ I already have pipeworks :) 19:52 calculon you might browse contentdb, there are tons of cool there 19:52 calculon https://content.minetest.net/ 19:53 alex_ ok, thx! 20:01 alex_ I gonna reconnect 20:02 alex__ Im back 20:07 Cheeese1 Hi 20:07 mrkubax10 hi 20:08 alex__ Yo 20:49 alex_ Ok 23:49 sys4 detach #NALC #NALC-DEV +live