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good morning! Someone here using i3 with x_bows? I cannot figure out where to put the arrows. According to the x_bows mod, there should be an additional slot added to the i3 inventory, but I cannot find it (nor anything in the logs that says it couldn't be created) |
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independent56 |
!tell DeepThgt cool but that does not compete with my one which used technic chainsaws and bonemeal to get one tree per 10 seconds |
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MinetestBot |
independent56: I'll pass that on when DeepThgt is around |
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independent56 |
cool |
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independent56 |
works just like the rival internet chat service |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Remove dead code behind Irrlicht version checks 3bafbaa https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/3bafbaac49e3d5d1d633b26f60fd4e919399819b (2023-02-18T15:46:51Z) |
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[git] paradust7 -> minetest/minetest: Fix typo and missing entry in serveropcodes aa5dc09 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/aa5dc0968befddc0343070988efe4c3801858193 (2023-02-18T15:47:08Z) |
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independent56 |
I've been thinking |
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independent56 |
https://github.com/egold555/ForgeScratch |
| 17:56 |
independent56 |
maybe i could make an interface to develop minetest mods like the one above |
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independent56 |
https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding-java-edition/minecraft-tools/2867409-scratchforge-a-graphical-programming-environment |
| 17:57 |
independent56 |
Do you think it'd be a good idea? |
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independent56 |
Does it exist? |
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independent56 |
I feel like it would be really helpful for the Minetest community as a whole; begginers get to make mods and maybe even get them published, intermediates can prototype mods, and then of course advanced users can look at all the code made with it and cry at the direction mod development has gone |
| 18:01 |
independent56 |
maybe |
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independent56 |
There's a lot of design i'll have to do before i can even begin programming |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> independent56: Yes, "block-based" editors for Lua exist, see e.g. Lua's "blockly" |
| 18:47 |
independent56 |
yes but specifically for Minetest |
| 18:48 |
independent56 |
Mainly using the API |
| 18:48 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> why would it be Minetest-specific? |
| 18:48 |
independent56 |
So you have Lua and API controls |
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independent56 |
Like "play x sound" or "move player to x" |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> would you hardcode the synopsis of API functions? |
| 18:48 |
independent56 |
Something like that |
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independent56 |
I'd use a JSON database to define blocka |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> That too could be made on top of blockly I suppose |
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independent56 |
maybe |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> "database" |
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independent56 |
But more portfolio points if its from scratch |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> bruh moment |
| 18:49 |
independent56 |
wdym |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> zero portfolio points if it doesn't exist |
| 18:49 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> also stop caring about your portfolio and do it for the love of the code |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> btw, to get you thinking: that M*necraft thingy has a mere 18 stars on GH, has had its last commit 6 years ago, all despite being well made, having a proper website, and the MC community being much larger |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> so I'd conjure that a similar thing for MT would get 1-2 stars and 2-3 users |
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MTDiscord |
<Flamore> MCreator has visual scripting iirc, and it's pretty popular |
| 18:52 |
independent56 |
maybe |
| 18:52 |
independent56 |
mccreator might have ben what i was thinking |
| 18:52 |
independent56 |
But code |
| 18:52 |
independent56 |
No blocks? |
| 18:52 |
independent56 |
hmm |
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independent56 |
In any case; my end goal is to make money. I have determined that to make money i need a job. I have chosen programming. For a job, i need a portfolio |
| 18:53 |
independent56 |
And for a portfolio i need nice intresting projects |
| 18:53 |
independent56 |
In any case, it'll be quite some time before i write the first line of code |
| 18:53 |
independent56 |
I have a lot of design work to get done |
| 18:54 |
independent56 |
And the success of software relies on marketing mostly; there's a reason crappy Windows got so popular |
| 18:54 |
independent56 |
marketing |
| 18:59 |
independent56 |
The minecraft thing is a cool concept. With correct marketing and software, i can get my project to slowly increase to the level of something like moretrains |
| 18:59 |
independent56 |
maybe more |
| 18:59 |
independent56 |
And remember: the blog exists |
| 18:59 |
independent56 |
The blog allows me to advertise for free at the price of needing quality |
| 19:00 |
independent56 |
I've already got a basic design and concept and later on i'll begin making it |
| 19:00 |
independent56 |
using bootstrap and flask maybe |
| 19:07 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> The web stack seems like 100% the wrong way to go here. |
| 19:07 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> There is 0 need for a server here. |
| 19:07 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Or for anything web for that matter. |
| 19:07 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> This can run purely clientside, basically as an advanced, beginner-friendly Minetest mod editor / "creator". |
| 19:08 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> (heck, I considered writing a VSC extension for blockly editing of Lua to make it more beginner-friendly lol) |
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independent56 |
yes |
| 19:08 |
independent56 |
using flask |
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independent56 |
like Syncthing does |
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independent56 |
That's my intention |
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independent56 |
Use a web-like interface so my bad UI skills can be put to use |
| 19:08 |
independent56 |
Bootstrap is all i know because of my portfolio |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Flask is for writing a web server in Python |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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independent56 |
maybe |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> you want this to be completely serverless, completely clientside |
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independent56 |
But i use it clientside anyways |
| 19:09 |
independent56 |
Because i am machosit |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> you can't use Flask clientside |
| 19:09 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> you can have client & server on the same machine or something |
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independent56 |
yes |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> but it's still a web server serving your web app |
| 19:10 |
independent56 |
That's what i am planning to do |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> yeah, and it is unnecessarily overcomplicating the matter |
| 19:10 |
independent56 |
ok maybe not |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> you don't need the "server" part |
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muurkha |
I was pleased to learn recently that both Firefox and Chromium permit "secure APIs" like the camera for web pages served from localhost or 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:10 |
independent56 |
I'll still find a way to use HTML for the UI |
| 19:10 |
independent56 |
Maybe like Electron for Python |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> granted, if you're familiar with the web stack, you might want to develop a web app |
| 19:10 |
independent56 |
ys |
| 19:10 |
independent56 |
i am |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> but without the server! |
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muurkha |
I think running a local server is probably the best way to use HTML for the UI |
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independent56 |
electron |
| 19:11 |
independent56 |
What VScodeuses |
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muurkha |
and HTML is by far the best way to do most kinds of UIs |
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independent56 |
But in Python |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Electron is what VSC uses |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> You'll have a hard time sticking Python in there |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Web natively interfaces best with JavaScript & friends |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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independent56 |
But webassembly lol |
| 19:11 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> It is possible to stick Python in there, but I wouldn't recommend it |
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independent56 |
i'll look around |
| 19:12 |
muurkha |
https://www.google.com/url?esrc=s&q=&rct=j&sa=U&url=https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32158738/python-on-electron-framework&ved=2ahUKEwi8xJyb45_9AhVyqZUCHSCeBREQFnoECAsQAg&usg=AOvVaw2u4QNMT0noq5yMdyChGoR9 |
| 19:12 |
muurkha |
ugh, sorry |
| 19:12 |
independent56 |
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32158738/python-on-electron-framework#39110428 |
| 19:12 |
independent56 |
haha |
| 19:12 |
independent56 |
i found it |
| 19:12 |
independent56 |
ohh we both googled the samelol |
| 19:12 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Look at the code. That's called having a hard time. |
| 19:13 |
independent56 |
https://pypi.org/project/Py-Electron/ |
| 19:13 |
independent56 |
oo |
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independent56 |
i like a hard time |
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* muurkha |
gives independent56 a good, hard time |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Yet you want to stick to a web stack just to have a softer time. |
| 19:13 |
independent56 |
yes |
| 19:13 |
independent56 |
i want a mediocere time |
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independent56 |
I's called "averages" |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> that project is dead btw |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> 0.1 release last published 2020 |
| 19:14 |
independent56 |
no it's not |
| 19:14 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> github page 404s |
| 19:14 |
independent56 |
I still have to design it |
| 19:14 |
independent56 |
Oh wait you;re talking aboutsomething else |
| 19:14 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I'm talking about the PyPI package link you sent |
| 19:14 |
independent56 |
yes i know that now |
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independent56 |
sad |
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independent56 |
i'll figure out a way |
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independent56 |
A perl script with flask might be the way to start the app |
| 19:15 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Here's how I would approach this: You want to write a clientside editor. You could do this as a web app, but web apps suck. Use something like Flutter (or any other non-web-based GUI framework of your choice, there are plenty for Python) to implement it. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> There is 0.0 need to involve Perl. |
| 19:15 |
independent56 |
i don't want to be bound to a UI language |
| 19:15 |
independent56 |
i want to use HTML |
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independent56 |
as a lot of stuff accept it as standard |
| 19:15 |
independent56 |
i could make a webapp or client app |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> You can always serve Flutter apps as web apps. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> It is highly portable. |
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independent56 |
dunno |
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independent56 |
Does flutter use HTML |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> No, it uses something far better |
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independent56 |
maybe |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> https://flutter.dev |
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independent56 |
idrc for it |
| 19:17 |
independent56 |
I have been endoctrinated into bootstrap |
| 19:18 |
independent56 |
I will use Flask for development. Your flutter will not convince me. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Sure, bring a knife to a gun fight. |
| 19:18 |
independent56 |
Wait and see. |
| 19:18 |
independent56 |
bye. |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> mfw not using php |
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phplover |
Hi |
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phplover |
I have an idea |
| 19:26 |
phplover |
I will make a buggy minetest contentdb packagemanager using PHP |
| 19:26 |
phplover |
And you put blocks together to pick and choose optional dependencies |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> oh god what did I do |
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phplover |
I will use a Python webapp using PHP to make a interface to connect blocks to choose dependencies |
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phplover |
And COBOL for 25% of the code |
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phplover |
Just to make it enterprise-level |
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phplover |
And worthy of my portfolio |
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phplover |
bye! |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> oh wait that was 56i |
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independent56 |
Ok so i have decided to use blockly, JS, and electron |
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independent56 |
i will make a translater from blockly XML to Mt Mod |
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independent56 |
gtg |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> run from flutter as fast as you can (it is actually pretty good but im tired of it and have to continue with it cuz i am using it for a school project) |
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independent56 |
Flutter seems like one of those things that will get old over time |
| 20:49 |
independent56 |
I don't really want to use it |
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independent56 |
And of course flask is too compicated |
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independent56 |
So i'll use JS and Electron and Blockly |
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independent56 |
That's my tech stack |
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independent56 |
Because Python is famous for being slow |
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independent56 |
PHP also seems like its getting older every year so i won't use it |
| 20:51 |
independent56 |
COBOL also seems to be getting older every decade so i won't use it |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> javascript is almost as old as php |
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Desour |
if you want to make a website, run minetest on it with emscriptem, and show some formspec |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> oh my god don't give him any ideas |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> it's like someone said we should stuff chromium into minetest to replace formspecs and they got them mixed up |
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independent56 |
Yeah |
| 20:55 |
independent56 |
I was thinking about live testing from blocky |
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MTDiscord |
<Flamore> we should rewrite minetest for electron |
| 20:56 |
independent56 |
Basically you hit the green flag and you have a minetest world started to test your mod |
| 20:56 |
Desour |
ah yes, electron, aka desktop chromium, in minetest |
| 20:56 |
independent56 |
It runs minetest from the command line |
| 20:56 |
independent56 |
So i have minetest in electron |
| 20:56 |
independent56 |
Hopefully minetest supports making websites in it |
| 20:56 |
independent56 |
So i can have a recursive mod-maker |
| 20:56 |
independent56 |
We can make n-depth mods at that point |
| 20:57 |
independent56 |
There can be a whole minetest mods universe deeper into minetest |
| 20:57 |
independent56 |
We are at level 0 right now |
| 20:57 |
independent56 |
But later on we can go to level 5 and unlock a whole new virgin world of mineetst mods |
| 20:57 |
independent56 |
Powered by my software |
| 20:57 |
independent56 |
Electron would destroy performance of Minetest TBH |
| 20:58 |
independent56 |
But the 5-depth mods provide purity and a whole new world |
| 20:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Flamore> i changed my mind |
| 20:58 |
independent56 |
People can then own entire mod worlds |
| 20:58 |
independent56 |
i will own levels 3 and 4 |
| 20:58 |
independent56 |
I give 1 and 2 dor the public |
| 20:58 |
independent56 |
when contentDB runs out of space |
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MTDiscord |
<Flamore> x86 emulator running minetest on ubuntu in electron with no acceleration whatsoever |
| 20:58 |
independent56 |
yes |
| 20:59 |
independent56 |
You can have mod level 135 for your rediculous idea |
| 20:59 |
independent56 |
Enjoy the lag! |
| 21:00 |
independent56 |
You probably feel like ponytail |
| 21:01 |
independent56 |
dammit i did not send the message |
| 21:01 |
independent56 |
Whoops |
| 21:01 |
independent56 |
https://xkcd.com/1513/ |
| 21:03 |
independent56 |
No this is more accurate |
| 21:03 |
independent56 |
https://xkcd.com/1926/ |
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