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lissobone |
nubetest |
| 05:57 |
lissobone |
Greetings. |
| 05:57 |
lissobone |
I have been fighting demons in Hell until now. |
| 05:58 |
DeepThgt |
hello lissobone |
| 05:58 |
DeepThgt |
how are you |
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lissobone |
I am approximately alright precisely as of now. |
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DeepThgt |
good |
| 06:01 |
lissobone |
Exactly in 5 minutes 22 seconds 98 nanosecods I will not be alright like I am now. By then I will have already commited multiple felonies on copyright ground. |
| 06:01 |
DeepThgt |
lol I do this daily |
| 06:01 |
lissobone |
How do you manage to do this daily? |
| 06:01 |
DeepThgt |
seeding |
| 06:01 |
lissobone |
And sharing the software? |
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Blockhead256[m] |
there's a lot of linux ISOs to be seeding :) |
| 06:01 |
DeepThgt |
all kinds of media |
| 06:02 |
lissobone |
GNU/Linux would be more correct, unless all bootable images contain no GNU software at all, which is very unlikely. |
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Blockhead256[m] |
some of them are alpine :P |
| 06:03 |
lissobone |
True. |
| 06:03 |
lissobone |
But does the presence of Alpine invalidate GNU? |
| 06:03 |
lissobone |
Neither does GNU invalidate the presence of the first. |
| 06:03 |
Blockhead256[m] |
GNU, Linux, and BSD ISOs |
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lissobone |
You may just say "free system ISOs", since all of them are free as in freedom (not as in price), or at least are comprised of mostly free software. |
| 06:05 |
lissobone |
They're free, but most contain some nonfree software. It's a stretch. |
| 06:05 |
Blockhead256[m] |
debian stretch was EOL 2020-07-06 :P |
| 06:07 |
lissobone |
No, not as in debian stretch, but as in a term which definition does not fully match with what it's applied to. |
| 06:08 |
Blockhead256[m] |
okay since you're so passionate |
| 06:08 |
Blockhead256[m] |
which is more free: permissive or copyleft licenses? |
| 06:08 |
lissobone |
Collectively calling all such seeded distributions "linux" disregards, first of all, GNU, since GNU is the system while linux is the kernel, and BSD, which have nothing to do with neither GNU nor linux. |
| 06:08 |
lissobone |
Well... |
| 06:08 |
lissobone |
Depends on how you define freedom. |
| 06:08 |
lissobone |
But there is an official definition already. |
| 06:09 |
Blockhead256[m] |
well, who will we ask? The FSF or the OSI? |
| 06:09 |
lissobone |
Free software grants user four freedoms: freedom to execute the program for any purpose, freedom to modify and study it, distribute verbatim and modified copies. |
| 06:11 |
lissobone |
There's a list of free licenses, as I recall, on the FSF website. GNU GPL is a strong copyleft license and it imposes some restrictions, but those restrictions are designed to prohibit acts a good citizen would not like to do. |
| 06:11 |
lissobone |
You can, of course, say, that MIT, BSD or other permissive (pushover) are freer, since they allow to do more with the program. |
| 06:12 |
lissobone |
(There's no comma after say). |
| 06:13 |
lissobone |
But they have a flaw, and that's allowing to relicense the software under a different, often nonfree license. |
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Blockhead256[m] |
aha, a straight answer |
| 06:14 |
Blockhead256[m] |
yeah personally I like the AGPL for Minetest mods |
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lissobone |
Since they're often used on servers, aren't they? |
| 06:15 |
Blockhead256[m] |
right, so the additional clauses of the Affero part require people who run a server with modified versions of AGPL mods must publish their modifications |
| 06:16 |
lissobone |
I don't think that it's hard to run an extra FTP or HTTP server along with minetest. |
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Blockhead256[m] |
right, even I have an HTTP server along with minetestserver on the same VPS |
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lissobone |
Greetings. |
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Blockhead256[m] |
Would you all recommend mobs_animal or animalia for a new world? Is it going to be hard to fix if i already generated a lot of the world to switch to animalia? |
| 11:58 |
calcul0n |
you'll probably get a lot of unknown items, and maybe some unknown nodes |
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calcul0n |
it's annoying but the map should still be playable |
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Blockhead256[m] |
the important thing is: how can I make sure mobs spawn in the old areas? |
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calcul0n |
mob spawn is not related to mapgen, it only depends on things like altitude and node types |
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Blockhead256[m] |
okay and will animalia be compatible with cooking recipes from farming_redo/undo? |
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calcul0n |
no idea, i only know mobs_animal |
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Blockhead256[m] |
ok well thanks for your input |
| 12:02 |
calcul0n |
i'd say the best is to try them both and see what you prefer |
| 12:03 |
Blockhead256[m] |
well I'm going to be running a server so if one of them performs better I'd rather use it |
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schubisu |
Blockhead256[m]: asking myself very similar questions. Let me know when you find out more ;) |
| 15:23 |
DeepThgt |
i have only used mobs_redo, its pretty conservative with resources at default settings |
| 15:24 |
calcul0n |
also note that you can use both mods together |
| 15:25 |
calcul0n |
i don't like to have such redundant stuff but some people don't care |
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Blockhead256[m] |
it would be a bit odd to get two cows that can't interbreed |
| 15:26 |
calcul0n |
indeed :) |
| 15:26 |
calcul0n |
with a bit of rp you can pretend they are different species |
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| 15:38 |
independent56 |
I have a crazy idea; earth in Minetest |
| 15:38 |
independent56 |
to scale |
| 15:38 |
independent56 |
Every 60 km^2 square of the world has its own server |
| 15:38 |
Blockhead256[m] |
you'd need minetest32 |
| 15:39 |
independent56 |
Generated by Perl, every server exists together |
| 15:41 |
Blockhead256[m] |
federated Minetest has been postulated |
| 15:41 |
independent56 |
? |
| 15:41 |
Blockhead256[m] |
there would be an advantage compared to a flat world though, so you could slice squares off the surface of the sphere (geoid) instead of one big flat earth |
| 15:42 |
Blockhead256[m] |
federated Minetest meaning features for letting a Minetest client navigate between different servers that have agreed to share player data |
| 15:42 |
mrkubax10 |
interesting idea |
| 15:42 |
independent56 |
I have an even worse idea: would i be allowed to spoof the existence of the server to servers.minetest.net and by emailing my server 5 minutes in advance with the server you would like to oin, it spins up the server and you can join it |
| 15:42 |
independent56 |
That would be a good idea; federated minetest# |
| 15:43 |
Blockhead256[m] |
you can run own list instead: https://github.com/minetest/serverlist/ |
| 15:43 |
independent56 |
I can imagine a group of servers making the "Minetest Union" and having a "schengen area" |
| 15:43 |
independent56 |
But yeah, running my own server list would be intresting |
| 15:43 |
independent56 |
Maybe i send existance data to both |
| 15:44 |
DeepThgt |
it would lead to an odd play experience, as inventory would be diff between worlds |
| 15:44 |
independent56 |
Would it be against the server.minetest.net rules to run that many servers? |
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Blockhead256[m] |
deja vu except it was a different person asking |
| 15:45 |
independent56 |
it would be about (7.48 * (10 ^ 7)) / 60, or 1246666.66667 |
| 15:46 |
independent56 |
different server |
| 15:46 |
Blockhead256[m] |
the answer I recall back then was - rules aren't hard and fast, but if you cause too much load for the server you can be barred/banned |
| 15:46 |
independent56 |
I'll probably never go do it |
| 15:46 |
independent56 |
So i run my own server list, put all the worlds there, and then set up an email service to respond to server run requests |
| 15:46 |
independent56 |
With captachs to prevent bots |
| 15:47 |
Blockhead256[m] |
also where do you get metre accurate GIS data? |
| 15:47 |
independent56 |
The servers only capture the scale of earth and not the actual physical of it |
| 15:47 |
independent56 |
Maybe later on i make the server follow google data |
| 15:48 |
independent56 |
I guess i'll make my own server system |
| 15:49 |
independent56 |
Here's what happens when a client joins the server > Spawns at point null > Moves out of the server > Automatically reconnected to a different server to continue play |
| 15:50 |
independent56 |
And then you might even end up in Africa |
| 15:50 |
Blockhead256[m] |
it is always easiest to prototype with existing technology |
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Blockhead256[m] |
.. or the middle of the south atlantic |
| 15:51 |
independent56 |
I might even make my custom client which is dumbed down and only allows joining the server |
| 15:52 |
independent56 |
But the co-ordinates are IRL co-ordinates |
| 15:52 |
independent56 |
Even crazier idea: |
| 15:53 |
independent56 |
A IRL robot takes a video and streams it to the client and allows you to move around earth in real life from Minetest |
| 15:53 |
independent56 |
Using sattelites i launched into space |
| 15:53 |
independent56 |
To help me keep it connected to the server |
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independent56 |
What do you think? |
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independent56 |
Would it cause chaos if i released it in Germany? |
| 16:01 |
independent56 |
In fact, we don't even need minetest for this. |
| 16:01 |
independent56 |
Just a small web interface to control the bot |
| 16:03 |
independent56 |
I can even add a speaker and laser gun which people can also control remotely |
| 16:12 |
proller |
use https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/12142 and serve whole world from one server |
| 16:20 |
independent56 |
Good idea |
| 16:21 |
independent56 |
But i like my solution more because more 56independent.github.io/portfolio credit lol |
| 16:21 |
independent56 |
*http://56independent.gitlab.io/portfolio |
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