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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Dynamic media question. | Case 1) Say a player gets sent a music track with dynamic media (ephemeral = true). Then say they disconnect and reconnect, and then are sent the media again. Do they retrieve it from cache now, or will they have to re-download it from scratch. Case 2) Say the server restarts while they are disconnected. What happens now, does the situation change? |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> fuck it... you know what, I have to do it. |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> I'm going to make a proof of concept for the p2p style of minetest that uses luajit |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> am I even going to be able to use this without learning C? |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> wait, so I should be able to just do require("socket")? ofc assuming it's both installed and has insecure environment? |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> oh goly, I cant even figure out where this is supposed to be installed from |
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muurkha |
Fatalist error: that sounds awesome |
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muurkha |
in LuaJIT you can call pretty much anything you can call in C by using the LuaJIT FFI |
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sfan5 |
@MisterE in all cases the client always checks its local cache first |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I don't think we'd want to lock ourselves in to LuaJIT though |
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muurkha |
I guess it depends on what Fatalist error's objective is |
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lissobone |
Greetings. |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> sfan5 thank you |
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MTDiscord |
<Awkanimus> Are the minetest-dev meetings open to the public or closed door? |
| 15:14 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> they're open to the public but you should generally stay on topic and not derail meeting discussions I guess |
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MTDiscord |
<Awkanimus> Totally makes sense. I'm interested in fly-on-the-wall-ing. Where can I find the details for the meeting? |
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MisterE[m] |
Just be here in this channel on sunday |
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sfan5 |
not this one, #minetest-dev |
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MTDiscord |
<Awkanimus> Gotcha. Is there an agenda? |
| 15:21 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> yeah, check the dev wiki https://dev.minetest.net/Meetings |
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sfan5 |
!dev Meetings |
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MinetestBot |
"Core developer meetings are held when needed." - http://dev.minetest.net/Meetings |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> ah ninja'd |
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MTDiscord |
<Awkanimus> Awesome. Thanks! |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> I guess I just dont understand how to install luasockets? it looks like the source needs to be compiled |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> idek how to compile shit |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> luasockets is not a pure lua thing, it's a native library. |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> just install the luasocket package for your lua |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> wdym warr, explain... |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> you don't know how to compile shit -> luasockets is not shit -> therefore you DO know how to compile luasockets. |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> alright smartass, how do I use luasockets |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> lmfao |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> none of this makes sense tbh |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> how you use luasockets? so I assume you figured out how to install it, check the API reference then |
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lsabino |
in a ubuntu server, what's the diference between minetest and minetest server? |
| 20:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> well, no, I mean, both |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> I need to install it, but like, what does that entail |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> I can check the api for use in code |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> "luasockets will fix all of my problems, I just don't know how" |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> ik that |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> lsabino: minetest is the full fat client, minetestserver is a headless server without the client |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> I know how it will fix the problems, idk how to install it though |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> it's useful for a server where you don't want to pull in X and whatnot |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> To install luasockets, the easiest way is just to use your OS package manager. To use them, the easiest way is to read the official docs, which have examples. |
| 21:00 |
lsabino |
ROllerozxa thank you for your answer |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> I cant find the official docs... everytime i look for them there's seemingly like 20 sources |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> im assuming this is the official git?https://github.com/lunarmodules/luasocket |
| 21:01 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> have you tried luarocks? |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> oh, found it? https://lunarmodules.github.io/luasocket/ |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> no i havent tried luarocks |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> is it needed? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> https://aiq0.github.io/luasocket/index.html looks like what I used when I last did it, though I dunno how many forks or whatnot there could be. It was the first hit on DDG, so it wasn't hard to find... |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> luarocks is a lua library package manager, it saves these kind of headaches though windows might be a lost cause |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> but you're on linux now right, fatal? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I mostly don't worry about "which fork" since I try to stick to more "basic" sorts of features that won't vary much between forks. |
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diceLibrarian |
Memebuilder still sucks |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> diceLibrarian: cool, tell me something new |
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diceLibrarian |
and current variations require an increased node registration limit |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> what the fuck |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> literally no installation instructions at all |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1059578315997982730/image.png |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<diceLibrarian> welcome to hell Fatal |
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MTDiscord |
<diceLibrarian> hello Roller |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> that's more than enough I think |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> "I dont know how ur supposed to install it, but this is what it should look like lol" |
| 21:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> what the fuck are you on about |
| 21:07 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> otherwise I'm sure you can get it from your linux distro's package manager |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> IM ON FUCKING WINDOWSSSSSS |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> AHHHH |
| 21:07 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> cool, anyways, you should try luarocks |
| 21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> "unix, unix, did you try your package manager? on unix systems" |
| 21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> god dammit, programmers hate windows |
| 21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> not my fault you use an operating system without a package manager or a build toolchain ready at hand |
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diceLibrarian |
at least it's not MacOS |
| 21:17 |
MTDiscord |
<diceLibrarian> e |
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MTDiscord |
<diceLibrarian> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1059581316393341088/unknown-26.png |
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FavoritoHJS |
"install this other unknown 25 year old program" (reeeing intensifies from the compiler) |
| 21:19 |
FavoritoHJS |
Anyways, i imagine it should be possible to build with visual studio build tools |
| 21:19 |
FavoritoHJS |
you'll have to link as a dll |
| 21:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> I already have it installed |
| 21:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> WHYYY |
| 21:19 |
FavoritoHJS |
unsure how exactly to do it, though. |
| 21:20 |
BuckarooBanzai |
https://irc.rudin.io/uploads/7e6eff94817f9f4f/Screenshot_2023-01-02_22-18-57.png |
| 21:20 |
BuckarooBanzai |
Anyone else have 20+ seconds load time for the forums? ^ |
| 21:20 |
FavoritoHJS |
has been like that for like 2 months or so |
| 21:20 |
FavoritoHJS |
quick sanity check, do you have something in your start menu that says "Visual Studio 20xx) and does it have "x64 Native Tools Command Prompt for VS 2022"? |
| 21:21 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> forums has been slow for a long time, nothing new |
| 21:22 |
BuckarooBanzai |
FavoritoHJS: what start menu? :P (no, not really) |
| 21:22 |
BuckarooBanzai |
slow, yes, but this looks like a badly behaving throttling script IMO |
| 21:22 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> In the Windows "installing ... done!" you forgot the "oh wait why is my virus scanner screaming at me? Should I bypass that?" step. |
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FavoritoHJS |
ahh yes avast my hated |
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FavoritoHJS |
microsoft changes that every version or so. In w10 it's the button on the lower left, in w11 i think it's in the button on the center or so, and a submenu on that |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> ok I ran the luarocks installer |
| 21:24 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> now what |
| 21:24 |
FavoritoHJS |
oh, you are going that route |
| 21:24 |
FavoritoHJS |
i'm guessing luarocks should be added to the command line path |
| 21:24 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> it just flashes the console, and then... that's it |
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FavoritoHJS |
that's because it's a command line application, not a gui application |
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FavoritoHJS |
try running it from cmd.exe |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> ok, but id expect it to gimme a "installed successfully" |
| 21:25 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> or something |
| 21:25 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> whatever |
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MTDiscord |
<Flamore> I didn't know all package managers were supposed to launch graphical user interfaces |
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FavoritoHJS |
that's because afaik a program can't know whether it's being run from a gui and not close the window after finishing or from a command prompt |
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FavoritoHJS |
and even if it can I doubt many devs would bother |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> ok... now I have luarocks, now how do install luasockets, how'd this help me |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I think a program can know if it's being run in a console window, but that would require the programmers to know that that'd be an issue on Windows, as well as actually writing in a check specifically for that. |
| 21:27 |
FavoritoHJS |
`luarocks install [packagename]` |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> well this is particularly concerning... |
| 21:27 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1059583812671127653/image.png |
| 21:27 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1059583812981502083/image.png |
| 21:29 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you don't recognize the sign that you need to run stuff in a console window, and know how to do so, then you're probably not in the target audience for a programming library like this, I guess. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Looks like you found a chinese-language fork. |
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FavoritoHJS |
did you typo something? |
| 21:29 |
FavoritoHJS |
i imagine you downloaded a package with a very similar but not identical name |
| 21:30 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I have no idea how luarocks handles forks and alternatives, i.e. does it have a "preferred" one, is it first-come-first-served, or are there alternatives but it's just picking an arbitrary one? |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> that's not what I mean warr, I just dont know how to use it, or if it installed properly |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> luarocks doesnt seem to be installed after I ran the exe file |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> that's what im confused about |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1059584770788560976/image.png |
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FavoritoHJS |
oh, that means the luarocks exe is self-contained |
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MTDiscord |
<SolarShrine> is it even on PATH |
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FavoritoHJS |
switch directory to where you extracted the files and try again |
| 21:32 |
MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> ok i used bash to run it |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you want to check if you've installed it properly, you can get a "yes" or "maybe" answer by just opening a lua REPL and trying to require("sockets") or whatever. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> if that works, then YAY. If it doesn't, then it might not be properly installed, OR you might not have your repl or env configured right or something. |
| 21:33 |
FavoritoHJS |
warr, i have a question, does minetest require something special to load external dlls? |
| 21:33 |
FavoritoHJS |
as in external lua modules |
| 21:33 |
MTDiscord |
<Flamore> yea it needs a special unsafe mod |
| 21:33 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yes, if you want to run it inside MT, you'll need either trusted mod status and an insecure env, or you might need to disable mod security entirely. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> IIRC you can access the "base" luasockets library from a regular trusted mod. If you want to use the unix sockets sub-component, then you need to disable mod security entirely because mod security still breaks it even from a trusted mod. |
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FavoritoHJS |
oh, so you won't have to recompile minetest for it to recognize you have a library? |
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FavoritoHJS |
also, i'm curious what exactly fatalist needs luasockets for |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Lua can load its own libraries, so long as the software it's embedded in doesn't disallow this. This means MT doesn't need to support luasockets or various other lua libs specifically, it just needs to allow lua's built-in library loader to load them. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> So like your can use MT <-> Lua <-> LuaSockets and MT and luasockets don't need to know anything about each other. |
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sfan5 |
BuckarooBanzai: yes that's the rate limiting |
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sfan5 |
it applies not only to php pages but all assets |
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FavoritoHJS |
i wonder why the latency is so high |
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FavoritoHJS |
also it rate limiting can be reduced for "light" assets like static pages or small icons |
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sfan5 |
guess what I suggested the day the ratelimit was configured |
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FavoritoHJS |
that way you get most of the page in a second but bandwidth is still under control |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> the ratelimit really needs to be lessened in general |
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FavoritoHJS |
so who do I have to scream to fix this? celeron?? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Does anybody else remember dial-up internet? Watching the forums load for the first time is so nostalgic... |
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FavoritoHJS |
you can almost hear your hard drive scream away |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> why is it just assuming i have 5.4 |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1059590294510764112/image.png |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> what the fuck |
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sfan5 |
FavoritoHJS: yes |
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MTDiscord |
<Fatalist error> wait... oh shit i have to have it with a lua installation |
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definitelya |
I'm so used to how slow the forum is, that if it suddenly became faster, I'd be thinking something is off. :D |
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MTDiscord |
<Flamore> remove all multimedia and make the interface accessible by telnet only, it'll be 10x faster |
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lsabino |
I have a server with Ubuntu 20.04. I was install minetest from ppa on launchpad, but now I removed it and I'm trying to run minetest-server but I found error. I'm confused about directorys. The Minetest-server will to use the mods and worlds on my user folder or is there a specific local |
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MTDiscord |
<Niklp> any crashlogs? |
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lsabino |
I didnt find it, I purged the minetest now and when I try to run it list the oldest worlds, but I havent the directory |
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lsabino |
I'll start the new world |
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lsabino |
the header of message: Multiple worlds are available. |
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lsabino |
Please select one using --worldname <name> or --world <path> |
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lsabino |
oh and minetest-server is on /usr/games/ is it correct? |
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lsabino |
sorry. I was wrong, the oldest worlds is here yet |
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lsabino |
but the debug.txt doesn't log this |
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