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Parnikkapore_m |
independent56: If you're still here, prior work on trying to get some sort of consistency across English dialects: https://www.shavian.info/spelling/ |
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hn_ |
quick question - someone know how to get map name while in-game? not game name. world name... |
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hn_ |
was trying to make some config using /set but i dont see changing world.mt ... and thought i mess up with other map ;p |
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hn_ |
died chat ? |
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hn_ |
died chat |
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ROllerozxa |
sleepy chat |
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hn_ |
ye... |
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independent56 |
When's the funeral? |
| 12:15 |
independent56 |
On the topic of sleepy: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Gtb4NtYxCl65RpBkWb2M3W5c0fRGApkAPaEu8UtzjAzzQtMKNuWpDmYQvGEvbIC9AiJKlnm1VRh5uqOV88MFeZc-6XLJ_ohYpjVwnKNpvFwbRxlwSRqBW4CuH5VRumoCql0r5HtzLsh71pW8798g30VzIGOMRndJ6l1URaUOgSVbjueUrOq7esCiHIpTxHfPXAcCAFaoLDTsrCnMU13ZD9GE5d8sXFvSrzZUroZhWmMHQuCgv63F2KGLeKm7LzuEGdeU-rAIJnGx7WPvc35BGqR1k7ECm44LebHU1C1dSViHoJEmWVE1l5QWtbwfzqYejJGQ8Kauz1VKNthZ6OjyP2K-LWyPE2GUO7ZFmRrp3OcaOb7ml8oV6386DUNeMpnh1cTcYI |
| 12:15 |
independent56 |
i9k10Gbno2HNjMmTd8HUdSw0S2AWXPbwfUVETmhUqxv0tvGvpfclWtDV7shuoX2r5vRzkAuBKcTjf3dv2PG3WdcbXaw3NKkKzlGBM9isgc-6v2RGA0rNnq1GO-UYzX97hGtNFNWwBxcebhGGI-h5bPLPT_VDZHFcFFd2bEMM0xCvH4UShppqGP3S-fppr0_pOI4zMCid606uzq0OBe85VJzaVlX9zG7uZTkCTcH0z-2IStci0w2gjdjq2y0SuNzeKWZs9f7OIFWmLE2FC6y4HahzFk1Hlg4zyXVsTldI2u0zPjjSpqzxaNARITKhZxi-dw7LiLeTaZTTfl2l6BkqAOg4eaULatv6bQ29Ygua2WsknqkwPkdoe7Dudzhdlt9vgSP8P-8aAHn8FNR6OF0Ly4Lqtrkjk=w692-h919-no?authuser=0 |
| 12:15 |
hn_ |
SPAAAAM |
| 12:16 |
independent56 |
https://bit.ly/3HZAdCC |
| 12:16 |
independent56 |
Sorry |
| 12:17 |
independent56 |
Never knew photos.google.com wa that bad |
| 12:17 |
hn_ |
;-; |
| 12:17 |
hn_ |
always was... google... |
| 12:17 |
independent56 |
I didn't mean to :-/ |
| 12:17 |
ROllerozxa |
aww :3 |
| 12:17 |
hn_ |
next time imgur pls ;-; |
| 12:17 |
independent56 |
Oh yeah sorry, i forgot it existed for a minue |
| 12:17 |
hn_ |
lol |
| 12:18 |
independent56 |
Let's wake up the chat. FINAL MINETEST IS BEST MINETEST |
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definitelya |
Y u keep saying "cat" in French? |
| 12:18 |
hn_ |
+1 |
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rubenwardy |
J'adore les chats |
| 12:19 |
rubenwardy |
J'aime les chats |
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definitelya |
:D moi aussi. |
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independent56 |
Yo amore gatas |
| 12:19 |
definitelya |
Lol |
| 12:19 |
independent56 |
gatas es muy bonita |
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rubenwardy |
J'ai un pamplemousse |
| 12:21 |
independent56 |
Thanks to Bitly's tracking, I know 4 people here are from the US, 1 from Sweeden, and another from poland |
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rubenwardy |
IRC exposes ip address, you don't need snoopy links to get them |
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definitelya |
Shhh xD |
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rubenwardy |
well. My IRC user's IP address will be that of rubenwardy.com |
| 12:22 |
rubenwardy |
because quassel-core |
| 12:22 |
independent56 |
Hmm |
| 12:23 |
independent56 |
Click on my IP address and there's my server |
| 12:23 |
independent56 |
Am i using my server as a proxy or my router as a server hosting solution? |
| 12:25 |
independent56 |
Looking at shodan, seems i need to run sudo apt upgrade.... 44 packages |
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independent56 |
What does "Quebec, CA" Mean? Quebec in California or Canada? |
| 12:46 |
independent56 |
Probably California is IRC is american and Americans love stealing place names |
| 12:47 |
ROllerozxa |
quebec is in canada |
| 12:47 |
independent56 |
I know, but americans steal place names |
| 12:47 |
independent56 |
Found it in california: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=quebec%20california#map=19/33.57400/-117.73417 |
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ROllerozxa |
huh, TIL |
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independent56 |
Can a table be like a = {"a", "b", "c"} and act like a list? |
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independent56 |
For example, item 2 ("b") is a[2]. Could i call a.2 and get the same response? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> a.2 would be a syntax error |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> simple indexing only works with name, i.e. a.name |
| 14:47 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> {1, 2, 3} doesn't act like a list, it is a list |
| 14:48 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> those items are stored in the array- rather than the hash part of the table; you can traverse them in order using the indices 1 to 3 (#t) |
| 14:50 |
independent56 |
Hmm |
| 14:50 |
independent56 |
How do i iterate over them in a for loop? |
| 14:53 |
calcul0n |
for index, value in ipairs(table) do... |
| 14:53 |
calcul0n |
note it's ipairs, not pairs |
| 14:53 |
independent56 |
Thanks |
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independent56 |
I know i sound like a noob, but does index and value need to be replaced with other values like the table value? Do i need to interface with them? |
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independent56 |
What do those words even mean in this context? |
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calcul0n |
index and value are just variable names here |
| 15:00 |
calcul0n |
in {"a", "b", "c"} index will be 1, 2, 3 and associated value "a", "b", "c" |
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independent56 |
OH! Makes sense, thanks |
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MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> you can also for i=1,#table do and then index the table yourself table[i] |
| 15:24 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> note that the two methods don't do the same thing; I'd always recommend ipairs |
| 15:27 |
MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> yeah, ipairs is guaranteed to stop at the first nil, #table isn't |
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independent56 |
I've been struggling Googling, so how do i turn a space-seperated string into a table, such as "O H S" being turned into "t = {"O", "H", "S"} |
| 15:37 |
sfan5 |
in plain lua, string.gmatch |
| 15:37 |
sfan5 |
Minetest has string.split refer to |
| 15:37 |
sfan5 |
!api |
| 15:37 |
MinetestBot |
Someone thinks you should read the API docs, please go to: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
| 15:37 |
sfan5 |
for that |
| 15:37 |
independent56 |
Thanks |
| 15:38 |
independent56 |
ctrl+f string.gmatch returned nothing |
| 15:38 |
independent56 |
Oh wait,string.split is waht you meant |
| 15:52 |
hn_ |
someone know why /set command cant set default permissions? i cant find modified entry neither in game.mt , minetest.conf neither other .txt files in world directory... |
| 15:52 |
rubenwardy |
dedicated servers can't write to minetest.conf |
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hn_ |
(yes, i ask again) |
| 15:53 |
hn_ |
rubenwardy: no its not dedicated. its private server |
| 15:54 |
rubenwardy |
dedicated meaning minetest --server or minetestserver |
| 15:54 |
hn_ |
from gui ran |
| 15:55 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> independenent56: do you actually need the table, or is looping over the parts enough? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> independent56* |
| 15:56 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> because if you want to iterate, gmatch is actually shorter than ipairs + MT's split |
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independent56 |
Oh hi, sorry. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> for match in ("O H S"):gmatch"%s+" do print(match) end |
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hn_ |
? |
| 15:57 |
independent56 |
I have a train with a routing codes in a space-seperated string such as "O S L", and i want to check against a table for any matches, such as S.stations.1.rc = {"O", "H"} |
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independent56 |
I need to see if i get a match or not |
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independent56 |
This would return true, as "O" is present in both |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> then you should use the hash part of the table |
| 16:04 |
independent_ |
Sorry, i've been away from programming so i don't know what you mean |
| 16:05 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> i.e. your table should be rc = {O = true, H = true} |
| 16:05 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> then you can check if rc[match] then ... end |
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independent_ |
hmm |
| 16:06 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> local any_match = false; for match in ("O H S"):gmatch"%s+" do if ({O = true, H = true})[match] then any_match = true break end end; print(any_match) |
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independent_ |
hmm |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> %S* |
| 16:07 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> (non-space characters) |
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independent_ |
Thanks |
| 16:10 |
independent_ |
%S* or %S+ just to be sure? |
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calcul0n |
%S+ i think, * means any number, + means one or more |
| 16:26 |
calcul0n |
(where any number can be zero) |
| 16:27 |
independent56 |
hmm |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> %S+ |
| 16:29 |
independent56 |
Where do i put the code that acts when it matches, and where if not? |
| 16:29 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Explanation: One or more non-space characters, greedily |
| 16:29 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> inside the for? |
| 16:29 |
independent56 |
Inside the big break line or the small if statment? |
| 16:29 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> what |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> local any_match = false; for match in ("O H S"):gmatch"%S+" do if ({O = true, H = true})[match] then any_match = true break end end; print(any_match) will tell you whether any match exists, it's a boolean stored in any_match |
| 16:30 |
independent56 |
https://pastebin.com/4rfAeYQQ |
| 16:30 |
independent56 |
What line do i put the code which acts upon a match? |
| 16:30 |
independent56 |
like the code which runs if the string and table match |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> you don't need the if at the end |
| 16:31 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> you probably want some if any_match then ... end after the for loop? |
| 16:31 |
independent56 |
Ah, so around line 7 |
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independent56 |
And minus 13 an 14 |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> (S.stations[index].rc)[match] - you don't need the parenthesis here |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> (RC):gmatch"%S+" - same here |
| 16:31 |
independent56 |
Thanks |
| 16:31 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> you just need them when you have table or string literals |
| 16:31 |
independent56 |
Ok |
| 16:32 |
independent56 |
It's just that i have experience with Python and SH |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> it's a syntactical quirk which is required because Lua allows table & str calls |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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independent56 |
I'm just really tired because i had instant instead of moka pot coffee |
| 16:33 |
independent56 |
Oh and also i slept at 00:30 and woke up at 07:15 |
| 16:35 |
independent56 |
Ok, so we have found a match with RC and the table. Where does Lua go to run code which happens when the match occurs? |
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muurkha |
Monterrey usually, Aspen in ski season |
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muurkha |
Monterrey usually, Aspen in ski season |
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Krock |
Monterrey usually, Aspen in ski season |
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sfan5 |
quick quiz: what is wrong with this condition |
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sfan5 |
if variable_name or 0 < 0.5 then |
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hn_ |
INFINITE LOOP DETECTED !!! |
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muurkha |
heh |
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Krock |
sfan5: operator precedence |
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Krock |
would be stupid to have OR evaluated before other logical or arithmetic expressions |
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rubenwardy |
GPT-3 says "The condition is always true." |
| 17:25 |
rubenwardy |
"The condition will always be true because the value of 0 is always less than 0.5." |
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Krock |
GPT-3 is actually smart |
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hn_ |
i didnt said recursion sometimes ? |
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Krock |
does your 24 core beast calculate that? |
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Krock |
(or was it more cores?) |
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hn_ |
lmao wat ? |
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Krock |
question to rubenwardy |
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rubenwardy |
it's in the cloud |
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hn_ |
a. ok. |
| 17:26 |
Krock |
what a convenient place |
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rubenwardy |
I was wondering if it could tell that () is missing |
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rubenwardy |
but it can't |
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Krock |
it can't know the developer's intentions |
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Krock |
like gcc always warns about a comparison of 0 < 0 in Minetest, even though it's a perfectly reasonable macro |
| 17:27 |
Krock |
something about the serialization version that's zero |
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celeron55 |
well, you could ask GPT-3 to give an alternative explanation |
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celeron55 |
and it might come up with () |
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Krock |
or if true then |
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rubenwardy |
if variable_name or (0 < 0.5) then |
| 17:30 |
rubenwardy |
err no |
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muurkha |
one possible way to solve problems like this in programming language design is to use a partial order on operator precedence rather than a total order up to equality classes |
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celeron55 |
that's a weird way to write that though, assuming 0 and 0.5 are actually literals and not a simplification |
| 17:32 |
muurkha |
if "or" and "<" have precedence that is neither greater, less, or equal, you can arrange it so that attempting to parse that expression results in a parse error rather than an unintended parse |
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muurkha |
until you add parens |
| 17:32 |
celeron55 |
of course it might be part of a set of similar statements where in other lines that format makes more sense |
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Krock |
muurkha: well... then you'll end up with LISP |
| 17:33 |
muurkha |
Krock: no, you can eliminate *some* operator precedence relationships without eliminating *all* of them |
| 17:33 |
celeron55 |
altough, well, i guess the point is to not repeat the variable name |
| 17:34 |
muurkha |
`if (variable name or 0) < 0.5 then` is a reasonable way to avoid "attempt to compare nil with number" when 0 is a good default for variable_name |
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muurkha |
much as I am annoyed by Lua's inclination to produce erroneous results rather than errors (Python's "Errors should never pass silently. In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.") it does not extend to treating nil as 0 in numeric contexts |
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muurkha |
in Wheat, an experimental language I worked on once, errors were values similar to nil or NaN, which would propagate through expressions in a contagious way until their spread was stoppe |
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muurkha |
d |
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muurkha |
if a method (Wheat was OO) executed an expression statement that evaluated to an error value, presumably for side effects, that error would become the return value of the method |
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muurkha |
the equivalent of `variable_name or 0` was `variable_name || 0`, which would evaluate to 0 iff variable_name was ??? |
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muurkha |
but if you tried to access a nonexistent property, instead you would get an error value |
| 17:40 |
muurkha |
there was an !! operator which would allow you to handle the error with a different value, so you could write `variable_name !! 0` for the analogous effect |
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rubenwardy |
!tell Wuzzy why is the origin deprecated? Seems useful https://content.minetest.net/packages/Wuzzy/origin/ |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when Wuzzy is around |
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ROllerozxa |
most likely considered deprecated in favour of https://content.minetest.net/packages/Wuzzy/spawnbuilder/ |
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rubenwardy |
ok, added link |
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sfan5 |
good news, my game is almost ready for playtesting |
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sfan5 |
or rather it is complete |
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hn_ |
ok, good.. |
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sfan5 |
!server name:mystery |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: Mystery Game Playtest | 68.183.77.9 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 5.6.0-dev / ? | Ping: 16ms |
| 20:09 |
sfan5 |
there we go |
| 20:17 |
independent56 |
oooh |
| 20:21 |
MinetestBot |
[git] rollerozxa -> minetest/minetest: Improve warnings when no games or only devtest is installed (#11955) 17709d7 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/17709d7d0f8e394d2e22545e67cc39bca831c2e7 (2022-06-29T20:20:12Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Lua API: Refer to the update_translations tool (#12419) de8ce9a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/de8ce9a8ff999c7ab9562528a972d5426a9f7cec (2022-06-29T20:21:00Z) |
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sfan5 |
proof that ores work on my machine(tm) https://0x0.st/oSG1.png |
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independent56 |
i wish |
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Krock |
(and they didn't on the server) |
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independent56 |
That was fun |
| 22:29 |
independent56 |
Now i want to go to my server and just walk around, enjoying each biome and texture and sound and feature |
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sfan5 |
you should |
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independent56 |
One thing i will miss is the low memory usage |
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independent56 |
Makes me realise how bloated my server is |
| 22:36 |
independent56 |
Oh and also TRAINS |
| 22:37 |
independent56 |
Makes me appreciate the difference between 5.5-DEV and 0.3 |
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sfan5 |
I mean it wouldn't be impossible to mod it... |
| 22:39 |
sfan5 |
so you could have your trains, mesecons, technic, ... |
| 22:39 |
sfan5 |
but at that point why not use MTG |
| 22:49 |
independent56 |
wow, mapgen has went so far. I went down a path and saw huge cliffs and then oceans and small desert islands andallformsof variety |
| 22:49 |
independent56 |
mapgen developers should give themselves a realclap on the back |
| 22:52 |
sfan5 |
oh man this was a missed opportunity to profile the server during real world usage |
| 22:54 |
independent56 |
Naw |
| 22:55 |
sfan5 |
also could have enabled prometheus metrics |
| 22:58 |
independent56 |
Are jungle biomes any bigger then regular biomes or is it an illusion? |
| 23:01 |
MidasTouchHomeco |
I believe Minetest uses a Thermal map to do so. |
| 23:01 |
MidasTouchHomeco |
So it would be random I think. |
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independent56 |
Hmm |
| 23:11 |
independent56 |
Maybe it's survivorship bias; i only remember what evidence proves my theory |
| 23:14 |
independent56 |
Based on ContentDB reviews, we should discontinue Minetest Game |
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MinetestBot |
lsab: Jun-08 09:32 UTC <BuckarooBanzai> if you only have a handful of passwords you could use `/setpassword <playername> <password>` |
| 23:21 |
lsab |
hi. In my private server I can't to craft sandstone with sand, the recipe doesn't work after activate technic I guess |
| 23:23 |
lsab |
someone knows how to fix? |
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lsab |
I get to fix. I found this link https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/commit/69feeef0afc0d66dd8809481c434ba0afa33600e?diff=split |
| 23:43 |
lsab |
but I change the line 24 to sand e it works |
