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| 00:05 |
settl3r[m] |
Is a MV compressor needed to compress 1 desert sand (back) into 1 desert stone? |
| 00:06 |
settl3r[m] |
i tried with LV compressor, but it stayed idle; when i put 2 sand in the slot, it compresed it into desert sandstone. |
| 00:06 |
settl3r[m] |
s/compresed/compressed/ |
| 00:06 |
settl3r[m] |
can i still extract some rubber/latex out of empty rubber tree log? |
| 00:08 |
settl3r[m] |
(i plan to have renewable stone in my (sky)base, crafted out of (monster-)farmed desert sand) |
| 00:08 |
settl3r[m] |
* desert sand, to craft renewable stone tools) |
| 00:10 |
settl3r[m] |
* desert sand, to craft renewable stone tools, this will later enable me to have renewable dirt and glass, too) |
| 00:12 |
settl3r[m] |
* desert sand, to craft renewable stone tools, this (desert sand), * ) will later enable me to have renewable dirt and glass, too) |
| 00:13 |
settl3r[m] |
but.. the question is how to farm big amounts of desert sand, just by "harvesting" sand monsters.. |
| 00:13 |
settl3r[m] |
has anyone ever created a sand-monster farm in big style? |
| 00:15 |
settl3r[m] |
or should i add a dirt-monster farm, too? |
| 00:15 |
settl3r[m] |
* farm, too? (so that it needs less space) |
| 00:15 |
settl3r[m] |
oh.. i forgot about the stone-monster.. |
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settl3r[m] |
frantically looking for mob info |
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Lesha_Vel |
hi my guys |
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erle |
Warr1024 from zero to “nuke it from orbit” how much do you love or hate the stanley parable? |
| 13:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I love the idea of it a lot. I haven't played it, figured I probably never would, and have had most of it spoiled for me already by LP's. |
| 13:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I can imagine myself making a decision tree and exhaustively searching for every possible ending, being annoyed when I find out that there are some that I missed, and then being disappointed when I find out that there aren't an infinite number of them. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Fix mods not being recursively enabled 9824a45 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/9824a451bb8d6f632aa80abc186f440f8d5a745a (2022-05-08T13:01:32Z) |
| 13:15 |
MinetestBot |
[git] TurkeyMcMac -> minetest/minetest: Fix enabling of dependencies with identical names (#12253) 54bc8a7 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/54bc8a7627529b1736002a3c942858e0d59ceeba (2022-05-08T13:14:14Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] TurkeyMcMac -> minetest/minetest: Enable dependencies when enabling modpacks (#12202) f10a260 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f10a260301df44362f2496de4eadc8a8170e10ab (2022-05-08T15:21:59Z) |
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| 15:45 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> If MT segfaults, should I worry or even tell someone? Or does it simply happen occasionally and as long as it doesn't happen every other minute, I can simply ignore? |
| 15:46 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Like so: [380657.890411] Server[1360]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f966d71d4be sp 00007f966b244780 error 6 in libstdc++.so.6.0.30[7f966d686000+101000] |
| 15:46 |
sfan5 |
that's bug report worthy |
| 15:46 |
Krock |
attach gdb and get more information |
| 15:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Ok. But I have not the faintest idea what caused it. I can attach the binary if you want, or some snippet of a verbose debug.txt, but that's about it |
| 15:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Can I attach gdb AFTER serverstart? |
| 15:48 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 15:49 |
sfan5 |
you can also directly start any program with gdb without need for any interactive input like so https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/util/test_multiplayer.sh#L23 |
| 15:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Might that be a cause? 2022-05-08 17:36:52: VERBOSE[ConnectionSend]: con(4/1)Ran out of sequence numbers! |
| 15:54 |
Krock |
no, that's because a mod tries to send too much data |
| 15:57 |
sfan5 |
first time I've seen that, you might have some an issue |
| 15:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Ok, what do I do? I got the dmesg message, I got the last 4 seconds (aka 4000 lines) of verbose debug.txt before the crash. dmesg added this: |
| 15:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> [380657.890844] Code: 49 89 e4 4c 89 e7 e8 21 ca f6 ff 80 3c 24 00 74 21 48 8b 03 48 8b 40 e8 48 8b bc 03 e8 00 00 00 48 8b 47 28 48 3b 47 30 73 52 <40> 88 28 48 83 47 28 01 48 8b 44 24 08 48 8b 10 48 03 42 e8 48 89 |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Anything else I need to gather? Does it maybe have an effect that the machines is on debian testing? |
| 16:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> MT is on the backport branch |
| 16:01 |
sfan5 |
the "Code:" part isn't any useful |
| 16:01 |
sfan5 |
if you have a debug build you can try with addr2line -pfC -e .../minetestserver 00007f966d71d4be and see if there's an useful result |
| 16:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Unfortunately its no debug build |
| 16:03 |
sfan5 |
oh did I say debug build, debug symbols is enough |
| 16:04 |
sfan5 |
you can build with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RelWithDebInfo next time and you'll have debug symbols but no performance loss |
| 16:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> ... no performance loss? Ok, will do that. |
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| 16:07 |
erle |
owo what's this |
| 16:09 |
erle |
Fleckenstein have you seen these two quallity of life improvement mods i made? https://content.minetest.net/packages/erlehmann/mcl_quick_harvest_replant/ https://content.minetest.net/packages/erlehmann/mcl_lever_status_indicator/ |
| 16:09 |
erle |
Fleckenstein if you have additional ideas, i'm interested! |
| 16:12 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Should I add the binary to the bugreport? I'm not comfortable attaching the 4000 lines of verbose debug.txt, there are plenty of IP addresses in there. |
| 16:13 |
sfan5 |
nah not needed and for debug.txt the last 5-10 lines is ok |
| 16:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> ok |
| 16:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Any version numbers of other libs I should gather? |
| 16:19 |
sfan5 |
unlikely to matter |
| 16:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> ok. anything I am missing? It's in #12296 |
| 16:19 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12296 -- segfault minetestserver backport branch |
| 16:20 |
sfan5 |
looks good |
| 16:21 |
sfan5 |
pathfinder is a likely suspect |
| 16:25 |
MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> We have a testserver, its on the same machine, I could very well build that one with Full Debug Stuff (tm) and attach any gizmo you like (as long as you guide me through). I'm only not certain regarding a possible repro |
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| 17:11 |
MinetestBot |
[git] Zughy -> minetest/minetest: Remove unused variable WARN_INIT 6f0c966 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/6f0c966877f83f585c6b3fd26f8b70e5d22525b3 (2022-05-08T17:11:15Z) |
| 17:11 |
MinetestBot |
[git] rollerozxa -> minetest/minetest: Fix mapblock geometry optimisation not working f128f4c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f128f4cba14aad9c7bbf46b79bb6147a49a3595b (2022-05-08T17:11:44Z) |
| 17:14 |
MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: item_entity: Cache collisionbox for use in on_step 7fff9da https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7fff9da71d2de352e0afea7482fc2e26534a51a4 (2022-05-08T17:12:10Z) |
| 17:14 |
MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Cache serialized mapblocks during sending 1fa4f58 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/1fa4f58080b068920d7611291709377072d0cd00 (2022-05-08T17:12:10Z) |
| 17:14 |
MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Consolidate some data structures in MapBlockMesh a66e6d4 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a66e6d4dff0b1dad065297442981718d7f7aec55 (2022-05-08T17:12:10Z) |
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| 21:36 |
sfan5 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=409785#p409785 (linked in the blog article) |
| 21:36 |
sfan5 |
hey this sounds nice |
| 22:17 |
erle |
> Use the air pump to eliminate the vacuum inside a building. |
| 22:17 |
erle |
haha this reminds me of the mesecraft moon |
| 22:17 |
rubenwardy |
https://blog.minetest.net/2022/05/08/April/ |
| 22:19 |
erle |
> But be aware, this may reduce performance - at least until 5.6.0. |
| 22:19 |
erle |
bold promises! :D |
| 22:32 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> That air pump thing is why I keep the air compressor in the garage and all my vacuums in the house. |
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Soni |
we'd like to propose a social experiment: community fork of minetest? |
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| 23:09 |
wsor |
social experiment is response to question, or actually making that |
| 23:10 |
erle |
Soni for what reason? |
| 23:11 |
Soni |
wsor: actually making that |
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| 23:12 |
Soni |
this is a bit of a hot take, but basically: https://soniex2.autistic.space/posts/2022/02/15-ganarchy-communities.xhtml see also https://github.com/arclanguage/anarki/ |
| 23:15 |
wsor |
hot take, given paramat is gone, and that upstream has picked up pace (sfan5 isnt directly carrying minetest anymore), and roadmap things are be addressed at meetings, rather than being closed for no reason because a dev cant be bothered to review them, seems the need for a community fork is low atm |
| 23:15 |
wsor |
combine that with most minetest forks die unless there soft forks |
| 23:16 |
Soni |
most minetest forks aren't an officially supported social experiment |
| 23:17 |
wsor |
if you want your potentially social experiment to be officially support, *good luck* |
| 23:20 |
wsor |
disclaimer the above: sfan 5 still does a decent chunk of the engine (look no further than the insights tab), its not as much as it was in the recent past |
| 23:33 |
erle |
Soni look, you need a reason for making a fork |
| 23:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ^this |
| 23:34 |
erle |
Soni waspsaliva for example for example has *way* better CSM support |
| 23:36 |
Soni |
the reason is "have fun" :p |
| 23:38 |
erle |
Soni that's your reason, you need to motivate others too |
| 23:40 |
Soni |
ah |
| 23:41 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> A fork of MT is actually a good idea. In fact, lots of people should make separate forks. And if you manage to make any improvements in your fork, let everyone know. If only there were some way to tell people that you made a change that people are Requested to Pull... |
| 23:42 |
Soni |
"do you make mods but they're not fitting for the "base" game and you wanna play around with throwing mods together and seeing how others like it? they get to decide if they wanna keep it or not and then they get to propagate those changes! and everyone gets to have their own turn adding and removing mods! forever! and it can be fun!" |
| 23:42 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Haha, wow, that sounds like exactly the kind of thing for which a fork isn't... |
| 23:43 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Just publish a modpack or a game. |
| 23:43 |
rubenwardy |
that sounds like a community _game_ |
| 23:43 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you're thinking of forking MTG, you don't have to; you can just fork from any of the dozens of MTG forks. |
| 23:44 |
rubenwardy |
forkin' ell |
| 23:44 |
Soni |
rubenwardy: yeah, tho we'd argue we were never specific about which parts to fork |
| 23:44 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The key point about making a fork is to only use it to change things you can't already change without needing a fork. |
| 23:44 |
Soni |
also, how do you bring all those MTG forks together, for some definition of "together"? |
| 23:45 |
erle |
pick and mix |
| 23:45 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Being unable to agree on a direction forward sounds less like an MTG fork and more like just MTG... |
| 23:45 |
erle |
same way you bring skittles and m&ms together |
| 23:46 |
Soni |
erle: yep! tho it'd be nice if there were an interface/app that made it easier. |
| 23:46 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I have never tried the Skittles and M&Ms thing but I'd love to develop a taste for it so I can be eating it when I offer it to unsuspecting victims. |
| 23:46 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> An interface for mixing and matching mods, you mean sort of like the Content tab in MT? |
| 23:47 |
Soni |
nah, for picking and mixing forks of MTG |
| 23:47 |
erle |
Warr1024 i have tried the “normal jelly beans + the ones that are 50% disgusting and are HP-branded” |
| 23:48 |
erle |
everyone in the in-group knew what the ”safe” colors were |
| 23:48 |
Soni |
like an index of forks |
| 23:48 |
Soni |
or something like that |
| 23:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Beanboozled? |
| 23:48 |
erle |
i think so |
| 23:48 |
erle |
it lead to someone eating all the blue ones, from which half of them tasted like toothpaste |
| 23:48 |
erle |
and i was like HOW COULD YOU |
| 23:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I thought it was baby wipes or something |
| 23:49 |
erle |
and the person was like I PUT TOOTHPASTE IN MY MOUTH EVERY MORNING WHY ARE YOU SAYING IF CANDY TASTES LIKE THAT IT IS A BAD TASTE |
| 23:49 |
erle |
yes, there were some that tasted like shit |
| 23:49 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> And IIRC there were a few flavors where the gross version was actually better tasting and the only thing making it gross was the name. |
| 23:49 |
erle |
“baby wipes” is prob just because they don't want to write “tastes literally like shit” on the packaging |
| 23:49 |
erle |
Warr1024 i have the feeling you might be a toothpaste snacker |
| 23:50 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> They put flavors in it specifically so it won't taste terrible, at least to most people. |
| 23:51 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It's pretty dangerous to actually eat the stuff now with all the floride in it. It won't kill you outright, but you'll get soggy bones if you make a habit of it I think |
| 23:51 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Like if you develop a tube a day habit... |
| 23:51 |
erle |
what |
| 23:52 |
erle |
floride is that a floridian thing? |
| 23:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Autocorrect was only making it worsr |
| 23:52 |
erle |
(“floridian” means “from florida”) |
| 23:52 |
erle |
(at least my ex claimed that) |
| 23:52 |
erle |
(it sounds hilarous) |
| 23:52 |
mmuller |
yeah, I can verify that. |
| 23:53 |
erle |
Warr1024 did you want to write “bone hurting juice” instead? |
| 23:53 |
erle |
but autocorrect made it “floride” |
| 23:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I wouldn't drink bone hurting juice either, unless I had some compelling reason I needed hurty bones. |
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