Time Nick Message 00:05 settl3r[m] Is a MV compressor needed to compress 1 desert sand (back) into 1 desert stone? 00:06 settl3r[m] i tried with LV compressor, but it stayed idle; when i put 2 sand in the slot, it compresed it into desert sandstone. 00:06 settl3r[m] s/compresed/compressed/ 00:06 settl3r[m] can i still extract some rubber/latex out of empty rubber tree log? 00:08 settl3r[m] (i plan to have renewable stone in my (sky)base, crafted out of (monster-)farmed desert sand) 00:08 settl3r[m] * desert sand, to craft renewable stone tools) 00:10 settl3r[m] * desert sand, to craft renewable stone tools, this will later enable me to have renewable dirt and glass, too) 00:12 settl3r[m] * desert sand, to craft renewable stone tools, this (desert sand), * ) will later enable me to have renewable dirt and glass, too) 00:13 settl3r[m] but.. the question is how to farm big amounts of desert sand, just by "harvesting" sand monsters.. 00:13 settl3r[m] has anyone ever created a sand-monster farm in big style? 00:15 settl3r[m] or should i add a dirt-monster farm, too? 00:15 settl3r[m] * farm, too? (so that it needs less space) 00:15 settl3r[m] oh.. i forgot about the stone-monster.. 00:15 settl3r[m] frantically looking for mob info 09:16 Lesha_Vel hi my guys 12:51 erle Warr1024 from zero to “nuke it from orbit” how much do you love or hate the stanley parable? 13:02 MTDiscord I love the idea of it a lot. I haven't played it, figured I probably never would, and have had most of it spoiled for me already by LP's. 13:03 MTDiscord I can imagine myself making a decision tree and exhaustively searching for every possible ending, being annoyed when I find out that there are some that I missed, and then being disappointed when I find out that there aren't an infinite number of them. 13:10 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix mods not being recursively enabled 139824a45 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/9824a451bb8d6f632aa80abc186f440f8d5a745a (152022-05-08T13:01:32Z) 13:15 MinetestBot 02[git] 04TurkeyMcMac -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix enabling of dependencies with identical names (#12253) 1354bc8a7 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/54bc8a7627529b1736002a3c942858e0d59ceeba (152022-05-08T13:14:14Z) 15:23 MinetestBot 02[git] 04TurkeyMcMac -> 03minetest/minetest: Enable dependencies when enabling modpacks (#12202) 13f10a260 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f10a260301df44362f2496de4eadc8a8170e10ab (152022-05-08T15:21:59Z) 15:45 MTDiscord If MT segfaults, should I worry or even tell someone? Or does it simply happen occasionally and as long as it doesn't happen every other minute, I can simply ignore? 15:46 MTDiscord Like so: [380657.890411] Server[1360]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f966d71d4be sp 00007f966b244780 error 6 in libstdc++.so.6.0.30[7f966d686000+101000] 15:46 sfan5 that's bug report worthy 15:46 Krock attach gdb and get more information 15:47 MTDiscord Ok. But I have not the faintest idea what caused it. I can attach the binary if you want, or some snippet of a verbose debug.txt, but that's about it 15:48 MTDiscord Can I attach gdb AFTER serverstart? 15:48 sfan5 yes 15:49 sfan5 you can also directly start any program with gdb without need for any interactive input like so https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/util/test_multiplayer.sh#L23 15:53 MTDiscord Might that be a cause? 2022-05-08 17:36:52: VERBOSE[ConnectionSend]: con(4/1)Ran out of sequence numbers! 15:54 Krock no, that's because a mod tries to send too much data 15:57 sfan5 first time I've seen that, you might have some an issue 15:58 MTDiscord Ok, what do I do? I got the dmesg message, I got the last 4 seconds (aka 4000 lines) of verbose debug.txt before the crash. dmesg added this: 15:58 MTDiscord [380657.890844] Code: 49 89 e4 4c 89 e7 e8 21 ca f6 ff 80 3c 24 00 74 21 48 8b 03 48 8b 40 e8 48 8b bc 03 e8 00 00 00 48 8b 47 28 48 3b 47 30 73 52 <40> 88 28 48 83 47 28 01 48 8b 44 24 08 48 8b 10 48 03 42 e8 48 89 15:59 MTDiscord Anything else I need to gather? Does it maybe have an effect that the machines is on debian testing? 16:00 MTDiscord MT is on the backport branch 16:01 sfan5 the "Code:" part isn't any useful 16:01 sfan5 if you have a debug build you can try with addr2line -pfC -e .../minetestserver 00007f966d71d4be and see if there's an useful result 16:03 MTDiscord Unfortunately its no debug build 16:03 sfan5 oh did I say debug build, debug symbols is enough 16:04 sfan5 you can build with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RelWithDebInfo next time and you'll have debug symbols but no performance loss 16:04 MTDiscord ... no performance loss? Ok, will do that. 16:07 erle owo what's this 16:09 erle Fleckenstein have you seen these two quallity of life improvement mods i made? https://content.minetest.net/packages/erlehmann/mcl_quick_harvest_replant/ https://content.minetest.net/packages/erlehmann/mcl_lever_status_indicator/ 16:09 erle Fleckenstein if you have additional ideas, i'm interested! 16:12 MTDiscord Should I add the binary to the bugreport? I'm not comfortable attaching the 4000 lines of verbose debug.txt, there are plenty of IP addresses in there. 16:13 sfan5 nah not needed and for debug.txt the last 5-10 lines is ok 16:14 MTDiscord ok 16:18 MTDiscord Any version numbers of other libs I should gather? 16:19 sfan5 unlikely to matter 16:19 MTDiscord ok. anything I am missing? It's in #12296 16:19 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12296 -- segfault minetestserver backport branch 16:20 sfan5 looks good 16:21 sfan5 pathfinder is a likely suspect 16:25 MTDiscord We have a testserver, its on the same machine, I could very well build that one with Full Debug Stuff (tm) and attach any gizmo you like (as long as you guide me through). I'm only not certain regarding a possible repro 17:11 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zughy -> 03minetest/minetest: Remove unused variable WARN_INIT 136f0c966 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/6f0c966877f83f585c6b3fd26f8b70e5d22525b3 (152022-05-08T17:11:15Z) 17:11 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rollerozxa -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix mapblock geometry optimisation not working 13f128f4c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f128f4cba14aad9c7bbf46b79bb6147a49a3595b (152022-05-08T17:11:44Z) 17:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: item_entity: Cache collisionbox for use in on_step 137fff9da https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7fff9da71d2de352e0afea7482fc2e26534a51a4 (152022-05-08T17:12:10Z) 17:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Cache serialized mapblocks during sending 131fa4f58 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/1fa4f58080b068920d7611291709377072d0cd00 (152022-05-08T17:12:10Z) 17:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Consolidate some data structures in MapBlockMesh 13a66e6d4 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a66e6d4dff0b1dad065297442981718d7f7aec55 (152022-05-08T17:12:10Z) 21:36 sfan5 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=409785#p409785 (linked in the blog article) 21:36 sfan5 hey this sounds nice 22:17 erle > Use the air pump to eliminate the vacuum inside a building. 22:17 erle haha this reminds me of the mesecraft moon 22:17 rubenwardy https://blog.minetest.net/2022/05/08/April/ 22:19 erle > But be aware, this may reduce performance - at least until 5.6.0. 22:19 erle bold promises! :D 22:32 MTDiscord That air pump thing is why I keep the air compressor in the garage and all my vacuums in the house. 22:57 Soni we'd like to propose a social experiment: community fork of minetest? 23:09 wsor social experiment is response to question, or actually making that 23:10 erle Soni for what reason? 23:11 Soni wsor: actually making that 23:12 Soni this is a bit of a hot take, but basically: https://soniex2.autistic.space/posts/2022/02/15-ganarchy-communities.xhtml see also https://github.com/arclanguage/anarki/ 23:15 wsor hot take, given paramat is gone, and that upstream has picked up pace (sfan5 isnt directly carrying minetest anymore), and roadmap things are be addressed at meetings, rather than being closed for no reason because a dev cant be bothered to review them, seems the need for a community fork is low atm 23:15 wsor combine that with most minetest forks die unless there soft forks 23:16 Soni most minetest forks aren't an officially supported social experiment 23:17 wsor if you want your potentially social experiment to be officially support, *good luck* 23:20 wsor disclaimer the above: sfan 5 still does a decent chunk of the engine (look no further than the insights tab), its not as much as it was in the recent past 23:33 erle Soni look, you need a reason for making a fork 23:34 MTDiscord ^this 23:34 erle Soni waspsaliva for example for example has *way* better CSM support 23:36 Soni the reason is "have fun" :p 23:38 erle Soni that's your reason, you need to motivate others too 23:40 Soni ah 23:41 MTDiscord A fork of MT is actually a good idea. In fact, lots of people should make separate forks. And if you manage to make any improvements in your fork, let everyone know. If only there were some way to tell people that you made a change that people are Requested to Pull... 23:42 Soni "do you make mods but they're not fitting for the "base" game and you wanna play around with throwing mods together and seeing how others like it? they get to decide if they wanna keep it or not and then they get to propagate those changes! and everyone gets to have their own turn adding and removing mods! forever! and it can be fun!" 23:42 MTDiscord Haha, wow, that sounds like exactly the kind of thing for which a fork isn't... 23:43 MTDiscord Just publish a modpack or a game. 23:43 rubenwardy that sounds like a community _game_ 23:43 MTDiscord If you're thinking of forking MTG, you don't have to; you can just fork from any of the dozens of MTG forks. 23:44 rubenwardy forkin' ell 23:44 Soni rubenwardy: yeah, tho we'd argue we were never specific about which parts to fork 23:44 MTDiscord The key point about making a fork is to only use it to change things you can't already change without needing a fork. 23:44 Soni also, how do you bring all those MTG forks together, for some definition of "together"? 23:45 erle pick and mix 23:45 MTDiscord Being unable to agree on a direction forward sounds less like an MTG fork and more like just MTG... 23:45 erle same way you bring skittles and m&ms together 23:46 Soni erle: yep! tho it'd be nice if there were an interface/app that made it easier. 23:46 MTDiscord I have never tried the Skittles and M&Ms thing but I'd love to develop a taste for it so I can be eating it when I offer it to unsuspecting victims. 23:46 MTDiscord An interface for mixing and matching mods, you mean sort of like the Content tab in MT? 23:47 Soni nah, for picking and mixing forks of MTG 23:47 erle Warr1024 i have tried the “normal jelly beans + the ones that are 50% disgusting and are HP-branded” 23:48 erle everyone in the in-group knew what the ”safe” colors were 23:48 Soni like an index of forks 23:48 Soni or something like that 23:48 MTDiscord Beanboozled? 23:48 erle i think so 23:48 erle it lead to someone eating all the blue ones, from which half of them tasted like toothpaste 23:48 erle and i was like HOW COULD YOU 23:48 MTDiscord I thought it was baby wipes or something 23:49 erle and the person was like I PUT TOOTHPASTE IN MY MOUTH EVERY MORNING WHY ARE YOU SAYING IF CANDY TASTES LIKE THAT IT IS A BAD TASTE 23:49 erle yes, there were some that tasted like shit 23:49 MTDiscord And IIRC there were a few flavors where the gross version was actually better tasting and the only thing making it gross was the name. 23:49 erle “baby wipes” is prob just because they don't want to write “tastes literally like shit” on the packaging 23:49 erle Warr1024 i have the feeling you might be a toothpaste snacker 23:50 MTDiscord They put flavors in it specifically so it won't taste terrible, at least to most people. 23:51 MTDiscord It's pretty dangerous to actually eat the stuff now with all the floride in it. It won't kill you outright, but you'll get soggy bones if you make a habit of it I think 23:51 MTDiscord Like if you develop a tube a day habit... 23:51 erle what 23:52 erle floride is that a floridian thing? 23:52 MTDiscord Autocorrect was only making it worsr 23:52 erle (“floridian” means “from florida”) 23:52 erle (at least my ex claimed that) 23:52 erle (it sounds hilarous) 23:52 mmuller yeah, I can verify that. 23:53 erle Warr1024 did you want to write “bone hurting juice” instead? 23:53 erle but autocorrect made it “floride” 23:53 MTDiscord I wouldn't drink bone hurting juice either, unless I had some compelling reason I needed hurty bones.