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MinetestBot |
Samson1: Mar-17 07:18 UTC <BuckarooBanzai> afaik: you can't load a WE schematic if there's an unknown node in it, the node has to be registered. an alternative would be to edit the WE file manually and replace the missing nodes with known ones |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ^or just add a alias for the node |
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Samson1 |
BuckarooBanzai Thanks. :) |
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What's the best server spawn location mod? |
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<MisterE> ...? |
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Samson1 |
Mod for setting server spawn. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> static spawn or whatever its called, in minetest-mods |
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Samson1 |
I know there are so many but somehow I can't seem to find any haha! |
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<Jonathon> https://github.com/minetest-mods/spawn_command |
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Samson1 |
oh, thanks. |
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How can I register in the Minetest Wiki? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Forum thread |
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InFerNo__ |
erlehmann, they are too young to understand what an IP is or what it's relevance is, they can barely read, but what they can do and know how to do is to click a server in the list, because it's the same as connecting to our internal server |
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erlehmann |
InFerNo__ yeah, well, did my information help you? |
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erlehmann |
also note that the last connected server may be pre-filled |
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InFerNo__ |
that list will be cleared |
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InFerNo__ |
I'm configuring my network now to filter that URL |
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erlehmann |
what OS do your kids use anyway? |
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InFerNo__ |
Arch Linux |
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erlehmann |
InFerNo__ you can probably just use ufw in that case |
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erlehmann |
do they have unrestricted internet access otherwise though? |
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erlehmann |
i mean i'd probably want to ONLY allow the server you designated |
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erlehmann |
instead of ONLY blocking the server list |
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MTDiscord |
<threehymns> Yad: Re: skybox. I added a custom skybox in Blockbomber if you want to look at that example. |
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InFerNo__ |
no, they don't have unrestricted internet access |
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Yad |
theehymns: Thanks :) |
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erlehmann |
InFerNo__ then i suggest to block everything else for port 30000 except the server you want them to have access to |
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erlehmann |
ok i just realized that any port can be used |
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InFerNo__ |
I think blocking the list would have better results as servers can have non-standard ports |
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erlehmann |
i am a dumbo and should be quiet |
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InFerNo__ |
sure, they could "search" for other servers, but they're not computer-savvy enough yet to realise they can copy the info and paste it into the game |
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InFerNo__ |
worries for later |
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erlehmann |
“they're not computer-savvy enough” until the kindergarden age son learns how to use a tiling window manager to watch more youtube |
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erlehmann |
happened to friends of mine hehe |
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erlehmann |
maybe i misremember it, but i think it was like that |
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InFerNo__ |
they already figured out how to bypass the youtube domain block by watching the videos embedded in duckduckgo |
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erlehmann |
also the kid now only gets served single videos downloaded with youtube-dl |
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InFerNo__ |
that's how I also ended up fixing it, I download what they want and for everything else there's youtube kids |
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erlehmann |
what is youtube kids? |
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erlehmann |
last i checked, youtube video autoplay is horrible |
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InFerNo__ |
age restricted youtube with parental controls |
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InFerNo__ |
youtubekids.com |
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erlehmann |
oh, i have a question |
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erlehmann |
does this take into account age rating of the culture or jurisdiction you are in? |
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InFerNo__ |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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erlehmann |
i mean stuff like “in europe violence is worse than sex, in US sex is worse than violence” (even if this is not accurate, you prob know what i mean) |
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erlehmann |
well, i guess you are in for a challenge once they figure out invidious |
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erlehmann |
countless hosts to block! |
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erlehmann |
:D |
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erlehmann |
as a kid i once figured out that buying stuff using a coupon somewhere applied the age of the person who bought the coupon (or no age?) |
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erlehmann |
this is how i got unreal tournament (1999) |
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definitelya |
Speaking of Invidious, this is bad: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2M-L0yPbtPE |
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definitelya |
Watch out if your VPN routes through Russian/ Belarusian IPs. |
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erlehmann |
definitelya i am on a low bandwith connection, could you elaborate? |
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definitelya |
erlehmann: It's just the node-ipc dev now distributing malware through protest-ware. |
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erlehmann |
oh that assclown |
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definitelya |
:\ |
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erlehmann |
you know, when i thought NPM disasters could not get any worse than leftpad or colors, node-ipc came along lol |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> new NPM packages seemingly go rogue every time I open the fridge, wake me up when symfony goes rogue and puts malware in twig instead |
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mrkubax10 |
When game#2926 will be merged? No need to hurry, just asking |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2926 -- Polish translation by mrkubax10 |
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ROllerozxa |
AFAIK the informal requirement for MTG translation PRs to be merged is that at least one other fluent speaker of the language reviews it first |
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mrkubax10 |
ah ok |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Best we can do is basically check for typos etc. using Google Translate but that's about it. Would be great if you could get a fluent speaker to review it. |
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idfk |
does the latest minetest client work with older server versions that are also 5.x? |
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erlehmann |
usually that is the case, why? |
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idfk |
I ask as the LibrePlanet conference is coming up this weekend and they will host a Minetest server with the version available in Trisquel, which will be 5.1.1 |
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idfk |
last year, I had to write a downgraded client package for Arch Linux as the latest version then did not work with the older server -- that was version 4.x |
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idfk |
wasn't sure if I had to make one again for this year... idk how backwards compatible server/client is for Minetest 5.x |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> theoretically MT follows semver |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> so a 5.5 client should be able to work with 5.x |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> 0.4.x and 5.x are incompatible |
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mrkubax10 |
for me 5.4 works with 5.5 server |
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Krock |
5.5.0 must work with 5.0.0 clients, if not that's a bug to fix |
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Krock |
(also vice-versa) |
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idfk |
I'm asking about 5.5.0 client with a 5.1.1 server :) |
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sfan5 |
also works but you should really really upgrade the server |
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idfk |
if it was me, I'd be running the latest server... 5.1.1 is the "latest" on the FSF endorsed Trisquel OS |
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idfk |
5.1.1 is from around Jan 24, 2020... so, I agree |
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sfan5 |
compiling from source isn't too hard |
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idfk |
again, it's not my server - I have no access to it.... we'll see how latest client works on their server :) |
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sfan5 |
oh |
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Philaire |
Good evening |
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Philaire |
is there a good place to ask for troubleshooting ? |
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Philaire |
For I don't understand why my game is so slow/lagging |
| 21:27 |
Philaire |
for example, if I break a block on the client, the server takes the notice on the spot |
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Philaire |
(as seen by the commandline) |
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Philaire |
but the client takes up to ~20 seconds to update |
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Philaire |
causing unplayable lag |
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sfan5 |
version? OS? rough hardware specs? singleplayer? if not, the same info about the server |
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Philaire |
Right, let me gather that |
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Philaire |
For both, OS is Arch linux, version is both 5.5.0 |
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Philaire |
for client : GTX 1080 x 32 GB RAM x i7 7700K |
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Philaire |
for server : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 / 2GB ram & Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 |
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Philaire |
At startup, there is little to no lag |
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Philaire |
but after one minute, everything lags |
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Philaire |
blocks aren't placed/mined |
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Philaire |
day/night cycle goes random, with weird back and forth time slices |
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sfan5 |
hm |
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Philaire |
Game is Mineclone 2 (but Minetest default has same behaviour) |
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Philaire |
and I'm using a docker linuxserver/minetest. |
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Philaire |
What do you think ? :/ |
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sfan5 |
was that the one that comes with postgres by default? |
| 21:36 |
Philaire |
No, it's using SQLite. |
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Philaire |
Should I switch to POSTGRES? |
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sfan5 |
no, sqlite is supposed to work |
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sfan5 |
can you test one of these? https://github.com/minetest/minetest#docker |
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Philaire |
I can test without docker, if you want. |
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sfan5 |
sure |
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sfan5 |
taking that out of the equation would help |
| 21:40 |
sfan5 |
if you're doing that you can also take a log of the server running with --verbose, maybe that contains a hint |
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Philaire |
Alright. |
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Philaire |
Can I do the same for the client ? |
| 21:41 |
sfan5 |
sure but I don't think your client is the issue |
| 21:41 |
Philaire |
like, seeing when a message is sent from the server to the client |
| 21:41 |
Philaire |
and received by the client |
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Philaire |
Okay |
| 21:45 |
Philaire |
it's even worse with the --verbose option |
| 21:45 |
Philaire |
I'm stuck with a black screen |
| 21:45 |
sfan5 |
one the client?! |
| 21:45 |
sfan5 |
-e |
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Philaire |
Yep |
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Philaire |
Meanwhile, the server is spouting slow messages |
| 21:45 |
Philaire |
like |
| 21:45 |
Philaire |
2022-03-18 19:59:51: INFO[Emerge-0]: initialEmerge: area: (-528,112,-448)(-417,223,-337)=112x112x112=1404928 (5MB) |
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Philaire |
2022-03-18 19:59:51: INFO[Emerge-0]: initialEmerge: area: (-288,112,-448)(-177,223,-337)=112x112x112=1404928 (5MB) |
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Philaire |
2022-03-18 19:59:51: INFO[Emerge-0]: initialEmerge: area: (-368,-48,-528)(-257,63,-417)=112x112x112=1404928 (5MB) |
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Philaire |
2022-03-18 19:59:51: INFO[Emerge-0]: initialEmerge: area: (-288,-48,-528)(-177,63,-417)=112x112x112=1404928 (5MB) |
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sfan5 |
that's normal |
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Philaire |
Bad habits |
| 21:46 |
Philaire |
got kicked for pasting a long message, sorry |
| 21:46 |
sfan5 |
if the client is frozen what does/did it output? |
| 21:47 |
Philaire |
Well, it locked my mouse, so I killed it |
| 21:47 |
Philaire |
I'm restarting it rn |
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Philaire |
Well, on verbose mode, there's no update on the client side. |
| 21:48 |
Philaire |
Just "2022-03-18 22:48:36: INFO[Main]: Client: avg_rtt=0.089 |
| 21:48 |
Philaire |
2022-03-18 22:48:46: INFO[Main]: Client: avg_rtt=0.089" |
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sfan5 |
I think you skipped a few steps |
| 21:49 |
Philaire |
Or mainly random updates |
| 21:49 |
Philaire |
like |
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Philaire |
"2022-03-18 22:48:55: INFO[Main]: cmd 41 (TOCLIENT_TIME_OF_DAY) count 6 |
| 21:49 |
Philaire |
2022-03-18 22:48:55: INFO[Main]: cmd 75 (TOCLIENT_HUDCHANGE) count 6 |
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sfan5 |
you joined the server and then you get a black screen, right? |
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Philaire |
2022-03-18 22:48:55: INFO[Main]: cmd 76 (TOCLIENT_HUD_SET_FLAGS) count 6 |
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Philaire |
2022-03-18 22:48:55: INFO[Main]: cmd 84 (TOCLIENT_CLOUD_PARAMS) count 4" |
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sfan5 |
... |
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Philaire |
Yes. |
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sfan5 |
okay that makes more sense |
| 21:50 |
Philaire |
With the dockerized version, I have at least the world, but with huuuuge lag |
| 21:50 |
sfan5 |
can you pastebin the whole server log up to this point? |
| 21:50 |
Philaire |
Sure. |
| 21:50 |
Philaire |
It's huge |
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Philaire |
so it'll be only a portion |
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Philaire |
Thanks a lot for your time, sfan5. |
| 21:51 |
Philaire |
https://pastebin.com/raw/zM2zf2dC |
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sfan5 |
there's some parts you could safely skip but to avoid the risk of something important being in there you should upload the entire file |
| 21:52 |
sfan5 |
though that looks like a start |
| 21:53 |
Philaire |
And here's the client view : https://pastebin.com/raw/vGfNbBLn |
| 21:54 |
Philaire |
And the ping tests I did to check for lag https://pastebin.com/raw/8UjriC0U |
| 21:55 |
Philaire |
What do you think is happenning/I did wrong? |
| 21:56 |
sfan5 |
servers appears to be doing fine so the problem will be inbetween: the network |
| 21:57 |
Philaire |
I moved the .minetest folder on the server on .minetest.bak to recreate one |
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sfan5 |
or should be at least, there some obscure known bugs in the network stack none of which match this situation |
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Philaire |
black screen problem got fixed |
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sfan5 |
...did you configure anything of note in minetest.conf? |
| 21:57 |
Philaire |
Nothing. |
| 21:57 |
Philaire |
This is just blank test. |
| 21:59 |
Philaire |
ah, now I have the lag problem again, though |
| 21:59 |
sfan5 |
so what the server is seeing is high packet loss towards the client, resulting in nothing getting true |
| 22:00 |
sfan5 |
ping is obviously fine as you showed, maybe UDP isn't, maybe large packets aren't |
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sfan5 |
s/true/through/ |
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Philaire |
UDP works fine |
| 22:03 |
Philaire |
Is the mod code executed on client, server, or both ? |
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sfan5 |
exclusively server |
| 22:03 |
Philaire |
Is the config powerful enough ? |
| 22:05 |
sfan5 |
basic stuff should absolutely work |
| 22:05 |
sfan5 |
tried confirming UDP performance using iperf3? |
| 22:05 |
Philaire |
I'm testing it right now as we speak |
| 22:08 |
Philaire |
Sounds good, no ? https://pastebin.com/raw/PTZVqXP7 |
| 22:10 |
sfan5 |
I see 10% packet loss there |
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Philaire |
Yeap. Is it that bad ? |
| 22:11 |
sfan5 |
unusable levels of bad, I'd say |
| 22:11 |
sfan5 |
for example if this happened with TCP you'd be instantly annoyed at how terrible the usability of an SSH session is |
| 22:12 |
Philaire |
which is nuts, since my ssh session is perfectly stable |
| 22:12 |
Philaire |
and I have no lag there |
| 22:12 |
Philaire |
Both endpoints are on openvpn with a 500KiB/s bandwith |
| 22:13 |
sfan5 |
QoS dropping packets? |
| 22:13 |
Philaire |
Hmm? |
| 22:13 |
Philaire |
Didn't get you there |
| 22:14 |
sfan5 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping |
| 22:14 |
sfan5 |
or 'Traffic policing' I guess going by the intro text |
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Philaire |
well, if it was the case, then my Mindustry server would suffer the same problems |
| 22:15 |
sfan5 |
if that uses TCP by chance then perhaps not |
| 22:16 |
sfan5 |
anyway I take the iperf results as a clear indicator that it's (thankfully) not Minetest's fault |
| 22:17 |
Philaire |
Well |
| 22:17 |
Philaire |
this makes it weirder |
| 22:18 |
Philaire |
What are my chances to fix it ? |
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Philaire |
I mean, I could set up a minecraft server (which uses TCP) |
| 22:20 |
Philaire |
but I don't want to go non OSS |
| 22:22 |
sfan5 |
I have no good idea |
| 22:22 |
sfan5 |
you can go into troubleshooting by staring at packet captures inside/outside ovpn to determine if the packets get lost there |
| 22:23 |
Philaire |
I mean, it's common to have Minetest over VPN, right ? |
| 22:23 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> not really |
| 22:23 |
sfan5 |
the usecase I'd usually see if when you have a game that requires clients to be in the same LAN |
| 22:23 |
sfan5 |
like the old days |
| 22:24 |
sfan5 |
is* |
| 22:24 |
Philaire |
problem is that we're behind multiple routers |
| 22:24 |
Philaire |
so we have to use ovpn as a rendezvous |
| 22:26 |
Philaire |
Just made another test |
| 22:26 |
Philaire |
using a different host |
| 22:26 |
Philaire |
and using a direct ip online with minetest on it |
| 22:26 |
Philaire |
no vpn |
| 22:26 |
Philaire |
same lag problem |
| 22:26 |
Philaire |
And UDP drop is half https://pastebin.com/raw/ezCqa8Uj |
| 22:27 |
Philaire |
the lag is actually *worse* |
| 22:28 |
sfan5 |
the other unfortunate thing is Minetest's network stack is sensitive to packet loss so even that might not be low enough |
| 22:28 |
Philaire |
well |
| 22:28 |
Philaire |
in this test, both connections are using optic fiber |
| 22:28 |
Philaire |
and disks are SSD's |
| 22:29 |
Philaire |
There's something I don't get here |
| 22:29 |
sfan5 |
why are those still limited to 1 Mbit/s? |
| 22:29 |
Philaire |
I used the 1M limit |
| 22:29 |
sfan5 |
oh inside iperf |
| 22:29 |
sfan5 |
? |
| 22:29 |
Philaire |
yeah |
| 22:30 |
Philaire |
I mean |
| 22:30 |
Philaire |
without limit I have a 10% loss |
| 22:30 |
Philaire |
and yet, all my other game servers work fine |
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| 22:31 |
Philaire |
I don't get it |
| 22:31 |
Philaire |
either I'm extremely unlucky |
| 22:31 |
Philaire |
either I'm doing something ultrabad |
| 22:32 |
Philaire |
what's more insane is that whatever I do |
| 22:32 |
Philaire |
the server registers |
| 22:33 |
Philaire |
but there's no client feedback |
| 22:33 |
sfan5 |
one-sided packet loss is possible |
| 22:33 |
Philaire |
sure |
| 22:34 |
Philaire |
but that's strangely and weirdly limited |
| 22:34 |
Philaire |
I mean, it's just that specific side |
| 22:34 |
Philaire |
no matter on what I launch it |
| 22:36 |
Philaire |
... okay |
| 22:36 |
sfan5 |
hmm okay that iperf3 test may not be the best way |
| 22:36 |
Philaire |
lag also happens when I try it on my raspi |
| 22:36 |
Philaire |
which is directly on my lan |
| 22:38 |
Philaire |
Is there an obvious bug on MT that I happen to be unfortunate enough to trigger |
| 22:38 |
Philaire |
or am I doing something hecckin' wrong ? |
| 22:38 |
sfan5 |
do you have a verbose log of that too? |
| 22:38 |
sfan5 |
of the server |
| 22:39 |
Philaire |
on the pi ? |
| 22:39 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 22:40 |
Philaire |
no, but since I also have a lag when I do multiplayer on my local pc |
| 22:40 |
Philaire |
I can post one |
| 22:41 |
erlehmann |
any games or mods that spam network packets installed? |
| 22:41 |
Philaire |
Just Mineclone2. |
| 22:41 |
erlehmann |
is it version 0.71? |
| 22:41 |
erlehmann |
oh yeah, also: disable weather |
| 22:41 |
Philaire |
How can I do a) check version and b) disable weather ? |
| 22:42 |
erlehmann |
weather is in minetest settings |
| 22:42 |
erlehmann |
version, no idea, how did you get it? |
| 22:42 |
Philaire |
ContentDB. |
| 22:42 |
erlehmann |
recently? |
| 22:42 |
erlehmann |
check in creative mode if you have a composter |
| 22:42 |
erlehmann |
if yes, 0.72 |
| 22:42 |
Philaire |
Redownloaded it like ~45 minutes ago |
| 22:42 |
erlehmann |
ok yeah |
| 22:42 |
Philaire |
just deleted it |
| 22:42 |
Philaire |
redownloading it now |
| 22:42 |
erlehmann |
do you get this with any other game? |
| 22:43 |
Philaire |
as in, minetest games or random games ? |
| 22:43 |
erlehmann |
any other minetest game |
| 22:43 |
Philaire |
Depends. Happens at random, increases as time increases. |
| 22:45 |
erlehmann |
probably unrelated to your thing, but a short explanation of weather being bad: 1. minetest has particles and particle spawners 2. to my knowledge, rain is lots of particles, leading to a) network traffic bc particle spawners better b) client lag because minetest particle rendering makes way too many drawcalls |
| 22:45 |
Philaire |
oooh, let me check, then |
| 22:45 |
erlehmann |
the fix is ultimately, of course, to fix the weather in mineclone2, i believe cora (who is the maintainer of mineclone2) has also been working on that. |
| 22:45 |
erlehmann |
do not just disable weather |
| 22:46 |
Philaire |
weather is not implemented in Minetest (raw) ? |
| 22:46 |
erlehmann |
rather, give yourself debug priv |
| 22:46 |
erlehmann |
and then start and stop the weather in mineclone2 |
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| 22:46 |
erlehmann |
if downfall (rain, snow) makes lag, then disable weather |
| 22:46 |
Philaire |
You've lost me partly here |
| 22:46 |
erlehmann |
type /help in the ingame chat |
| 22:47 |
erlehmann |
and /grantme all |
| 22:47 |
Philaire |
I grant myself debug privileges, is that wha- |
| 22:47 |
Philaire |
ok, thanks |
| 22:47 |
erlehmann |
that gives you all privileges |
| 22:47 |
erlehmann |
then you can do /toggledownfall |
| 22:47 |
erlehmann |
i think that makes it rain or snow or so? or makes it stop. |
| 22:47 |
erlehmann |
minetest is an engine. no idea if minetest_game has weather, but you can download better weather mods from contentdb and mix them into your minetest_game stuff. |
| 22:48 |
Philaire |
Alright. |
| 22:48 |
erlehmann |
if the lag goes away when you disable weather, then it's mineclone2 being at fault here |
| 22:48 |
Philaire |
Initial reason for me to use Minetest and not Minecraft is that it's a server in my office |
| 22:49 |
Philaire |
I'm a CS teacher |
| 22:49 |
Philaire |
got lots of students moaning (20s years old) that there are no good games on *nux |
| 22:49 |
Philaire |
(which is wrong) |
| 22:49 |
Philaire |
thought about setting up Minecraft with paper |
| 22:49 |
erlehmann |
minetest is alright |
| 22:50 |
Philaire |
found that it might be more educative to run Minetest, since it's FOSS |
| 22:50 |
erlehmann |
the barrier to entry for modding is super low |
| 22:50 |
Philaire |
and the API is clean too |
| 22:50 |
Philaire |
no need to reflect on Java to work |
| 22:50 |
Philaire |
just clean lua API |
| 22:51 |
erlehmann |
debatable if it's clean :P |
| 22:51 |
erlehmann |
but yeah, it's useful and easy |
| 22:51 |
Philaire |
ask LexManos 'bout modding Minecraft, then |
| 22:51 |
Philaire |
:P |
| 22:51 |
Philaire |
though I was told, on some old and lost Discord server |
| 22:51 |
Philaire |
that MT was quite laggy at times |
| 22:51 |
Philaire |
and could have worse stats than MC |
| 22:51 |
sfan5 |
oh man I thought I was going insane testing iperf3 with my server |
| 22:51 |
erlehmann |
what happen |
| 22:52 |
sfan5 |
it never went beyond 30Mb even though piping /dev/zero over ssh easily did 80Mb |
| 22:52 |
Philaire |
tell me you have more than 10% loss |
| 22:52 |
sfan5 |
turns out iperf tests upload from client -> server by default |
| 22:52 |
erlehmann |
Philaire make this required reading lol https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/index.html |
| 22:52 |
erlehmann |
Philaire so about the weather |
| 22:52 |
erlehmann |
does it fix anything? |
| 22:53 |
Philaire |
well |
| 22:53 |
Philaire |
lag happens even with no rain :( |
| 22:53 |
Philaire |
evidence for satanic bug or ghostery increases :P |
| 22:53 |
sfan5 |
Philaire: 0% actually but the reason I said "that iperf3 test may not be the best way" earlier is because you have the target bandwidth to match the actually available bandwidth |
| 22:54 |
sfan5 |
s/have the/have to set the/ |
| 22:54 |
Philaire |
ah |
| 22:55 |
erlehmann |
Philaire consider the following: https://git.minetest.land/Mineclonia/Mineclonia/src/branch/master/tools/analyze-packet-spam |
| 22:55 |
erlehmann |
but hmm |
| 22:55 |
erlehmann |
Philaire can you check out if the lag happens in, say, minetest_game? |
| 22:55 |
Philaire |
It does, yes. |
| 22:55 |
Philaire |
Just checked in case. |
| 22:55 |
erlehmann |
ok well |
| 22:56 |
sfan5 |
erlehmann: you can read the earlier logs, amount isn't the problem, something is wrong with the network or network stack |
| 22:56 |
Philaire |
Happens slower, but it happens eventually. |
| 22:56 |
erlehmann |
ok |
| 22:56 |
Philaire |
sfan5 & erlehmann : problem is that it ALSO happens when I run on localhost |
| 22:56 |
sfan5 |
when you run what on localhost |
| 22:56 |
Philaire |
minetestserver |
| 22:57 |
Philaire |
then I connect a couple of clients from localhost |
| 22:57 |
Philaire |
what takes the biscuit is that I have *less* lag if I run that on Windows |
| 22:57 |
erlehmann |
so there is no docker in this case? |
| 22:58 |
Philaire |
No. |
| 22:58 |
erlehmann |
oof |
| 22:58 |
erlehmann |
then try without docker maybe |
| 22:58 |
Philaire |
Already did |
| 22:58 |
Philaire |
same problem |
| 22:59 |
sfan5 |
at this point I suspect something is badly broken about your client computer |
| 22:59 |
Philaire |
what's strange is that it's a MT-only behaviour |
| 22:59 |
Philaire |
sfan5 : I would too, but it only manifests on MT |
| 23:00 |
Philaire |
at this point, I think about putting a Voodoo statue on it |
| 23:00 |
Philaire |
to see if anything improves |
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Philaire |
are there MT/MC2 servers for testing ? |
| 23:01 |
sfan5 |
https://servers.minetest.net/ |
| 23:02 |
sfan5 |
there's a bunch that say testing, even |
| 23:02 |
Philaire |
well anyways |
| 23:02 |
Philaire |
it's midnight here |
| 23:02 |
Philaire |
been on it since 6 PM |
| 23:03 |
Philaire |
going to hit the pillow |
| 23:04 |
Philaire |
thank you guys for your help |
| 23:04 |
Philaire |
I'll try again tomorrow |
| 23:04 |
sfan5 |
good luck |
| 23:04 |
Philaire |
perhaps even switch from ovpn to Wireguard |
| 23:04 |
Philaire |
to see if it helps |
| 23:05 |
Philaire |
(since we have a double firewall at office lab, but PC is a single machine on single vlan, so link on specific VPN, yada yada) |
| 23:06 |
Philaire |
Good night, everyone. |
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erlehmann |
.help tell |
| 23:51 |
erlehmann |
sfan5, how does the bot tell thing work? |
| 23:51 |
erlehmann |
i want to tell Philaire that wireguard is much better than ovpn for games |
| 23:52 |
wsor |
.tell erlehmann test |
| 23:52 |
wsor |
!tell erlehmann test |
| 23:52 |
MinetestBot |
wsor: I'll pass that on when erlehmann is around |
| 23:53 |
erlehmann |
nothing happens |
| 23:53 |
MinetestBot |
erlehmann: Mar-18 23:52 UTC <wsor> test |
| 23:53 |
wsor |
!tell erlehmann git good |
| 23:53 |
MinetestBot |
wsor: I'll pass that on when erlehmann is around |
| 23:53 |
erlehmann |
guess the bot is dead? |
| 23:53 |
MinetestBot |
erlehmann: Mar-18 23:53 UTC <wsor> git good |
| 23:53 |
wsor |
uh no |
| 23:53 |
erlehmann |
ohh |
| 23:53 |
wsor |
either you have it blocked, or are missing the obvious |
| 23:53 |
erlehmann |
wsor it has lag |
| 23:53 |
erlehmann |
i have 7s lag here |
| 23:54 |
erlehmann |
that's it |
| 23:54 |
wsor |
seems you have a terrible internet connection atm then |
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| 23:56 |
erlehmann |
!tell Philaire wireguard is much better than ovpn for games because of its architecture |
| 23:56 |
MinetestBot |
erlehmann: I'll pass that on when Philaire is around |
| 23:58 |
erlehmann |
!tell Philaire you better join #mineclone2 if you want game-specific help some time later |
| 23:58 |
MinetestBot |
erlehmann: I'll pass that on when Philaire is around |
