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independent56 |
[sponsored ad] OMG! i just found rhotator and it literally cahnged mybuilding habits! I now build pipetunnels,not boring rectangles! buy it now at https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=322231 for 100% off! |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> can I make a tool that has the group "emerald" = 4 |
| 01:50 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> and then a node with emerald = 4 |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> and then the tool will dig the node? |
| 01:50 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> basically, my question is, how do I make custom digging groups? |
| 01:51 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> instead of snappy, cracky, etc? |
| 01:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> yes, no |
| 01:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you make the group, and then define it in tool capabilites |
| 01:53 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-well-yes-no-yes-yes-no-gif-13736934 |
| 01:53 |
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<MisterE> how do I do that? |
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<Jonathon> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L7458-L7476 |
| 01:54 |
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<MisterE> groupcaps = { -- For example: choppy = {times = {[1] = 2.50, [2] = 1.40, [3] = 1.00}, uses = 20, maxlevel = 2}, }, |
| 01:54 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> that? |
| 01:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> no, the whole section i highlighted needs to be in your def |
| 01:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> for example read https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/tools.lua#L26-L39 |
| 01:56 |
rubenwardy |
it's just the groupcaps you need to update to support a new group for digging nodes |
| 01:56 |
rubenwardy |
groupcaps is for nodes, damage_groups is for objects (players and entities) |
| 01:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> within tool_capabilites |
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<MisterE> {times = {[1] = 2.50, [2] = 1.40, [3] = 1.00}, uses = 20, maxlevel = 2}, |
| 01:56 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, within tool_capabilities |
| 01:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> 1,2,3 is the group rating |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ie. testgroup = 1 |
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<Jonathon> vs tesgroup = 3 |
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<MisterE> does that mean that a node with choppy = 1 will take 2.5 sec to dig with this tool, choppy = 2 will take 1.4 sec, etc? |
| 01:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> please read above |
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<MisterE> I dont understand that... |
| 01:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> essentially yes |
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<MisterE> ok thx so much |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> basically tool_capabilites is hand + best of tool |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> except when your adding things to the hand inv, because that is broken |
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<MisterE> so if I make a new group, I can ignore hand, because hand will not support it |
| 01:59 |
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<Jonathon> correct |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> just note that https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11344 is a bug |
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<MisterE> ok, I dont need the hand to break these nodes, I can add oddly breakable if I need that |
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<MisterE> thx! |
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<Jonathon> shill to rubenwardy if he wants to review that pr :p i would appreciate it |
| 02:01 |
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<Jonathon> as working around that bug is annoying |
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<MisterE> a group value of 1 is usually the most difficult to break, right? |
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<Jonathon> generally yes, altho you dont have to follow that |
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<MisterE> yeha well it will make things less confusing f i do for now |
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<MisterE> thx |
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<MisterE> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/881002770260434975/item_emerald.png |
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<MisterE> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/881002773146107924/item_opal.png |
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<MisterE> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/881002775511699466/item_ruby.png |
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<MisterE> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/881002777831165962/item_sapphire.png |
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<MisterE> IDK of you can get these, but this is part of what im working on, a takeoff of eggwars called gems |
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<MisterE> each team has a mine which produces gems, and a great gem which is their spawner, and they can make gem blocks which can only be dug with gem tools... easiest to dig with the same color |
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<MisterE> and hardest to dig with one other color |
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<MisterE> then they have to try to eliminate all the other teams... last team standing wins. In order to do so they will have to break the great gem |
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<MisterE> also sword of a gem color are most effective against players of that color |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Async-related script cleanups 6a1424f https://git.io/JEVu6 (2021-08-28T10:15:12Z) |
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[git] FnControlOption -> minetest/minetest: CI: Add macOS workflow (#11454) 0f8a6d7 https://git.io/JEVui (2021-08-28T10:14:55Z) |
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[git] savilli -> minetest/minetest: Remove redundant on_dieplayer calls 3f1adb4 https://git.io/JEVuP (2021-08-28T10:14:16Z) |
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kilbith: May-01 15:04 UTC <Krock> oooo nice. I love it |
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kilbith |
what the moderation is doing for this troll? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=399613#p399613 |
| 11:03 |
kilbith |
I'm sick of it |
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sfan5 |
apparently they're just back from a temporary ban |
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independent56 |
What use is a tunnel like https://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1135/minecraft_tunnel_03npt6_383954.jpg ? What does it do? |
| 11:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Kimapr> it looks cool. that's what it does |
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independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/ZMTZAnu I can't even find use for my 10 m radius tunnel! |
| 11:16 |
independent56 |
It's basically trains, utility lines, and two paths for maintance workers. |
| 11:16 |
independent56 |
but i agree, it looks very cool. |
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independent56 |
I soemtimes look at minecraft images for reference, like "minecraft circle guide". Because they are effectively the same in purpose: build stuff with blocks and enjoy |
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<Jonathon> Ah yes, that troll on the forum is rather annoying |
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<Jonathon> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=399151#p399151 probably most questionable |
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independent56 |
Is there anything wrong if you stay up unaturally and wake up naturally? |
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independent56 |
I woke 1t 10 and i feel rethresed |
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independent56 |
despite sleeping at 02:50 |
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independent56 |
Is there any way to make three block long slopes in moreblocks? i need it for a tunnel with 31 block diameter. |
| 13:30 |
independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/XmFoxHI This is the only way i know. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> The more shapes you add the easier you hit the node limit |
| 13:38 |
independent56 |
Ah, makes sense... dammit! |
| 13:41 |
independent56 |
Can someone send screenshots of smootha dn very wide minetest tunnels? |
| 13:56 |
independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/ZMTZAnu |
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independent56 |
How about my tunnel? |
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DrFrankenstone: Aug-23 12:10 UTC <BuckarooBanzai> can you disclose your workflow for the panoramic images here: http://panoramas.minetest.land/ ? thank you :) |
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DrFrankenstone |
Just got your message about panaramics Buckaroo, I rook srifqi's equirectangluar pull request (https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/8475) and raised the resolutiuon of both the screenshot and the cubemap that it works off. After that you just hit F12 for a screenshot and put it into a viewer. Facebook understands equirect images, but pannellum is and easy way to put it in a webpage. |
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<Jordach> You can also fake this by setting FoV to 90 and setting your render resolution to 1:1 square |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> This applies to making Minetest skyboxes as well btw |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> It also works inside Blender for similar purposes |
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DrFrankenstone |
yeah, and pannellum can take 6 skybox images, or an equirectangular one |
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erlehmann |
hey about the caching stuff |
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erlehmann |
i'll be trying a tiny solution for linux |
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independent56 |
*sees clock 19:52 afer checking it last being 10:43* Another day passes by whilst playing minetest. |
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independent56 |
it felt like 3 hours |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> gems[ gem_name .. "_shop_gems_menu"] = |
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<MisterE> gems is a global var |
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<MisterE> then after = come a string, a formspec definition |
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<MisterE> I get an error here |
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<MisterE> unexpected symbol near '=' |
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<MisterE> any ideas? |
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<MisterE> ah, found it, I use table.insert |
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sfan5 |
you can also put parentheses around the value |
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sfan5 |
just make sure there's something after the ( |
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sfan5 |
the = I mean |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> oh. nice, that would have been an easier fix |
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independent56 |
Do you think i should turn my server to creative? Explain your reasoning |
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specing |
independent56: are you using creative? |
| 21:45 |
independent56 |
Yes, all the time because i am admin. I am wondering if my playersshould enjoy this too. |
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specing |
then yes, you should make it creative for everyone |
| 21:46 |
specing |
you can also make a button granting creative so whoever wants it can obtain it |
| 21:46 |
independent56 |
Why? What makes it worse if it's survival? |
| 21:46 |
independent56 |
But that's a good idea. Pay 5 gold ingots and you get to get creative |
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specing |
it's not survival if 50% of stuff is built in creative |
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independent56 |
Good point |
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independent56 |
what are the dangers ofgiving the creative inventory willy-nilly? |
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sfan5 |
people will place whatever they want in your world |
| 21:53 |
independent56 |
...Like what? Obsidian? Indestructable blocks? |
| 21:53 |
independent56 |
How do i prevent this? buerocratic punishment? |
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sfan5 |
whatever the creative menu offers |
| 21:54 |
independent56 |
Is there a way to remove stuff from the creative menu? |
| 21:55 |
independent56 |
Something like in world.mt "creative_default:glass = false" to remove it from creative menu? |
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sfan5 |
manually add the "not_in_creative_inventory = 1" group to the nodes |
| 21:56 |
sfan5 |
either with a mod that overrides the items or directly edit whereever it is registered |
| 21:57 |
independent56 |
How do i do the first approach? Can i have boilerplate to copy? |
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<Noodlemire> local function remove_creative(itemname) local def = minetest.registered_items[itemname] if def then local override = {} override.groups = def.groups or {} override.groups.not_in_creative_inventory = 1 minetest.override_item(itemname, override) end end |
| 22:02 |
independent56 |
As well, can i give people Fly and Fast privs? What about noclip? |
| 22:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Noodlemire> Yes, just use the /grant command. Fly, Fast, and Noclip are all names of privs that you can /grant someone. |
| 22:04 |
independent56 |
I know that. I am just wondering about security. I can see that i may not be able to chase players with the fast priv. |
| 22:05 |
independent56 |
Maybe i make it an admin-controlled creative server. The admin will only give creativeif you are trusted by low standards |
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MTDiscord |
<Noodlemire> I think there's at least one mod to log player activity like placing blocks? If not it'd be easy enough to make. Either way you probably shouldn't need to watch over every player's shoulder anyways. |
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MTDiscord |
<Noodlemire> "Maybe i make it an admin-controlled creative server." Probably a good idea in general. |
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independent56 |
It's already default in the logs: "action (SERVER) vandal places node default:lava_source at (0,100,0)" |
| 22:09 |
independent56 |
with the boilerplate you gave, do i just issue "remove_creative(advtrains:tcb)" or a variant of such? |
| 22:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Noodlemire> Yeah, just with quotes around the item's name. |
| 22:10 |
independent56 |
Nice! |
| 22:10 |
independent56 |
Is it reccomended i give fly and noclip to everyone? |
| 22:10 |
independent56 |
What are the potential security issues? |
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sfan5 |
security of what |
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sfan5 |
you cannot ask "is this secure" without definiting a threat model, what do you not want people to do? |
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independent56 |
I want my minetest server to run nicely, with minimal griefing. |
| 22:17 |
independent56 |
And what about fast? how does that degrade the playing experience? |
| 22:17 |
independent56 |
(oher then makingvandals impossible to catch) |
| 22:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> to have issues with players requires you to actually have players |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> as for griefing you can install areas |
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independent56 |
XD |
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independent56 |
I already have |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> serverlist says 0/0 lol |
| 22:19 |
independent56 |
Thats why even when the server was in singleplayer, i proteced everything |
| 22:19 |
independent56 |
No, im definately on theserver |
| 22:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> well now its 0/1 |
| 22:20 |
independent56 |
ha |
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sfan5 |
!server addr:i56. |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: No results |
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sfan5 |
!server addr:56i. |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: 56i-server | mtserver.56i.duckdns.org | Clients: 1/15, 0/1 | Version: 5.4.1 / minetest | Ping: 27ms |
| 22:25 |
sfan5 |
there it is |
| 22:27 |
independent56 |
What if my creative button is at 0,?,1000 ? What would happen? |
| 22:30 |
sfan5 |
nothing? |
| 22:30 |
independent56 |
It would filter out griefers who want fun, whilst also filtering out somehonest players |
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independent56 |
Should i give outworldedit priveladges? would it incur huge griefing? |
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sfan5 |
do not give worldedit privs to anyone, they'll be able to lock up your server, destroy your entire world, etc. |
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independent56 |
Ah yeah. |
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independent56 |
"//1 -100,-100,-100" "//2 1000,1000,1000" "//emergeblocks |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> speaking of worldedit, sfan5: would you accept a pr that change worldedit_gui to warning rather than a assert? that would make it easier to be put into worldmods (and games i suppose) that dont have inventories it doesnt support |
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sfan5 |
perhaps |
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