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erlehmann |
i have made a minetest flyer! https://mister-muffin.de/p/GVQz.png |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Ha, nodecore represent |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Can't read that error message tho |
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erlehmann |
well i just wanted some trace |
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erlehmann |
and only had screenshotted a nodecore one |
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erlehmann |
the mineclone2 picture is clamity spawn btw, some time ago |
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erlehmann |
the moon thing is mesecraft |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Wait, you mean to tell me thats not Minecraft? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> That one with the nutella and tobasco... |
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erlehmann |
Warr1024 is a crima against humanity |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> nutello* |
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erlehmann |
Warr1024 joking, it is the sandwich mod |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You can tell it's Minetest because there's a ton of food |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> actually it might be nutella but the image is so compressed I think the tail gets lost |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Somebody should feed the MT modders |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Also im serious, that is definitely not Mineclone2 |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Definitely there for irony |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> wait no theres a screwdriver |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> if it's not mineclone2 then they did a pretty good job overlaying the MT debugging info on it. |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> you right |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> at that level of image compression it just looks like minecraft to me |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> that image looks like celeron55's minetest video |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> it's a right dead ringer for MC until you zoom in and see MT debug data |
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erlehmann |
GreenXenith i think clamity is using some minecraft textures maybe |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> and the screwdriver |
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duds |
Is there a Mineclone channel on here? |
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erlehmann |
duds yes but you will not have much fun there: #mineclone2 |
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duds |
I see |
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duds |
why not?? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> erlehmann: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD1TVZ47xZY |
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erlehmann |
duds well, if you want approx the features of mineclone2 0.71 minus crashes & lag, check out #minelonia – but if you want mineclone2 chat, the devs have supercomputers and lurk on discord i think? |
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erlehmann |
duds like the devs are never in the #mineclone2 channel |
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erlehmann |
i meant #mineclonia btw |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> the devs don't have supercomputers |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> otherwise they'd be playing the real thing |
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duds |
ahhh ok ok |
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erlehmann |
duds if you have a bug report, http://git.minetest.land/Mineclone2/Mineclone2/issues |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> like seriously MC is the cost of three hours at a part time job |
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erlehmann |
wdym |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> In California its the cost of 2 hours :] |
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erlehmann |
oh |
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erlehmann |
i get it |
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duds |
yea but is it foss?? didn't think so |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> yes hello your ISP wants a word about that |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> it's all non-free to use the internet beyond LAN |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> tru.dat |
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erlehmann |
duds once sales start dying andit is worthless notch will release source code he said so! would notch ever lie to us? i think he also mentioned a lua api LOL |
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duds |
lmao |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> the Lua API is false |
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erlehmann |
no, the Lua API is nil |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> notch also didn't bet on it become crazy popular |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> google uields https://notch.tumblr.com/post/140146373/lua-or-java-api/amp |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> really hoping that sentence is entirely irony |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> *yields |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> idk, uields seems like a perfectly valid spelling |
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erlehmann |
Advantages of Java: |
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erlehmann |
* Very powerful, can do ANYTHING. |
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erlehmann |
WOW |
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erlehmann |
i should look into this java |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> Reflection and ASM\ |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> people underestimate what can be done with ASM and Reflection |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> wOW iTs TurINg COmpLeTe |
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erlehmann |
> The API would then let you send messages, teleport players, set blocks and probably load and save levels. |
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erlehmann |
sounds like a cheat client |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Sounds like a game engine... |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> i mean that just sounds like already existing minetest features |
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duds |
sounds like cope |
| 02:39 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> those whomst shout cope are coping themselves that they don't value themselves enough to work any form of paid work |
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duds |
damn... |
| 02:40 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> either that or they lack the self esteem to even attempt fixing a problem |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> been there done that |
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erlehmann |
jordach |
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erlehmann |
how is your quake imitation going on |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> pain |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> i've scrapped using minetest's built in networking |
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erlehmann |
uh oh? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> and instead doing some async magic |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> with LuaSockets |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> and directly interface the MT API with that instead |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> every modern game since like 2007 has had a world thread and a script thread for managing client side scripting |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> it means i can fully utilise the MT API to keep updates at 30hz (send/receive) |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> and unlock the speed at which the API steps at |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> while pushing near zero network load since visual information and CAO is no longer required to be sent |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> that and i'd have to modify the source to change a few things to make it easier for the win/linux users |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> like removing the entire multiplayer framework as that's not really needed anymore |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> in theory the main menu instead becomes a psuedo launcher in that you have the settings panel and the launch game option, which then offers a bunch of servers |
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DUMdum |
Test |
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sfan5 |
succeeded |
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DUMdum |
ok hi |
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independent56 |
Meta question - How large is a large network? How much track? https://wiki.linux-forks.de/mediawiki/index.php?title=Getting_Started&curid=1928&diff=24188&oldid=23645 |
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independent56 |
Maybe i have a large network |
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independent56 |
What i really want is a nice, respectful player. a player much like me, but without being an admin, just a moderator. |
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independent56 |
Not just some guests who look around, wait minutes for the mapblocks to load, and say "bye". |
| 15:24 |
independent56 |
"or even just **player left the game" |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Offer a good and engaging game experience, list your server publicly and do a little advertising, and then basically just wait. About 99% of the people who check out my server and any of the small servers I see chat for are fly-by. It takes a while to get quality players. |
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independent56 |
Hmm.. i am on player ~10. 89 more to go! |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Network effects are a big thing too. People play on servers that have other players. Get some friends to help and hang out and build stuff with you and you might draw in people during that time. Just be sure to be ready with a good first impression :-) |
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independent56 |
Is a good impresson doing what you are doing and gently chatting, or is it supervising the player from 10 nodes away? Because superivisng is all my paranoid mind does. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> A good impression is having a game for the player to play. Don't just crowd them, give them a chance to try stuff out, but have obvious stuff to do, and also show that the server has been developed. |
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independent56 |
Like... an obvious place to build? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I think an organic settlement (i.e. not just a contrived and protected spawn) is helpful to suggest to a player that there's already stuff going on, and to establish a pattern of what kinds of things they can do |
| 15:32 |
independent56 |
Volcano2 might be great, it's surrounded by rainforest and has good track connection: http://2.26.38.198:8080/#!/map/0/10/-1682/-2048 |
| 15:32 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Players aren't necessarily looking for a blank plot to just build whatever, they can do that in SP. You want players who are going to be part of your community, so establish a community for them that they can feel a part of. |
| 15:32 |
independent56 |
It's a bit hard to do when i am the only member. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yeah, it REALLY helps to get a few friends to help out. |
| 15:33 |
independent56 |
Oh... so they are the capital which begins the server. I wish i had people to help me. |
| 15:34 |
independent56 |
That also explains why TA had three admins - a trinity to be gods of the server |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I started out by making a game, published it, advertised it, got a few people intrigued by the idea. That made it a bit easier to have people I know might be interested when I started up a semi-private test server. We added more people by invitations, and eventually broadened the scope until it went public. Sort of like an IPO. |
| 15:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Trying to do this the other way around, i.e. open up a public server first, you have to go through those rougher periods while paying for hosting basically :-) |
| 15:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> A big selling point for the whole thing was that I was creating a playing experience that was obviously unique. It can be a harder sell if the niche for your server is less obvious, like just a different moderation style or something. |
| 15:36 |
independent56 |
I don't pay for hosting and use my home network. and the latency is huge. |
| 15:36 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Cheap hosting is to your advantage because you aren't bleeding cash and can patiently build your community at your own pace, but not having proper-hosting-class service can be a challenge. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If your latency is terrible then there are certain gameplay aspects like PvP and mob combat that suffer particularly and you have to consider whether it's even really worth having those if it's bad enough. |
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independent56 |
Yeah, i need a motto a bit like "Like LF but without the bamboo and poor moderation". Which communicates my niche - Trains. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Moderation is really hard to advertise as a feature also because (1) it's a very personal thing, moderation isn't so much objectively "good" or "bad" as there are simply factions and tribes, and (2) people are going to be skeptical anyway, and you'll probably eventually have people spreading both good and bad rumors about you anyway. |
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independent56 |
I guess i will just wait around whilst i develop a niche. Thanks for helping. |
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erlehmann |
independent56 try playing on other servers if you want community? |
| 16:08 |
independent56 |
I want community on my server. It just seems shabby to go onto other servers and say "look, i like the fact you're here and are a perfect member of the community. please come to my server instead." |
| 16:08 |
independent56 |
"I just want you to make my server better" |
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erlehmann |
independent56 why do you want ppl on *your* server in the first place |
| 16:11 |
independent56 |
Thats' the point of multiplayer servers |
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specing |
I really wish for a wacky map server |
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erlehmann |
independent56 i mean what is it that other servers lack? |
| 16:13 |
erlehmann |
independent56 ok why should I play on your server instead of say on clamity or inside the box or meseclams or your-land.de |
| 16:13 |
erlehmann |
i don't know |
| 16:13 |
erlehmann |
wacky? |
| 16:13 |
erlehmann |
specing clamity not wacky enough for you? |
| 16:13 |
specing |
you know, oceans deeper than 50 nodes, mountains higher than 250 nodes |
| 16:13 |
specing |
erlehmann: a bit too wacky, at least the part with floating sponges |
| 16:14 |
erlehmann |
the sponge sky is only at spawn anyway |
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independent56 |
erlehmann, They deny me the right to stay, keeping me only as tenants, who can evict me anytime. |
| 16:14 |
erlehmann |
and it is easily possible to flood spawn regardless |
| 16:14 |
erlehmann |
specing "i wan't wacky" "here" "oh no that is WAY TOO CURSED" |
| 16:14 |
independent56 |
erlehmann Also, People will join my server because it needs moderators, and you could be a moderator of a server someone else pays for. |
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specing |
independent56: imagine getting banned from clamity |
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erlehmann |
specing try meseclams then |
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erlehmann |
specing i think the only person that was banned used a coordinate exploit and blew up almost every base on the server except one? |
| 16:15 |
erlehmann |
i doubt independent56 would be able to do that tbh |
| 16:16 |
erlehmann |
like, on a technical level |
| 16:16 |
specing |
independent56: but if you have moderators, that means you are prepared to evict people |
| 16:16 |
erlehmann |
what specing says |
| 16:16 |
specing |
erlehmann: oh, so it is possible lol |
| 16:16 |
erlehmann |
specing no the known coord exploits are fixed of course |
| 16:16 |
erlehmann |
specing well i am not sure maybe that person actually trolled |
| 16:17 |
erlehmann |
i only heard rumors that darkmemer was banned |
| 16:17 |
erlehmann |
maybe it is not true |
| 16:17 |
erlehmann |
i mean jordan4ibanez was not banned when i told him about the crashmachine and sent him a patch to fix it and he repeatedly pressed the crash button to crash the server and bragged about it on youtube |
| 16:17 |
independent56 |
erlehmann I do not like being part of a community who hates me and evicts me. I am selfish in this argument. |
| 16:17 |
erlehmann |
and that's pretty toxic |
| 16:17 |
specing |
I also found a pretty bad bug in 5.3.0 that allowed me to take other people's armors |
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erlehmann |
specing safe to say you are not the only person who has found it lol |
| 16:18 |
erlehmann |
there are worse bugs in 5.3.0 ;) |
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specing |
erlehmann: I can imagine yeah |
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erlehmann |
independent56 i doubt that clamity would evict you. |
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erlehmann |
specing have you tried meseclams? mesecraft is a pretty cool game |
| 16:19 |
erlehmann |
you can build portals to moon and mars |
| 16:19 |
specing |
erlehmann: I don't think so |
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independent56 |
erlehmann, I cannot independently configure, enable mods, and use worldedit on that server. only in 56i-server can i actually be admin |
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erlehmann |
specing try it. it is entirely unlike minecraft. like, you have a nethor, but you can find cyberdemons there. |
| 16:20 |
erlehmann |
i think |
| 16:20 |
specing |
exploring servers is tedius work, I have to figure out a new memorable password only to learn that the rules are incompatible with me |
| 16:20 |
erlehmann |
independent56 singleplayer it is then. |
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specing |
and I usually only explore a server if there's 5+ players in it |
| 16:20 |
independent56 |
Yeah, but i want people to play with me |
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independent56 |
My choice was because i wanted to be admin, and build stuff for other players. |
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erlehmann |
specing use "pwgen 10" or so and a password generator. i recommend pass, but there are others: https://www.passwordstore.org/ |
| 16:21 |
erlehmann |
<independent56> My choice was because i wanted to be admin, and build stuff for other players. |
| 16:21 |
erlehmann |
independent56 why would anyone ELSE want YOU to be admin? |
| 16:22 |
independent56 |
exactly |
| 16:22 |
independent56 |
i had to make my own server |
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erlehmann |
independent56 singleplayer is it then |
| 16:22 |
erlehmann |
singleplayer on your server |
| 16:22 |
independent56 |
i want to play with other players |
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erlehmann |
independent56 there is only one way forward, make everyone on your server admin |
| 16:22 |
independent56 |
XD |
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erlehmann |
only that way you achieve true anarchy |
| 16:22 |
erlehmann |
i mean it |
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specing |
haha if I had a server I probably wouldnt want independent56 as an admin :P |
| 16:23 |
erlehmann |
yeah me true |
| 16:23 |
erlehmann |
too |
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erlehmann |
sry |
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independent56 |
Yeah, i would grant myself worldedit and crash the server building a huge hourse |
| 16:23 |
independent56 |
or "/shutdown" |
| 16:23 |
specing |
I'm pretty sure I'd either have no worldedit |
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erlehmann |
independent56 if there was another copy of you named independent57 why would that person join your server? |
| 16:23 |
specing |
or I'd fix it so it's usable by players without crashing the server |
| 16:23 |
erlehmann |
if that person could not be admin |
| 16:23 |
specing |
and then everyone would have it |
| 16:23 |
erlehmann |
independent56 if you want to build arbitrary stuff join a creative server |
| 16:23 |
independent56 |
erlehmann Because we have to share everything, so we might as well share the server |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> independent, if you can't get along with the operators of any other servers what makes you think that you'll get along with players on your server? |
| 16:24 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You being in a position of power over them instead of the other way around isn't necessarily going to fix fundamental disagreements |
| 16:25 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Whether they kick you off their server or you kick them off yours, it doesn't change the fact that you won't be playing together anymore. |
| 16:25 |
independent56 |
Hmm... |
| 16:25 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Getting along with other people is hard and annoying and very often it sucks, but I guess we have to do it to have the things we want, because the things we want always include other people in some capacity :-| |
| 16:26 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> You can encourage people to visit your server if it offers unique stuff...custom features no other server can just download from CDB or the forum |
| 16:26 |
erlehmann |
what Warr1024 says |
| 16:26 |
erlehmann |
it takes a lot to not get along with any admin |
| 16:26 |
erlehmann |
i mean |
| 16:26 |
erlehmann |
recently on clamity clamork came and spawned a bunch of vindicators and vexes |
| 16:27 |
erlehmann |
those killed another player, a good friend of mine |
| 16:27 |
erlehmann |
she had a sword named “divine intervention” |
| 16:27 |
erlehmann |
i picked it up and |
| 16:27 |
erlehmann |
clamork was killed by me using divine intervention |
| 16:27 |
erlehmann |
i did not get banned for that |
| 16:27 |
erlehmann |
i mean he had it coming :D |
| 16:27 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> That's only true if the admin/staff is able to behave neutrally on their server, but on my servers staff expresses bias/agendas and is not always fair to all players |
| 16:28 |
specing |
Why would you get banned for killing on an anarchy server? |
| 16:28 |
erlehmann |
independent56 would you ban me for killing an admin or mod just because i feel like it? |
| 16:28 |
independent56 |
Wow.... But some admins are just short-tempered, like gpcf. |
| 16:28 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> many servers* |
| 16:28 |
independent56 |
erlehmann, yes... the kill command needs a priv i need to trust you with |
| 16:28 |
erlehmann |
specing i think most servers might ban users if they start killing admins |
| 16:29 |
specing |
erlehmann: most servers have a be nice / no PvP without conset |
| 16:29 |
specing |
consent* |
| 16:29 |
erlehmann |
specing if you want to make sure you get admins or mods during flybys they make of users, just enable killaura |
| 16:29 |
specing |
this applies to players and admins alike |
| 16:29 |
erlehmann |
that way they can not sneak up on you |
| 16:29 |
erlehmann |
without getting killed |
| 16:30 |
specing |
I think that disagree with my view of an admin should be |
| 16:30 |
erlehmann |
independent56 i do not mean using kill command |
| 16:30 |
specing |
And admin should be someone to enforce the rules and not a higher class of players |
| 16:30 |
specing |
*An admin should be someone to enforce the rules and not a higher class of players |
| 16:31 |
erlehmann |
specing well on clamity they sometimes just look what ppl build |
| 16:31 |
erlehmann |
they don't really interfere |
| 16:31 |
independent56 |
PVP is disabled, so it is a hack. erlehmann |
| 16:31 |
erlehmann |
in this case clamork was there for debugging a bunch of nodes |
| 16:31 |
erlehmann |
independent56 there are still ways to kill players with pvp disabled believe me |
| 16:31 |
specing |
That's fine, but they shouldn't use admin powers for that |
| 16:31 |
erlehmann |
ind you won't ever see it coming |
| 16:31 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> If staff actually bans you just for trying to kill staff members then that server should be avoided at all costs...this is exactly what I just said...staff in my eyes is NOT any better than regular players, they just have more responsibilities |
| 16:31 |
erlehmann |
specing well usually clamork just spams chickens and leaves lol |
| 16:31 |
specing |
i.e. no bypassing locked doors, no flying over obtacles (unless rules permit players flying) |
| 16:32 |
independent56 |
erlehmann, Oh yeah, deathtraps and lava. It all depends on the rules. if they say "no death", it's a ban. |
| 16:33 |
erlehmann |
IhrFussel well i was on one server and another player told me flying is not allowed. and i was like "i read the somewhat long rules and there is nothing in the rules about it not being allowed and besides, you are flying too" and then that player was like "yeah but i have PRIVILEGES", so i avoided that server, bc obv it was another higher class of player :/ |
| 16:34 |
erlehmann |
independent56 if you think that ppl should be banned for building death traps, why should ANYONE play on your server? |
| 16:35 |
independent56 |
erlehmann, LF does that, and they have a loyal playerbase. one i was part of. |
| 16:35 |
erlehmann |
i once built a death trap near clamity spawn, a cute house with a lot of tnt under it. open the trapped chest, all doors close and the house explodes. i put a sign in front of it "do not steal my diamonds". |
| 16:35 |
erlehmann |
so of course someone managed to set it off |
| 16:35 |
erlehmann |
and then rebuilt it, tnt and all lol |
| 16:35 |
erlehmann |
and later someone else set it off |
| 16:35 |
erlehmann |
it was just too funny :D |
| 16:36 |
erlehmann |
ok well |
| 16:36 |
erlehmann |
it wasn't really a lot of tnt |
| 16:36 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I wasn't trying to say that pissing off an admin is necessarily a high bar to cross, but in the event that the admins really ARE that arbitrary, they aren't likely to have built a community you'd miss being a part of anyway. |
| 16:36 |
erlehmann |
just enough to blow up the house |
| 16:36 |
erlehmann |
yeah what Warr1024 says |
| 16:36 |
erlehmann |
independent56 for what reasons do you not get along with other admins? |
| 16:36 |
erlehmann |
btw clamork is generally nice, but spamming vexes and vindicators is an asshole move |
| 16:37 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> erlehmann, If that player was no staff member then I wouldn't care much what they have to tell me...if the rules don't mention a certain thing and also no staff member talks to me about it then I see no rule violated |
| 16:37 |
specing |
LF doesen't seem to have any heavy rules |
| 16:37 |
independent56 |
I just dont... Moderators generally end up against me... like oneplayer (username) who spoiled TA for me. |
| 16:37 |
specing |
also, LF is the only non-anarchy server with totally unrestricted CSM restrictions |
| 16:38 |
specing |
that I found |
| 16:38 |
erlehmann |
IhrFussel it was a staff member but "it does not violate any of your rules" was apparently not enough |
| 16:38 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> I'm completely against "implied rules" btw...I mean rules that are not written anywhere but still apply |
| 16:38 |
erlehmann |
IhrFussel i was just threatened with ban for doing the same that player did, flying |
| 16:38 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you find that you have problems with a lot of people then you should probably consider the common factor between those failed relationships, at least in part because that factor will be with you in your other ventures like trying to start your own server. |
| 16:39 |
erlehmann |
<specing> also, LF is the only non-anarchy server with totally unrestricted CSM restrictions |
| 16:39 |
erlehmann |
specing, what do you mean CSM restrictions? they have anticheat turned off? |
| 16:39 |
specing |
erlehmann: yeah, the CSM flags are all turned off |
| 16:39 |
specing |
it's not anticheat |
| 16:39 |
erlehmann |
<Warr1024> If you find that you have problems with a lot of people then you should probably consider the common factor between those failed relationships, |
| 16:39 |
erlehmann |
Warr1024 speaks wise words |
| 16:39 |
erlehmann |
specing just use waspsaliva and ignore what the server says |
| 16:40 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> The most vague rule I ever saw on a server was "use common sense" this rule can mean anything really, it doesn't help me too much as player who wants to know what exactly is allowed and what's not |
| 16:40 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> As far as unwritten rules go, every server has some. Stuff like having "don't be an ass in chat" without specifying exactly what "ass" means here, assuming everyone should already know. In those cases, the proper way to handle the ambiguity is probably to warn first, so that player have a chance to get it right at least once before getting slapped with a ban. |
| 16:40 |
specing |
erlehmann: CSMRestrictionFlags |
| 16:40 |
erlehmann |
in my opinion, every case in which cheating makes the game less fun for other players, you are mostly cheating yourself out of fun |
| 16:40 |
erlehmann |
like |
| 16:40 |
specing |
erlehmann: I have my own client that partially ignores it |
| 16:40 |
erlehmann |
why would anyone cheat on "inside the box" or CTF |
| 16:40 |
erlehmann |
the fun of it is to solve the challenge yourself |
| 16:40 |
specing |
erlehmann: I said that I will rebase on ws/dfc one day, but that day is not today |
| 16:41 |
Krock |
because they're low-brainers who need assistance to win |
| 16:41 |
erlehmann |
specing post a link here please |
| 16:41 |
Krock |
that's why |
| 16:41 |
erlehmann |
Krock yeah but consider that on inside the box there are not even other players for the puzzle |
| 16:41 |
erlehmann |
Krock so you literally can only cheat yourself |
| 16:41 |
specing |
erlehmann: not here |
| 16:41 |
Krock |
it's totally pointless yeah |
| 16:42 |
erlehmann |
specing why |
| 16:42 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> My policy on how I handle cheat clients on my server is that I join in with other players who are online at the time in collectively laughing at them until they die of embarrassment. |
| 16:42 |
specing |
erlehmann: discord |
| 16:42 |
erlehmann |
specing what is the problem with discord? |
| 16:42 |
erlehmann |
specing you can not post links on irc because of discord? |
| 16:43 |
specing |
I don't like it, + https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord + https://dev.to/daksh777/why-i-quit-using-discord-34b + https://sneak.berlin/20200220/discord-is-not-an-acceptable-choice-for-free-software-projects/ |
| 16:43 |
erlehmann |
oh right |
| 16:43 |
erlehmann |
discord sucks |
| 16:43 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Don't confuse using discord with trusting it. |
| 16:43 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I mean, we use GitHub but we don't really trust it either. |
| 16:43 |
erlehmann |
you trust a person or a thing if they can undermine your security model |
| 16:43 |
erlehmann |
evidently |
| 16:44 |
specing |
I'm boycotting GitHub as well |
| 16:44 |
erlehmann |
github once erroneously hellbanned me |
| 16:44 |
erlehmann |
i stopped using it |
| 16:44 |
specing |
it's why I started CSMing, couldn't fix anything serverside as it was all on GitHub |
| 16:44 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Heh, usually I hear security models defined in terms of trust rather than the other way around, but that works. |
| 16:44 |
erlehmann |
i mean wtf |
| 16:44 |
specing |
now I have 6000 LoC in CSMs |
| 16:45 |
erlehmann |
specing ever consider contributing to waspsaliva? |
| 16:45 |
erlehmann |
cora nice |
| 16:45 |
specing |
erlehmann: I did, and I will. Just need to rebase |
| 16:45 |
specing |
yes, cora nice |
| 16:45 |
specing |
Well, she might not like the license :P |
| 16:45 |
erlehmann |
what is it |
| 16:45 |
specing |
I have affero GPL tentacles ;P |
| 16:45 |
erlehmann |
well talk to her about it |
| 16:46 |
specing |
yeah, it'll come eventually. Need to rebase first |
| 16:46 |
erlehmann |
i do not use waspsaliva much, i mostly usey fly and noclip for building and debugging stuff on other ppls servers and you can get that via priv override easily |
| 16:47 |
specing |
waspsaliva is also interesting as its not on GitHub |
| 16:47 |
erlehmann |
but it has an impressive amount of features |
| 16:47 |
erlehmann |
specing did you see the heart-shaped nether portals on clamity? they are almost all placed by cora using a CSM :) |
| 16:47 |
erlehmann |
and the best thing |
| 16:48 |
erlehmann |
they take about the same amount of obsidian as the original nether prtal |
| 16:50 |
specing |
nah, hadnt |
| 16:50 |
specing |
I'm also experimenting with CSM worldediting |
| 16:50 |
specing |
but got sidetracked with writing a CSM replacement for pipeworks |
| 16:50 |
erlehmann |
what |
| 16:50 |
erlehmann |
specing play more on clamity, it needs more players like you |
| 16:51 |
erlehmann |
ppl who make their own cheat clients also often help fix cheats |
| 16:51 |
specing |
I wouldn't call my client a cheat client |
| 16:51 |
specing |
It's more an "enhanced player experience" client |
| 16:51 |
specing |
even though there's substantial overlap |
| 16:51 |
erlehmann |
specing "cheat client" is shorthand for "non-vanilla" |
| 16:52 |
erlehmann |
i.e. every dev version is technically a cheat client |
| 16:52 |
specing |
if you ask the server owners, perhaps |
| 16:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I mean, the official client is a "cheat client" too :-) |
| 16:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It took like 2 years to get a PR merged just to make it possible to make certain cheats off by default :-/ |
| 16:53 |
erlehmann |
Warr1024 which ones? |
| 16:54 |
erlehmann |
i mean as long as you can dupe using vanilla client it probably is lol |
| 16:54 |
erlehmann |
and that's possible right now |
| 16:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Like the developer tools. |
| 16:55 |
erlehmann |
(the joke is that duping happens on the server) |
| 16:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Minecraft has that problem too in vanilla, but at least mod for MC have generally had the ability to distinguish between players and developers. |
| 16:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I'm actually not all that familiar with duping in MT. |
| 16:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Is it caused by bugs in the game code, or are there engine problems that games would have to guard against? |
| 16:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I've had duping bugs in my own game but they've always been my own fault, not the engine's, so far. |
| 16:57 |
erlehmann |
Warr1024 every dupe bug is either an engine problem with not keeping track of items correctly or bugs in lua mods, mostly in nodes that handle inventories |
| 16:57 |
erlehmann |
for example, i think there was a dupe in moreblocks relating to wool |
| 16:57 |
erlehmann |
like don't count on me understanding it, i just inferred it from the commits |
| 16:57 |
erlehmann |
but i think microblocks were in the wool group |
| 16:58 |
erlehmann |
so you could make colored wool with them |
| 16:58 |
erlehmann |
and then cut it up again maybe to get more microblocks? |
| 16:58 |
erlehmann |
something like that |
| 16:59 |
erlehmann |
i discovered a similar bug for wood |
| 16:59 |
erlehmann |
if wood microblocks are still in the wood group, you can make 8 times the amount of charcoal ^^ |
| 16:59 |
erlehmann |
just by cutting them up |
| 16:59 |
erlehmann |
oven does not care |
| 17:00 |
erlehmann |
Warr1024 there is at least one engine bug in minetest that allows duping stuff but i am not telling bc i have not figured out how to fix it. |
| 17:00 |
erlehmann |
and also if you do it, admin will notice |
| 17:00 |
erlehmann |
so it is not particularly useful |
| 17:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Fuel abuse is the oldest trick in minetest games |
| 17:01 |
erlehmann |
to cheat, i mean |
| 17:01 |
erlehmann |
Jonathon please tell me about more historical bugs |
| 17:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Heck, digtron even promotes it |
| 17:01 |
erlehmann |
i love hearing that stuff |
| 17:01 |
erlehmann |
what does digtron do? |
| 17:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> It literrally tells you to use coal blocks as you will get more fuel than using them individually |
| 17:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I'm more interested in preventing or guarding against bugs than I am in exploiting them. I pretty much don't play on other servers, like 100% of my MT time is working on my game. |
| 17:03 |
erlehmann |
but that is a mechanic actually |
| 17:04 |
erlehmann |
Jonathon mineclone2/mineclonia also has that. coal block crafted from 9 coal is as good as 10 coal. |
| 17:04 |
erlehmann |
Warr1024 i like that nodecore is so weird, but i never got into the whole explore the mechanics thing. |
| 17:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Mineclone2 is just mtg under the hood that has been tweaked over time |
| 17:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> So its not suprising |
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| 17:05 |
specing |
erlehmann | if wood microblocks are still in the wood group, you can make 8 times the amount of charcoal ^^ |
| 17:05 |
specing |
nice, but fairly useless as far as cheating goes |
| 17:05 |
specing |
wood is pretty cheap |
| 17:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Mineclone2: mtg minecraft style and runs worse |
| 17:06 |
erlehmann |
Jonathon have you tried mesecraft? |
| 17:06 |
erlehmann |
it pretty neat |
| 17:06 |
erlehmann |
but a bit buggy |
| 17:06 |
erlehmann |
also fuck those giant hornets |
| 17:06 |
erlehmann |
but like |
| 17:06 |
erlehmann |
mesecraft has really neat details |
| 17:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> No, but ive seen it, just a mtg plus mods |
| 17:06 |
erlehmann |
well it is the interaction that makes it |
| 17:07 |
erlehmann |
it is a really good selection of mods |
| 17:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Does it have good glue? |
| 17:07 |
erlehmann |
to make sticky pistons you mean? |
| 17:07 |
erlehmann |
it just has technic |
| 17:07 |
erlehmann |
on the meseclams server someone discovered that technic means nuclear meltdowns are possible |
| 17:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> No, is the mod soup glued together well? |
| 17:08 |
erlehmann |
there is a spire of chernobylite at spawn now |
| 17:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Pretty much the only dupe bugs I've run into were either a simple bug in the code, or a crash bug where I tried to move something, and it was added to the destination but crashed before it could be removed from the source. |
| 17:08 |
erlehmann |
bc someone (*cough* clamork i think) built some tower and did a core meltdown on top of it |
| 17:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Crashes mid-move always end up causing inconsistencies either way, and item deletion is just as bad as duplication for me. |
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erlehmann |
Warr1024 maybe learn how to make atomic transactions |
| 17:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I would kind of like to see a game which pulls elements from classic Minetest (like Mese, Dungeon Masters, and Orrkies [however you spell it])..maybe I'll try to work that into a future game idea |
| 17:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> and rats, can't forget the rats |
| 17:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Heh, if MT was ACID internally then that would simplify things so much. |
| 17:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Hell, it's even built on top of ACID databases like sqlite and pgsql, but then everything is cached in memory and written back async... |
| 17:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The more I work on a game without mobs the more I like it. |
| 17:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Turns out the best monsters are nodes. |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> maybe the true monsters were the friends we made along the way |
| 17:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> That works too. Most disasters the players in NodeCore encounter are self-created. |
| 17:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Sadly my suggestion for a "Player vs Self" tag in CDB was rejected. |
| 17:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It's a game with strong Player vs. Player elements, just no Player vs. Other Player ones. |
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| 17:45 |
independent56 |
Is there like some etiquete on how many repies to a forum post i can make with nobody else replying? |
| 17:45 |
independent56 |
I'm sure 10 replies is regarded as crappy behaviour |
| 17:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I think normally you just balance your willingness to talk into an empty room against your own sense of embarrassment? |
| 17:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> That's my system anyway. A good heuristic is that I like to stop before I scroll the last non-me messages off the top of a screen so I feel like I'm still having a conversation. |
| 17:48 |
independent56 |
haha |
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independent56 |
Hello. I am getting £150 for my birthday, because i will be 15. And my grandmother is slightly crazy. I am jus wondering whether to spend it on homelab equipment, Or a VPS for a year. |
| 18:40 |
independent56 |
I like control, but i also like network speed and power |
| 18:41 |
Krock |
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/0f/26/9c0f2685ea6eebb0babc98450600d68a.jpg |
| 18:45 |
independent56 |
This is a genuine question, asking for the opinion of people with more experience then me. |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
you'll value permanent things more than temporary ones |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
is my take |
| 18:46 |
independent56 |
aye, thanks |
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independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/lOdlojr This is the result of my family throwing obsolete/unwanted tech at me. |
| 18:57 |
Krock |
for hobbyist tasks, use hobbyist hardware |
| 18:57 |
Krock |
for professional work, use professional hardware or hobbyist when time's short |
| 18:58 |
Krock |
put the laptops to some use I guess, but make sure they're properly secured to not open up access from outside to your network |
| 19:01 |
independent56 |
Ah yes... if only they didn't have fatal flaws. one has a locked bios i have been unable to hack into, another has a broken bios, on ehas a broken screen, the red one can't use wifi, the thicc one can't do shit, one can't even use ehternet |
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specing |
sell them |
| 19:01 |
specing |
and buy proper stuff |
| 19:01 |
independent56 |
cool idea! |
| 19:02 |
independent56 |
But how should i sell them? "regular"? "in need of maintanace"? "shit, try finding spare parts"? |
| 19:02 |
independent56 |
and how much would one cost at maximum? £50? |
| 19:02 |
specing |
idk about what you have because imgur's cert expired 2 months ago |
| 19:02 |
specing |
so I just assume you got cool new gadgets |
| 19:03 |
specing |
where 'cool' means cool for the masses and utterly useless otherwise |
| 19:04 |
independent56 |
https://i.imgur.com/fJcKXbL.jpeg |
| 19:04 |
independent56 |
try this |
| 19:04 |
sfan5 |
imgur's cert did not expire 2 months ago, I'd be concerned about what your ISP is doing to your connection |
| 19:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> "you'll value permanent things more than temporary ones" ... sounds like a vote for "neither" :-) |
| 19:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Also, is that pringles can a wifi antenna reflector or just a literal pringles can? |
| 19:05 |
independent56 |
i mean, i can probably get an odd £150 from the stack, maybe £200 if i'm lucky. That can be spent on dedicated server hardware... my god i'm going to have to use a spreadsheet (not that i'm scared or anything, just that i like spreadsheets and get to use them)! |
| 19:06 |
independent56 |
Just a pringles can. i love pringles. it's just that mum refrains from buying them, and they are getting expensive. beck in december they were £1.5. now they're £3.5 |
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specing |
sfan5: yeah, something fishy probably |
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specing |
sfan5: the cert expired 1year 2mo ago |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Dayum. I get the store-bought knock-off pringles, they're like $1 a can |
| 19:07 |
specing |
and was a selfsigned one |
| 19:07 |
independent56 |
i dont like the knockoffs, something about "brand quality" |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> specing: I was wondering why you seemed so paranoid earlier, talking about how you didn't trust discord or github ... now you don't seem paranoid enough. |
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specing |
How so? Ofc I didnt accept the cert |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> no I mean just in general |
| 19:08 |
specing |
And I'm not paranoid |
| 19:08 |
specing |
And I didn't say that I don't trust them |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> haha, I mean, that's what I'm saying :-D |
| 19:08 |
specing |
I said that I don't like it, and that I don't use it |
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* specing |
scrolls up to verify |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yeah, I don't remember the exact wording either. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Anyway, TLS interception is super shady for an ISP or something to be doing to you |
| 19:09 |
specing |
exactly that is what I said |
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specing |
don't use -> boycott |
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specing |
you probably got confused as I linked to other people's blogs |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> coulbe |
| 19:10 |
specing |
I've never used Discord, so I don't have *all* the ammo to argue against using it |
| 19:10 |
specing |
must be my unique ability to recognise bad services from the start |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The only reason I use it is because of other people who use it. I don't think there's any real compelling reason to prefer the technology itself, and the whole proprietary thing is pretty gross. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I think maybe a couple years ago it had a usability edge over Matrix or IRC on mobile but now I think the other platforms have had a chance to catch up so there are options that make them mobile-friendly. |
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specing |
Ok, so why are you still using Discord? |
| 19:14 |
specing |
At least for this channel |
| 19:16 |
independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/A7WmzO9 |
| 19:16 |
independent56 |
rate my spreadsheet B-) |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Inertia |
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independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/3tTXoMF |
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independent56 |
is £400 too high? |
| 19:29 |
independent56 |
I'm just wondering... what use do the people have for old, broken computers? |
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erlehmann |
independent56 wait if you are 14 year old it all makes sense, the not getting along and wanting power and all that |
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erlehmann |
independent56 i suggest to play on clamity a bit to get along with people, seriously |
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erlehmann |
independent56 i doubt you will regret it |
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independent56 |
Ok... |
| 19:35 |
erlehmann |
independent56 if it is too unstructured for you, try your-land.de |
| 19:35 |
erlehmann |
they have elections for mayor and land plots |
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erlehmann |
and A LOT of cities |
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erlehmann |
compared to other servers |
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erlehmann |
and mean enemies named mimics |
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erlehmann |
that can pretend to be any block |
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erlehmann |
so at one point i saw a grass texture moving lol |
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erlehmann |
and yep, it was a mimic |
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erlehmann |
shortly afterwards it changed into a dirt-with-grass block |
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erlehmann |
and the dirt attacked me |
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erlehmann |
:D |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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independent56 |
i'll give it a try, (with stress on the full stop/period) |
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| 20:01 |
independent56 |
All this homelab stuff is complex server hardware stuff. researching is hard. should i give in an make a small rasberry array, with like 10 PIs? |
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independent56 |
(i mean, is it a good idea?) |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> pis are good for working with physical hardware. for software/computer projects, not so much |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> unless you want to build a cheap cluster or something |
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Hawk777 |
Seems like a good way to find yourself painted into a corner when you want to run one program that needs a lot of resources (RAM, CPU power, etc.) and you have enough resources in aggregate, but not on any one machine. |
| 20:11 |
independent56 |
Yeah, a small array, to harness the power of multiple pis. Homelabbing with proper hardware seems to be a bit complex, with so many seperate components. |
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Hawk777 |
Well, but what if you want to run a program that needs just a bit more CPU than a Pi has? If you buy 10 Pis, you’re out of luck. If you took that money and bought one bigger computer, you could still run it. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> to clarify, "unless you want to build a cheap cluster or something" im referring to having a test environment to learn cluster computing, not to actually use it for anything serious |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> mainly because there cheaper than buying old business machines, more power efficient, and more space efficient |
| 20:20 |
independent56 |
oh |
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independent56 |
What if i cluster old desktops like some crappy homelab? |
| 20:21 |
independent56 |
stack them on top of each other like jenga XD |
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specing |
raspberry pis aren't good for working with physical hardware |
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specing |
they lack the IO |
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specing |
they should be viewed as consumer computers without a screen attached. Think as a phone/tablet motherboard |
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independent56 |
oh |
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independent56 |
aha yeag |
| 20:30 |
independent56 |
why is this so cheap? Is it effectively a rasberry pi? https://www.ebay.com/itm/114874948838?hash=item1abf149ce6:g:MpsAAOSw4S1g3j~~ |
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independent56 |
oh wait shipping is $50 |
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specing |
look into Olimex boards for proper embedded |
| 20:39 |
specing |
raspberri pis dont even have full schematics published last I checked |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> :thonking: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/README.md |
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specing |
Jonathon you should have checked them before ":thonking:" |
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specing |
They are only schematics for connectors |
| 20:56 |
specing |
no schematics for processor or memory |
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specing |
and no boardviews |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> pis aren't really like an eval board for a microcontroller that you'd later get in cheaper solderable form for production use; they're basically a unit as they are |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I like them for one-off stuff, and stuff that's closer to computer than microcontroller stuff, of course |
| 20:59 |
specing |
they are consumer hardware |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> They've got a few GPIOs for micrcontrollery sorts of things but from what I can tell they're not great, and I think they want you to buy accessories to do stuff like that |
| 20:59 |
specing |
consumer hardware doesen't have docs |
| 20:59 |
specing |
(unless they got leaked, like in the case of my thinkpad) |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> They've got enough specs that you get the pin-outs of the stuff they provide pins for, and physical dimensions so you can CAD up custom cases and such, but yeah, that's about all. |
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specing |
Now compare that to Olimex boards, where you get the full schematics AND the actuall CAD files used to make these |
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specing |
and the whole development history in a git repo |
| 21:03 |
specing |
and if you open olimex.com, you'll see the whole website is oriented towards engineers |
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specing |
lots of text, few images |
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specing |
unlike the rpi foundation one, which is 100% a consumer website |
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specing |
no data, just videos and pictures |
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specing |
Now, I hope my rant here helped prevent at least one person from getting scammed by the rpi foundation |
| 21:06 |
specing |
unless you wanted a consumer arm computer, in which case... welp |
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sfan5 |
independent56: (modern) Pentium CPUs are pretty weak compared to mid-range x86 stuff people usually have but it should beat an ARM board any day |
| 21:28 |
independent56 |
hmm yeah. My main struggle now with finding homelab hardware is converting from freedom currency to british currency ($ --> £) |
| 21:28 |
specing_ |
not a Cavium ThunderX ARM board, no |
| 21:29 |
sfan5 |
check ebay.co.uk instead? |
| 21:40 |
independent56 |
Oh god! yeah! XD |
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independent56 |
I forgot big companies localise with different TLDs. not like gb.ebay.com, or us.ebay.com |
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independent56 |
I have just realised how fun window shopping is with wish. but i would never buy from them. goodnight |
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independent56 |
yeah... i saw a sata cable for sale, got onto ebay, found one, and put it onto the spreadsheet. |
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independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/BfAaPfJ Which looks a lot more like this now |
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