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independent56 |
all my "players" are just visitors, looking at the map (and in one case, attempting to place cobble inprotected areas) |
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independent56 |
i hope one day, i wont just get visitors, and instead, a proper player. just like my playership with tunnler's abyss, building because "why not?". |
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independent56 |
and maybe i shouldnt creep out my players by flying, staring at those who play on my server. |
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independent56 |
just a thought |
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definitely_a |
Are you Minecraft veterans playing Mineclone2 or Mineclonia? The latter seems to have more level headed project leaders overall. |
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definitely_a |
I checked the issues on Mineclone2 git and oh my, was it a great shism... ,:( |
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schism* |
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independent56 |
how's my imposter syndrome? dont even ask http://2.26.38.198/wordpress/2021/06/13/i-am-i-am-not/ pls help me |
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entuland |
if you really are 14 years old I guess you should just take it easy and don't stress yourself out over such dilemmas |
| 16:01 |
entuland |
just enjoy what you do and if you feel like it, put effort at getting better at it |
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entuland |
mind you, that stands even if you're 56 years old |
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entuland |
I'm 42 years old and I have never bothered even attempting multithreaded programming |
| 16:05 |
entuland |
there is no such thing as a binary "true/false programmer" - world is nuanced |
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entuland |
world / life / whatever |
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y5nw |
reality |
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entuland |
that one, yes :) |
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celeron55 |
if you're 14 years old, look at other people who are 14 years old |
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celeron55 |
you're ways ahead if you just know what programming is |
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celeron55 |
no need to stress about it |
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celeron55 |
same thing for system administration |
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celeron55 |
continue the hobby in any amount and you'll still be ahead after 10 years |
| 16:11 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Or don't look at other people who are 14, some people move at their own pace. I remember wanting to have my fair share of megaprojects when I was a teen, come to find out megaprojects kinda suck IMO. |
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celeron55 |
what even is a megaproject |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Some big endeavor that is expected to take anywhere from years to your entire career to complete, often with the intention of becoming popular enough to support its own development. |
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sfan5 |
something bigger than a project but clearly smaller than a hyperproject |
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specing |
you'll be ahead after 10 years, but others will be ahead in social matters |
| 16:14 |
celeron55 |
that's true, i would recommend the social things also |
| 16:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Honestly I didn't really do much with programming until my later teens, that's when I started having (slightly) smaller ideas and seeing problems to fix rather than fixes without a problem. |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Started to, anyways |
| 16:16 |
celeron55 |
not to sound super depressing, but it's annoying to try climbing out of loneliness at 25. definitely don't set yourself up for that challenge |
| 16:16 |
specing |
and if you are too ahead of everyone, you'll become a friendless social outcast |
| 16:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I mean, some people like being a hermit, but most don't. |
| 16:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Finding spaces outside of the internet can also help, such as a local Maker's Space, Hacker's Space, or User's Group |
| 16:19 |
celeron55 |
specing: not necessarily if you don't build your entire persona around it |
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rubenwardy |
university is also great for making friends |
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rubenwardy |
the recipe just requires adding alcohol |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> and making debt /s |
| 16:21 |
celeron55 |
it's also great for not making friends |
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specing |
celeron55: it's hard to socialise if you use things that noone else is using, and other people using things that you are not using |
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rubenwardy |
in the UK, it's more like tax. It's paid as a % of my earnings over a threshold |
| 16:22 |
celeron55 |
specing: -> also use things other people are using |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Ruben: Interesting |
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rubenwardy |
If you earn less than £22k, you don't need to pay anything. It's a certain percentage of your earnings over 21k, just like any other tax |
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specing |
celeron55: yeah, no. My dislike of windows/facebook/msn/discord/etc has not changed since primary school |
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rubenwardy |
Yeah, Facebook is a definite requirement for a social life at university |
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specing |
seemed so, yeah. I was out of everything |
| 16:24 |
rubenwardy |
all the events are organised through it |
| 16:24 |
specing |
yep |
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rubenwardy |
There's a point where you need to weigh up the limited loss of privacy with your own happiness |
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specing |
Thing is, I am happier without it (other than not having a social life, but you get used to it) |
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celeron55 |
ah, always so lovely when a megacorporation basically owns people |
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rubenwardy |
you can probably make do without it if you have good connections with flatmates and such, and if you campaign the uni to list events on their own website |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I had Facebook for a year, then decided it was best left alone. |
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celeron55 |
i have a false throwaway facebook account for reading private groups, but i never post anything and never represent myself there |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Was probably a year too long tbh- |
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celeron55 |
i had an actual account in 2007 or so, for a year or two |
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specing |
rubenwardy: the events I attended were all published in uni mailing list. There were also many that were facebook only, or required registration there |
| 16:28 |
specing |
which I obviously did not attend |
| 16:30 |
rubenwardy |
anyway, it's hard to make friends after university. Uni has the benefit of lots of different people, alcohol, and a general friend making attitude - everyone is away from home and doesn't know anyone |
| 16:30 |
rubenwardy |
but after that, you tend to have work colleagues, any groups you go to, and friends of friends |
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specing |
rubenwardy: most my classmates weren't away from home. We don't have campus-style unis that are common in usa |
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rubenwardy |
Our uni was a city university not a campus university, most people were still away from home though |
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specing |
Alcohol is also no-go. It messed with your self-control. I also hold that if you need alcohol to befriend someone, you shouldn't befriend them anyway |
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rubenwardy |
you don't need it, but it helps |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
there are non-alcohol events too - board game nights, cafe crawls, etc. It's just an excuse to do something |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Funny thing about this community is that for many people (myself included) this was pretty much our wider friend group, and for some it might be their main friend group. Of course, the community was more centralized on IRC at the time and -hub/-chat was at it's most active point during 2015-2018 AFAIK. |
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independent56 |
celeron55, haha yeah. im only looking at those teenagers online who have already made a huge/contributed a lot to an advanced program. i fail to see all the students in school who prioritise "spending time with "mates"" more then programing in a cold, dark room, staring into a dark room. |
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independent56 |
and the teachers dont understand whatever i say about programming. any sentence i say will most;y go over their heads. i should use less jargon, and more simple words. but anything to make me look smarter. |
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rubenwardy |
pretty much all students in a school prioritise spending time with mates over programming in cold dark rooms |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Have you tried programming in a warm, well lit room? |
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rubenwardy |
communication is a two-way street, you need to communicate well for people to understand. Code switching is important for that, don't talk to non-technical people the same you would with programmers |
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rubenwardy |
and yeah, generally a good idea :D |
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rubenwardy |
My plants prefer when I program in a warm well lit room |
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entuland |
independent56, trying and make yourself look smarter isn't... smart |
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independent56 |
XD yeah. i shouldnt say "i am operating a self-hosted webserver using XAMPP, public IPs and port forwarding". is hould just say "i made a self-hosted website" but the first makes me look smrt, so i use it |
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independent56 |
and the teacher's confused expression is worth it |
| 16:49 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Oh man, I'm starting to think of 2015 like it's my own 1995...I don't like this |
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celeron55 |
you need to have a with mates mode and a programmer mode just like people who work as programmers, if you're so far into programming even your teachers don't keep up |
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entuland |
even that one may be avoided unless you're queried about what you are doing or what you can do |
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rubenwardy |
anyone that knows their shit will know you're talking shit |
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entuland |
that is, just don't brag around, that'll be a great starting point |
| 16:49 |
rubenwardy |
public IPs and port forwarding? .....you're hosting at home? |
| 16:50 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> ^ |
| 16:50 |
rubenwardy |
I guess by self-hosted you mean literally home labbed rather than managing the hosting yourself |
| 16:50 |
Krock |
if I pay for a VPS and set up a website, is it self-hosted? |
| 16:50 |
rubenwardy |
I'd say yes |
| 16:50 |
rubenwardy |
Ie: I have a self-hosted instance of Weblate on a VPS |
| 16:51 |
independent56 |
yes, mum wont buy me a VPS, so i made a PS at hoem XD |
| 16:51 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Self-hosted usually means not managed by another company, so while the VPS isn't self hosted your website on a VPS would be. |
| 16:51 |
celeron55 |
it's self-hosted if you're the one to call when it breaks |
| 16:51 |
rubenwardy |
I'd say self-hosted is in terms of software management, and home labbing is in terms of hardware management |
| 16:51 |
Krock |
for a website you don't even need a VPS |
| 16:51 |
independent56 |
just some webserver |
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rubenwardy |
ah yeah good point ben |
| 16:51 |
rubenwardy |
nope, you can use a CDN like GitHub pages |
| 16:52 |
rubenwardy |
there are webservers but you don't need to know about them |
| 16:52 |
celeron55 |
calling github pages self-hosted seems stretching it |
| 16:52 |
rubenwardy |
until the fastly outage happens |
| 16:52 |
rubenwardy |
github pages isn't self-hosting |
| 16:52 |
rubenwardy |
you're not managing software or hardware |
| 16:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> That being said, self-hosting has advantages and I encourage using the opportunity to learn. |
| 16:53 |
independent56 |
what should i call it instead? |
| 16:53 |
independent56 |
self-self-hosting? |
| 16:53 |
celeron55 |
when you're a kid, of course you self host out of your bedroom closet |
| 16:53 |
celeron55 |
that's how you learn |
| 16:53 |
celeron55 |
you don't learn otherwise |
| 16:54 |
rubenwardy |
the term for hosting stuff at home is called home labing |
| 16:54 |
independent56 |
ah thanks |
| 16:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I was never allowed to host out of my closet, otherwise I definitely would have had a Raspberry Pi website up years ago :P |
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rubenwardy |
when I was 15, I bricked my parents router by trying to portforward |
| 16:54 |
independent56 |
i wish i had a closet to home-lab from. but i dont. i have to use some table, like some dork |
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independent56 |
i once changed the router's name, and disconnected EVERYONE XD |
| 16:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Having a proper space makes you a dork? |
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rubenwardy |
I managed to turn off the web admin portal and also the internet conenction |
| 16:55 |
y5nw |
I did not host from my closet because of security considerations/Internet censorship |
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rubenwardy |
I fixed it by connecting with an ethernet cable and using telnet to reenable the web admin portal |
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y5nw |
rubenwardy: oof |
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independent56 |
that must hurt. a lesson: do not touch live wires, they could bite back (dont touch a working webserve,r you may break it, like i did, or a router, like you did) |
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y5nw |
In the area I lived in the ISP apparently blocked ports unless you write to them to not block the ports (which I didn't want to do to avoid some lengthy discussion with my parents) |
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y5nw |
independent56: don't touch the apartment you live in or it will collapse :P |
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independent56 |
XD |
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rubenwardy |
I didn't touch live wires? |
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rubenwardy |
Is that an idiom? |
| 16:58 |
independent56 |
live wires being a metaphor for anything people rely on, and is working like a router, or XAMPP server |
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y5nw |
also it should be fine to touch jump wires ... in most cases |
| 17:00 |
independent56 |
the only communication i had to have with my mum was about the webserver - do not unplug or touch it. let it sit and breathe my bedroom air! |
| 17:00 |
beanzilla |
How long does it normally take for a mod to be approved on ContentDB? |
| 17:01 |
independent56 |
it took 2 days for me |
| 17:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Depends how active staff are |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Which is very inactive |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Whats your mod? |
| 17:01 |
beanzilla |
item_generator |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Please hold |
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beanzilla |
I'm not in a rush anyway. |
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beanzilla |
I don't even know if it's valid or not. (I use parts of the default Minetest MTG game, and parts from another mod I was helping the author on) |
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independent56 |
as long as it adds to the MT modding community, its fine. my mod was literally a handful of mods put into a big blender XD |
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beanzilla |
Oh, ok... well then I should be fine then. |
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independent56 |
imo |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Your license is incorrect |
| 17:04 |
beanzilla |
Figured that. |
| 17:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Your using a model and texture from mtg |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Default which is lgplv2 |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> You could depend on default and remove that material thus being mit |
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y5nw |
independent56: if I really thought about hosting a web server from my computer back then I would have to talk to my parents on Internet censorship/safety, physical safety considerations, the fact that I was going to Germany soon (-ish at the time), and possibly letting the ISP at the time acknowledge |
| 17:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Or change it to lgplv2 |
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y5nw |
Maybe make license exceptions? I have seen a few mods do that already |
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beanzilla |
Ah, ok... well I will fix it then... what about code wise? I essentially use my own "chest" concept which is directly from Minetest? |
| 17:06 |
beanzilla |
And when I say "fix" I mean instead of just having the model and textture I just use the default instead. |
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y5nw |
It should be fine if the "concept" does not involve copying code IMO |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ^ |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Using a api is fine, copying the code that makes the api is not |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> (Unless you are using a compatable license) |
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beanzilla |
Ah, ok... so then I guess this was a fail then.... Yeah... exactly... oops. (Well I added it in because I was thinking of adding MineClone2 support, but I might as well since I have decided not to to go back the the old way) |
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celeron55 |
https://i.imgflip.com/5d8nr9.jpg |
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beanzilla |
So it would be fine if I used the default's api? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Yes |
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beanzilla |
And the default's texture and models? |
| 17:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Yes |
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beanzilla |
Ok... well I guess I will strip the un-necessary stuff out since I only added for MineClone2 |
| 17:09 |
beanzilla |
Which I have change my mind on to begin with. :P |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> You could optionally depend on default and mc2 whatever, and then structure your mod to error if neither is found |
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beanzilla |
I was thinking of doing it that way... but I'd need to interpret the mc2 chest to see how it works internally so I can add the same concept there. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Yeah |
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beanzilla |
I've removed the models, textures, and sounds directory on the repo... but I have something else to do IRL right now so I will finish it a bit later. (Obviously now the code will fail, till I update the code) |
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beanzilla |
Thank you for the valuable information on what is valid and not. (Didn't even think about that stuff) |
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independent56 |
you will find the information sold in a local tesco, given that it is so valuble |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Sure, will be busy for a while anyways |
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<AntumDeluge> Requesting a review for my PR "Allow setting nick for favorite servers in client": https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11202 |
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Li0n |
beanzilla: may I suggest using Mineclonia instead of Mineclone2? mcl2 is currently facing a significant loss of quality and playability, causing servers to switch to alternatives one by one |
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sfan5 |
does it still identify itself as mcl2? I don't see a single mineclonia server on the list |
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sfan5 |
oh one actually |
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AristotIe |
is there a place where I can change how often water updates/flows |
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specing |
yeah, abm rate |
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independent56 |
why did minetest choose the port 30 K specifically? is it because the devs wer elike "fuck it, i like this port, its round, fuck it!" |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Because its outside the range other services use |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> I think |
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ar10ch |
Can anyone help with mobs(_redo) ? I can't figure out how I can get the mob to check its surroundings (objects_inside_radius) repeatedly, on timer, instead of using a node/node_timer ? |
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calcul0n_ |
ar10ch, with entity:on_step handler ? |
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independent56 |
i have a max lag of 12. fucking hell! |
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independent56 |
someone needs to make a reitcher scale, but for max_lag. |
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independent56 |
anyways, question - in luacontrollers, how do i get the max_lag value? |
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ar10ch |
ah ok, thanks Calcul0n I'll give that a try |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> I'm pretty sure that luacontrollers don't have access to that info |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you cant get max_lag without parsing /status |
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independent56 |
oh |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> there isnt even a api method for it |
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independent56 |
well goodnight, eyelids want to crash down |
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specing |
There's a mod to add a digiline lag something something |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11077#issuecomment-817931472 |
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independent56 |
vodafone mobile data down in my location. meh |
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ghoti |
Is there a mod which will change body and head position when a player sneaks, sort of the way that commercial voxel engine does it? |
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specing |
ghoti: I think you'll lean forward when sneaking in mineclone |
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specing |
try it on clamity anarchy |
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ghoti |
Hmm, but that wouldn't be visible to other players not running mineclone, would it? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> fly and swim for 3d armor has a sneak animation in the model, not sure if it supports it |
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specing |
ghoti: it's visible. Mineclone is a server-side game |
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erlehmann |
sfan5 just to show how broken mineclone2 is currently (master & production branches), while backporting the mcl_jukebox API to mineclonia we just figured out that the refactorig never worked correctly and broke all existing music records https://git.minetest.land/Mineclonia/Mineclonia/issues/82#issuecomment-24433 |
| 23:23 |
erlehmann |
so anyone who upgrades from mineclone2 0.71 to a hypothetical future version would have music records that are simply not accepted by the jukebox |
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luk3yx |
Could you tell the MineClone2 people about your findings so they can fix it? |
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erlehmann |
i have stopped doing that months ago when i got insults as answers for my suggestions to have mandatory code review |
| 23:25 |
erlehmann |
also fleckenstein is aware of mineclonia and will see it eventually |
| 23:26 |
erlehmann |
i do not believe mineclone2 is salvageable at this point, except for carefully cherry-picking commits |
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erlehmann |
and honestly, i got a conflict in the farming mod while cherry-picking mcl_jukebox changes |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> development of mineclonia seems very slow, and just a filtered backport of mineclone2, not that much it does itself and its not on cdb |
| 23:30 |
erlehmann |
> filtered backport of mineclone2 |
| 23:30 |
erlehmann |
yes that |
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erlehmann |
plus some other things |
| 23:30 |
erlehmann |
but honestly what do you want |
| 23:30 |
erlehmann |
mineclone2 has cool stuff, but you just need to look at kay27 server to see where "lets merge all the cool features" leads |
| 23:30 |
erlehmann |
that server crashes every full hour like clockwork. and often in between. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i mean, if your just going copy mineclone2, why should i use yours over theres? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> personally, looking at both, there both dumpster fires |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> if your just going to filter upstream, as luk3yx said, seems better to contribute upstream |
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erlehmann |
Jonathon clamity did and got from "laggy, barely playable" to "minetest goes brrrrrrr" |
| 23:32 |
erlehmann |
Jonathon look at the mineclone2 issue tracker. i am sure about 15 minutes with it will convince you that it is a dumpster fire. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> if i recall correct they run master, and not releases |
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erlehmann |
there are no releases since 0.71, which was already full of gamebreaking bugs the mineclone2 team post-wuzzy-involvement did not notice |
| 23:33 |
erlehmann |
for example, minecarts going off the rails if you pressed left or right |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> as i stated, both versions are dumpster fires |
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erlehmann |
or quartz and nether wart not generating at all |
| 23:33 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> and if you want to fix yours, eventually you will probably be different enough you wont be able to backport/cherrypick changes |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> *with git |
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erlehmann |
well mineclonia is based on the last playable version of mineclone2 |
| 23:34 |
erlehmann |
playable as in "a few bugfixes away from good" |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> anyways, did you look into my suggested idea for fixing mods that need to depend on "mesecons" redstone? |
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erlehmann |
yes but i did not understand it |
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erlehmann |
Jonathon for contributing stuff to upstream, i tried that several times. one time, for example, i contributed a patch for the crash that happened if you pressed a button at the map border. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> yeah, i noticed that |
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erlehmann |
instead of that fix, something that made buttons at the map border explode if you pressed them was committed first |
| 23:36 |
erlehmann |
which introduces 2 more ways to crash the game lol |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> more like they messed up with git and you through a fit over it |
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erlehmann |
no? |
| 23:36 |
erlehmann |
then the developer i had reported it to, jordan, crashed clamity server repeatedly and bragged about it on youtube |
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erlehmann |
or somethign |
| 23:36 |
erlehmann |
look i know jordan won't do that anymore |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i mean clamity is "anarchy" so anything is free game |
| 23:37 |
erlehmann |
but don't tell me i should contribute to a hostile upstream |
| 23:37 |
erlehmann |
i think crashing the server is generally frowned upon |
| 23:37 |
erlehmann |
the point is it was not helpful |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> whatever, anyways, ill dm you about my idea if your not busy? |
| 23:37 |
erlehmann |
some other change from me contained a bug that made banners not craftable |
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erlehmann |
but instead of reviewing it i was ridiculed for submitting it as plaintext |
| 23:38 |
erlehmann |
so it was merged to mineclone2 and then banners are STILL not craftable to this day |
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erlehmann |
as far as i am aware) |
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erlehmann |
( |
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erlehmann |
argl |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> yeah, yeah, anyways, mind if i dm ya? or got other things to attend to |
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erlehmann |
yeah dm me |
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erlehmann |
but stop suggesting to contribute to a hostile upstream |
| 23:39 |
erlehmann |
i do not actually think they want to be "hostile" but it does not matter |
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erlehmann |
it is frustrating to backport even the simplest things |
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specing |
lol @ exploding buttons |
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erlehmann |
specing oh i bet it was funny for jordan! |
| 23:43 |
erlehmann |
but think about what happens if you manage to chain the explosions |
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erlehmann |
at some point you overflow the stack |
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luk3yx |
I feel like Minetest has become a drama magnet |
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luk3yx |
Many Minetest-related projects suffer from lots of controversy and drama |
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erlehmann |
nah |
| 23:44 |
erlehmann |
not true |
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luk3yx |
Even my statement about it is full of controversy |
| 23:44 |
erlehmann |
those who really have drama simply do not survive long |
| 23:45 |
erlehmann |
i am just ranting right now because i am very frustrated with what should be a simple cherry-pick of 2 commits. it turned out to be a multi-hour "oh wait this code never worked" thing. |
| 23:51 |
luk3yx |
Can't everyone just have fun |
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luk3yx |
And not argue |
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erlehmann |
no |
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erlehmann |
i live in germany, fun is verboten |
| 23:53 |
rubenwardy |
people are complicated, that'll never happen |
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specing |
erlehmann: haha, so true |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> as long as people have different viewpoints, arguments will happen |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> civil arguments are fine |
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erlehmann |
well i was called a terrorist for suggesting code reviews. guess i shouldn't have done that! |
| 23:55 |
erlehmann |
also i like arguing too, but it's tiring |
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erlehmann |
and it should go somewhere |
| 23:55 |
erlehmann |
pointless bickering is for those two muppets that sit on the balcony, i forgot their names |
