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as long as you can get your hands on the proper landline to perform the extraction, that is |
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<Jonathon> heh |
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independent56 |
hello. |
08:44 |
independent56 |
my world almost died. first i made a huge block of tn and ignited it. i tried removing it with deleteblocks, but the next mornign, lerge parts of spawn died. i deleted blocks by "pos" in the database. it must be chunk id... but luckly i had an untampered database. everything is fine. |
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independent56 |
i belive that homedeor should be made more interactive - flushing toilets, fillable baths, usable pans. |
09:09 |
sfan5 |
decor is short for decoration ;) |
09:09 |
independent56 |
oh |
09:09 |
independent56 |
;_; |
09:10 |
independent56 |
might as well make a fork called "homemod". with all the interactivity you need |
09:10 |
Noclip[m] |
Most importantly flushing toilets of course! |
09:11 |
Noclip[m] |
How can a game be good without having flushing toilets here and there? |
09:12 |
independent56 |
yes! i mean, are we going to let our waste just sit there?! |
09:13 |
Noclip[m] |
So you also plan to add "generating toilet waste" into the game? |
09:14 |
thmh |
I'd just flush my leftovers from cooking, and end up with a clogged toilet |
09:15 |
Noclip[m] |
Please name your mod "Toilet simulator" then xD |
09:15 |
independent56 |
no... it will be developed with eevrything else. the stove is not a furnace. it only cooks group:food |
09:16 |
independent56 |
but yeah... every now and then you are teleported to the toilet, loud fart noises are played, you have to flush, then it teleports you back. |
09:21 |
Noclip[m] |
independent56: You're currently falling into a lava sea. Just before you touch it: Game teleports you onto a toilet, some farting sounds appear, you flush the toilet, game teleports you back to the lava and you die. Awesome! |
09:22 |
independent56 |
XD |
09:22 |
independent56 |
deadly poo! |
09:22 |
independent56 |
wait how reove irc message? /j |
09:24 |
Noclip[m] |
Or you just stay onto the toilet forever because you don't want to get teleported back to the lava. |
09:25 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "wait how reove irc message? /j"> As far as I know you can't delete messages on irc. |
09:25 |
independent56 |
i know, i was joking |
09:25 |
Noclip[m] |
Ah, that's what the /j was meant for? |
09:27 |
independent56 |
yes |
09:28 |
independent56 |
make alt > build over lava sea > finish pooping on main account > get teleported onto water |
09:29 |
Noclip[m] |
cheater xD |
09:30 |
independent56 |
Ingara game without cheats is a bad game |
09:30 |
independent56 |
quote |
09:31 |
Noclip[m] |
"a game without cheats is a bad game" |
09:31 |
Noclip[m] |
Try nodecore then |
09:31 |
independent56 |
lol |
09:31 |
independent56 |
i hate that game, too hard |
09:32 |
Noclip[m] |
Cheating will probably just make it 10% easier :D |
09:34 |
independent56 |
XD |
09:35 |
Noclip[m] |
Minecraft: destroy stone with fist |
09:35 |
Noclip[m] |
Nodecore: destroy fist with grass |
09:51 |
independent56 |
real life: where are my shoes??? |
09:51 |
independent56 |
real life: fuck it, i will go out in socks... ugh mud! |
09:54 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "real life: fuck it, i will go ou"> Sounds painfull ... |
09:54 |
independent56 |
lol |
09:55 |
Noclip[m] |
Maybe not for the first 5 minutes but try doing that a whole day. |
09:55 |
Noclip[m] |
I think you aren't even allowed to drive a car without shoes. |
09:55 |
Noclip[m] |
At least not where I live. |
09:56 |
independent56 |
yeah... i prefer barefoot. and im not allowed to drive a car with or without socks (im 14) |
09:59 |
Noclip[m] |
Mhh, I'm totally not used to walk around without shoes. I usually wear slippers at home. |
10:00 |
independent56 |
me too |
10:02 |
Noclip[m] |
What's your opinion about walking on (big) stones barefoot? Do you prefer that, too? |
10:03 |
independent56 |
i prefer it to walking on pebbles. pebbles are the devil on feet |
10:03 |
independent56 |
as long as "big" means >20 cm. |
10:04 |
Noclip[m] |
Big mainly meant bigger than sand xD |
10:08 |
independent56 |
oh |
10:08 |
independent56 |
i thought you meant boulders, the type used in shore protection |
11:03 |
independent56 |
i literally spent 43 minutes of my life griefing a copy of my world... why am i such a machoist? |
11:04 |
MTDiscord |
<MNH48> I think you meant 'masochist' |
11:04 |
Noclip[m] |
independent56: When I was your age I just did the same but with Minecraft. |
11:05 |
independent56 |
lol |
11:05 |
independent56 |
im gonna keep this world, and on april fools, put it on >:-> "where did all ym buildings go" |
11:05 |
Noclip[m] |
And compared to what I did 43 minutes is really not much! |
11:05 |
independent56 |
"SPAWN WAS GREIFED HELP PLS" |
11:05 |
independent56 |
"lava everywhere" |
11:06 |
independent56 |
then on the second of april, i will upload the griefing video. |
11:08 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "im gonna keep this world, and on"> One or two years ago I "reorganized" a friends server on 1. april xD |
11:08 |
Noclip[m] |
(Together with another friend.) |
11:09 |
independent56 |
lol.. on april, as the peak of players join, i shutdown the server by simulating a failure (turning off the wifi on the webbook), backup the world, and start greifing. players come back on, and they see me griefing everywhere >:-> |
11:10 |
independent56 |
then i restore the backup after making players cry |
11:11 |
Noclip[m] |
Well we didn't really "grief" our friends world. |
11:11 |
Noclip[m] |
It was more like a big "reorganization" ... |
11:13 |
Noclip[m] |
For example we replaced a mountain's dirt with netherrack. (was a Minecraft server) |
11:14 |
independent56 |
lol |
11:14 |
Noclip[m] |
And we "moved" half a forest from outside the citiy into the city. |
11:14 |
independent56 |
/replace default:dirt default:netherrack |
11:14 |
independent56 |
XD |
11:14 |
independent56 |
~ //move x 200 |
11:14 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "/replace default:dirt default:ne"> No no no, we did all of that by hand in survival mode! |
11:14 |
independent56 |
0_0 |
11:14 |
independent56 |
use worldedit! |
11:15 |
Noclip[m] |
We didn't had any special privs xD |
11:16 |
independent56 |
i thought minecraft didnt have a priv system, and it was just "player gets worldedit creative mode" or "player gets worldedit survival mode" |
11:19 |
Noclip[m] |
independent56: Without mods/plugins minecraft has normal players and admins. We were both normal players. |
11:20 |
independent56 |
hmm |
11:24 |
Noclip[m] |
Also it was a lot of fun doing that by hand xD |
11:24 |
independent56 |
i remember when i was a noob, i didnt know about the priv system. i was like "why not can i fly?". but now wheneve ri start a world, i do /grantme all. it works. |
11:25 |
Noclip[m] |
Unfortunately that friend never talked with us about the server after that ... |
11:26 |
Noclip[m] |
The friend just behaved as if the server never existed. |
11:26 |
independent56 |
XD |
11:28 |
independent56 |
i'll never have this problem because i have no friends. |
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Noclip[m] |
Ohhh |
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independent56 |
i need to automagically kill people if they reach a certain y co-ordinate. is there an easy way to do that? i am making a singlenode map, wher eyou are not allowed to suicide jump, |
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Noclip[m] |
If suicide jump isn't allowed you should make it kill them?! |
14:21 |
independent56 |
XD if you jamp, oyu would be falling forever |
14:21 |
independent56 |
its singlenode |
14:21 |
sfan5 |
http://sprunge.us/9GVYbm?lua |
14:22 |
independent56 |
thx |
14:22 |
sfan5 |
killing isn't instant but it sounds like that's okay for your usecase |
14:22 |
independent56 |
thx |
14:27 |
independent56 |
its amazing. it starts at y=-100, and then players die at -250. all within 10 seconds of falling. |
14:29 |
independent56 |
wifi is going :-/ |
14:29 |
Noclip[m] |
independent56: And just before they die they get teleported onto the toilet xD |
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specing_ |
Has there been a discussion somewhere about move from freenode to libera? |
14:58 |
Noclip[m] |
What? You are currently on libera! |
14:59 |
specing_ |
I know |
14:59 |
specing_ |
I just wanted to know if this was discussed somewhere. I can't see anything on the forums |
14:59 |
thmh |
specing_: have you checked the logs? https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/ |
15:01 |
celeron55 |
frankly the need to move from freenode to libera was so obvious it didn't need much discussion |
15:01 |
specing_ |
I wish abandoning Github and Discord was also so obvious |
15:01 |
thmh |
^ |
15:02 |
specing_ |
Which I pointed out back when #minetest was still on Freenode, but of course some proprietary networks are fine, while Leenode is not |
15:02 |
specing_ |
Obvious? |
15:02 |
celeron55 |
you don't need to be on discord |
15:02 |
thmh |
specing_: tbf, freenode is still bridged, so it's no different with discord. |
15:03 |
specing_ |
thmh: yes, but I'm pointing out that the move to Libera is not as obvious as you say it was |
15:03 |
celeron55 |
our tactic in this mess is to bridge everything, it's our best bet to try to keep the community together |
15:03 |
celeron55 |
not being on something would just make more separate communities, people don't leave discord if MT isn't officially there |
15:05 |
specing_ |
thmh: and freenode is not bridged |
15:06 |
celeron55 |
i've yet to see a proposal of a github replacement that has all the features we need, isn't proprietary and doesn't come with a huge hosting and/or development burden |
15:06 |
celeron55 |
so get to work |
15:06 |
specing_ |
salsa.debian.org |
15:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Freenode is practically burning itself down, I think its pretty obvious. |
15:11 |
celeron55 |
specing_: that's the most reasonable proposal so far |
15:11 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Celeron55, any plan to update the certificate for dev.minetest.net? |
15:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> c55: unfortunately because it's debian i don't think it'll get patched outside of once or twice a year |
15:14 |
celeron55 |
ehm... well it's on my todo list |
15:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> </sarcasm> |
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specing_ |
Benrob0329 Discord is already a heap of rubble |
15:17 |
specing_ |
https://sneak.berlin/20200220/discord-is-not-an-acceptable-choice-for-free-software-projects/ |
15:17 |
celeron55 |
discord is completely out of question for a primary network for MT, you don't need to worry about that |
15:18 |
specing_ |
It should be out of the question as a secondary one as well |
15:18 |
specing_ |
Or tertiary.. or anything, really |
15:18 |
celeron55 |
it was unofficially created and persisted for years |
15:18 |
celeron55 |
there's no way for us to stop it |
15:18 |
specing_ |
also celeron55 https://git.sdf.org/humanacollaborator/humanacollabora/src/branch/master/forge_comparison.md |
15:19 |
celeron55 |
denying its existence just makes us look stupid and divides the community |
15:19 |
celeron55 |
and limits contributions |
15:20 |
specing_ |
sr.ht probably also has feature parity |
15:20 |
specing_ |
You don't have to deny it's existance. You can ask people to use either Matrix or IRC or XMPP or .... |
15:20 |
specing_ |
And that they are on their own if they use discord |
15:20 |
specing_ |
(And also terminate the bridge to here) |
15:21 |
celeron55 |
sourcehut doesn't seem like something that's necessarily very long lived |
15:21 |
sfan5 |
sourcehut is probably one of the better ones in that list |
15:21 |
sfan5 |
https://git.sdf.org/humanacollaborator/humanacollabora/src/branch/master/github.md this page is funny |
15:22 |
celeron55 |
who runs sourcehut? and since when? |
15:22 |
specing_ |
Drew Devault (ddevault on irc) |
15:22 |
sfan5 |
drew devault, a few years iirc |
15:23 |
sfan5 |
first point on that page: a survey shows people don't report bugs when there is no other option, the survey: n=34, conducted in a niche community on mastodon |
15:24 |
sfan5 |
then later the page somehow brings climate into this (?!) |
15:24 |
sfan5 |
also various points about Microsoft being bad for human rights and democracy, while the list you first linked lists gitee.com (Chinese) as an alternative that ticks all boxes |
15:26 |
specing_ |
sfan5: that's true on N=1, as I have been boycotting GitHub for years now |
15:26 |
sfan5 |
the second point of being tor-hostile is misinterpreted/bogus by the way; sign ins from a new location have been emailing you verify code for a while |
15:26 |
specing_ |
My only contribution is to pipeworks on gitlab.com (which is also proprietary, but they get somewhat of a pass for maintaining gitlabCE) |
15:27 |
specing_ |
All I can do for minetest is develop client-side mods |
15:28 |
celeron55 |
the obvious better alternative to github is going to come eventually. anyway, i do trust the debian project and gitlab does have quite some features, which makes it reasonable even without looking at any comparisons |
15:28 |
celeron55 |
i mean, which makes debian salsa reasonable |
15:28 |
sfan5 |
I thought that was only for debian maintainers and projects |
15:29 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> I hope the CSM API that is not controllable server side stays as it is honestly |
15:29 |
celeron55 |
specing_: they seem to be open to any open source projects that are packageable for debian |
15:29 |
celeron55 |
sfan5* |
15:29 |
sfan5 |
ah |
15:29 |
sfan5 |
anyway last thing to my previous point: needless to say I cannot take that list of hosters without ethical issues seriously |
15:29 |
celeron55 |
anyway, the question then, as we need developers, not politicians, is, how many developers would we gain vs. lose by switching from github to salsa.debian.org |
15:30 |
specing_ |
celeron55: I know that you do partially use GitLab, as the Minetest repo has .gitlab-ci.yml in it (which works on my fork) |
15:30 |
specing_ |
IhrFussel I've extended it somewhat, but plan to eventually rebase on dfc/ws |
15:32 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> If the client decides to connect o a certain server it should obey what the server wants to an extent where the INTENDED gameplay doesn't get altered client side |
15:33 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Any pure CSM that could be used to give you an unfair advantage over others that don't use the CSM on the server should be forbidden...that's my stance |
15:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> nerzhul wrote that not c55 specing_ |
15:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> and quit the zealotry |
15:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> that shits old as fuck and cringy |
15:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> a shit stain no amount of scrubbing can remove |
15:35 |
specing_ |
What |
15:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> gitlab-ci is from nerzhul |
15:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> FOSS zealotry is boring and outdated |
15:36 |
sfan5 |
wut |
15:36 |
sfan5 |
the gitlab ci script is acticely maintained |
15:36 |
sfan5 |
as is the mirror on gitlab |
15:36 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> > (And also terminate the bridge to here) |
15:37 |
specing_ |
Jordach are you an official representative of Discord, Inc? |
15:37 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> no |
15:37 |
specing_ |
Because you definetely sound like one |
15:37 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> somebody who cares more about users freedom than have it revoked by an unelected twat |
15:37 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> free to use whatever they want |
15:37 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> ethical or not |
15:38 |
specing_ |
IhrFussel My stance is that it is up to players to decide whether they want to respect rules or not (and get banned). I do not plan to restrict technical capabilities just because some of it might be used for cheating. Your stance (that is shared with many server owners) is holding back technical progress and that is bad. |
15:42 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Banning would be an option if you could DETECT CSMs that violate rules server side, but if you don't plan to let servers know what the client is doing exactly on its own your point is moot |
15:44 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> It would also be somewhat unfair to not include such a feature since server-sent CSMs will definitely have that (a prompt that lets the user decide whether or not they want to connect to that server and runs its client mods) |
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specing_ |
Well, you can. You just don't have it implemented and are blindly trusting the client. This is a bug in the server (or a feature?) and a not a client-side problem. |
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Noclip[m] |
<celeron55 "frankly the need to move from fr"> xD |
15:49 |
Noclip[m] |
freenode just fell apart in just a few days ... |
15:49 |
Noclip[m] |
celeron55: Did you close the freenode room or did freenode do that "for you"? |
15:49 |
Noclip[m] |
<MTDiscord "<Benrob0329> Freenode is practic"> Jup |
15:49 |
Noclip[m] |
xD |
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Noclip[m] |
Jordach: Debian's release cycle isn't that fast xD |
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Noclip[m] |
Did I miss something? Which technical capabilities are we talking about here? specing_ |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Well there are the csm_restriction_flags but the client needs to be honest for those to work |
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sfan5 |
ShadowBot: ? |
15:51 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> And someone who wants to give the client more control over server gameplay could easily "forget" those |
15:55 |
specing_ |
IhrFussel the restriction flags only tell the client to restrict the currently very limited API |
15:57 |
MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> The end result is the same...the server can tell the client whatever it wants if the client weighs client control over server control and just ignores any restriction flags |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Now I don't claim that your fork does ignore such flags but it would be super easy to do that |
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Ehh: "ShadowBot has kicked this user from #minetest (Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.)" |
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16:21 |
independent56 |
could you guys not chat so much? it is a pain to read the logs. /j |
16:21 |
Noclip[m] |
Is that a bug? |
16:22 |
sfan5 |
Noclip[m]: no idea why it did that tbh |
16:22 |
rubenwardy |
independent56: you don't have to read all the logs :D |
16:22 |
independent56 |
XD |
16:22 |
rubenwardy |
also, bouncers are useful |
16:22 |
independent56 |
just the onces from when i left |
16:22 |
independent56 |
"bouncers" rubenwardy please explain. |
16:22 |
Noclip[m] |
<rubenwardy "independent56: you don't have to"> xD |
16:23 |
Noclip[m] |
<rubenwardy "also, bouncers are useful"> Or just use matrix that is it's own bouncer. |
16:23 |
independent56 |
Noclip[m], "independent56: you don't have to"> xD |
16:23 |
rubenwardy |
A bouncer is a piece of software used to have rollback logs on IRC |
16:23 |
independent56 |
where it cuts off is halarious |
16:23 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, you could also use matrix |
16:23 |
rubenwardy |
rollback logs is when you connect to a chat software, and see the messages whilst you were away |
16:24 |
rubenwardy |
ZNC is a popular bouncer that works with any IRC client |
16:24 |
Noclip[m] |
<sfan5 "Noclip: no idea why it did that "> Would it ban me the next time? |
16:24 |
rubenwardy |
I use Quassel, which has a builtin bouncer-like software called Quassel-Core. It works well with multiple IRC clients |
16:24 |
rubenwardy |
but Matrix has this functionality builtin as well |
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Noclip[m] |
But you need to self-host bouncers. In case of matrix your homeserver does that for you ... |
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rubenwardy |
yeah that's one benefix |
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independent56 |
why do i need a bouncer when logger56 exists? |
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Noclip[m] |
independent56: You don't need to. If reading the logs isn't an issue for you than just go with that. |
16:38 |
independent56 |
lol yeah |
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independent56 |
Noclip[m], "independent56: you don't have to"> xD i love how this cut-off quote just completely captures me XD |
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Noclip[m] |
Yea, brided answers are a bit confusing. |
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specing |
Noclip[m]: technical capabilities as in client-side wielded light and other things that could be offloaded from the server |
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specing |
IhrFussel the client should always value client control over server control, because the client is ultimately running on player's machine and not on the server. |
17:18 |
specing |
IhrFussel and in any case, the cat is already out of the box. Players can already download a client that respects their preferences above that of the server |
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independent56 |
/join ##geeks |
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independent56 |
wait wait |
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etf |
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independent56 |
hey |
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independent56 |
(i was testing whether i was still dmming nickserv) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: fontengine: Fix crash loading PNG/XML fonts from paths without dot e15cae9 https://git.io/JGu1j (2021-06-01T17:47:41Z) |
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is there a worldedit command to update blocks? "//update"? if i worldedit lava, it wont flow. if i move becons, they wont shine. they need to be pdated. |
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any plans to support TLS? |
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(or DTLS as may be the case) |
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<independent56 " /join ##geeks"> !join #guix |
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!join ##geeks |
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independent56 |
nope |
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independent56 |
irc hates me |
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/join ##geeks |
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with no space before |
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rubenwardy |
you can also just click the channel name, usually |
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independent56 |
yay haha i am stupid |
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<AntumDeluge> If I need to add some custom linker flags, do I just append to CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD_LIBRARIES/CMAKE_C_STANDARD_LIBRARIES? Or is there a different option I should use? |
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cmake_exe_linker_flags |
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(but uppercase) |
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MTDiscord |
<AntumDeluge> Okay, I see it. Thank you sfan5. |
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