Time Nick Message 00:31 entuland as long as you can get your hands on the proper landline to perform the extraction, that is 00:41 MTDiscord heh 08:43 independent56 hello. 08:44 independent56 my world almost died. first i made a huge block of tn and ignited it. i tried removing it with deleteblocks, but the next mornign, lerge parts of spawn died. i deleted blocks by "pos" in the database. it must be chunk id... but luckly i had an untampered database. everything is fine. 09:06 independent56 i belive that homedeor should be made more interactive - flushing toilets, fillable baths, usable pans. 09:09 sfan5 decor is short for decoration ;) 09:09 independent56 oh 09:09 independent56 ;_; 09:10 independent56 might as well make a fork called "homemod". with all the interactivity you need 09:10 Noclip[m] Most importantly flushing toilets of course! 09:11 Noclip[m] How can a game be good without having flushing toilets here and there? 09:12 independent56 yes! i mean, are we going to let our waste just sit there?! 09:13 Noclip[m] So you also plan to add "generating toilet waste" into the game? 09:14 thmh I'd just flush my leftovers from cooking, and end up with a clogged toilet 09:15 Noclip[m] Please name your mod "Toilet simulator" then xD 09:15 independent56 no... it will be developed with eevrything else. the stove is not a furnace. it only cooks group:food 09:16 independent56 but yeah... every now and then you are teleported to the toilet, loud fart noises are played, you have to flush, then it teleports you back. 09:21 Noclip[m] independent56: You're currently falling into a lava sea. Just before you touch it: Game teleports you onto a toilet, some farting sounds appear, you flush the toilet, game teleports you back to the lava and you die. Awesome! 09:22 independent56 XD 09:22 independent56 deadly poo! 09:22 independent56 wait how reove irc message? /j 09:24 Noclip[m] Or you just stay onto the toilet forever because you don't want to get teleported back to the lava. 09:25 Noclip[m] As far as I know you can't delete messages on irc. 09:25 independent56 i know, i was joking 09:25 Noclip[m] Ah, that's what the /j was meant for? 09:27 independent56 yes 09:28 independent56 make alt > build over lava sea > finish pooping on main account > get teleported onto water 09:29 Noclip[m] cheater xD 09:30 independent56 Ingar a game without cheats is a bad game 09:30 independent56 quote 09:31 Noclip[m] "a game without cheats is a bad game" 09:31 Noclip[m] Try nodecore then 09:31 independent56 lol 09:31 independent56 i hate that game, too hard 09:32 Noclip[m] Cheating will probably just make it 10% easier :D 09:34 independent56 XD 09:35 Noclip[m] Minecraft: destroy stone with fist 09:35 Noclip[m] Nodecore: destroy fist with grass 09:51 independent56 real life: where are my shoes??? 09:51 independent56 real life: fuck it, i will go out in socks... ugh mud! 09:54 Noclip[m] Sounds painfull ... 09:54 independent56 lol 09:55 Noclip[m] Maybe not for the first 5 minutes but try doing that a whole day. 09:55 Noclip[m] I think you aren't even allowed to drive a car without shoes. 09:55 Noclip[m] At least not where I live. 09:56 independent56 yeah... i prefer barefoot. and im not allowed to drive a car with or without socks (im 14) 09:59 Noclip[m] Mhh, I'm totally not used to walk around without shoes. I usually wear slippers at home. 10:00 independent56 me too 10:02 Noclip[m] What's your opinion about walking on (big) stones barefoot? Do you prefer that, too? 10:03 independent56 i prefer it to walking on pebbles. pebbles are the devil on feet 10:03 independent56 as long as "big" means >20 cm. 10:04 Noclip[m] Big mainly meant bigger than sand xD 10:08 independent56 oh 10:08 independent56 i thought you meant boulders, the type used in shore protection 11:03 independent56 i literally spent 43 minutes of my life griefing a copy of my world... why am i such a machoist? 11:04 MTDiscord I think you meant 'masochist' 11:04 Noclip[m] independent56: When I was your age I just did the same but with Minecraft. 11:05 independent56 lol 11:05 independent56 im gonna keep this world, and on april fools, put it on >:-> "where did all ym buildings go" 11:05 Noclip[m] And compared to what I did 43 minutes is really not much! 11:05 independent56 "SPAWN WAS GREIFED HELP PLS" 11:05 independent56 "lava everywhere" 11:06 independent56 then on the second of april, i will upload the griefing video. 11:08 Noclip[m] One or two years ago I "reorganized" a friends server on 1. april xD 11:08 Noclip[m] (Together with another friend.) 11:09 independent56 lol.. on april, as the peak of players join, i shutdown the server by simulating a failure (turning off the wifi on the webbook), backup the world, and start greifing. players come back on, and they see me griefing everywhere >:-> 11:10 independent56 then i restore the backup after making players cry 11:11 Noclip[m] Well we didn't really "grief" our friends world. 11:11 Noclip[m] It was more like a big "reorganization" ... 11:13 Noclip[m] For example we replaced a mountain's dirt with netherrack. (was a Minecraft server) 11:14 independent56 lol 11:14 Noclip[m] And we "moved" half a forest from outside the citiy into the city. 11:14 independent56 /replace default:dirt default:netherrack 11:14 independent56 XD 11:14 independent56 ~ //move x 200 11:14 Noclip[m] No no no, we did all of that by hand in survival mode! 11:14 independent56 0_0 11:14 independent56 use worldedit! 11:15 Noclip[m] We didn't had any special privs xD 11:16 independent56 i thought minecraft didnt have a priv system, and it was just "player gets worldedit creative mode" or "player gets worldedit survival mode" 11:19 Noclip[m] independent56: Without mods/plugins minecraft has normal players and admins. We were both normal players. 11:20 independent56 hmm 11:24 Noclip[m] Also it was a lot of fun doing that by hand xD 11:24 independent56 i remember when i was a noob, i didnt know about the priv system. i was like "why not can i fly?". but now wheneve ri start a world, i do /grantme all. it works. 11:25 Noclip[m] Unfortunately that friend never talked with us about the server after that ... 11:26 Noclip[m] The friend just behaved as if the server never existed. 11:26 independent56 XD 11:28 independent56 i'll never have this problem because i have no friends. 11:30 Noclip[m] Ohhh 14:14 independent56 i need to automagically kill people if they reach a certain y co-ordinate. is there an easy way to do that? i am making a singlenode map, wher eyou are not allowed to suicide jump, 14:19 Noclip[m] If suicide jump isn't allowed you should make it kill them?! 14:21 independent56 XD if you jamp, oyu would be falling forever 14:21 independent56 its singlenode 14:21 sfan5 http://sprunge.us/9GVYbm?lua 14:22 independent56 thx 14:22 sfan5 killing isn't instant but it sounds like that's okay for your usecase 14:22 independent56 thx 14:27 independent56 its amazing. it starts at y=-100, and then players die at -250. all within 10 seconds of falling. 14:29 independent56 wifi is going :-/ 14:29 Noclip[m] independent56: And just before they die they get teleported onto the toilet xD 14:56 specing_ Has there been a discussion somewhere about move from freenode to libera? 14:58 Noclip[m] What? You are currently on libera! 14:59 specing_ I know 14:59 specing_ I just wanted to know if this was discussed somewhere. I can't see anything on the forums 14:59 thmh specing_: have you checked the logs? https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/ 15:01 celeron55 frankly the need to move from freenode to libera was so obvious it didn't need much discussion 15:01 specing_ I wish abandoning Github and Discord was also so obvious 15:01 thmh ^ 15:02 specing_ Which I pointed out back when #minetest was still on Freenode, but of course some proprietary networks are fine, while Leenode is not 15:02 specing_ Obvious? 15:02 celeron55 you don't need to be on discord 15:02 thmh specing_: tbf, freenode is still bridged, so it's no different with discord. 15:03 specing_ thmh: yes, but I'm pointing out that the move to Libera is not as obvious as you say it was 15:03 celeron55 our tactic in this mess is to bridge everything, it's our best bet to try to keep the community together 15:03 celeron55 not being on something would just make more separate communities, people don't leave discord if MT isn't officially there 15:05 specing_ thmh: and freenode is not bridged 15:06 celeron55 i've yet to see a proposal of a github replacement that has all the features we need, isn't proprietary and doesn't come with a huge hosting and/or development burden 15:06 celeron55 so get to work 15:06 specing_ salsa.debian.org 15:08 MTDiscord Freenode is practically burning itself down, I think its pretty obvious. 15:11 celeron55 specing_: that's the most reasonable proposal so far 15:11 MTDiscord Celeron55, any plan to update the certificate for dev.minetest.net? 15:14 MTDiscord c55: unfortunately because it's debian i don't think it'll get patched outside of once or twice a year 15:14 celeron55 ehm... well it's on my todo list 15:14 MTDiscord 15:16 specing_ Benrob0329 Discord is already a heap of rubble 15:17 specing_ https://sneak.berlin/20200220/discord-is-not-an-acceptable-choice-for-free-software-projects/ 15:17 celeron55 discord is completely out of question for a primary network for MT, you don't need to worry about that 15:18 specing_ It should be out of the question as a secondary one as well 15:18 specing_ Or tertiary.. or anything, really 15:18 celeron55 it was unofficially created and persisted for years 15:18 celeron55 there's no way for us to stop it 15:18 specing_ also celeron55 https://git.sdf.org/humanacollaborator/humanacollabora/src/branch/master/forge_comparison.md 15:19 celeron55 denying its existence just makes us look stupid and divides the community 15:19 celeron55 and limits contributions 15:20 specing_ sr.ht probably also has feature parity 15:20 specing_ You don't have to deny it's existance. You can ask people to use either Matrix or IRC or XMPP or .... 15:20 specing_ And that they are on their own if they use discord 15:20 specing_ (And also terminate the bridge to here) 15:21 celeron55 sourcehut doesn't seem like something that's necessarily very long lived 15:21 sfan5 sourcehut is probably one of the better ones in that list 15:21 sfan5 https://git.sdf.org/humanacollaborator/humanacollabora/src/branch/master/github.md this page is funny 15:22 celeron55 who runs sourcehut? and since when? 15:22 specing_ Drew Devault (ddevault on irc) 15:22 sfan5 drew devault, a few years iirc 15:23 sfan5 first point on that page: a survey shows people don't report bugs when there is no other option, the survey: n=34, conducted in a niche community on mastodon 15:24 sfan5 then later the page somehow brings climate into this (?!) 15:24 sfan5 also various points about Microsoft being bad for human rights and democracy, while the list you first linked lists gitee.com (Chinese) as an alternative that ticks all boxes 15:26 specing_ sfan5: that's true on N=1, as I have been boycotting GitHub for years now 15:26 sfan5 the second point of being tor-hostile is misinterpreted/bogus by the way; sign ins from a new location have been emailing you verify code for a while 15:26 specing_ My only contribution is to pipeworks on gitlab.com (which is also proprietary, but they get somewhat of a pass for maintaining gitlabCE) 15:27 specing_ All I can do for minetest is develop client-side mods 15:28 celeron55 the obvious better alternative to github is going to come eventually. anyway, i do trust the debian project and gitlab does have quite some features, which makes it reasonable even without looking at any comparisons 15:28 celeron55 i mean, which makes debian salsa reasonable 15:28 sfan5 I thought that was only for debian maintainers and projects 15:29 MTDiscord I hope the CSM API that is not controllable server side stays as it is honestly 15:29 celeron55 specing_: they seem to be open to any open source projects that are packageable for debian 15:29 celeron55 sfan5* 15:29 sfan5 ah 15:29 sfan5 anyway last thing to my previous point: needless to say I cannot take that list of hosters without ethical issues seriously 15:29 celeron55 anyway, the question then, as we need developers, not politicians, is, how many developers would we gain vs. lose by switching from github to salsa.debian.org 15:30 specing_ celeron55: I know that you do partially use GitLab, as the Minetest repo has .gitlab-ci.yml in it (which works on my fork) 15:30 specing_ IhrFussel I've extended it somewhat, but plan to eventually rebase on dfc/ws 15:32 MTDiscord If the client decides to connect o a certain server it should obey what the server wants to an extent where the INTENDED gameplay doesn't get altered client side 15:33 MTDiscord Any pure CSM that could be used to give you an unfair advantage over others that don't use the CSM on the server should be forbidden...that's my stance 15:34 MTDiscord nerzhul wrote that not c55 specing_ 15:34 MTDiscord and quit the zealotry 15:35 MTDiscord that shits old as fuck and cringy 15:35 MTDiscord a shit stain no amount of scrubbing can remove 15:35 specing_ What 15:35 MTDiscord gitlab-ci is from nerzhul 15:35 MTDiscord FOSS zealotry is boring and outdated 15:36 sfan5 wut 15:36 sfan5 the gitlab ci script is acticely maintained 15:36 sfan5 as is the mirror on gitlab 15:36 MTDiscord > (And also terminate the bridge to here) 15:37 specing_ Jordach are you an official representative of Discord, Inc? 15:37 MTDiscord no 15:37 specing_ Because you definetely sound like one 15:37 MTDiscord somebody who cares more about users freedom than have it revoked by an unelected twat 15:37 MTDiscord free to use whatever they want 15:37 MTDiscord ethical or not 15:38 specing_ IhrFussel My stance is that it is up to players to decide whether they want to respect rules or not (and get banned). I do not plan to restrict technical capabilities just because some of it might be used for cheating. Your stance (that is shared with many server owners) is holding back technical progress and that is bad. 15:42 MTDiscord Banning would be an option if you could DETECT CSMs that violate rules server side, but if you don't plan to let servers know what the client is doing exactly on its own your point is moot 15:44 MTDiscord It would also be somewhat unfair to not include such a feature since server-sent CSMs will definitely have that (a prompt that lets the user decide whether or not they want to connect to that server and runs its client mods) 15:45 specing_ Well, you can. You just don't have it implemented and are blindly trusting the client. This is a bug in the server (or a feature?) and a not a client-side problem. 15:49 Noclip[m] xD 15:49 Noclip[m] freenode just fell apart in just a few days ... 15:49 Noclip[m] celeron55: Did you close the freenode room or did freenode do that "for you"? 15:49 Noclip[m] Freenode is practic"> Jup 15:49 Noclip[m] xD 15:49 Noclip[m] Jordach: Debian's release cycle isn't that fast xD 15:49 Noclip[m] Did I miss something? Which technical capabilities are we talking about here? specing_ 15:50 MTDiscord Well there are the csm_restriction_flags but the client needs to be honest for those to work 15:51 sfan5 ShadowBot: ? 15:51 MTDiscord And someone who wants to give the client more control over server gameplay could easily "forget" those 15:55 specing_ IhrFussel the restriction flags only tell the client to restrict the currently very limited API 15:57 MTDiscord The end result is the same...the server can tell the client whatever it wants if the client weighs client control over server control and just ignores any restriction flags 15:59 MTDiscord Now I don't claim that your fork does ignore such flags but it would be super easy to do that 16:20 Noclip[m] Ehh: "ShadowBot has kicked this user from #minetest (Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.)" 16:21 independent56 could you guys not chat so much? it is a pain to read the logs. /j 16:21 Noclip[m] Is that a bug? 16:22 sfan5 Noclip[m]: no idea why it did that tbh 16:22 rubenwardy independent56: you don't have to read all the logs :D 16:22 independent56 XD 16:22 rubenwardy also, bouncers are useful 16:22 independent56 just the onces from when i left 16:22 independent56 "bouncers" rubenwardy please explain. 16:22 Noclip[m] xD 16:23 Noclip[m] Or just use matrix that is it's own bouncer. 16:23 independent56 Noclip[m], "independent56: you don't have to"> xD 16:23 rubenwardy A bouncer is a piece of software used to have rollback logs on IRC 16:23 independent56 where it cuts off is halarious 16:23 rubenwardy yeah, you could also use matrix 16:23 rubenwardy rollback logs is when you connect to a chat software, and see the messages whilst you were away 16:24 rubenwardy ZNC is a popular bouncer that works with any IRC client 16:24 Noclip[m] Would it ban me the next time? 16:24 rubenwardy I use Quassel, which has a builtin bouncer-like software called Quassel-Core. It works well with multiple IRC clients 16:24 rubenwardy but Matrix has this functionality builtin as well 16:25 Noclip[m] But you need to self-host bouncers. In case of matrix your homeserver does that for you ... 16:27 rubenwardy yeah that's one benefix 16:35 independent56 why do i need a bouncer when logger56 exists? 16:38 Noclip[m] independent56: You don't need to. If reading the logs isn't an issue for you than just go with that. 16:38 independent56 lol yeah 16:49 independent56 Noclip[m], "independent56: you don't have to"> xD i love how this cut-off quote just completely captures me XD 16:52 Noclip[m] Yea, brided answers are a bit confusing. 17:13 specing Noclip[m]: technical capabilities as in client-side wielded light and other things that could be offloaded from the server 17:16 specing IhrFussel the client should always value client control over server control, because the client is ultimately running on player's machine and not on the server. 17:18 specing IhrFussel and in any case, the cat is already out of the box. Players can already download a client that respects their preferences above that of the server 17:43 independent56 /join ##geeks 17:43 independent56 wait wait 17:43 independent56 etf 17:48 independent56 hey 17:48 independent56 (i was testing whether i was still dmming nickserv) 17:52 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: fontengine: Fix crash loading PNG/XML fonts from paths without dot 13e15cae9 https://git.io/JGu1j (152021-06-01T17:47:41Z) 18:11 independent56 is there a worldedit command to update blocks? "//update"? if i worldedit lava, it wont flow. if i move becons, they wont shine. they need to be pdated. 18:15 SoniEx2 any plans to support TLS? 18:19 SoniEx2 (or DTLS as may be the case) 18:23 Noclip[m] !join #guix 18:24 independent56 !join ##geeks 18:24 independent56 nope 18:24 independent56 irc hates me 18:24 rubenwardy /join ##geeks 18:24 rubenwardy with no space before 18:24 rubenwardy you can also just click the channel name, usually 18:25 independent56 yay haha i am stupid 21:03 MTDiscord If I need to add some custom linker flags, do I just append to CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD_LIBRARIES/CMAKE_C_STANDARD_LIBRARIES? Or is there a different option I should use? 21:03 sfan5 cmake_exe_linker_flags 21:03 sfan5 (but uppercase) 21:03 MTDiscord Okay, I see it. Thank you sfan5.