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ungali |
is there an active #minetest there? |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> there is |
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ungali |
might as well take the jump now |
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cheapie |
ungali: There is, yes. |
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ungali |
it |
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ungali |
s a shame though |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> the cycle of things ? |
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<Jonathon> shame libera doesnt bridge to matrix (that i know of) |
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specing |
Would be nice if we also lost the discord bridge in the process |
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Kimapr2 |
why? is the discord bridge bad? |
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cheapie |
specing: I mean... it doesn't seem to be there yet, so there's still hope :P |
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MTDiscord |
<Kimapr> the discord bridge is here |
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specing |
Discord is a proprietary chat network, so it would be hilarious if Minetest were to keep bridging to it after migrating to libera chat because freenode became proprietary |
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specing |
And, it is also funny that all these projects (Minetest included?) that depend on GitHub, a proprietary closed-source social coding network, are migrating to libera chat |
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specing |
My face is red from all the facepalming |
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epoch |
where the like button in this IRC thing? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Apparently freenode became "proprietary" back in 2017 and people just managed to keep it subtle up until lately. |
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Quiark |
specing: now consider all those cryptocurrency projects that have big mouths about "decentralisation" and then use Medium, Telegram and/or Discord |
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specing |
yes, hypocrisy all around |
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specing |
Minetest is not free software |
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specing |
Minetest is free software in license only. |
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specing |
the spirit is dead |
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specing |
if there ever was a spirit, but probably not. |
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Quiark |
I don't blame people for not having time to work for free on something |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> Quiark: >not mentioniung signal |
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Quiark |
No signal never claimed anything about decentralisation |
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Quiark |
But a lot of people are projecting that on them as if it was the solution to all problems. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> shitpost: use iMessage for minetest communications |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> call me a madman but the FSF should've foresaw freenode getting rekt years ago |
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sofar |
FSF isn't relevant for freenode |
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sofar |
and FSF is irrelevant nowadays almost anyway as well |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> re: Discord bridge: 99% chance of staying |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> It's funny seeing people any non-Discord platform complain about Discord, and people on Discord complain about literally any other platform. Funny how people forget that it's ok to have different priorities than each other. |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> *people on |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Personally, I want to move because I like the (previous) Freenode staff and feel that they will have the community's best interests in mind long-term. |
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* twoelk |
is somehow reminded of the childrensbook hero Noddy |
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Zander_200 |
hi |
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benrob0329 |
test |
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BrBridge |
success! |
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BrBridge |
failure! |
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BrBridge |
well, one of the two |
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BrBridge |
No nicks, I'd think that would be a default settings but I suppose not |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329>Test |
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benrob0329 |
Test2 |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329>I forgot the space, but at least it works |
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benrob0329 |
Is Libera giving anyone else trouble at the moment? |
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rubenwardy |
no? |
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benrob0329 |
hmm |
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benrob0329 |
Maybe the server near me is just having issues, or it's my network |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> test |
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benrob0329 |
There we go |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> Discord bridge ignores it (as expected, both should send notices) but I can always add the Discord to this bridge is GreenXenith wants it all to be homogeneous |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> *if |
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rubenwardy |
what is that? |
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benrob0329 |
Bridge to Libera, was suggested and approved by C55 |
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benrob0329 |
(only approved by, was not suggested by C55) |
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benrob0329 |
https://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2021-05-20#i_5821807 |
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benrob0329 |
I haven't added -hub yet because I want to make sure this is working properly before tying it to an account and dealing with autovoice |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> oh, I thought it was for Discord, so it's bridging to the-other-place-that-shalt-not-be-mentioned? eheheh |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> For now, yes. I may add other official spaces to it as well in the near future but for now this is fine |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> cool |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> benrob0329: The Discord bridge doesnt ignore it, its just not bridged here yet |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> It's also down atm, dunno if that's intentional or not |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> It is not intentional, no.. |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> Will the bridge you have work the same as the current bridge? |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> As in send messages to Discord via Webhooks? Yes. |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> its an intense of https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> Can it send to the 3 channels already? |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> I don't have -hub added yet because I don't want to deal with autovoice right this sec, but yes |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> I don't have staff anywhere on IRC anymore so I can't do that without someone like VE lending a hand |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> a |
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GreenXenith |
b |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> c |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> Fair enough |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> We can adjust it later, I dont have time or energy to work with this right now |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> It works and that's all that matters |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> noice |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> wow that was quite a delay ahahah |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> 2 minutes flat :P |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> aaaand we'll get people calling other people BrBridge in addition to MTDiscord :P |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> Now what happened |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> Is it just me or are both bridges choking |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> your messages went through instant to Discord on my end |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> Yeah, after a while |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> and mine as well just went through immediate now |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> I think Libera is choking a bit |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> Cant imagine why :) |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> yeah eheheh |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> Definitely not because of the sudden rush of new people |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> maybe it was just a temp hiccup, now it's quick both ways |
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BrBridge |
<GreenXenith> Oh man I only just now noticed the <BrBridge> <MTDiscord> <entuland> this is getting out of hand, now there are 3 of them :D |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> :P |
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BrBridge |
<VanessaE> [05-20 17:56] <GreenXenith> Oh man I only just now noticed the <BrBridge> <MTDiscord> <entuland> this is getting out of hand, now there are 3 of them :D |
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BrBridge |
<VanessaE> now there are 6 ;) |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> yikes x) |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> Apparently there's a draft IRCv3 RELAYMSG spec for spoofing nicks, dunno if Libera or Freenode supports it though |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> the discord one used to rename itself to match the sender on the other side |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> I guess that's not feasible here on IRC |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> It still does |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> You just have to be speaking from Freenode for it to do so atm |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> on Discord all the messages are sent as BrBridge on my end |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> ah sorry, I missed that bit |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Because BrBridge is the one bridging from Libera to Freenode |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> so anythingon Libera shows up on Freenode from BrBridge so MTDiscord displays it from BrBridge :] |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Dont worry its totally not confusing at all |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> eheheh |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> well, as lont as it doesn't loop it's already great :P |
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BrBridge |
<entuland> s/lont/long |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> Could be worse, I could be bridging joins/parts too :P |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> there's a CTCP for spoofing nicks |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> (please don't use it) |
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MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> do like kaeza's hexchat script does for Minetest IRC bots: <botname> <username> blahblahblah gets shortened to username bot_abbreviation blahblah |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> https://github.com/SoniEx2/CTCP-S/blob/master/ctcp-s.md#forward |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> (please don't use it. altho if you do, put it at the end of the message instead of the start.) |
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MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> er shortened to <usernamebot_abbreviation> blahblah |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> I'm hoping for either the RELAYMSG draft or the Display Name draft to become standard |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> client-only tags > CTCP |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> benrob0329: CTCP > waiting decades for server-side support |
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MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> for example, <KAYLRPVEBL> How are you? is how that person's chat looks coming from my Banananananananaland server |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> (also do either of those half-assed specs actually support nested bridges?) |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> I mean, IRCv3 has gotten decent support for universally helpful things like SASLv3 and Capability Negotiation |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> yeah but it never goes far enough |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> there's no IRCv3 server-specific emoji for example |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> I'd assume that a good bridge would see the intended nick and use that, so theoretically yes they'd support nested bridges |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> no that's bad |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> it should relay the whole chain |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> Also, you're quick to call a draft spec you know nothing about half-assed and start complaining about the progress of something which has helped the state of things and is continuing to make progress |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> I'd rather see IRCv3 fix the basics and make the spec consistent than do what Matrix did and focus on anything but |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> they keep ignoring real-life use-cases because those don't fit neatly in their model, rather than trying to make space for them |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> and there's also the whole "let's just keep sending passwords in plaintext to the server so the server can freely log it, and deprecate everything else while at it" issue |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> What, and what? First, no, that's a generalization (and a poor one at that). Second, sure, but SASL supports other auth mechanisms nowadays too |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> (paraphrasing your own messages) "the draft spec doesn't contain provisions for relaying the whole relay chain with the message" |
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BrBridge |
<luk3yx> There is a channel for IRCv3 discussion, if you had any ideas maybe that'd be the place to send them? |
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<erlehmann> this is bizarre |
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<erlehmann> with the two bridges |
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<erlehmann> <benrob0329> I'd rather see IRCv3 fix the basics and make the spec consistent than do what Matrix did and focus on anything but |
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BrBridge |
<erlehmann> lol |
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BrBridge |
<erlehmann> matrix is hilarious |
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BrBridge |
<erlehmann> matrix has these examples in the spec … that do not match the spec |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> also: if the "other auth mechanisms" are only EXTERNAL... ugh |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> (altho TLS-SRP with EXTERNAL wouldn't be half bad. but that's beside the point.) |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> Send your ideas to #ircv3 then :P |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> But I don't think it's unreasonable to not directly support bridge-chaining, since bridge-chaining is a bit PITA and it's better to support most use cases sanely than every use case insanely. Anyways, I'mma drop this before the channel is completely flooded with offtopic chit-chat |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> "just use a stack .-." |
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BrBridge |
<VanessaE> benrob0329: "flooded with offtopic chit-chat" oh, like there's anything else going on in here? :P |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> anyway sure, if we can get unbanned from IRCv3 we'll propose RFC 7628 support :3 |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> Actually yeah, Oauth for IRC SASL sounds nice |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> VanessaE: That's a good point, I suppose there isn't any on-topic discussion going on right now |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> Also unrelated but kinda related, apparently doing a ctl-z followed by running `bg` lets you move a process to the background in bash |
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BrBridge |
<Soni> yeah ctrl-z is awesome |
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BrBridge |
<benrob0329> I knew it was a thing but wasn't sure of the specifics and didn't want to inadvertently kill the bridge |
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<Lone_Wolf> equivalent of `command & disown` but during runtime? |
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<VanessaE> I usually nohup command & |
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<benrob0329> VE: Well yes, but I didn't for testing initially and don't really care about logs in this case |
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