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IRC log for #minetest, 2021-05-19

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00:00 wsor4035 something like that :P
00:00 AntumDeluge :)
00:02 wsor4035 (not related to approval at all) but https://content.minetest.net/packages/AntumDeluge/server_shop/ what is the point of compared to any other shop mod that provides a admin vendor/admin settings for a vendor?
00:04 AntumDeluge I hadn't come across a shop that I liked, so I just made my own for my kids' server. Submitting it in case others might like it.
00:05 AntumDeluge I believe all other shops that I looked at have a limited inventory as well.
00:05 AntumDeluge Limited as in only a certain number of unique items can be added to the shop.
00:05 MTDiscord <Jonathon> 🤔 heh
00:05 MTDiscord <Jonathon> fair enough
00:06 AntumDeluge But I may be wrong, I didn't examine the other shops super-thoroughly.
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00:19 AntumDeluge Looking over the shop that comes with the currency mod, I'm reminded that I didn't find one that let me set the item I wanted in exchange, or currency, without actually having one in my inventory. But again, I just may not have researched deep enough.
00:21 Sven_vB I'm working on a login manager for MT 5.4.0 on linux. I use --password-file for giving the password. Is there a way to tell MT that I intend to register a new account? The "wrong password" message should change to "Username already in use". If it's available, I'd like to skip the confirm password dialog, or reduce it to an "accept the rules" dialog if necessary.
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02:20 AntumDeluge local foo={bar={}}; core.write_json(foo); -- this outputs '{"bar":null}'. Is there any way to get it to write '{"bar":[]}'?
02:22 AntumDeluge I've tried core.write_json(foo):gsub("\"bar\":null", "\"bar\":[]"), but for some reason it appends a "1" to it.
02:23 AntumDeluge *appends a "1" to the end of the line.
02:27 AntumDeluge Nevermind, I got it figured out by storing it in a local variable first.
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09:00 MTDiscord <VanessaE> ATTENTION  A number of people probably read about the hullabaloo going on with Freenode staff.  including a leaked draft of a resignation letter.  I just learned from Fuchs, it's official now.  resignations incoming.  The "leaked draft"  is no longer a draft.   https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt
09:01 MTDiscord <VanessaE> idk what kind of timetable they're looking at, but there it is.
09:02 Ingar allright time to install my own IRC server
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09:09 MTDiscord <VanessaE> the chat network mentioned at the end of the letter is likely where "Freenode" is going, but it is not publically-accessible yet.  They're still working on it.
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09:52 Ingar VanessaE: it is somewhat ironic though you post those links from Discord ;)
09:53 MTDiscord <VanessaE> heh yeah I suppose
09:53 MTDiscord <VanessaE> I've just come to like DC more than plain IRC, go figure 🙂
09:55 entuland I like'em both but IRC still has its charm <3
09:55 sfan5 hope you have set it's UI to "IRC mode" at least
09:55 sfan5 its'*
09:55 MTDiscord <VanessaE> I do 🙂
09:57 Ingar from a technical point of view, discord aint bad, fixes a numver of IRC's shortcomings
09:57 Ingar on the other hand, it's yet-another-closed-source-chat
09:57 Ingar which will probably die when the next big thing comes along
09:57 Ingar I totally assume discord already sells all their userdata
09:59 MTDiscord <PiMonkey> The amount of stuff nowadays that probably sells data means unless you really try its likely unavoidable xD
10:01 Ingar my biggest issue with discord is the fact it's not an open protocal
10:01 Ingar *protocoal
10:01 Ingar oh well
10:01 Ingar that word
10:01 Ingar (I wish I could crawl back into bed ;) )
10:03 MTDiscord <VanessaE> protocol*
10:04 Ingar thanks!
10:08 luk3yx Oh my
10:09 MTDiscord <VanessaE> you forgot <voice="George Takei">   😛
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12:32 hlqkj has anyone else received that message from -jess- of the freenode staff? i have just joined #freenode and seems like an earthquake is shacking the community, with a possible drastic outcome -- what will be of #minetest and related channels?
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12:33 rubenwardy This is being discussed currently
12:34 sfan5 and don't expect a conclusive answer within hours
12:34 rubenwardy Yeah
12:34 hlqkj oh okay! i don't, was just surprised no one was telling nothing here :)
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12:47 MTDiscord <Kimapr> i also saw it
12:50 jess hey hlqkj, that's me
12:50 hlqkj i see
12:51 hlqkj sorry, i got alarmed probably bc i heard nothing of all this till 20mins ago. seems the thing has been going on for some time now, maybe even already discussed here
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13:41 pgimeno https://kline.sh/
13:45 pgimeno I'm concerned about my data and will be deleting it irrespectively of whether I stay or not
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14:16 pgimeno deleted, but according to https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_461 I'm late to the deletion
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14:17 erlehmann crypto bros ruin fucking everything
14:18 sfan5 pgimeno: even if you had done it yesterday I'd expect account data to still exist in several backups
14:30 erlehmann <Ingar> from a technical point of view, discord aint bad, fixes a numver of IRC's shortcomings
14:30 erlehmann Ingar, https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord
14:30 erlehmann Ingar, discord is hilariously buggy, read that article
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14:39 Ingar erlehmann: I mean, as a concept. evidently it can't be trusted. it is closed source.
14:39 erlehmann Ingar i don't get what is nice as a concept
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14:40 Ingar erlehmann: I can paste images!
14:41 Ingar erlehmann: I've been on IRC for 25 years now, I'll keep using it until someone prys it from my cold dead hands
14:41 erlehmann Ingar well technically it is a link to an image and not only do irc clients support that, but also xmpp has a more privacy friendly version of that
14:44 Ingar erlehmann: tbh, I do run IRC in a screen session on a VPS. No images there
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16:38 Soni riff_IRC: we're moving to libera now
16:38 riff_IRC ok
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16:48 Soni (this "we" includes minetest, incidentally. but yeah we already deleted our nickserv and whatnot.)
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17:12 pgimeno sfan5: doesn't mean the backups are in the hands of the new company
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18:53 specing hi
18:54 specing Are the cheat-client-we-should-not-mention devs contactable via a non-proprietary/closed-source chat (IRC, Matrix, XMPP?)
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18:58 erlehmann specing, for dragonfire it might be EliasFleckenstei – for waspsaliva it is cora
18:58 erlehmann on irc here
18:58 sfan5 you can probably @ them here and tell them to join irc, if they're one discord
18:58 erlehmann i think
18:59 sfan5 (discord bridge)
18:59 erlehmann specing do you have a new cheat?
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19:00 Kelticfox bloody hell, this place still exists
19:00 erlehmann Kelticfox not for long i guess
19:01 Kelticfox hahahaha
19:01 Kelticfox haven't been in here for years
19:01 specing erlehmann, sfan5 : oh, It hadn't occured to me to try to /whois their nicknames in commits
19:01 erlehmann specing, i assume you mean https://github.com/EliasFleckenstein03/dragonfireclient
19:01 specing erlehmann: well, yes and no: I have my own "cheat" client
19:01 erlehmann so have i
19:01 erlehmann but it is pretty basic
19:01 Kelticfox seeing if there is anyone I still know that was here when I had to deal with all the drama
19:01 specing and my own CSMs, but I'm thinking about rebasing upon waspsalive / dfc
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19:16 Sokomine there are still a lot of great servers out there to enjoy :-) so fire up your mt :-)
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19:34 MTDiscord <VanessaE> guys, please move all chat to irc.libera.chat #minetest.
19:34 rubenwardy are we officially doing it now?
19:34 sfan5 it's not even ready
19:34 MTDiscord <VanessaE> sfan5 it's already sorted and working.
19:35 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Do you have logging? And perms? and bots?
19:35 rubenwardy we have ownership of the channels. The staff are still overloaded with requests
19:35 rubenwardy Logging and bots needs sfan to change configs
19:35 MTDiscord <VanessaE> well idk who gets to move the bots 😛
19:37 MTDiscord <VanessaE> (come to think of it, I guess *I* have to move ShadowBot since ShadowNinja is gone as usual
19:38 sfan5 I'd give it at least one more day for things to settle down
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19:41 MTDiscord <VanessaE> ohh ffs, there's too much crap to change to move ShadowBot
19:41 MTDiscord <VanessaE> why does ShadowNinja always have to pick complicated shit.
19:41 MTDiscord <VanessaE> puts it back up for now.
19:41 MTDiscord <VanessaE> let HIM move it.
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19:44 Kelticfox Ah, there's people I know!
19:51 pgimeno I'm working on #xxxx support, when it's ready I'll keep it until ShadowBot is migrated
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23:06 riff-IRC 'ello, any decision re: moving to libera?
23:10 MTDiscord <Jonathon> celeron55 the channels have already been duplicated there so i guess basically you can vote for it by joining there
23:10 MTDiscord <Jonathon> there refering to libera
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23:33 LoneWolfHT I'm not too active here so I figure I'll just make a full switch to Libera to save me the trouble of keeping an eye on the state of things
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