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oil_boi |
is minetest.register_entity written in lua or c++? |
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kaeza |
C++ IIRC, but grep is your friend :) |
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kaeza |
also hi |
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rubenwardy |
It's Lua |
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oil_boi_ |
Hi kaeza |
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oil_boi_ |
wait what |
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oil_boi |
hm |
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oil_boi |
it's lua |
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oil_boi |
IT'S A MIRACLE |
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SoylentCow |
lua is pretty @#$%^&* sweet |
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MinetestBot |
[git] MoNTE48 -> minetest/minetest: Android: fix TMPFolder path (#10052) a2199bf https://git.io/JfbK2 (2020-06-20T10:06:30Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Add warning when disabling secure.enable_security (#9943) 0f1f8e4 https://git.io/JfbXT (2020-06-20T12:21:38Z) |
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[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Android: Fix asset upgrade by renaming license file (#10073) e99415e https://git.io/JfbMf (2020-06-20T13:52:24Z) |
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frabbit |
hey people of nodes =) |
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frabbit |
whats that all about this "Final Minetest"? |
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frabbit |
some guy who forked mt and now maintaining it alone? |
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kb1000 |
uhh... not really IIRC. just make sure not to run it... |
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frabbit |
if someone not knowing what im talking about: https://minetest.org/ |
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frabbit |
kb1000: ok what then? |
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frabbit |
is that maleware? |
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kb1000 |
from what I heard on the unofficial Minetest discord, yes. |
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frabbit |
o_0 |
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frabbit |
is there any warning on minetest.net ? |
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frabbit |
if not, it should be... |
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frabbit |
cause inattentive people could confound minetest.net and minetest.org |
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frabbit |
also would be good to claim such domains |
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frabbit |
minetest.org minetest.com and so on |
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rubenwardy |
We sought advice about this, and the response was to not post a warning |
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appguru |
"Final Minetest" is a scam ran by OldCoder. It is frowned upon by The Minetest Project (the official Minetest). |
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rubenwardy |
It legitimacies it by acknowledging it |
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rubenwardy |
I'm not sure if it's malware, but the author is unsavoury. We banned him 3 years ago for his behaviour |
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frabbit |
rubenwardy: isee |
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frabbit |
*i see |
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appguru |
It is a scam either way |
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rubenwardy |
Seizing a domain requires $1000 and a trademark |
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frabbit |
appguru: yeah probably |
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frabbit |
rubenwardy: oh... =( |
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appguru |
Both of which we don't have :P |
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frabbit |
https://minetest.org/notices.html -> 3. About OldCoder. |
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frabbit |
espacially: Jobs have included: |
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frabbit |
doesnt sound likable what this guy did... |
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frabbit |
* Fighter Jet software. Google for Northrop Grumman MILES Project. |
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frabbit |
imho bad to do such things but even worse to be proud of it... |
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kb1000 |
sounds very possible that it's not even true tho |
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frabbit |
kb1000: dunno. maybe it isnt but to me a person who writes that proud of coding for the "war machine" isnt a good person |
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frabbit |
even if its a lie |
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appguru |
there is not much wrong with implementing software for use in war |
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frabbit |
appguru: thats yout pov not mine |
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frabbit |
war is bad. always. everywhere. |
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frabbit |
*your |
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appguru |
bullshit is bad too |
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frabbit |
but anyway oft |
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appguru |
massive overgeneralization |
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frabbit |
no bullshit is good to let plants grow =P |
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appguru |
Also skilled does not imply sane |
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frabbit |
what? |
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frabbit |
who are you talking about? |
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frabbit |
anyway not want to waste time with you, just wanted to know whats that "final minetest" |
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kb1000 |
nothing you should ever use. |
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FeXoR1 |
Hi everybody and a big thanks for the developers working on Minetest ;) |
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leo_rockway |
hello |
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FeXoR1 |
Can anyone give me information about what https://minetest.org/features.html is ? Is it a fork? Where is the full source? What's the history leading to this? Thanks in advance ;) |
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leo_rockway |
FeXoR1: I didn't know about it before today, but somebody asked this literally a few hours ago: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2020-06-20 |
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appguru |
FeXoR1: It's a scam. |
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Krock |
FeXoR1: ignore and use .net |
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FeXoR1 |
Yes, I will not use it for now. No I don't agree it has to be a scam. Not at all will I ignore it. Where is the full source? |
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FeXoR1 |
AFAICT there is only the engine source provided. Isn't that violating GPL? |
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leo_rockway |
FeXoR1: from what I can see, yes. However, who's going to sue to enforce it? |
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appguru |
minetest.org is a scam for the very fact that it claims to be the real and "final" Minetest while it clearly is a fork |
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FeXoR1 |
(I am part of the 0 A.D. team and we had similar issues with forks not providing access to the code. I do not like that at all.) |
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appguru |
minetest.org indisputably is a scam, claiming to be official |
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leo_rockway |
FeXoR1: I should try 0 A.D. again. It's been literally years since the last time I tried it and it was looking real good even years ago. |
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Krock |
0 A.D.? nice :D |
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Krock |
played it a few times using AoE 2 strategies, but didn't turn out to work so well |
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FeXoR1 |
"final" is just a word, appguru. I think it's a sign of arrogance and misleading,, yes. But if it works it is a fork with an arrogant name ;) |
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FeXoR1 |
Well, we try Krock ;) |
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appguru |
"just a fork with an arrogant name" is an extreme understatement FeXoR1 |
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appguru |
OldCoder went well beyond arrogance with minetest.org |
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sfan5 |
The person who runs the fork is an ex community member who had been removed for stalking and harassing developers and other community members. |
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sfan5 |
This includes threats to contact relatives or employers with false claims and publicly posting personal information, so the suggestion to stay away doesn't come from nowhere. |
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rubenwardy |
He actually contacted my employer |
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FeXoR1 |
Sounds like wise steps where taken by the minetest team to me, sfan5 ;) |
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leo_rockway |
rubenwardy: holy crap. |
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FeXoR1 |
...yes, who will sue him... In Germany there's the Chaos Computer Club that could provide affordable legal help. But, yes, its effort that could be used on coding and maybe not so easy to gather the evidence. Not sure. I'm not a big fan of suing anyways but I don't like breaking GPL either :/ |
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rubenwardy |
The US has bad libel laws, which makes it hard to sue |
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leo_rockway |
rubenwardy: he could be sued for license violation. Although any lawyer would try to avoid suing and would just request that he complies, I'm guessing. |
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leo_rockway |
some of the core devs could reach out to the EFF if this is a legitimate concern: https://www.eff.org/pages/legal-assistance |
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rubenwardy |
I don't think he's violating the license, unless there's something against pretending to be official. The main issue is with his conduct |
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leo_rockway |
rubenwardy: if he's distributing mods that are GPLd and he's not providing the source code, he's violating the license. |
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leo_rockway |
he has a git repo with the engine code, but I don't see anything for mods. |
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rubenwardy |
He has to provide the source code to distribute the mods |
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leo_rockway |
oh, Lua is interpreted, right. |
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leo_rockway |
nevermind then. |
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rubenwardy |
Source code doesn't need to be provided using git, it can be in a zip archive |
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Krock |
well, you must also provide a changelog |
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Krock |
git does that automatically |
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FeXoR1 |
Well if everything he doesn't provide is interpreted I guess he doesn't violate the GPL, yes. I don't know what in that "build kid". That's why I came here to ask ;) |
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appguru |
Didn't sofar try suing him or something? |
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FeXoR1 |
Well, on to MinersWorld. Happy mining, crafting and building to you all ;) |
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Krock |
yeah.. building the engine source currently |
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rubenwardy |
Android makes all building 10x longer |
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Krock |
So on a Pentium D 3xx, that would take ~400 minutes |
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sfan5 |
rubenwardy: did you ever finish testing the raspberry pi build I gave you regarding playability? |
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rubenwardy |
I did |
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SimpleIRC_k79Oq |
hi |
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rubenwardy |
With the OpenGL es, I got 5-10 FPS |
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rubenwardy |
I didn't get much further than that |
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sfan5 |
hm that's not very playable |
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rubenwardy |
RPi 4 has an iGPU |
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rubenwardy |
So would be better |
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rubenwardy |
RPi 3 uses a software GPU iirc |
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sfan5 |
huh? I'm sure all of them have a gpu |
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sfan5 |
maybe the model 4 has a better one |
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sfan5 |
changing the graphics settings around would probably help getting more fps |
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Calinou |
yeah, the RPi4 has a better, Vulkan + GLES3-capable GPU |
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Calinou |
the RPi3 has an unofficial Vulkan driver in the works too |
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Calinou |
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RPi-VK-Driver |
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leo_rockway |
a new RPi4 came out recently. 8GB of RAM. |
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Krock |
but Minetest only uses OpenGL |
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sfan5 |
not if you compile with with the Irrlicht OpenGL ES port |
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Krock |
well, but does OpenGL ES profit from Vulkan? |
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Krock |
nvm. > GLES3-capable GPU |
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sfan5 |
if you for some reason only have vulkan I think there's a project that implement GLES on top of vulkan |
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sfan5 |
but in practice you have GL or GLES anyway |
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SoylentCow |
you know what hard is? to suppress a violent rage when someone starts tuba denial tune on xoylent |
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SoylentCow |
mt |
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