Time Nick Message 00:09 oil_boi is minetest.register_entity written in lua or c++? 00:13 kaeza C++ IIRC, but grep is your friend :) 00:13 kaeza also hi 00:42 rubenwardy It's Lua 00:56 oil_boi_ Hi kaeza 00:56 oil_boi_ wait what 00:57 oil_boi hm 00:57 oil_boi it's lua 00:57 oil_boi IT'S A MIRACLE 05:38 SoylentCow lua is pretty @#$%^&* sweet 10:06 MinetestBot 02[git] 04MoNTE48 -> 03minetest/minetest: Android: fix TMPFolder path (#10052) 13a2199bf https://git.io/JfbK2 (152020-06-20T10:06:30Z) 12:23 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Add warning when disabling secure.enable_security (#9943) 130f1f8e4 https://git.io/JfbXT (152020-06-20T12:21:38Z) 13:52 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Android: Fix asset upgrade by renaming license file (#10073) 13e99415e https://git.io/JfbMf (152020-06-20T13:52:24Z) 15:30 frabbit hey people of nodes =) 15:30 frabbit whats that all about this "Final Minetest"? 15:31 frabbit some guy who forked mt and now maintaining it alone? 15:33 kb1000 uhh... not really IIRC. just make sure not to run it... 15:34 frabbit if someone not knowing what im talking about: https://minetest.org/ 15:34 frabbit kb1000: ok what then? 15:34 frabbit is that maleware? 15:34 kb1000 from what I heard on the unofficial Minetest discord, yes. 15:35 frabbit o_0 15:35 frabbit is there any warning on minetest.net ? 15:35 frabbit if not, it should be... 15:36 frabbit cause inattentive people could confound minetest.net and minetest.org 15:36 frabbit also would be good to claim such domains 15:36 frabbit minetest.org minetest.com and so on 15:37 rubenwardy We sought advice about this, and the response was to not post a warning 15:37 appguru "Final Minetest" is a scam ran by OldCoder. It is frowned upon by The Minetest Project (the official Minetest). 15:37 rubenwardy It legitimacies it by acknowledging it 15:37 rubenwardy I'm not sure if it's malware, but the author is unsavoury. We banned him 3 years ago for his behaviour 15:38 frabbit rubenwardy: isee 15:38 frabbit *i see 15:38 appguru It is a scam either way 15:38 rubenwardy Seizing a domain requires $1000 and a trademark 15:38 frabbit appguru: yeah probably 15:38 frabbit rubenwardy: oh... =( 15:39 appguru Both of which we don't have :P 15:40 frabbit https://minetest.org/notices.html -> 3. About OldCoder. 15:40 frabbit espacially: Jobs have included: 15:41 frabbit doesnt sound likable what this guy did... 15:41 frabbit * Fighter Jet software. Google for Northrop Grumman MILES Project. 15:42 frabbit imho bad to do such things but even worse to be proud of it... 15:42 kb1000 sounds very possible that it's not even true tho 15:43 frabbit kb1000: dunno. maybe it isnt but to me a person who writes that proud of coding for the "war machine" isnt a good person 15:43 frabbit even if its a lie 15:43 appguru there is not much wrong with implementing software for use in war 15:44 frabbit appguru: thats yout pov not mine 15:44 frabbit war is bad. always. everywhere. 15:44 frabbit *your 15:44 appguru bullshit is bad too 15:44 frabbit but anyway oft 15:44 appguru massive overgeneralization 15:44 frabbit no bullshit is good to let plants grow =P 15:46 appguru Also skilled does not imply sane 15:46 frabbit what? 15:47 frabbit who are you talking about? 15:48 frabbit anyway not want to waste time with you, just wanted to know whats that "final minetest" 15:56 kb1000 nothing you should ever use. 17:18 FeXoR1 Hi everybody and a big thanks for the developers working on Minetest ;) 17:19 leo_rockway hello 17:20 FeXoR1 Can anyone give me information about what https://minetest.org/features.html is ? Is it a fork? Where is the full source? What's the history leading to this? Thanks in advance ;) 17:21 leo_rockway FeXoR1: I didn't know about it before today, but somebody asked this literally a few hours ago: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2020-06-20 17:25 appguru FeXoR1: It's a scam. 17:26 Krock FeXoR1: ignore and use .net 17:28 FeXoR1 Yes, I will not use it for now. No I don't agree it has to be a scam. Not at all will I ignore it. Where is the full source? 17:28 FeXoR1 AFAICT there is only the engine source provided. Isn't that violating GPL? 17:29 leo_rockway FeXoR1: from what I can see, yes. However, who's going to sue to enforce it? 17:29 appguru minetest.org is a scam for the very fact that it claims to be the real and "final" Minetest while it clearly is a fork 17:30 FeXoR1 (I am part of the 0 A.D. team and we had similar issues with forks not providing access to the code. I do not like that at all.) 17:30 appguru minetest.org indisputably is a scam, claiming to be official 17:30 leo_rockway FeXoR1: I should try 0 A.D. again. It's been literally years since the last time I tried it and it was looking real good even years ago. 17:30 Krock 0 A.D.? nice :D 17:31 Krock played it a few times using AoE 2 strategies, but didn't turn out to work so well 17:32 FeXoR1 "final" is just a word, appguru. I think it's a sign of arrogance and misleading,, yes. But if it works it is a fork with an arrogant name ;) 17:33 FeXoR1 Well, we try Krock ;) 17:33 appguru "just a fork with an arrogant name" is an extreme understatement FeXoR1 17:33 appguru OldCoder went well beyond arrogance with minetest.org 17:33 sfan5 The person who runs the fork is an ex community member who had been removed for stalking and harassing developers and other community members. 17:34 sfan5 This includes threats to contact relatives or employers with false claims and publicly posting personal information, so the suggestion to stay away doesn't come from nowhere. 17:35 rubenwardy He actually contacted my employer 17:36 FeXoR1 Sounds like wise steps where taken by the minetest team to me, sfan5 ;) 17:39 leo_rockway rubenwardy: holy crap. 17:41 FeXoR1 ...yes, who will sue him... In Germany there's the Chaos Computer Club that could provide affordable legal help. But, yes, its effort that could be used on coding and maybe not so easy to gather the evidence. Not sure. I'm not a big fan of suing anyways but I don't like breaking GPL either :/ 17:41 rubenwardy The US has bad libel laws, which makes it hard to sue 17:42 leo_rockway rubenwardy: he could be sued for license violation. Although any lawyer would try to avoid suing and would just request that he complies, I'm guessing. 17:43 leo_rockway some of the core devs could reach out to the EFF if this is a legitimate concern: https://www.eff.org/pages/legal-assistance 17:44 rubenwardy I don't think he's violating the license, unless there's something against pretending to be official. The main issue is with his conduct 17:45 leo_rockway rubenwardy: if he's distributing mods that are GPLd and he's not providing the source code, he's violating the license. 17:45 leo_rockway he has a git repo with the engine code, but I don't see anything for mods. 17:45 rubenwardy He has to provide the source code to distribute the mods 17:45 leo_rockway oh, Lua is interpreted, right. 17:45 leo_rockway nevermind then. 17:45 rubenwardy Source code doesn't need to be provided using git, it can be in a zip archive 17:46 Krock well, you must also provide a changelog 17:46 Krock git does that automatically 17:50 FeXoR1 Well if everything he doesn't provide is interpreted I guess he doesn't violate the GPL, yes. I don't know what in that "build kid". That's why I came here to ask ;) 17:51 appguru Didn't sofar try suing him or something? 17:52 FeXoR1 Well, on to MinersWorld. Happy mining, crafting and building to you all ;) 17:53 Krock yeah.. building the engine source currently 17:53 rubenwardy Android makes all building 10x longer 17:55 Krock So on a Pentium D 3xx, that would take ~400 minutes 18:09 sfan5 rubenwardy: did you ever finish testing the raspberry pi build I gave you regarding playability? 18:20 rubenwardy I did 18:20 SimpleIRC_k79Oq hi 18:20 rubenwardy With the OpenGL es, I got 5-10 FPS 18:21 rubenwardy I didn't get much further than that 18:22 sfan5 hm that's not very playable 18:30 rubenwardy RPi 4 has an iGPU 18:30 rubenwardy So would be better 18:30 rubenwardy RPi 3 uses a software GPU iirc 18:30 sfan5 huh? I'm sure all of them have a gpu 18:30 sfan5 maybe the model 4 has a better one 18:30 sfan5 changing the graphics settings around would probably help getting more fps 19:20 Calinou yeah, the RPi4 has a better, Vulkan + GLES3-capable GPU 19:20 Calinou the RPi3 has an unofficial Vulkan driver in the works too 19:20 Calinou https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RPi-VK-Driver 19:25 leo_rockway a new RPi4 came out recently. 8GB of RAM. 19:31 Krock but Minetest only uses OpenGL 19:37 sfan5 not if you compile with with the Irrlicht OpenGL ES port 19:44 Krock well, but does OpenGL ES profit from Vulkan? 19:44 Krock nvm. > GLES3-capable GPU 19:45 sfan5 if you for some reason only have vulkan I think there's a project that implement GLES on top of vulkan 19:45 sfan5 but in practice you have GL or GLES anyway 19:52 SoylentCow you know what hard is? to suppress a violent rage when someone starts tuba denial tune on xoylent 19:52 SoylentCow mt