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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Remove Mapgen V7 floatland biome code 150122b https://git.io/Je58N (2019-12-18T23:59:45Z) |
| 00:00 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: Aw thanks for willing to be open for that but I based on my course at college for C# I nearly didn't even get a C in that course because how stumped I was even though I gotten the "logistics" as I was horrible at the "actual coding" part. :( Aw how nice, would you be able to help me actually properly set this up on the Linux Mint? |
| 00:01 |
Exe_Virus |
yeah, the idea is it will be a github project, the read.me should be self explainatory. Hopefully it's only a few lines of command line |
| 00:03 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: seems good to me, thanks you so much for willing to be committed into helping with whatyou can with my situations. :) |
| 00:07 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: are you still there? |
| 00:08 |
Exe_Virus |
yes |
| 00:08 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: aw thanks for assuring me that, are you okay with IMs or what not? |
| 00:09 |
Exe_Virus |
Here, yes. But I'm not normally on IRC. I live in Discord |
| 00:10 |
ronsor |
I used to use IRC all the time. |
| 00:10 |
ronsor |
Then Discord came and all my friends left IRC. |
| 00:10 |
ronsor |
Now I use Discord too. |
| 00:10 |
Exe_Virus |
yep :) |
| 00:10 |
Exe_Virus |
It's okay though, Both work |
| 00:11 |
Exe_Virus |
Wait! |
| 00:12 |
Exe_Virus |
Friendly |
| 00:12 |
Exe_Virus |
what if I just made a client side mod that made chat really large in it's own box? Something you pull up with a hotkey or similar |
| 00:12 |
Exe_Virus |
Rather than a text-to-speech? (reason is it sounds horrible....) |
| 00:15 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: Arragh! I hate this, I cannot even be with you on Discord even though I want to because of their incompetent to make their web services resilent to re zooming since somehow I "broke it" and it's persistent. I am almost ready to cry. :( |
| 00:15 |
Exe_Virus |
Wait, their web services? |
| 00:16 |
Exe_Virus |
Are you on chrome or firefox? |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: Yes the discordapp.com one and chrome based (Brave) but that's was the issue it's was when I exited Minetest's with the resolution tweaks I mentioned then I rezoomed my "normal" display and there discord just broke on me and "forever". :( |
| 00:18 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
I cannot seems to revert this, with reloading, F5 reloading and even restarting my entire system. |
| 00:18 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
NOTHING works! |
| 00:18 |
Exe_Virus |
I don't believe the forever part. Is it just for discord.com? |
| 00:19 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: I checked two days after it happened and it's still didn't readjust itself and yes that is correct |
| 00:19 |
Exe_Virus |
Okay, and you are stuck zoomed in? |
| 00:19 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
That what I meant by "forever" |
| 00:19 |
Exe_Virus |
or stuck zoomed out? |
| 00:19 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: zoomed out by a long shot. Everything looks like ants to me. |
| 00:20 |
Exe_Virus |
gotcha. Try ctrl + "0" |
| 00:20 |
Exe_Virus |
that should reset zoom |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: Thanks goodness, thanks you for teaching me! |
| 00:21 |
Exe_Virus |
Of course, did that work? |
| 00:22 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: Yup as it was before! Now that's fixed and I know how to fix myself in the future what's yours so I could "add you"? |
| 00:23 |
Exe_Virus |
exe_virus#4413 |
| 00:26 |
Exe_Virus |
Why Doesn't Minetest have a Discord? |
| 00:27 |
Exe_Virus |
specifically a mod and development one |
| 00:28 |
ronsor |
because Discord is proprietary freeware |
| 00:29 |
ronsor |
Minetest also existed before Discord became relevant |
| 00:30 |
Exe_Virus |
Both true. |
| 00:30 |
Exe_Virus |
But* |
| 00:30 |
Exe_Virus |
It's much much easier to get people to be organized through discord chat (which is where a lot of the gamers and moders for minetest are) |
| 00:31 |
Exe_Virus |
If there is an official Minetest Discord, they would all help answer questions and ask questions there |
| 00:32 |
ronsor |
the expression `ideology > practicality` applies in this particular case |
| 00:32 |
ronsor |
I got real pissed that Discord killed IRC |
| 00:32 |
Exe_Virus |
Ah |
| 00:32 |
ronsor |
now I'm working to replace Discord haha |
| 00:32 |
Exe_Virus |
that makes sense |
| 00:33 |
Exe_Virus |
Well create a decent IRC app for android that is free with voice chat and TTS, and we will talk more |
| 00:33 |
Exe_Virus |
Luckily, they seem against ads so far. |
| 00:36 |
ronsor |
Exe_Virus: It's Discord-compatible |
| 00:36 |
ronsor |
I'm reimplementing the entire Discord API |
| 00:36 |
Exe_Virus |
Okay then. You alone? Github project? |
| 00:36 |
Exe_Virus |
Gitlab* |
| 00:37 |
ronsor |
it's not OSS |
| 00:37 |
ronsor |
I may open source it at release |
| 00:37 |
ronsor |
I'm writing it in Go alone |
| 00:37 |
Exe_Virus |
Why not during development? |
| 00:37 |
ronsor |
it only supports direct messages currently |
| 00:37 |
ronsor |
Exe_Virus: I may just launch my own competitor and market it |
| 00:37 |
Exe_Virus |
Gotcha |
| 00:37 |
Exe_Virus |
Well when they break down and try ads, that's your chance ;) |
| 00:45 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
ronsor: you can still make money doing OSS, like Matrix for example. If you could make the cost per user considerably cheaper for example then people would pay for "professional" hosting. Like $5/month for 25 users would be attractive to me. |
| 00:46 |
ronsor |
the whole point of discord is its centralization |
| 00:46 |
ronsor |
everyone is in one place and joining is one click away |
| 00:49 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
ronsor: I am confused on how my idea would tamper with that. Since I just mentioned about paid hosting services just for your OSS software. |
| 00:51 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
And making it cheap enough to make sense for most people. A dollar a user is insane but if you can deliver your obviously superior OSS AND stashed the pricing of Matrix, I think you would be in the zone of pleasing everything and your wallet. :) |
| 00:52 |
ronsor |
the problem is with Discord I'm competing with free |
| 00:52 |
ronsor |
which means I'll be offering free accounts |
| 00:52 |
ronsor |
my competition point will be features |
| 00:52 |
ronsor |
I could offer an Enterprise™ package I guess |
| 00:53 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
ronsor: Exactly if you can make the features outweighs what's offered on Discord for free )remenber Discord is techically Freemium not Freeware) then you can entice people and/or server admins to pay. |
| 00:55 |
ronsor |
I'll be offering Freemium accounts too |
| 00:56 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
ronsor: Ahh I gotcha, I thought you were unsure on how to go about things in general and not just OSS and non OSS. I guess I got confused sorry. :( |
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swift110 |
hey all |
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| 02:21 |
caleb5 |
greetings I read on the minetest forums about trademark disputes between .net and .org |
| 02:21 |
caleb5 |
can somebody here help clarify and explain the history? PM is fine |
| 02:23 |
FriendlyPerson01 |
swift110: Aw, hi there. Sorry I didn't say anything I was away having dinner and such. :( |
| 02:25 |
swift110 |
how r u FriendlyPerson01 |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
swift110: I am sorry but apparently I was logged out for some reason. I have hopefully fixed this. |
| 02:31 |
swift110 |
oh ok |
| 02:32 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
swift110: Aw thanks for being understanding of me. :) |
| 02:33 |
swift110 |
sure |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
swift110: so since i had to log back in, I am doing better now that someone here cares to be my friend and willing to see what they can do about the situations in regards of the game's play abilities for me. Since I am deaf and blind. |
| 02:55 |
caleb5 |
can anyone clarify about the minetest trademark dispute? |
| 02:56 |
Exe_Virus |
I tried searching for info on it. Sorry I cannot help you caleb5 |
| 02:56 |
Exe_Virus |
My guess, is that Minetest.net won out, because minetest.org calls their (game) final minetest |
| 02:57 |
caleb5 |
ah thanks Exe_Virus |
| 02:58 |
caleb5 |
I was looking at this post: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18946 |
| 03:00 |
swift110 |
hey Exe_Virus |
| 03:00 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
caleb5: my new friend is correct because typically it's WHEN the domain was in one hand and was put into production. |
| 03:02 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
caleb5: So if a domain was in one hand for 10 years and it was in production for 9 it would beat anyone elses that is lesser than those ASSUMING it was maintained the whole time. |
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Exe_Virus |
Also, don't worry about the trademark thing. All that would happen is we would migrate all the open source code to a new, now trademarked name. |
| 03:03 |
Exe_Virus |
That doesn't suck |
| 03:03 |
Exe_Virus |
MineEngine |
| 03:03 |
Exe_Virus |
would be better imo |
| 03:03 |
Exe_Virus |
And Minegame would be good tooo |
| 03:03 |
swift110 |
hmm |
| 03:03 |
Exe_Virus |
Anything but fricken Minetest |
| 03:04 |
caleb5 |
oic |
| 03:04 |
caleb5 |
was there a fight |
| 03:04 |
Exe_Virus |
Not really, don't think anything came of it |
| 03:05 |
Exe_Virus |
All of the code and assets are GPL so there's nothing that can be done to really shut down the project |
| 03:06 |
Exe_Virus |
Lol, just do a Giant Find and Replace where "minetest" and "Minetest" are changed to a new name and we are all good :) |
| 03:06 |
swift110 |
lol |
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caleb5 |
i just find it confusing why there are two domains .net and .org and why there is a trademark dispute |
| 03:33 |
caleb5 |
would be nice if someone could shed some light into what is going on with the fellow named OldCoder |
| 03:34 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
caleb5: It's not you it's how domains works in general. Because a domain is a separate part of the web you cannot as a business "claim them all" just because they are as your branding. You could even get google.bikes and sell bikes on it just fine. Or get a coke.rocks and sell rocks on there and be fine. |
| 03:35 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
The only situations where it's NOT if there a dispute where squatting and etc occurs. But usually there other violations involved. |
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caleb5 |
FriendlyPerson18: ah. what about OldCoder |
| 03:50 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
caleb5: I am sorry but I am not familiar with that person specifically. However the basic premises is that it's depends upon on their true intentions. |
| 03:51 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Like if they were intentionally were to try to belittle the trademarking, squat the domain and/or etc then it's possible that person was in the wrong. |
| 03:52 |
caleb5 |
it seems like its an old fight between oldcoder and the minetest team that has been going on for many years |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
caleb5: How's childish for sure. :( It's sounds frustrating for usre. |
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Pie-jacker875 |
hey my map.sqlite is 1.8 GiB and I have still not found any savanna shore biome. how unlucky am I? |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Pie-jacker875: Your not the only one, a 2.5GB server world here so I just "cheated" and grew papyrus for the server. It's one thing to impose challenges but it's another if your burning disks... |
| 04:53 |
Pie-jacker875 |
would it be possible for the game to change so that papyrus grow in normal savannas when there's a river? |
| 04:54 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Pie-jacker875: I would want that too honesty. Or another challenge that makes sense. |
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Pie-jacker875 |
I have the technic mod so I kind of need paper. at least I can make it with hemp, but that's tedious |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Pie-jacker875: I understand that's an option if your REALLY not up to cheating one in... Honestly I wouldn't care if you did. |
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Pie-jacker875 |
I might just build a machine that automates or nearly automates paper production from hemp lol |
| 05:01 |
Pie-jacker875 |
I might also consider hacking the recipe so that it can use water cans, not just water buckets |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Pie-jacker875: that's not hacking in my opinion that's more like mod intergation. Anywho why is my IRC client keep on killing itself? |
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Pie-jacker875 |
yaaay I hit the 2 GiB milestone |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Pie-jacker875: :( |
| 05:16 |
Pie-jacker875 |
I've also consumed 150 bowls of potato salad |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Pie-jacker875: What's a load indeed, are you going to be okay? I don't want you to get so frustrated, bent out of shape and such just trying to find one of those stupid things. |
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Pie-jacker875 |
well I only had 4 stacks of potato salad in my inventory when I started, so I'm gonna have to calli t quits eventually |
| 05:22 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Pie-jacker875: Please do take care of yourself though. After all it's why your playing the game right? What's the point of playing if your more than likely trying to take a load off of college/work/schoole right? |
| 05:23 |
Pie-jacker875 |
I'm gonna go to bed as soon as this second stack runs out |
| 05:31 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
Pie-jacker875: Seems good, you sleep tight when you do and hope things goes well for you. :) |
| 05:32 |
Pie-jacker875 |
I just found some desert big hill that looked like it went above y=130 |
| 05:39 |
Pie-jacker875 |
just found a lava bucket in a ruins chest |
| 05:39 |
Pie-jacker875 |
I also find lava to be extremely rare so I'll take that |
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Pie-jacker875 |
lmao if you turn on pitch mode movement, look 45 degrees downwards and hold space while swimming, I can move faster than the server allows me to |
| 05:50 |
Pie-jacker875 |
that might just be because I have a sprinting mod and I set the movement speed to be faster than default |
| 05:51 |
Pie-jacker875 |
but my console is spammed with Dec 18 23:17:26 piejacker minetestserver[1027]: 2019-12-18 23:17:26: ACTION[Server]: Player Pie-jacker875 moved too fast; resetting position |
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fluxflux_ |
Pie-jacker875: there was a recent change to minetest_game to make papyrus also spawn in rainforest swamp biomes |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: My server is based on the 5.1.0 release and two of us in total for two days plus me myself or ANOTHER two days couldn't find any papryus at all. The total map size was like 2.2GB when I said "umm... Why don't just call it a day and just cheat one in..." |
| 06:47 |
fluxflux_ |
that's fair |
| 06:47 |
fluxflux_ |
this comment lists the difficulty in finding papyrus as its motivation |
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fluxflux_ |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/5b1875ef418163cc8e663a592f2995d0cdf66faf |
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fluxflux_ |
this is a post 5.1.0 commit |
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fluxflux_ |
the server i manage has papyrus in a "public farm" along w/ a lot of other crop-type resources, cuz finding them can be tricky, especially on servers that have already been picked over |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: Ahh gotcha and aw how cool. Are you managing a public one or just one for friends or someting? |
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fluxflux_ |
Blocky Survival, one of the bigger 5.0+ servers |
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fluxflux_ |
it's not my server, i'm just the most active admin |
| 06:52 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: Ahh I see system or just in game "admin" rank? |
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fluxflux_ |
i've also got the ability to install/update mods and change server configuration |
| 06:53 |
fluxflux_ |
but i don't have control over everything on the system |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: Ahh so basically you can control the game server but nothing else right? |
| 06:54 |
fluxflux_ |
yup, pretty much. can't fiddle w/ the binaries or the copy of minetest_game we have, or the launch scrips, but i've got write access to pretty much everything else gamewise |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: Ahh I see, so you people are like a team where the responsibles are splitted so if you discovered a serious issue that a "higher up" needs to deal with you toss it up thee and they do it? |
| 06:55 |
fluxflux_ |
yup |
| 06:56 |
fluxflux_ |
i wouldn't call us organized enough to really be a "team" |
| 06:56 |
fluxflux_ |
but it's sort of like that |
| 06:56 |
fluxflux_ |
i just ended up w/ the job i have cuz i was interested and kept submitting fixes for the mods we were using |
| 06:57 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: How nice and gotcha. I am always curious about how med/larger servers do things. Are you aware on how you people scaled "staffing" wise? Or it is very imformal like Discord apps and such? |
| 06:58 |
fluxflux_ |
how we "scaled"? |
| 06:58 |
fluxflux_ |
i dunno, the server was super popular in the 0.4.17 days, it hasn't ever been that popular since i've been an admin |
| 06:59 |
fluxflux_ |
the server owner/founder lost a lot of interest in the game and has been working on other projects, but still kind of guides the feel of the server. |
| 06:59 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: Ahh I see gotcha. Are you aware on how the bills are able to be paid or no idea on that aspect either? |
| 06:59 |
fluxflux_ |
i don't think we really react to scale. it's more like, when people come along that want to volunteer, we rejoice. and eventually they usually move on to other things |
| 07:00 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: I see |
| 07:00 |
fluxflux_ |
i think we exist out of the kindness of a third party, who i don't think does much w/ the game itself. but the guy who rents the server, and our server founder and the other admins, seem to be close friends. i a bit outside that circle |
| 07:00 |
fluxflux_ |
sorry, trying to avoid names and it's getting confusing. not sure why i'm avoiding names exactly |
| 07:01 |
fluxflux_ |
probably cuz i'd ping people by mentioning their names here =b |
| 07:04 |
FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: Aw how nice I never knew that friends can be that generous online. It's nice to see that such people exists on a recurring basis. Your okay you done nothing wrong, you just trying to look out for everyone. Remember it's just a chat not a race. So please take your time and take a moment to relax if your mind needs it. I wouldn't like for you to get overwhelm. :( |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: I am off to bed now, please do take care of yourself. You were such a wonderful person to talk to and willing to be open to me. :) |
| 07:22 |
fluxflux_ |
g'night FriendlyPerson18 |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
fluxflux_: Aw thanks, you too such kind and caring peson. :) |
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Quiark |
always interesting to see dynamics of large servers in open games like this |
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fluxflux_ |
my observation, is that the most popular servers tend to have a couple of competent developers managing things: fixing bugs, writing compatibility code for the various mods, tuning server/client performance, and creating unique content for the server |
| 08:26 |
Quiark |
makes sense ... but what do they get out of that work? advertising? |
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ANAND |
Self-satisfaction, perhaps? |
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fluxflux_ |
i don't think any of them get paid, if that's what you mean. but people like to have hobbies |
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fluxflux_ |
people like to make a place for other people to play and create a community |
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fluxflux_ |
depending on how serious your contributions, you might be able to get away w/ including it on a resume |
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Quiark |
right .. fixing integration bugs between mods sounds pretty tedious |
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rubenwardy |
caleb5: there's no fight between us and oldcoder. Oldcoder was banned for foul behaviour, and he has continued that foul behaviour |
| 11:48 |
caleb5 |
ah |
| 11:49 |
caleb5 |
Did the minetest team ever respond to https://fiercefibers.org/misc/190912-freenode.pdf ? |
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sfan5 |
I haven't read that but it's probably all the same wild accusations |
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sfan5 |
there is no point in responding really |
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rubenwardy |
Responding would only legitimise it |
| 11:51 |
rubenwardy |
It's fabricated nonsense from an unstable man |
| 11:55 |
rubenwardy |
Oldcoder was banned and won't get special treatment just because he owns a domain name |
| 11:58 |
caleb5 |
ah |
| 11:58 |
rubenwardy |
Permanent bans can be reversed, but not when the person is still doing what he was banned for |
| 11:58 |
caleb5 |
i will take a look at the link. but how did he get the domain name? |
| 11:58 |
sfan5 |
bought it, of course |
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caleb5 |
it dates to 2012 though, it's very old |
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caleb5 |
he says he filed police reports |
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caleb5 |
i am not sure who to believe |
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rubenwardy |
So have we |
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rubenwardy |
https://twitter.com/kaze13_/status/1204885353938726912?s=19 |
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caleb5 |
do you have those reports, can i see them |
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rubenwardy |
We're not the only victims |
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caleb5 |
the ones you filed |
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rubenwardy |
Ask sofar |
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caleb5 |
if sofar could give me the pdf i would greatly appreciate it |
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caleb5 |
since he is sending everyone his version of the story |
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rubenwardy |
Also, there's the fact that there are many community members here that have first hand experience of this, contrasted to just oldcoder |
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caleb5 |
i'm especially looking for a well documented police report with logged evidence |
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caleb5 |
then i can decide who is telling the truth |
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sfan5 |
if you read his website and observe that he attempts to/does post personal information of community members, you should already have enough facts to decide who you might want to associate with |
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caleb5 |
he had a lot of facts and dates and places, seemed like a credible story |
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caleb5 |
especially since his docs say he was willing to testify under penalty of perjury about them |
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rubenwardy |
I am willing to do that as well |
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rubenwardy |
Just saying that or having something that appears to be a police report doesn't actually mean anything |
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rubenwardy |
Also: I'd like to say that all online communities of a sufficient size have people like this, and that most people are able to stay out of it |
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rubenwardy |
Also, him being banned from such an reputable organisation like freenode should add some credibility |
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fluxflux_ |
i hate to dig into these old wounds, but i have to ask. caleb5: i've never interacted w/ oldcoder myself, and found this community after he got kicked out. i've read through enough documented history, though, to feel like this community was right to kick him out. i'm curious what you've found that'd make you think otherwise. |
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rubenwardy |
Also, discord for Minetest: https://discord.gg/Wr6eXU3 |
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softwaredev |
hello :) |
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rubenwardy |
It's not official, but it's close enough to official |
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rubenwardy |
Hi sofar |
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rubenwardy |
softwaredev* |
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softwaredev |
Whoops. Wrong channel. Sorry |
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rubenwardy |
Lool |
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Andrey01 |
Hello, I got an error: Invalid float vector dimension range 'x' (expected -2.14748e+06 < x < 2.14748e+06 got -inf). Does it mean 'x' coord is beyond the world? |
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rubenwardy |
Check for divides by zero and other maths errors |
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rubenwardy |
Can't remember if lua has an error when that happens |
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rubenwardy |
Does this happen when you're developing a mod? |
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rubenwardy |
Or are you using only mods by other people? |
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Andrey01 |
Yes, when I`m developing a mod, only the original author is not me of that mod |
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Andrey01 |
Hmm, strangely my code actually can not have division by zero... |
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Andrey01 |
Once, like it does, but I don`t know how the divider appears a zero |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Andrey01: I am very sorry that your facing this situation, is this have to do with Minetest or you trying to learn coding in general? |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
I will be back to make breakfast just so you know I am not ignoring you. :) |
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Andrey01 |
This concerns to MT modding API or probably to Mobkit one. |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Andrey01: In that case you may find better help in the developers' channel as I believe we have one? |
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Andrey01 |
FriendlyPerson18: I`ve discovered a reason and spot of that error, it doesn`t concern to any API, it happens of my incorrect code implementation. |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Andrey01: Aw i am glad you found out where it was and what it was. Still if you need help doing it right they would more than likely be willing to help you out. |
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softwaredev |
I have a question regarding the main development of Minetest: Does one need extensive knowledge of computer graphics and/or game programming to contribute to the project? |
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Andrey01 |
If you want to work with the graphics, you need to know Irrlicht API. But in any way you need to know enough good C++ as the source code is not easy and contains applications of lots different language concepts. |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Andrey01: I afraid they left... :( |
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Andrey01 |
Who? softwaredev? |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Andrey01: Yup |
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rubenwardy |
FriendlyPerson18: this channel is the correct channel for mod dev |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
rubenwardy: I am so sorry I thought there were a separate one mentioned the other day. I must've gotten confused. :( |
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p_gimeno |
FriendlyPerson18: the #minetest-dev channel is about development of the engine, not mods |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
p_gimeno: Thanks for helping me understand this difference as i thought it was honestly generically for everything dev related. :( |
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p_gimeno |
no worries, I didn't know either at first. Someone pointed it out, I moved the discussion to this channel and that was all :) |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
p_gimeno: Aw thanks for assuring me it's okay. I was just worried about telling someone here the wrong things when I didn't mean to. :( |
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Exe_Virus |
is softwaredev around, want to encourage them to help out with minetest dev |
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p_gimeno |
they left 3 minutes after asking about the requisites to contribute |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Exe_Virus: I afraid they left my friend. :( |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Andrey01 was filling them in that and they left I believe before they even gotten them. |
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Pie-jacker875 |
oh my world doesn't generate past 30,927, Y, -30,912 |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
Pie-jacker875: that's odd I thought it's 31k unless it's rounds down for the rendering in effect. |
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p_gimeno |
yeah, -30912 to 30927 are the exact limits |
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Pie-jacker875 |
ah okay I see now |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
p_gimeno: I see so they says 31k for ease of pronunciation? |
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p_gimeno |
yes |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
p_gimeno: Gotcha, thanks for willing to help me assure my thoughts. :) |
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p_gimeno |
for pretty much the same reason that my computer is not said to have 34,359,738,368 bytes of RAM but 32 GB :) |
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p_gimeno: Gotch, totally make sense. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Builtin: Make dropped light_source nodes glow (#9200) 4b9fabf https://git.io/Je5St (2019-12-19T18:41:44Z) |
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FriendlyPerson18 |
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nephele |
What is the point of the log warning about accessing undeclared global variables? I am unsure of how i would probe for other mods without triggering these warnings |
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rubenwardy |
it could be a bug, nephele |
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rubenwardy |
you can get around it by doing if _G.myglobal then end |
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rubenwardy |
or if minetest.global_exists("myglobal") then |
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nephele |
rubenwardy: huh? but probing for it triggers a warning |
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rubenwardy |
either of those are explicit for intent |
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rubenwardy |
nephele: neither of those will throw the warning |
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rubenwardy |
also, there's the common pattern minetest.get_modpath("mymod") |
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rubenwardy |
`if minetest.get_modpath("mymod") then` |
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rubenwardy |
I'm not sure which I prefer tbh |
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nephele |
rubenwardy: >WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "sfinv" accessed at ...ods/minetest-mod-sparktech/sparkcompat/lua/sfinv.lua:1 |
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nephele |
for just >if sfinv then |
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rubenwardy |
see my above messages |
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nephele |
Accessing the variable does throw the warning though |
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rubenwardy |
yes, that is intended behaviour |
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nephele |
You said above that it would not |
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nephele |
:) |
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rubenwardy |
the three methods I gave will not |
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rubenwardy |
using if sfinv then directly will |
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nephele |
get_modpath does something completely different, and i don't see how your other access is different, is minetest.global_exists a function to just supress the warning? |
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rubenwardy |
minetest.global_exists is defined as return _G[name] |
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rubenwardy |
_G is a raw access |
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rubenwardy |
which suppresses the warning |
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rubenwardy |
actually, I'll check that |
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rubenwardy |
ahh return rawget(_G, name) ~= nil |
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rubenwardy |
global_exists then |
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nephele |
Ah, i suppose those are similar then, i guess i can try to use this _G thing to supress the warning then |
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rubenwardy |
_G.myglobal doesn't actually work, I was mistaken |
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nephele |
Does that just exist in the scope of the minetest.global_exists function? okay i will try to use that function then |
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rubenwardy |
yeah |
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rubenwardy |
the source code for global_exists and the strict checker is here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/common/strict.lua |
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nephele |
should i be able to see blocks placed in regoster_decorations in minetest.register_on_generated? |
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rubenwardy |
I don't think so |
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rubenwardy |
actually, maybe |
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rubenwardy |
I don't know |
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nephele |
Hmm, then i am not sure how i would generate trees there properly :g |
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nephele |
doesn't look like i can see them anyhow (unless i somehow made my code completely wrong) |
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nephele |
Ah, i think i can use the 'schematic' option of decorations |
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