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00:02 lllI1I this demonstrates two distinct programming methods
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00:03 rubenwardy well, it's not possible to depend on every single mod name
00:03 rubenwardy because that would be a big file
00:03 makayabou it works ! thank you
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00:03 rubenwardy makayabou: yw
00:03 lllI1I "how can I do Y, which will allow X" as opposed to "how do I X"
00:03 lllI1I yes I was making the joke
00:04 rubenwardy ah right, I understand
00:04 rubenwardy that's called the XY problem btw
00:04 lllI1I huhu
00:04 lllI1I I'm often a victim of it
00:06 makayabou i guess i'm so often deeply victim of it that I don't even understand the joke...
00:13 lllI1I it might also just not be a good joke
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00:13 lllI1I my proposed solution would technically work
00:14 lllI1I but compared to rubenwardy's solution it's insane
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01:47 Anonymous Hello?
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03:29 cooldude99 hello i have a linux server setup and added a mod to .minetest/mods in my home folder how to i make it start in the world on my server
03:30 cooldude99 buy the way the wiki is down
03:31 swift110 oh
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07:19 jose_ hello
07:19 jose_ I would like to ask for the forums, the webserver looks down, same for the wiki
07:20 jose_ and I would like to ask how to enable mods in minetest, after I have downloaded a couple of mods with the minetest windows client 5.0.1
07:20 jose_ how do I know if they work?
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07:25 pyrollo Hi
07:25 pyrollo Ingame, type /mods and see if the mod is in the list
07:25 pyrollo Are you playing a singleplayer game ?
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07:39 jose_ thank you pyrollo! yes! I am playing a singleplayer
07:39 jose_ so I was thinking if I missed any option in the configuration panel
07:41 jose_ I see the mod I have installed is not in the list
07:42 ANAND jose_: In the "Start Game" page, click on "Configure". A dialog containing a list of mods will be displayed, in which you can double-click on the mod to enable it.
07:42 jose_ I installed it using the option "content" in the main menu of the game
07:42 jose_ thank you ANAND!
07:42 jose_ I have enabled all :)
07:43 pyrollo And if it is still not working, refer to the log to see what's missing
07:44 ANAND Yw :)
07:44 jose_ cool! the mods work :D
07:44 jose_ thank you so much, guys!
07:44 pyrollo enjoy!
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08:57 roobunya Hi, is the minetest wiki down? I can't access it from Australia.
08:57 roobunya Ah, I just read the banner. Sorry
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10:03 trom_ I have ABM for default:dirt. No one dirt in map so I place default:dirt and have  no effect about 30 sec. Why ?
10:05 sfan5 ABMs run at an interval, it depends on what you have in your abm definition
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11:08 jluc … what's ABM ?
11:10 Astrobe Active Block Modifier. It allows blocks to do things at regular time intervals.
11:10 Astrobe It is used to make papyrus grow, for instance.
11:35 rubenwardy !book abm
11:35 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Node Timers and ABMs - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/map/timers.html
11:42 jluc ok
11:45 Astrobe I see "slippery" and "bouncy" groups, I'm surprised that there's no group to slowdown movement;
11:45 Astrobe of course there's liquid_viscosity but I've heard liquids are expensive.
11:48 Astrobe I guess it's easily doable with on_step and override_physics and that there's already a mod for this.
11:50 Astrobe (I mean, register_globalstep)
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11:59 robdrake is there a setting in minetest.conf to keep inventory on death?
12:00 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L10
12:01 robdrake thank you, hadn't seen that setting before
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12:07 tacotexmex Astrobe: Should be a slowndown node def issue on GH
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13:20 robdrake ok I checked forum.minetest.net, it went to some site 8dromeda, and firefox threw up a site warning
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13:21 rubenwardy robdrake: forums and wikis are down due to hard drive corruption, and are being restored from backups
13:21 rubenwardy 8dromeda is celeron55's game design studio
13:21 robdrake oh
13:21 robdrake ok
13:21 robdrake just thought I'd say something about the site warning
13:34 kurtzmusch yea theres a diferent warning now
13:41 Astrobe So it's still warming.
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14:08 tacotexmex ”8Dromeda is an independent Finnish game developer, focusing on emergent gameplay, too large projects and ...”
14:09 tacotexmex Sounds like something C55 related
14:20 ANAND lol :)
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14:26 kurtzmusch if i setup a mirror kind of thing with notabug and github, do i need to push my commits to both servers?
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14:28 robdrake Another question: Anyone know of a website that teaches technic autmoation? I'll be needing to process uranium is why I ask
14:29 calcul0n_ robdrake, https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/wiki
14:29 calcul0n_ it's not complete but that's a good start
14:30 robdrake ok
14:31 calcul0n_ a tip which is not in it : you can upgrade centrifuges with a control logic unit
14:32 calcul0n_ si they send the output in a tube without an injectors
14:38 Kilopas hello, i came to this chat just because wiki server is down :( and i see in topic that i need patience for them to be up... but maybe anyone knows alternatives where i could look up how to craft? thank you in advance
14:38 rubenwardy Kilopas: https://content.minetest.net/packages/jp/craftguide/
14:39 Kilopas thank you
14:39 robdrake I read every tab in that wiki, nothing on automating them
14:41 Astrobe Maybe we should point out that there are in-game crafting guide mods?
14:43 robdrake I use universal inventory
14:45 calcul0n_ robdrake, to automate you'll need the pipeworks and mesecons wikis but they are on minetest.net so down for now
14:45 robdrake thank you
14:46 Astrobe https://web.archive.org/web/20190321143151/https://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page
14:49 robdrake also found https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/wikis/home reading now
14:49 robdrake drat, not what I needed
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14:50 calcul0n_ yes it is
14:50 calcul0n_ look for tubes, sorting tubes and injectors
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15:00 robdrake thanks everybody
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15:22 kurtzmusch huray, he got the certificate right, all theres is left to do is rebuild the forum
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16:01 sofar it might go offline until it's all restored
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16:25 kurtzmusch is farmap a mod or something from the engine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ8fo5VBKEM i want to try this out
16:26 rubenwardy it's an engine patch
16:29 kurtzmusch does this exist for 5.0 or id have to compile that specific version?
16:30 rubenwardy the latter
16:30 kurtzmusch = (
16:31 tacotexmex You have to compile yourself IIRC kurtzmusch
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16:40 Astrobe farmap - is it based on non-lossless compression?
16:45 p_gimeno <kurtzmusch> if i setup a mirror kind of thing with notabug and github, do i need to push my commits to both servers?
16:45 p_gimeno kurtzmusch: yes, you need to push to both. GitLab has an automatic mirror feature.
16:54 kurtzmusch thanks pgimeno
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18:43 tacotexmex Notabug should also have  an automatic mirror feature since that platform is Gogs-based. kurtzmusch p_gimeno
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18:49 p_gimeno tacotexmex: can't see where, but I'd be very interested if that's the case
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18:50 p_gimeno tacotexmex: could you give me any hint about how to find that in gogs?
18:50 eva hello!!
18:50 eva what's a list of the privileges
18:51 kurtzmusch yeah, it would be usefull
18:52 tacotexmex Dropdown New migration, checkbox This repo is a mirror, I think. p_gimeno
18:52 tacotexmex But they may have turned it off ¯_(ツ)_/¯
18:52 eva because i have like in creative
18:54 kurtzmusch eva: /privs
18:54 p_gimeno tacotexmex: ahh found it, thank you!
19:00 eva ohh i see thanks
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19:07 RegsaGC Hello yes is this the minetest thing
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19:13 p_gimeno RegsaGC: I guess it is, but depends on what you mean by "thing" :)
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19:15 RegsaGC p_gimeno: Alright, thank you very much. The server-down link brought me here you see.
19:16 p_gimeno ah yes, there's a temporary page up now
19:17 RegsaGC Really? That's great. I'm sort of dead in the water without the `minetest` object page in the wiki
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19:18 RegsaGC Ah, that's better. I do love a good UI
19:19 p_gimeno er, no, sorry, I wasn't too clear. I just mean that I see there's a temporary maintenance page up, explaining what happened.
19:19 RegsaGC Oh, right. Well, that's okay I'm not in a hurry :-)
19:20 p_gimeno But you can try this: https://web.archive.org/web/20190321143151/https://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page
19:20 RegsaGC Why didn't *I* think of that? Thanks :-)
19:21 RegsaGC By the way I gotta ask, is there any code editors with good integration to the API? Like the Love2D autocomplete for VS Code? I'm a bit spoiled that way you see
19:23 RegsaGC I guess I can start by copying the contents of the "Global_Minetest_object" article into VS Code to teach it the different names
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19:29 Astrobe Vim out-of-the-box: open the lua_api.txt in one buffer, edit your source file, use ctrl-n to display possible completions. Good enough in my eyes, but I'm not a heavy user.
19:31 Astrobe only problem is that you have to use the task manager to exit Vim ;-)
19:32 clavi killall vim
19:33 RegsaGC Just pour cleaning spirit over your computer, ignite it and go buy a new one
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19:38 Astrobe Don't do that: PC-health will spam your mail box with overheat warning messages.
19:39 Hooman Hi
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19:42 runs hi
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19:44 runs when the forums will be available again?
19:47 Astrobe No data.
19:47 runs oh :-(
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19:55 RegsaGC runs: Credit to p_gimeno for this, though: "But you can try this: https://web.archive.org/web/20190321143151/https://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page"
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20:00 jluc rubenwardy, Libre Graphics Meeting is just around the corner : https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2019/
20:01 jluc the first conference will be the State of Libre Graphics :  an overview of what has happened during the last year in the world of Libre Graphics
20:01 jluc Every  project is invited to submit 3 slides
20:02 jluc there is a repo to submit these slides : https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/state-of-lg-2019
20:03 jluc (and use "Issues" to submit questions)
20:04 jluc since minetest can be seen as a 3D creator and viewer libre tool, it'd be nice to introduce it to this meeting
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20:05 rubenwardy I don't know anything about graphics
20:05 rubenwardy and neither does anyone else in the community
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20:06 Qebster hi
20:06 gustavo hola
20:07 Qebster bye
20:07 gustavo alguno habla español
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20:15 Isja whats wrong with the Forum
20:18 runs_ hola
20:19 runs_ the forums crashed
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21:21 clavi linking the webchat was a mistake
21:22 rubenwardy probably
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21:29 sofar haha
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21:56 Astrobe That Meseport that appeared on ContentDB looks interesting, although
21:57 Astrobe at first glance it seems to allow to bury yourself in a mountain.
21:57 Astrobe I would use raycast for this; also cost-per-use.
22:02 Astrobe Oh, raycast would probably hit IGNORE with a 100 blocks range.
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22:06 bubbafrog what happend to the forums and stuff
22:07 Astrobe disk crash.
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22:31 clavi linking the webchat was a mistake
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22:32 ZecroZhang hi
22:33 ZecroZhang am I the only one here?
22:33 Astrobe Hello
22:33 ZecroZhang I guess not
22:33 ZecroZhang hello
22:33 rubenwardy bonjour
22:33 ZecroZhang The Minetest wiki is down for maintenance :(
22:34 rubenwardy they have been for 3 days, hardware issue
22:34 rubenwardy should be up soon
22:34 ZecroZhang cool
22:34 ZecroZhang Have you ever gone to the bottem of a Minetest world
22:35 kurtzmusch /teleport 0, -30000, 0
22:35 ZecroZhang oh, what's down there?
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22:36 Astrobe Rocks I guess, unless mods put something more interesting there.
22:37 ZecroZhang No, I mean when you hit the world border. Do you fall out? Is there nothing? Is it black or is it light?
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22:38 Astrobe 42?
22:38 kurtzmusch you can telerport there
22:38 kurtzmusch its roughly -31k down
22:39 kurtzmusch its just sky
22:39 kurtzmusch if you are flying
22:39 Astrobe Actually I never had the occasion or the curiosity to go there.
22:39 kurtzmusch or all black if you arent
22:39 ZecroZhang I wanted to go there in survival, but...
22:39 kurtzmusch you dont fall
22:39 ZecroZhang I spawn in a new world to teleport, and there is a desert
22:40 ZecroZhang I don't have the permission to teleport
22:40 ZecroZhang :(
22:40 kurtzmusch /grantme all
22:40 ZecroZhang thx
22:40 Astrobe spoiler...
22:41 ZecroZhang about what?
22:41 kurtzmusch i didnt spoil, theres nothing to see
22:41 kurtzmusch doing that on survival would be disapointing
22:41 Astrobe that's a spoiler in itself ;-)
22:42 Astrobe the journey, dude, the journey...
22:44 ZecroZhang Point taken
22:47 JoeDoe Its been months since I logged in.  I finally get some time to revisit the 0.5.0 extravaganza, but here we are.
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22:48 JoeDoe ....the simplicity of this chat is refreshing.
22:49 ZecroZhang That's what I like about it
22:50 Astrobe (it's actually 5.0.0 now)
22:50 kurtzmusch what are you guys even talkin bout?
22:50 swift110 hey JoeDoe
22:50 JoeDoe Sup
22:51 JoeDoe I could chat on this for hours.....iis something wrong with me?
22:52 JoeDoe I must not be getting enough social stimuli
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22:52 ZecroZhang I get it
22:53 kurtzmusch spcoal stimuli is overrated
22:53 kurtzmusch social
22:53 ZecroZhang I got there by teleportation, it's sort-of cool.
22:54 ZecroZhang I accidentally scrolled up and started replying to the older messages, it was weird
22:55 JoeDoe ....and I scrolled up to see what you were referring to.
22:55 ZecroZhang did you find it?
22:56 ZecroZhang does the messages start from when you joined?
22:56 Astrobe The web interface is probably not the best IRC client ever...
22:56 JoeDoe Oh...ya I got like a page when I joined....I read about the bottom of the world yup.
22:56 Astrobe Yes, they do. to see what happened previously read the logs on the web.
22:57 Astrobe There's a link on the temp forum page.
22:57 ZecroZhang I want to change the subject, but it seems like you guys are enjoying it. Although what I said changed the subject, sorry.
22:58 ZecroZhang I'm not actually sorry ;p
22:59 JoeDoe I could smell your sincerity it was so strong.
23:01 JoeDoe How about this for a change.  Is it just me, or is Linux just really hard to get working on Linux?
23:01 JoeDoe I used windows before, and all I have to do is just plop in the .exe and go.
23:01 kurtzmusch what?
23:02 rubenwardy is Linux just really hard to get working on Linux?
23:02 rubenwardy que
23:02 kurtzmusch linux is hard to get working on linux"
23:02 rubenwardy Linux is already working on Linux
23:02 rubenwardy I guess you mean minetest
23:02 JoeDoe Sorry minetest on linux
23:02 kurtzmusch its harder
23:02 rubenwardy on ubuntu, you can just use the software center
23:03 JoeDoe Oh ya...Im trying to keep the Linux PC offline, so I'm trying to offline the package.
23:03 kurtzmusch compared to single packege you get on windows, yes, its harder... but its still easy
23:04 rubenwardy that's silly logic
23:04 kurtzmusch its hard by comparison
23:04 kurtzmusch but its actualy easy
23:04 JoeDoe Ya protecting security of a laptop is silly
23:05 rubenwardy Windows is a single OS, each distro is pretty different
23:05 rubenwardy and there are snaps and flatpaks
23:05 rubenwardy both give you a single package that works on all
23:05 rubenwardy also, keeping the computer offline in the modern world is silly
23:05 JoeDoe Snaps and flatpacks are online...are they not?
23:05 kurtzmusch this is aj issue torvalds himself talked about 5 years ago: "it sucks to distribute s0ftware on linux"
23:06 rubenwardy minetest is online
23:06 rubenwardy the large variety of software and configuration basically makes Linux like many different OSes with blurred lines
23:06 JoeDoe OK....what I imply is that this chat is phone, I know minetest is online.   Linux laptop is offline.
23:07 rubenwardy it's only really worth supporting Ubuntu if you are a company, imo
23:07 rubenwardy let the linux hackers port to each distro
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23:07 kurtzmusch id say support debian
23:08 rubenwardy Ubuntu has much greater use, so should be the platform you test on
23:08 kurtzmusch huum
23:08 rubenwardy for example: steam only supports ubuntu
23:08 rubenwardy yet on my arch install, I can use steam through the power of AUR
23:09 kurtzmusch though that makijg something for debiaj meant you are automatically supporting ubutu
23:09 kurtzmusch thought*
23:09 kurtzmusch spelling is deteriorating once again
23:12 kurtzmusch joe, what do you mean by offline?
23:12 ZecroZhang the sun was setting for 20 min, but in Minetest the sun sets in 20 seconds
23:13 rubenwardy JoeDoe: most distros has a file format for packages
23:13 ZecroZhang did joe go offline?
23:13 rubenwardy so you could download a .deb on a different computer, and install it on the laptop using    dpkg -i path/to/file.deb    if using Debian/Ubuntu/etc
23:14 rubenwardy A deb file is a zip archive iir
23:14 rubenwardy +c
23:14 kurtzmusch oh, thats what he meant...
23:16 ZecroZhang I'm Canadian
23:17 ZecroZhang does the Minetest biomes generate based on the coordinates? Or is
23:17 ZecroZhang oops
23:17 ZecroZhang it just random
23:17 ZecroZhang I hit enter by accident
23:17 lllI1I probably based on the seed
23:17 lllI1I so random in that respect
23:18 Astrobe coordinate, uses voronoy noise iirc
23:18 ZecroZhang I thought that if you go north or south the biomes are colder, and they are warm around the center.
23:18 ZecroZhang although I have no proof to back that u[
23:18 ZecroZhang *up
23:19 Astrobe it's sort of like continuous random
23:19 ZecroZhang what do you mean?
23:19 Astrobe so you rarely see a desert nest to a glacier
23:19 ZecroZhang oh, I see
23:20 kurtzmusch i think there is a cold desert actually
23:20 ZecroZhang yes there is
23:20 ZecroZhang I wish I found one in the game though
23:21 kurtzmusch its just silver sand
23:21 ZecroZhang I haven't found a desert in my world either :(
23:21 Astrobe Yes, there is a cold desert in MTG. I personally don't like it so I replaced it with a swamp biome
23:21 ZecroZhang Is that a mod?
23:21 ZecroZhang no, that's a stupid question
23:22 Astrobe It's something I extracted from a game named "Farlands". Too bad it's not on ContentDB.
23:23 kurtzmusch voronoi is used to create the temperature map, not the actual shape of the biome
23:23 JoeDoe Just a quick shout to Rubenwardy, still here, read your posts the.  The .debs were what I found the easiest but the version I downloaded had error.  And now back to the discussion on cold desserts....yumr
23:24 Astrobe Isn't it the same thing? Biomes are placed according to temperature, humidity and height in MT5.
23:24 kurtzmusch the voronoi diagram determines what temperatures falls into a given biome
23:25 kurtzmusch the temperatures themsleves in a specific x,z is generated from perlin
23:26 ZecroZhang bye
23:27 Astrobe Hmmm... I think I more-or-less get it.
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23:29 kurtzmusch when you register a biome you say desert is temp 100, humidity 0, but what about all of the other possible combinations? thats why there is a voronoi diagram... to make a cell around that temp,humidity defining all those possibilities as beeing part of the biome
23:30 kurtzmusch this means that a pair of random temperature and humidity will fall under 1 and only 1 biome
23:31 Astrobe yeah that makes sense.
23:31 JoeDoe This conversation of biomes and voronoi diagrams makes me feel degenerate.
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23:33 Astrobe randomness is harder than you'd think :-)
23:35 JoeDoe But random thoughts are so easy.
23:44 p_gimeno anyone using the Infrastructure mod? is there any kind of pole for the traffic signs?
23:48 trom_ why do ABM with only one target node on whole map make me wait result about 30 sec ? (interval = 1 chance = 100)
23:49 paramat because chance is 1 in 100
23:49 paramat roughly you'll have to wait 100s
23:49 paramat (on average)
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