Time Nick Message 00:02 lllI1I this demonstrates two distinct programming methods 00:03 rubenwardy well, it's not possible to depend on every single mod name 00:03 rubenwardy because that would be a big file 00:03 makayabou it works ! thank you 00:03 rubenwardy makayabou: yw 00:03 lllI1I "how can I do Y, which will allow X" as opposed to "how do I X" 00:03 lllI1I yes I was making the joke 00:04 rubenwardy ah right, I understand 00:04 rubenwardy that's called the XY problem btw 00:04 lllI1I huhu 00:04 lllI1I I'm often a victim of it 00:06 makayabou i guess i'm so often deeply victim of it that I don't even understand the joke... 00:13 lllI1I it might also just not be a good joke 00:13 lllI1I my proposed solution would technically work 00:14 lllI1I but compared to rubenwardy's solution it's insane 01:47 Anonymous Hello? 03:29 cooldude99 hello i have a linux server setup and added a mod to .minetest/mods in my home folder how to i make it start in the world on my server 03:30 cooldude99 buy the way the wiki is down 03:31 swift110 oh 07:19 jose_ hello 07:19 jose_ I would like to ask for the forums, the webserver looks down, same for the wiki 07:20 jose_ and I would like to ask how to enable mods in minetest, after I have downloaded a couple of mods with the minetest windows client 5.0.1 07:20 jose_ how do I know if they work? 07:25 pyrollo Hi 07:25 pyrollo Ingame, type /mods and see if the mod is in the list 07:25 pyrollo Are you playing a singleplayer game ? 07:39 jose_ thank you pyrollo! yes! I am playing a singleplayer 07:39 jose_ so I was thinking if I missed any option in the configuration panel 07:41 jose_ I see the mod I have installed is not in the list 07:42 ANAND jose_: In the "Start Game" page, click on "Configure". A dialog containing a list of mods will be displayed, in which you can double-click on the mod to enable it. 07:42 jose_ I installed it using the option "content" in the main menu of the game 07:42 jose_ thank you ANAND! 07:42 jose_ I have enabled all :) 07:43 pyrollo And if it is still not working, refer to the log to see what's missing 07:44 ANAND Yw :) 07:44 jose_ cool! the mods work :D 07:44 jose_ thank you so much, guys! 07:44 pyrollo enjoy! 08:57 roobunya Hi, is the minetest wiki down? I can't access it from Australia. 08:57 roobunya Ah, I just read the banner. Sorry 10:03 trom_ I have ABM for default:dirt. No one dirt in map so I place default:dirt and have no effect about 30 sec. Why ? 10:05 sfan5 ABMs run at an interval, it depends on what you have in your abm definition 11:08 jluc … what's ABM ? 11:10 Astrobe Active Block Modifier. It allows blocks to do things at regular time intervals. 11:10 Astrobe It is used to make papyrus grow, for instance. 11:35 rubenwardy !book abm 11:35 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Node Timers and ABMs - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/map/timers.html 11:42 jluc ok 11:45 Astrobe I see "slippery" and "bouncy" groups, I'm surprised that there's no group to slowdown movement; 11:45 Astrobe of course there's liquid_viscosity but I've heard liquids are expensive. 11:48 Astrobe I guess it's easily doable with on_step and override_physics and that there's already a mod for this. 11:50 Astrobe (I mean, register_globalstep) 11:59 robdrake is there a setting in minetest.conf to keep inventory on death? 12:00 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L10 12:01 robdrake thank you, hadn't seen that setting before 12:07 tacotexmex Astrobe: Should be a slowndown node def issue on GH 13:20 robdrake ok I checked forum.minetest.net, it went to some site 8dromeda, and firefox threw up a site warning 13:21 rubenwardy robdrake: forums and wikis are down due to hard drive corruption, and are being restored from backups 13:21 rubenwardy 8dromeda is celeron55's game design studio 13:21 robdrake oh 13:21 robdrake ok 13:21 robdrake just thought I'd say something about the site warning 13:34 kurtzmusch yea theres a diferent warning now 13:41 Astrobe So it's still warming. 14:08 tacotexmex ”8Dromeda is an independent Finnish game developer, focusing on emergent gameplay, too large projects and ...” 14:09 tacotexmex Sounds like something C55 related 14:20 ANAND lol :) 14:26 kurtzmusch if i setup a mirror kind of thing with notabug and github, do i need to push my commits to both servers? 14:28 robdrake Another question: Anyone know of a website that teaches technic autmoation? I'll be needing to process uranium is why I ask 14:29 calcul0n_ robdrake, https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/wiki 14:29 calcul0n_ it's not complete but that's a good start 14:30 robdrake ok 14:31 calcul0n_ a tip which is not in it : you can upgrade centrifuges with a control logic unit 14:32 calcul0n_ si they send the output in a tube without an injectors 14:38 Kilopas hello, i came to this chat just because wiki server is down :( and i see in topic that i need patience for them to be up... but maybe anyone knows alternatives where i could look up how to craft? thank you in advance 14:38 rubenwardy Kilopas: https://content.minetest.net/packages/jp/craftguide/ 14:39 Kilopas thank you 14:39 robdrake I read every tab in that wiki, nothing on automating them 14:41 Astrobe Maybe we should point out that there are in-game crafting guide mods? 14:43 robdrake I use universal inventory 14:45 calcul0n_ robdrake, to automate you'll need the pipeworks and mesecons wikis but they are on minetest.net so down for now 14:45 robdrake thank you 14:46 Astrobe https://web.archive.org/web/20190321143151/https://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page 14:49 robdrake also found https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/wikis/home reading now 14:49 robdrake drat, not what I needed 14:50 calcul0n_ yes it is 14:50 calcul0n_ look for tubes, sorting tubes and injectors 15:00 robdrake thanks everybody 15:22 kurtzmusch huray, he got the certificate right, all theres is left to do is rebuild the forum 16:01 sofar it might go offline until it's all restored 16:25 kurtzmusch is farmap a mod or something from the engine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ8fo5VBKEM i want to try this out 16:26 rubenwardy it's an engine patch 16:29 kurtzmusch does this exist for 5.0 or id have to compile that specific version? 16:30 rubenwardy the latter 16:30 kurtzmusch = ( 16:31 tacotexmex You have to compile yourself IIRC kurtzmusch 16:40 Astrobe farmap - is it based on non-lossless compression? 16:45 p_gimeno if i setup a mirror kind of thing with notabug and github, do i need to push my commits to both servers? 16:45 p_gimeno kurtzmusch: yes, you need to push to both. GitLab has an automatic mirror feature. 16:54 kurtzmusch thanks pgimeno 18:43 tacotexmex Notabug should also have an automatic mirror feature since that platform is Gogs-based. kurtzmusch p_gimeno 18:49 p_gimeno tacotexmex: can't see where, but I'd be very interested if that's the case 18:50 eva #minetest 18:50 p_gimeno tacotexmex: could you give me any hint about how to find that in gogs? 18:50 eva hello!! 18:50 eva what's a list of the privileges 18:51 kurtzmusch yeah, it would be usefull 18:52 tacotexmex Dropdown New migration, checkbox This repo is a mirror, I think. p_gimeno 18:52 tacotexmex But they may have turned it off ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 18:52 eva because i have like in creative 18:54 kurtzmusch eva: /privs 18:54 p_gimeno tacotexmex: ahh found it, thank you! 19:00 eva ohh i see thanks 19:07 RegsaGC Hello yes is this the minetest thing 19:13 p_gimeno RegsaGC: I guess it is, but depends on what you mean by "thing" :) 19:15 RegsaGC p_gimeno: Alright, thank you very much. The server-down link brought me here you see. 19:16 p_gimeno ah yes, there's a temporary page up now 19:17 RegsaGC Really? That's great. I'm sort of dead in the water without the `minetest` object page in the wiki 19:18 RegsaGC Ah, that's better. I do love a good UI 19:19 p_gimeno er, no, sorry, I wasn't too clear. I just mean that I see there's a temporary maintenance page up, explaining what happened. 19:19 RegsaGC Oh, right. Well, that's okay I'm not in a hurry :-) 19:20 p_gimeno But you can try this: https://web.archive.org/web/20190321143151/https://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page 19:20 RegsaGC Why didn't *I* think of that? Thanks :-) 19:21 RegsaGC By the way I gotta ask, is there any code editors with good integration to the API? Like the Love2D autocomplete for VS Code? I'm a bit spoiled that way you see 19:23 RegsaGC I guess I can start by copying the contents of the "Global_Minetest_object" article into VS Code to teach it the different names 19:29 Astrobe Vim out-of-the-box: open the lua_api.txt in one buffer, edit your source file, use ctrl-n to display possible completions. Good enough in my eyes, but I'm not a heavy user. 19:31 Astrobe only problem is that you have to use the task manager to exit Vim ;-) 19:32 clavi killall vim 19:33 RegsaGC Just pour cleaning spirit over your computer, ignite it and go buy a new one 19:38 Astrobe Don't do that: PC-health will spam your mail box with overheat warning messages. 19:39 Hooman Hi 19:42 runs hi 19:44 runs when the forums will be available again? 19:47 Astrobe No data. 19:47 runs oh :-( 19:55 RegsaGC runs: Credit to p_gimeno for this, though: "But you can try this: https://web.archive.org/web/20190321143151/https://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page" 20:00 jluc rubenwardy, Libre Graphics Meeting is just around the corner : https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2019/ 20:01 jluc the first conference will be the State of Libre Graphics : an overview of what has happened during the last year in the world of Libre Graphics 20:01 jluc Every project is invited to submit 3 slides 20:02 jluc there is a repo to submit these slides : https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/state-of-lg-2019 20:03 jluc (and use "Issues" to submit questions) 20:04 jluc since minetest can be seen as a 3D creator and viewer libre tool, it'd be nice to introduce it to this meeting 20:05 rubenwardy I don't know anything about graphics 20:05 rubenwardy and neither does anyone else in the community 20:06 Qebster hi 20:06 gustavo hola 20:07 Qebster bye 20:07 gustavo alguno habla español 20:15 Isja whats wrong with the Forum 20:18 runs_ hola 20:19 runs_ the forums crashed 21:21 clavi linking the webchat was a mistake 21:22 rubenwardy probably 21:29 sofar haha 21:56 Astrobe That Meseport that appeared on ContentDB looks interesting, although 21:57 Astrobe at first glance it seems to allow to bury yourself in a mountain. 21:57 Astrobe I would use raycast for this; also cost-per-use. 22:02 Astrobe Oh, raycast would probably hit IGNORE with a 100 blocks range. 22:06 bubbafrog what happend to the forums and stuff 22:07 Astrobe disk crash. 22:31 clavi linking the webchat was a mistake 22:32 ZecroZhang hi 22:33 ZecroZhang am I the only one here? 22:33 Astrobe Hello 22:33 ZecroZhang I guess not 22:33 ZecroZhang hello 22:33 rubenwardy bonjour 22:33 ZecroZhang The Minetest wiki is down for maintenance :( 22:34 rubenwardy they have been for 3 days, hardware issue 22:34 rubenwardy should be up soon 22:34 ZecroZhang cool 22:34 ZecroZhang Have you ever gone to the bottem of a Minetest world 22:35 kurtzmusch /teleport 0, -30000, 0 22:35 ZecroZhang oh, what's down there? 22:36 Astrobe Rocks I guess, unless mods put something more interesting there. 22:37 ZecroZhang No, I mean when you hit the world border. Do you fall out? Is there nothing? Is it black or is it light? 22:38 Astrobe 42? 22:38 kurtzmusch you can telerport there 22:38 kurtzmusch its roughly -31k down 22:39 kurtzmusch its just sky 22:39 kurtzmusch if you are flying 22:39 Astrobe Actually I never had the occasion or the curiosity to go there. 22:39 kurtzmusch or all black if you arent 22:39 ZecroZhang I wanted to go there in survival, but... 22:39 kurtzmusch you dont fall 22:39 ZecroZhang I spawn in a new world to teleport, and there is a desert 22:40 ZecroZhang I don't have the permission to teleport 22:40 ZecroZhang :( 22:40 kurtzmusch /grantme all 22:40 ZecroZhang thx 22:40 Astrobe spoiler... 22:41 ZecroZhang about what? 22:41 kurtzmusch i didnt spoil, theres nothing to see 22:41 kurtzmusch doing that on survival would be disapointing 22:41 Astrobe that's a spoiler in itself ;-) 22:42 Astrobe the journey, dude, the journey... 22:44 ZecroZhang Point taken 22:47 JoeDoe Its been months since I logged in. I finally get some time to revisit the 0.5.0 extravaganza, but here we are. 22:48 JoeDoe ....the simplicity of this chat is refreshing. 22:49 ZecroZhang That's what I like about it 22:50 Astrobe (it's actually 5.0.0 now) 22:50 kurtzmusch what are you guys even talkin bout? 22:50 swift110 hey JoeDoe 22:50 JoeDoe Sup 22:51 JoeDoe I could chat on this for hours.....iis something wrong with me? 22:52 JoeDoe I must not be getting enough social stimuli 22:52 ZecroZhang I get it 22:53 kurtzmusch spcoal stimuli is overrated 22:53 kurtzmusch social 22:53 ZecroZhang I got there by teleportation, it's sort-of cool. 22:54 ZecroZhang I accidentally scrolled up and started replying to the older messages, it was weird 22:55 JoeDoe ....and I scrolled up to see what you were referring to. 22:55 ZecroZhang did you find it? 22:56 ZecroZhang does the messages start from when you joined? 22:56 Astrobe The web interface is probably not the best IRC client ever... 22:56 JoeDoe Oh...ya I got like a page when I joined....I read about the bottom of the world yup. 22:56 Astrobe Yes, they do. to see what happened previously read the logs on the web. 22:57 Astrobe There's a link on the temp forum page. 22:57 ZecroZhang I want to change the subject, but it seems like you guys are enjoying it. Although what I said changed the subject, sorry. 22:58 ZecroZhang I'm not actually sorry ;p 22:59 JoeDoe I could smell your sincerity it was so strong. 23:01 JoeDoe How about this for a change. Is it just me, or is Linux just really hard to get working on Linux? 23:01 JoeDoe I used windows before, and all I have to do is just plop in the .exe and go. 23:01 kurtzmusch what? 23:02 rubenwardy is Linux just really hard to get working on Linux? 23:02 rubenwardy que 23:02 kurtzmusch linux is hard to get working on linux" 23:02 rubenwardy Linux is already working on Linux 23:02 rubenwardy I guess you mean minetest 23:02 JoeDoe Sorry minetest on linux 23:02 kurtzmusch its harder 23:02 rubenwardy on ubuntu, you can just use the software center 23:03 JoeDoe Oh ya...Im trying to keep the Linux PC offline, so I'm trying to offline the package. 23:03 kurtzmusch compared to single packege you get on windows, yes, its harder... but its still easy 23:04 rubenwardy that's silly logic 23:04 kurtzmusch its hard by comparison 23:04 kurtzmusch but its actualy easy 23:04 JoeDoe Ya protecting security of a laptop is silly 23:05 rubenwardy Windows is a single OS, each distro is pretty different 23:05 rubenwardy and there are snaps and flatpaks 23:05 rubenwardy both give you a single package that works on all 23:05 rubenwardy also, keeping the computer offline in the modern world is silly 23:05 JoeDoe Snaps and flatpacks are online...are they not? 23:05 kurtzmusch this is aj issue torvalds himself talked about 5 years ago: "it sucks to distribute s0ftware on linux" 23:06 rubenwardy minetest is online 23:06 rubenwardy the large variety of software and configuration basically makes Linux like many different OSes with blurred lines 23:06 JoeDoe OK....what I imply is that this chat is phone, I know minetest is online. Linux laptop is offline. 23:07 rubenwardy it's only really worth supporting Ubuntu if you are a company, imo 23:07 rubenwardy let the linux hackers port to each distro 23:07 kurtzmusch id say support debian 23:08 rubenwardy Ubuntu has much greater use, so should be the platform you test on 23:08 kurtzmusch huum 23:08 rubenwardy for example: steam only supports ubuntu 23:08 rubenwardy yet on my arch install, I can use steam through the power of AUR 23:09 kurtzmusch though that makijg something for debiaj meant you are automatically supporting ubutu 23:09 kurtzmusch thought* 23:09 kurtzmusch spelling is deteriorating once again 23:12 kurtzmusch joe, what do you mean by offline? 23:12 ZecroZhang the sun was setting for 20 min, but in Minetest the sun sets in 20 seconds 23:13 rubenwardy JoeDoe: most distros has a file format for packages 23:13 ZecroZhang did joe go offline? 23:13 rubenwardy so you could download a .deb on a different computer, and install it on the laptop using dpkg -i path/to/file.deb if using Debian/Ubuntu/etc 23:14 rubenwardy A deb file is a zip archive iir 23:14 rubenwardy +c 23:14 kurtzmusch oh, thats what he meant... 23:16 ZecroZhang I'm Canadian 23:17 ZecroZhang does the Minetest biomes generate based on the coordinates? Or is 23:17 ZecroZhang oops 23:17 ZecroZhang it just random 23:17 ZecroZhang I hit enter by accident 23:17 lllI1I probably based on the seed 23:17 lllI1I so random in that respect 23:18 Astrobe coordinate, uses voronoy noise iirc 23:18 ZecroZhang I thought that if you go north or south the biomes are colder, and they are warm around the center. 23:18 ZecroZhang although I have no proof to back that u[ 23:18 ZecroZhang *up 23:19 Astrobe it's sort of like continuous random 23:19 ZecroZhang what do you mean? 23:19 Astrobe so you rarely see a desert nest to a glacier 23:19 ZecroZhang oh, I see 23:20 kurtzmusch i think there is a cold desert actually 23:20 ZecroZhang yes there is 23:20 ZecroZhang I wish I found one in the game though 23:21 kurtzmusch its just silver sand 23:21 ZecroZhang I haven't found a desert in my world either :( 23:21 Astrobe Yes, there is a cold desert in MTG. I personally don't like it so I replaced it with a swamp biome 23:21 ZecroZhang Is that a mod? 23:21 ZecroZhang no, that's a stupid question 23:22 Astrobe It's something I extracted from a game named "Farlands". Too bad it's not on ContentDB. 23:23 kurtzmusch voronoi is used to create the temperature map, not the actual shape of the biome 23:23 JoeDoe Just a quick shout to Rubenwardy, still here, read your posts the. The .debs were what I found the easiest but the version I downloaded had error. And now back to the discussion on cold desserts....yumr 23:24 Astrobe Isn't it the same thing? Biomes are placed according to temperature, humidity and height in MT5. 23:24 kurtzmusch the voronoi diagram determines what temperatures falls into a given biome 23:25 kurtzmusch the temperatures themsleves in a specific x,z is generated from perlin 23:26 ZecroZhang bye 23:27 Astrobe Hmmm... I think I more-or-less get it. 23:29 kurtzmusch when you register a biome you say desert is temp 100, humidity 0, but what about all of the other possible combinations? thats why there is a voronoi diagram... to make a cell around that temp,humidity defining all those possibilities as beeing part of the biome 23:30 kurtzmusch this means that a pair of random temperature and humidity will fall under 1 and only 1 biome 23:31 Astrobe yeah that makes sense. 23:31 JoeDoe This conversation of biomes and voronoi diagrams makes me feel degenerate. 23:33 Astrobe randomness is harder than you'd think :-) 23:35 JoeDoe But random thoughts are so easy. 23:44 p_gimeno anyone using the Infrastructure mod? is there any kind of pole for the traffic signs? 23:48 trom_ why do ABM with only one target node on whole map make me wait result about 30 sec ? (interval = 1 chance = 100) 23:49 paramat because chance is 1 in 100 23:49 paramat roughly you'll have to wait 100s 23:49 paramat (on average)