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Xiong |
SFalcon American broadband sucks. In countries where monopoly ISPs are not protected, broadband services are cheaper, faster, and more reliable. |
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SFalcon |
Hey, I keep getting "connection timed out" errors on my server, when it seems to be running fine with no lag whatsoever. What could the source of this issue be? |
| 02:06 |
ANAND |
One tends to get that error when they're connecting to the wrong address. Make sure you enter the correct address and port of your server on the client |
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SFalcon |
Aha, I know what error you're talking about, and I have run into before, but that's not the case, actually. I am able to get onto my server, but then after a couple of minutes I get timed out, when everything seems to be running just fine. |
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Xiong |
Ungood! |
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Xiong |
One last shot on the anchor issue before I move: https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/issues/475 |
| 03:55 |
Xiong |
I'm surprised it's not used more widely... not a peep in five days. But then, if I ran a public server today, I'd be slow to hand them out. |
| 03:57 |
Xiong |
Studyup shows a few comments. One fellow said he cranked the forceload limit to 1000 chunks and didn't feel it affected performance. But obviously this is YMMV territory. |
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Xiong |
World Anchor Experiment 01 http://imgur.com/gallery/ji8QqYj |
| 04:45 |
Cornelia |
Restarting the app probably fails like that because the mod can only keep chunks loading when an anchor had been loaded in. If you relaunch the server and the anchor is out of range it isn't loaded in to keep chunks loaded. |
| 04:45 |
Cornelia |
(Note: that's my best guess. :P ) |
| 04:46 |
Xiong |
Cornelia That's my hypothesis too. The anchor can't load itself. |
| 04:46 |
Cornelia |
Yep. The only way it could would to either have the mod save out chunk data containing the anchors and load them in on restart or scan the entire map file looking for anchors. |
| 04:47 |
Cornelia |
s/Chunk data/anchor location/ |
| 04:47 |
oiaohm |
Cornelia: scanning the complete map with the total size of minetest world is insanely processor heavy. |
| 04:48 |
Xiong |
Seems to me that might be fixable. But maybe a stinky fix. Anyway, *knowing* a cause is a way to work around it. I may PR a change to user docs. |
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Cornelia |
oiaohm: never said it wouldn't be. |
| 04:50 |
Xiong |
Next up are some timing runs while the app stays hot. That control ran one-third expected rate! A lesser issue but still annoying. |
| 04:51 |
Xiong |
Meantime it's not too much to tour my anchors on foot after each startup. Often I'm already there... making this a heisenbug. Frustrating! |
| 04:53 |
Xiong |
One could argue feature not bug. If a public server with dozens of anchors goes down, let the anchors stay down until touched ingame. |
| 04:54 |
Xiong |
s/feature/undocumented feature/ |
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* Xiong |
teevee |
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Aarix |
Hey there, is this the appropriate place to ask for some troubleshooting help? |
| 07:15 |
Ruslan1 |
Who |
| 07:18 |
Aarix |
Trying to figure out why the character's legs are sinking through everything even with no texture pack. I can't find (or search properly) any issue like this on the forum and wanted to know if anyone ever experienced that. |
| 07:30 |
Xiong |
Um... no_clip off? |
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Xiong |
Does this happen in a fresh install... no mods or other modifications? |
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Xiong |
From where did you obtain your install? |
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Xiong |
Aarix, those are not rhetorical questions. |
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VanessaE |
um, Xiong, he signed off half an hour ago. |
| 08:02 |
Xiong |
VanessaE, hit and run eh? |
| 08:03 |
VanessaE |
if signing off after 6 mins of no answers counts as such, then I suppose so :P |
| 08:04 |
Xiong |
Yes it does. Instant is oatmeal. |
| 08:06 |
Xiong |
I've waited five days for a single word about admin anchor... hours of studyup. Finally unraveled half the issue... depending on view. |
| 08:06 |
* VanessaE |
shrugs |
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Xiong |
And I admit I got itchy but I don't laud my impatience. |
| 08:07 |
Xiong |
Shrug at what? |
| 08:08 |
VanessaE |
shrugging at the 5-days thing. I've waited far longer than that for some stuff. |
| 08:09 |
Xiong |
Um... which is my point. Five minutes and part is hit and run. This isn't sth to debate, is it? |
| 08:11 |
Xiong |
Moving on... I'm about ready to jump ship on current world. More lava than I remember, less mese block. And I asked myself earlier... why? |
| 08:12 |
Xiong |
I figure v7 under whatever 5.0.0 build stu's got. |
| 08:13 |
* VanessaE |
turns her attention back to anime and 3d printing... |
| 08:15 |
Xiong |
Well what? Mad already? I haven't even set fire to the book yet. |
| 08:17 |
Xiong |
I appreciate your suggestion to try v6 and also dreambuilder. Both got me over obstacles. But I'm beating myself silly trying to run on a phone. So I'm thinking a different direction. |
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VanessaE |
nah, just busy and not in the mood to argue. |
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Xiong |
Erm... not arguing I think. I don't have anything objective to offer other than the anchor test results... and with that done, my thoughts are largely freewheeling. |
| 08:25 |
Xiong |
Have you seen this Joe's TechPack? https://github.com/joe7575/techpack/wiki |
| 08:25 |
Xiong |
Have no experience yet so... hard to argue. |
| 08:30 |
VanessaE |
I have seen it. looked interesting, for sure, but his latest "make machines wear-out/break" update is gonna kill it imho. |
| 08:32 |
VanessaE |
(as mentioned in https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=19784&start=50 ) |
| 08:34 |
* Xiong |
looks |
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Xiong |
Yah might want to disable that. Realistic in theory but drive you crazy trying to fix the toy while trying to fix the simulator. |
| 08:40 |
Xiong |
I find especially interesting the his controllers refer to device nodes by address. This is exactly where my head went a week ago. Remember you and I discussed a saner signalling system than mesecons? I had an idea but it was basically stupid... filling space with wires. |
| 08:42 |
Xiong |
Not clear but I think Joe requires all controlled items to be connected via some path via his special nodes. So modeling the network and monitoring for change remains manageable... maybe. |
| 08:42 |
Xiong |
I think I'll try it. Find out if sucks or rocks. Can't hurt. |
| 08:43 |
VanessaE |
if it could drop-in-replace technic, and work with pipeworks, I'd be all over it |
| 08:58 |
Xiong |
Well nothing will do that. Too complex, too much legacy. And to what end? |
| 08:59 |
VanessaE |
speed. |
| 09:00 |
Xiong |
The whole team works together now: pmt. You want my HO, merge the projects. |
| 09:00 |
VanessaE |
technic is slow as molasses on Mars in the cold season |
| 09:00 |
VanessaE |
huh? |
| 09:00 |
Xiong |
The way I read Joe, he's replacing all of pmt... in a cut-down form. |
| 09:02 |
Xiong |
He has transport, signaling, and working machines. Does not equal pmt in power or complexity but occupies the same conceptual space. If it runs smoothly, the price may be worth it. |
| 09:03 |
VanessaE |
pmt? |
| 09:04 |
Xiong |
Pipeworks-mesecons-technic. Like bacon-lettuce-tomato. Sure you can skip one and eat a LT sandwich but why? |
| 09:05 |
VanessaE |
didn't make that connection. |
| 09:05 |
VanessaE |
well I'm quite partial to pipeworks and mesecons, but technic can just go away :P |
| 09:05 |
Xiong |
Well. I didn't think it original thought. |
| 09:07 |
Xiong |
Sorry they're a team. Each requires the other two... for reasons. Certainly technic explicitly depends on lettuce and tomato. |
| 09:08 |
Xiong |
Everyone has an opinion. I think technic is awesome but just can't click... disturbing weirdness distracts from play... like the anchor stuff. |
| 09:10 |
Xiong |
Pipeworks is right on but why? System can handle dozens of chests all over the map, thousands of stacks of loot. But who needs that kinda loot except a would-be nuke builder? |
| 09:12 |
Xiong |
Mesecons is the idiot child drooling at the end of the small table but it's the only way I've seen to get p and t to communicate. By itself you have little more than open-sesame doors and cobble generators. No wait you need p for that too. |
| 09:14 |
Xiong |
So I said, for my money, roll all three together in one project. Hence the appeal of Joe's thing. |
| 09:15 |
VanessaE |
hm |
| 09:15 |
VanessaE |
perhaps. |
| 09:16 |
VanessaE |
but technic-mesecons-pipeworks is heavily entrenchedf. |
| 09:16 |
VanessaE |
-f |
| 09:16 |
VanessaE |
there's no displacing them without backwards compat |
| 09:16 |
VanessaE |
at least at the node level |
| 09:17 |
Xiong |
Nono, there's no replacement here. Joe is obviously breaking his own trail. |
| 09:18 |
VanessaE |
oh well. |
| 09:18 |
Xiong |
Much smaller project. Dustbuster, not giant industrial shopvac. |
| 09:20 |
Xiong |
Really much smaller if you rope in the other depends and quasi-depends. I wouldn't run pmt without six other mods. |
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Xiong |
I see no merit in some pmt whole-body replacement. Reminds me of Being John Malkovich |
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Xiong |
If any manufacturer sells a straight Debian phone I will pay any price. |
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Xiong |
Needs to sandbox Android, fool Netflix into thinking phone's not rooted. |
| 10:03 |
Xiong |
I have always considered myself a hardware dog, never a software jock. But the world has changed. Now I rank availability of a working shell somewhere between air and tobacco. |
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majochup |
hi ANND |
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ANAND |
Hey |
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Xiong |
Has anyone installed stu's: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=21526 |
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Xiong |
If so, how? Any issues? |
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rubenwardy |
uninstall any existing app, download it, open it using a file manager, approve install from unknown sources, install |
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MinetestBot |
[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Fix installed modpacks not being found correctly 7d7ccf5 https://git.io/fhLRk (2018-12-30T12:26:44Z) |
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SFalcon |
Hey, I finally got everything working correctly on my server, and I just came here because I want to thank anyone who helped me set this up, because honestly, I couldn't have done it without your assistance. Thank you. |
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Xiong |
rubenwardy Yah all that. |
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Xiong |
Dunno about "file manager". Android seems to have no native file manager. I have several third-party gadgets and rely on Ghost Commander... grandbaby of Midnight Commander. I have tried tapping the notification itself and tapping the file from the Downloads app baked in. No joy. |
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Xiong |
I successfully sideloaded a 0.4.x build some time ago |
| 13:17 |
Xiong |
So yeh previous install gone, sideloading enabled... the obvious bases all touched. Has anyone successfully run this day-old build? |
| 13:19 |
Xiong |
Hahaha! I've been trying stuff for two hours, finally hit! |
| 13:21 |
Xiong |
All teh internets agree with you rubenwardy. But the real tool is called "Package installer". |
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rubenwardy |
well yes, that's what you use to install packages |
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rubenwardy |
but Chrome doesn't allow you to open package installer from the downloads menu |
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rubenwardy |
or the notif |
| 13:23 |
rubenwardy |
which is why you need to find the download with a file manager |
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Xiong |
The file was never lost. |
| 13:25 |
Xiong |
The point is that everyone assumes the default action just works... and maybe should, maybe I broke it. I had to search every single app on my phone... including the internal hidden stuff... in alphabetical order. Android stinks. |
| 13:27 |
Xiong |
And thar she blows! The white whale! |
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Xiong |
There isn't really a downloads menu so much as a rinky-dink app. Tap a file and it tries to find an app that'll handle it. I had to uninstall my text editor... guess the idiot said let's try this. No choice offered. Android stinks. |
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rubenwardy |
is this chrome? |
| 13:31 |
rubenwardy |
because Chrome used to open APKs in package installer like it should |
| 13:31 |
rubenwardy |
however it has since changed to ignore the existence of the package installer, for securety reasons |
| 13:31 |
rubenwardy |
Android is great :) |
| 13:31 |
Xiong |
You mean the web browser?? |
| 13:32 |
rubenwardy |
what web browser are you using? |
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Xiong |
I cycle around. Never mind. If Chrome ever had the ability to invoke an installer directly, I long since cut its balls off. |
| 13:35 |
Xiong |
Glad you're happy rubenwardy but I found happiness on Linux and despise everything about Android... starting from it being advertised as based on Linux. I consider it a ripoff and a corporate plot |
| 13:35 |
rubenwardy |
Android isn't based on Linux |
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Xiong |
Not to start a war! |
| 13:35 |
rubenwardy |
it's based on the Linux kernel, not GNU/Linux |
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Xiong |
I agree! |
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rubenwardy |
so you won't see any similarities |
| 13:35 |
Xiong |
But that's how it was sold. |
| 13:37 |
Xiong |
I hate being stuck in a box. I say it's my machine... I paid full price cash. |
| 13:39 |
Xiong |
Ha. I can't even root the thing, so far as I know. Netflix now refuses to run on rooted devices. I'm sure Steamboat Willie is glad to hear that. |
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Xiong |
However I am gradually pulling up the floorboards and knocking out the walls. I have a shell, not too powerful; and the OFM mentioned. I assume I knocked out a loadbearing member if all the sideloading how-tos failed. |
| 13:45 |
Xiong |
Anyway thanks rubenwardy++. Your advice wasn't new but helped renew my rage for one last stab... and that's what it took to lash Moby Dick to the side! |
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* Xiong |
goes to cut blubber |
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Giorge |
Hello dear Minetesters |
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Giorge |
Where you dont expect it a fellow emerges |
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majochup |
wdym |
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Giorge |
That you joined |
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majochup |
lol i am here a lot Giorge |
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Giorge |
Me too old friend |
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Giorge |
Wb |
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majochup |
old friends? |
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majochup |
w.d.y.m |
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Giorge |
Im being dramatic |
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majochup |
:l |
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Giorge |
Look at that |
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Giorge |
Hi |
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_Lucy |
hi |
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majochup |
hi |
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Giorge |
Hello |
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Giorge |
Hello |
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SFalcon |
Heya |
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Giorge |
Wi |
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Giorge |
*welcome in |
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SFalcon |
Quick question: When I close the command prompt (where I run the server and commands) is my server SUPPOSED to be shut down with it? |
| 18:05 |
SFalcon |
Just want to know if I always have to keep it open |
| 18:05 |
Giorge |
Never had a server to know. Wait for a mod to respond |
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Giorge |
Ping sb |
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Giorge |
Greetingd |
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SFalcon |
Huh, looks like my server is having issues even starting at all... |
| 18:12 |
SFalcon |
Will send a pastebin |
| 18:13 |
Giorge |
Whats your server? |
| 18:13 |
Giorge |
Curiosity |
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SFalcon |
Ah, it's private right now |
| 18:13 |
SFalcon |
But when released, it will be called "Falconville" based off of Gabosburg and Craig's Server |
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Giorge |
Oh ok nevermind |
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Giorge |
Forgive me |
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Giorge |
Interesting |
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Giorge |
I might pass by |
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SFalcon |
Haha, it's alright. Curiosty is allowed :P |
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BurningPrincess |
/remove_player is not removing players with the error "No such player to remove" |
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Giorge |
Lively today isnt it? |
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Giorge |
Many talkative minetesters. Yay |
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BurningPrincess |
So, what can fix that |
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Giorge |
Ping a moderator |
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BurningPrincess |
Erm. Me and the other players are admins on the server we are tting to use it on |
| 18:16 |
BurningPrincess |
*other player |
| 18:16 |
Giorge |
I mean in this channel |
| 18:17 |
BurningPrincess |
Oh, errm. Who is one? |
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Giorge |
Random example rubenwardy |
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SFalcon |
Calinou, Krock, Sfan |
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Giorge |
Vanesa |
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SFalcon |
https://pastebin.com/0gA5S8AV |
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SFalcon |
Ah yeah, Vanesa |
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BurningPrincess |
Erm. IPlease can some mod help? |
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Krock |
<SFalcon> Just want to know if I always have to keep it open |
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Krock |
yes you have to keep it open since the command prompt is the parent process |
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SFalcon |
Alright |
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SFalcon |
Check my pastebin, I got an error when loading it up, and now I can't get onto the server at all |
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BurningPrincess |
So, how can /remove_player be fixed? |
| 18:20 |
BurningPrincess |
Like, how can I get it working? |
| 18:20 |
Giorge |
Maybe i can help here princess |
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Giorge |
Is this in a mod? |
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SFalcon |
I'd like to help, but I don't exactly know what it is... |
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Giorge |
It must be areas mod |
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Krock |
BurningPrincess: check upper/lowercase. That command directly calls to remove_player which was tested to remove players |
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SFalcon |
That makes sense |
| 18:21 |
Krock |
note that it doesn't remove the auth |
| 18:22 |
* BurningPrincess |
nods |
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Krock |
SFalcon: https://wiki.minetest.net/Troubleshooting#.E2.80.9CServerEnvironment::loadMeta.28.29:_EnvArgsEnd_not_found.E2.80.9D |
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Krock |
RTFM |
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BurningPrincess |
Nope. Still not working |
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BurningPrincess |
Still got "no such player to remove" |
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SFalcon |
"RTFM" |
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Granny_Giorge |
Oof |
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SFalcon |
Queue the Roblox Death sound |
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Krock |
BurningPrincess: well, that means there's no such player. what's the issue? |
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SFalcon |
Thank you krock, 10/10 will rtfm next time lol |
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Giorge |
Rtfm such a beauty of a word |
| 18:27 |
BurningPrincess |
Krock: its weild as I am sure that player existed (as they logged in under that name and sban shows them up |
| 18:27 |
Krock |
SFalcon: in the case of 11/10 where you can't find it in the manual, I'll point you to the right location ;) |
| 18:27 |
Krock |
Giorge: a bit offensive, though. |
| 18:27 |
Krock |
BurningPrincess: well then, somebody removed it |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
also delete the auth if you want to free the nickname |
| 18:28 |
BurningPrincess |
Thanks |
| 18:28 |
Giorge |
Did i offended you. Didnt mean to |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
yw |
| 18:28 |
Giorge |
Offend* |
| 18:28 |
BurningPrincess |
Just nuking a users many altds |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
Giorge: no, not at all. I meant the RTFM abbreviation which is a bit offensive |
| 18:28 |
Giorge |
Oh oh ok |
| 18:28 |
BurningPrincess |
I have an idea: Can you limit how many names a user can have? |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
!mod names_per_ip |
| 18:28 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: Names per IP [names_per_ip] by Calinou - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9768 |
| 18:28 |
Giorge |
On fact i have no idea what it means |
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Giorge |
In |
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Krock |
Giorge: Read The Fukin Manual |
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Giorge |
Oog |
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Giorge |
Off |
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Giorge |
Oof |
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Giorge |
Lol |
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Giorge |
Didnt expect that |
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Afk |
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