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sfan5 |
uh |
| 00:00 |
sfan5 |
no, should be working fine |
| 00:00 |
sfan5 |
which IP and port are you hosting this on? |
| 00:00 |
cddepppp256 |
Port 30100 |
| 00:01 |
cddepppp256 |
And 75.8.100.181 |
| 00:01 |
sfan5 |
!up 75.8.100.181:30100 |
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MinetestBot |
75.8.100.181:30100 seems to be down |
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sfan5 |
looks like it can't reach your server |
| 00:02 |
SFalcon |
Anyone here have a working download of TenPlus's Simple Skins mod? |
| 00:02 |
cddepppp256 |
I restarted it so I think that's why... it has dreambuilder |
| 00:03 |
cddepppp256 |
should be in a few seconds |
| 00:03 |
cddepppp256 |
*should be up |
| 00:03 |
cddepppp256 |
should be up right now |
| 00:04 |
sfan5 |
oh yeah, it's announcing over IPv6 |
| 00:04 |
SFalcon |
Oh, hi sfan. |
| 00:04 |
sfan5 |
put server_address = 75.8.100.181 in your config |
| 00:05 |
sfan5 |
(because the server list expects Minetest to listen on your IPv6 when you announce via IPv6) |
| 00:07 |
cddepppp256 |
Server is started |
| 00:07 |
cddepppp256 |
Thank you! |
| 00:08 |
SFalcon |
Does anyone have Simple Skins downloaded? I'd assume someone running a server would... |
| 00:11 |
SFalcon |
cddeppp256, is your server public? If so, I would like to play. |
| 00:13 |
cddepppp256 |
Yes, but there's not really going to be much to do! (You can still join anyway, but don't put too much time into it!) |
| 00:13 |
SFalcon |
Alright, what's the IP? |
| 00:13 |
cddepppp256 |
75.8.100.181 port 30100 |
| 00:14 |
SFalcon |
oof, it's telling me something about a protocol mismatch. |
| 00:14 |
SFalcon |
protocol version mismatch* |
| 00:15 |
Xiong |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/issues/475 baffles me, the lack of comment. Surely such a tool holds interest? |
| 00:15 |
cddepppp256 |
oh it's on 5.0.0-dev! |
| 00:16 |
cddepppp256 |
are you running that? |
| 00:16 |
SFalcon |
ah, no |
| 00:16 |
SFalcon |
I was running 4.17.1 |
| 00:16 |
SFalcon |
brb |
| 00:16 |
cddepppp256 |
ok |
| 00:18 |
SFalcon |
where can I download this new version? |
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Ruslan1 |
!up 75.8.100.181:30100 |
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MinetestBot |
75.8.100.181:30100 seems to be down |
| 00:57 |
Xiong |
I mumbled about this topic previously and thought a visual aid might be useful: Technical Lava Work https://imgur.com/gallery/JTESUFA |
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Cyber |
Hello |
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Cyber |
Anyone know a good multiblock api? I can't find one that makes sense. |
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Cyber |
Welcome |
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GreenDimond |
Cyber: If you mean multiple blocks making up one machine, take a look at technic or digtron |
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GreenDimond |
actually just digtron |
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Cyber |
So I am working on a mod. I have the ores in the game but minetest.register_ore isn't working for some reason |
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Cyber |
So I am working on a mod. I have the ores in the game but minetest.register_ore isn't working for some reason |
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scr267a |
Does Minetest's rollback feature work even on a postgresql backend? I turned it on and I noticed its created a rollback sqlite file. |
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sfan5 |
the rollback always uses a separate database which is always an sqlite file |
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scr267a |
Ruslan1: What is ahmi? |
| 19:35 |
Krock |
hdmi but spelled horribly wrong |
| 19:37 |
scr267a |
Krock: hum... im not sure thats it... though. I went onto ruslan1's server and got messages from Mototank ahmi |
| 19:37 |
scr267a |
so its another server i think. |
| 19:38 |
GreenDimond |
Joke: Missed. |
| 19:38 |
Krock |
another server or IRC network |
| 19:38 |
scr267a |
but I can't find it in the list. |
| 19:38 |
scr267a |
yes |
| 19:38 |
scr267a |
thats what i was asking Ruslan1... :) Somehow I think he would know since they seem to be connected |
| 19:38 |
Krock |
*IRC channel or even on a different network |
| 19:39 |
scr267a |
yea |
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Ruslan1 |
scr267a: I’m here |
| 19:54 |
majochup |
also |
| 19:55 |
majochup |
guys |
| 19:55 |
majochup |
any of you ever noticed that cyberbullying is a big problem in MT/IRC? |
| 19:56 |
Ruslan1 |
Who me |
| 19:59 |
Ruslan1 |
!tell scr267a I’m here |
| 19:59 |
MinetestBot |
Ruslan1: I'll pass that on when scr267a is around |
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majochup |
ye |
| 20:14 |
Xiong |
o/ |
| 20:15 |
majochup |
hi |
| 20:15 |
Xiong |
majochup A majority of players are a problem in all public games. |
| 20:15 |
majochup |
wdym? |
| 20:18 |
Xiong |
Infested with kids without social or technical skills. All they can do is whine, beg, steal, wreck, and harass. It's a good day when one does something as simple as a miserable cobble hovel. |
| 20:19 |
majochup |
o |
| 20:20 |
Xiong |
Oh and lack of patience. Raised on the glass teat, constant stimulation and instant reward. |
| 20:20 |
majochup |
true |
| 20:22 |
Xiong |
The ones who rise from that class develop enough attention span to try for saboteur or mass killer. Read the news. Ingame malfeasance is our least concern. |
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| 20:27 |
Xiong |
Last time I was actually inside the walls of a public school I was horrified. Difficult to distinguish from junior jail. Condemn a kid to 12 years of that and tell me how the criminal injustice system is a deterrent? You gotta get in, it's the cold familiar place. Three hots and a cot. |
| 20:28 |
Xiong |
Garbage in, garbage out. |
| 20:28 |
majochup |
what |
| 20:28 |
majochup |
the |
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majochup |
peep |
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| 20:29 |
DoyleChris |
hello i am having problem trying to make TNT in multiplayer |
| 20:29 |
Xiong |
I offer more or less obvious solutions to ingame player interaction issues... if you like. |
| 20:29 |
majochup |
yes Xiong |
| 20:29 |
Xiong |
DoyleChris Probably disabled. |
| 20:29 |
DoyleChris |
How do i enable it |
| 20:29 |
majochup |
but in the netherlands schools are not such a bad place as you describe em |
| 20:29 |
DoyleChris |
i did this code /set -n enable_tnt 1 |
| 20:30 |
DoyleChris |
and i stil cant make it with 5 gunpowder and 4 planks |
| 20:30 |
majochup |
the only criminal things that ever happend on my school were light stealing (pencils and such) copying, and thats it |
| 20:30 |
GreenDimond |
DoyleChris: Why 1? Its probably a true/false value |
| 20:30 |
DoyleChris |
well off is 0 on is 1 |
| 20:31 |
GreenDimond |
Thats nice |
| 20:31 |
GreenDimond |
enable_tnt is a true/false value |
| 20:32 |
Xiong |
First, localize chat. No reason to allow players who can't see each other hear each other. You can set up a more complex system with longer range for trusted players, private channels by ingame "phone". |
| 20:33 |
majochup |
ok |
| 20:33 |
DoyleChris |
I have tried every combo to make it |
| 20:33 |
Shara |
majochup: if you had issues on any specific servers, best to report to the moderators/admins of that server |
| 20:34 |
Xiong |
The larger the audience the greater push to grandstand... for some... the greater pressure to remain silent... for others. Man did not evolve as a society of thousands. |
| 20:34 |
Shara |
If the staff on a server don't care about it... then maybe it's not a great server to spend time on |
| 20:36 |
majochup |
ye |
| 20:36 |
majochup |
thats why i play most on CTF |
| 20:36 |
majochup |
and CitySim |
| 20:36 |
Xiong |
Second, random spawn. Fewer physical interactions mean less conflict. The floating nametag must be range-restricted too... |
| 20:37 |
Shara |
Most of the long-term serious MT servers have rules against bullying/personal attacks and so on |
| 20:38 |
Xiong |
majochup yes Shara means well but I'm unconvinced it's a good use of time to complain; better to go directly to plan B and exit. |
| 20:39 |
DoyleChris |
any ideas |
| 20:40 |
Shara |
Xiong: If you quit every MT server the moment someone behaves badly and give the team no chance to respond, better not to play on servers at all :) |
| 20:40 |
Xiong |
Either admin is indifferent or trying to put out the fire one match at a time. Few seem to think along efficient, comprehensive lines. |
| 20:42 |
Xiong |
Shara, I don't believe a good mechanical game can be played badly... in the sense of cheating or misbehavior. |
| 20:42 |
Shara |
Nice assumptions. Most admins I knew care a lot about these things. Not all of course. |
| 20:42 |
Shara |
But no interesting in debating with you. |
| 20:42 |
Xiong |
It's up to the machine to set limits on what players are able to do. |
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Xiong |
Yes, some care; that's my case #2 above, firemen rushing about with their hoses. |
| 20:43 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2 -- Burned wood |
| 20:43 |
majochup |
yes in CitySim the nametags are above the skin |
| 20:44 |
Shara |
Well, I was running servers for over three years, and it seems I run them well enough that problems are minimal, so I'll stick with my own approach. |
| 20:44 |
Xiong |
majochup And visible at any distance? |
| 20:44 |
majochup |
well only if u see the player |
| 20:44 |
Xiong |
That's better. |
| 20:44 |
majochup |
but if there are 2 blocks in front i cant |
| 20:45 |
Xiong |
No that's fine. |
| 20:45 |
Shara |
If you set too many restrictions on players, it's boring for players. A good balance between restrictions and moderation is usually important, and a lot depends on the type of server as well. |
| 20:45 |
majochup |
ye |
| 20:45 |
Xiong |
Shara, perhaps you have a more systematic approach. So you outperform the average. |
| 20:47 |
Xiong |
I try not to depend on excellence. I get into enough trouble relying on mediocrity. I swear most are below average. |
| 20:48 |
Shara |
Perhaps. I make sure to have protections against things like liquid grief and so on, and also limit most mesecons use to a priv. A spawn point that forces people to read rules and show they can follow basic instructions before they get to play also helps a great deal. |
| 20:48 |
majochup |
true |
| 20:48 |
Shara |
But some forms of bad behaviour, especially attacks on other players, are hard to handle well unless you have enough moderators in game |
| 20:49 |
Shara |
If you start resrticting chat, you also limit people's ability to ask for help. So it's about balance. |
| 20:49 |
Shara |
restricting* |
| 20:50 |
majochup |
cya! |
| 20:51 |
Shara |
See you majochup :) |
| 20:51 |
Xiong |
Here the supermarket offers a pickup service as well as delivery. Customer drives into parking lot and phones special number: I'm here! and clerk pushes order out and loads. Great!... ? I spent six months fighting with clerks, managers, and reps over the fact that nobody reliably answered the special number. |
| 20:52 |
scr267 |
Ruslan1: Hey, I was visiting your server :) |
| 20:52 |
scr267 |
Ruslan1: Just wondering what ahm1 or ahmi is? |
| 20:53 |
Xiong |
I mean hell. For a bare minimum performance. If you don't answer the phone you can't sell that customer. Took six months and untold fuss to locate one store in the chain and three clerks who figured it out. |
| 20:54 |
Xiong |
Shara, what help should anyone require? |
| 20:55 |
Shara |
For? |
| 20:56 |
Xiong |
Are we having a convo? You mentioned asking for help. |
| 20:56 |
Shara |
I wasn't asking for help. |
| 20:57 |
Shara |
But players often need help. |
| 20:57 |
Xiong |
1249 <Shara> If you start resrticting chat, you also limit people's ability to ask for help. |
| 20:57 |
Xiong |
So. |
| 20:58 |
Shara |
Okay, let's say you are worried about how players interact |
| 20:58 |
Shara |
So you restrict chat in some way |
| 20:58 |
Shara |
But a new player wants to ask for help |
| 20:58 |
Shara |
Maybe they don't know how to choose a skin, or how to use a certain mod |
| 20:59 |
Xiong |
Well choose one okay? |
| 20:59 |
Shara |
You've made it more difficult for players to bully each other... but also more difficult for them to help a new player |
| 20:59 |
Shara |
It's just an observation, Xiong. |
| 20:59 |
Shara |
It shows why restrictions aren't always the best approach. |
| 21:00 |
Xiong |
No... shows lack of concentration. |
| 21:00 |
Shara |
Well you can interpret it as you wish. |
| 21:00 |
Shara |
I don't have time or willpower to debate meanings with you. |
| 21:02 |
Xiong |
I'll pick then. Not hard to point new players to a page of info about the server... I'd think that rather basic. The page should document the system, including mods, in outline. Easy to link out for detail. |
| 21:03 |
Xiong |
Given such page, anyone who whines... I don't know how to craft a steel pick... can be allowed to wallow in his ignorance and foolishness. I see no need to spoon feed anyone. |
| 21:04 |
Xiong |
There's no debate. My meaning is clear to all. |
| 21:06 |
scr267 |
I find that when I started out on minetest, asking for help from other players was the natural thing to do ... |
| 21:07 |
scr267 |
some people learn by reading docs, but some others will learn from interaction and experiencing things. |
| 21:07 |
Xiong |
Random spawn and restricted global chat means no help for new players until they master sufficient basics and motivation to hike to visit someone else. They may come to do harm but by then you've eliminated the bulk of the antisocial elements. |
| 21:07 |
Xiong |
scr267 Both docs and experiment ate valid approaches. |
| 21:07 |
Xiong |
... are.... |
| 21:08 |
scr267 |
I also added 'interaction' |
| 21:08 |
Xiong |
I need to ask others when the system itself is broken. |
| 21:09 |
Xiong |
Obviously a good working system demands less of that. |
| 21:09 |
Shara |
Godo luck have instructions that work for all age groups and all languages then. |
| 21:09 |
Shara |
Good* |
| 21:09 |
Krock |
> all ages |
| 21:09 |
Shara |
What is perfectly clear to one person might not be to another. |
| 21:10 |
Xiong |
Dunno are you guys confused about what I wrote? I didn't say Disable chat. |
| 21:10 |
Krock |
"6 yo kiddo: that's where you're wrong" |
| 21:10 |
* Krock |
vanishes |
| 21:11 |
* Shara |
pokes Krock-the-ever-helpful |
| 21:11 |
Xiong |
Yes; there are few feasible ways to put hard age gates on anything online but why open a day care center? |
| 21:12 |
Shara |
Xiong: Do you run a public server? |
| 21:13 |
Xiong |
You and I disagree because I think failure is important. If failure is impossible then so is success. |
| 21:13 |
Shara |
Please don't make ridiculous assumptions. Failure is always possible. :) |
| 21:13 |
Xiong |
I have. Right now I don't think I can even play MP. |
| 21:13 |
Xiong |
Well I prefer a lot more failure than you do. |
| 21:14 |
Shara |
You have no idea what I prefer |
| 21:14 |
Xiong |
Ah... you've said much. |
| 21:14 |
Shara |
And you've misinterpreted much. |
| 21:15 |
Xiong |
I've said much, too. I've said anyone who whines to me about an inability to search a kilometer radius from his spawn can go fish. |
| 21:16 |
Xiong |
You've indicated otherwise. That's the distinction I highlight. |
| 21:16 |
Shara |
No, I really haven't. |
| 21:16 |
Shara |
I've simply provided scenarios where certain things need to be balanced. |
| 21:17 |
Xiong |
Yes. And my fulcrum is not near yours. |
| 21:17 |
Shara |
You've chosen to interpret them as my personal stances, which they aren't in all cases. My server isn't targetted for children, for example. |
| 21:18 |
Xiong |
I prefer a challenge. I prefer to offer a challenge. If most balk, fine. |
| 21:18 |
Shara |
Oddly, I am no different. I just understand that that isn't the only approach. |
| 21:20 |
Shara |
Anyway, I have things to do. Bye for now. |
| 21:20 |
Xiong |
I dislike asking for help of any kind in a game... or granting it. It's next door to cheating. Real life is a little different. I help willingly... but even so, there's a bar. Failure makes success possible. |
| 21:20 |
scr267 |
To be fair: I like the other approach, don't spend too much time reading docs and just get into it and ask for help when needed... I'll explain why: |
| 21:20 |
scr267 |
Minetest for me was initially just basic "escape" - a short break time. |
| 21:21 |
scr267 |
Now it's a bit different. |
| 21:21 |
Xiong |
Good. |
| 21:21 |
scr267 |
But at that point in the beginning, I just needed a few minutes of fun here and there... I didn't really want to go and spend time perusing the net just to figure out how the game worked. |
| 21:21 |
scr267 |
other players were kind enough to offer the assistance I required to get going... |
| 21:21 |
scr267 |
Its great when there is doc that covers it all though :) |
| 21:22 |
scr267 |
But it certainly isn't going to work for everyone. |
| 21:22 |
scr267 |
Just my 2 cents |
| 21:25 |
Xiong |
Okay. |
| 21:26 |
Ruslan1 |
Hi scr267 |
| 21:28 |
Xiong |
And I joined a server, moved a few km from spawn, and experimented. Did as much as I could without any studyup. One admin wandered out to check on me. I asked about obvious bugs and less obvious weirdness. |
| 21:29 |
Ruslan1 |
scr267: did you join my server |
| 21:29 |
scr267 |
Hi Ruslan1: Yes, I did |
| 21:29 |
Ruslan1 |
Ok |
| 21:29 |
scr267 |
I was just wondering what were the other servers connected to the chat? |
| 21:30 |
scr267 |
I got a message from Mototank but he wasn't in game |
| 21:30 |
Xiong |
I did eventually studyup but I took the world for what it was for some time. It's not really hard to figure out the primitive operations... and coordinating them is the game |
| 21:31 |
Ruslan1 |
scr267: it just like different connections of server and one irc |
| 21:32 |
Xiong |
scr267 Please don't misunderstand me; I don't claim your social view is somehow factually wrong. I merely disagree with it. I prefer a technical view and think it morally good. |
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scr267 |
Ruslan1: Sure I figured, I just wondered which it was... are they all you servers? |
| 21:33 |
Ruslan1 |
No |
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Ruslan1 |
scr267: I have only one server |
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scr267 |
Ruslan1: Oh ok, so your server is connected by chat to other servers? |
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Ruslan1 |
Yes |
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scr267 |
Ruslan1: Which ones?? I was looking for Mototank and was curious where he was. |
| 21:38 |
scr267 |
I didn't see them in the list. |
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Giorge |
Havent been here in a while. I wanted to thank you rubenwardy. Your advice about MT app problems helped me and a friend a lot |
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rubenwardy |
Yw! :D |
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Ruslan1 |
Amhi |
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scr267 |
I looked it up in the list and couldn't find it... |
| 21:39 |
scr267 |
is it there? |
| 21:39 |
scr267 |
Oh yeah i see it now |
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scr267 |
never mind. |
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Giorge |
Greetings |
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Giorge |
Im off cya all Minetesters |
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MinetestBot |
[git] stujones11 -> minetest/minetest: Update README.android with current build info (#8026) badecfa https://git.io/fhIaB (2018-12-28T22:31:09Z) |
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oiaohm |
what is the story with minetest.org? |
| 23:00 |
rubenwardy |
It's a site ran by someone who has been excluded from the community for various reasons, including spamming, harassment and doxing |
| 23:00 |
rubenwardy |
Here's some context: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2018-11-27#i_5446137 |
| 23:09 |
oiaohm |
rubenwardy: the site was seaming suspect but it was better ask in case a site change was going on. |
| 23:09 |
oiaohm |
Thanks. |
| 23:11 |
rubenwardy |
Yeah, unfortunately our founder cheaped out on the domain, resulting in the .com and .org being grabbed by other people |
| 23:12 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest isn't an ISP or networking company |
| 23:14 |
oiaohm |
and usa domains don't have au domain rules. |
| 23:15 |
oiaohm |
rubenwardy: https://www.domainregistration.com.au/infocentre/info-domain-cybersquatting.php if it was a org.au domian you would be able to perform this against the minetest.org domain at least and get that domain. |
| 23:22 |
oiaohm |
Even so most of the USA domian companies have rules against sitting on domain names pretending to be someone else. |
| 23:23 |
oiaohm |
Being cheap on domain name aquirement does not mean you have to put up with other attempting to appear to be a fake copy of main project. |
| 23:23 |
oiaohm |
It is something to consider. |
