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01:34 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Re-order some sections. Alphabeticise class reference (#… e4e95e4 https://git.io/f4QIP (2018-06-26T01:34:27Z)
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08:02 MinetestBot [git] mazocomp -> minetest/minetest: Fix libgmp detection (#7488) ae8ae6c https://git.io/f4QBM (2018-06-26T08:00:33Z)
08:04 MinetestBot [git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Fix buffer overrun in SRP (#7484) 7bdf5ea https://git.io/f4QRe (2018-06-26T08:02:26Z)
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13:43 sur3 is xdecor compatible with homedecor and moreblocks?
13:44 rubenwardy I probably wouldn't use them together
13:44 rubenwardy they may have conflicting recipes
13:44 rubenwardy just use xdecor, less bloat :)
13:45 sur3 well I already use homedecor and moreblocks but I'm missing a trampoline thats why I thought to add xdecor as well..
13:46 rubenwardy !mod [jump]
13:46 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Jump Challenge [jump] get as far as you can by rubenwardy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9326
13:46 rubenwardy err
13:46 rubenwardy !mod [jumping]
13:46 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Jumping [jumping] by Jeija - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2957
13:46 Krock > 2012 mod.
13:47 rubenwardy that old already
13:47 rubenwardy :'(
13:48 sur3 yes i thought the same, that xdecor is probably better maintained and could yield some other additional cool blocks..
13:49 sur3 though in the forum it was stated that xdecor i a cutdown version of homedecor, but if it features an addition trampoline it probably features other cool additional stuff as well?
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13:51 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Update settings translations b589352 https://git.io/f4Qxs (2018-06-26T13:38:42Z)
13:51 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Rename CSM flavours to restrictions db42542 https://git.io/f4QxG (2018-06-26T13:38:42Z)
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13:53 sur3 btw can I remove stuff from creative inv?
13:53 rubenwardy not_in_creative_inventory=1 in groups
13:54 sur3 yeah that is when adding stuff, but if it is already added, can I remove it afterwards?
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14:00 sur3 lol I just thought moreblocks is not maintained anymore but Calinou just didnt update the first post and posted an update post in the end of the thread instead :D
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14:12 stormchaser3000 would a 282 GB rollback.sqlite file cause lag on a server?
14:13 stormchaser3000 along with a 38 GB size map?
14:13 stormchaser3000 trying to solve LoS's lag problems
14:19 rubenwardy probably
14:19 rubenwardy worth trimming it
14:30 entuland wow... what does that rollback file contain to be that larger than the map size?
14:31 Krock individual changes in the world since its creation
14:32 entuland oh... so each alteration of each player can be traced back?
14:32 entuland cool
14:34 sur3 !mod moretrees
14:34 MinetestBot sur3: More Trees! [moretrees] by VanessaE - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4394
14:34 sur3 thx Mod
14:34 sur3 *Bot
14:35 entuland uhm... how comes I don't have one such file in my worlds? does it need to be enabled or does it need a mod? wiki has a red link there: https://wiki.minetest.net/Rollback
14:35 red-001 it needs to be enabled
14:36 red-001 it has some serious preformence issues
14:36 entuland eh, I can guess that :)
14:37 red-001 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/search?q=rollback&type=Issues
14:38 entuland uhm... that seems to be a global flag to be set in the advanced settings... I thought it could be toggled on a per-world basis, but probably there is something I'm still missing there...
14:38 red-001 per-world settings aren't really a thing
14:39 red-001 as I'm sure you noticed by now
14:39 red-001 you can tell minetest to use a different path for the config file for every server
14:41 entuland uhm... no, I didn't really noticed that worlds barely know about the enabled mods and not much more than that, I just opened the world.mt file and noticed
14:41 entuland that's okay, good to know for the future
14:41 entuland thanks red-001
14:43 sur3 which mod contains the life tree with the golden apples?
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14:49 sur3 ahh found it its from ethereal
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15:03 sur3 VanessaE and TenPlus1 made so many great mods but its hard to combine then with the dependencies and recommendations, seems they live in different cosmoses xD
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15:04 Ruslan1 I found problems
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15:05 Ruslan1 Anyone
15:05 Ruslan1 Know
15:06 Krock Nice. You may keep these problems because you're the finder of them. Enjoy.
15:06 Ruslan1 Never mind
15:06 Krock I consider frying them, so they're crisp and it'll be a nice snack
15:07 Ruslan1 Ok
15:09 sur3 Hi Ruslan1 it's me kurktu, we met on hameers server ;)
15:11 sur3 !mod nyan
15:11 MinetestBot sur3: Nyancat's heaven [nyanland] by Jeija - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=658
15:11 sur3 !mod nyancat
15:11 MinetestBot sur3: Nyancat's heaven [nyanland] by Jeija - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=658
15:11 sur3 !mod j pup
15:11 MinetestBot sur3: Could not find anything.
15:12 Krock sur3, /query MinetestBot
15:12 sur3 thx
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16:58 Ruslan1 Hi sur3
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17:40 Booming Hello
17:46 srifqi Hey!
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18:37 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Cavegen: Fix errors when getting biome outside mapchunk (#7480) 93661ca https://git.io/f47gR (2018-06-26T18:35:23Z)
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19:22 sur3 ca i unregister nodes or reregister them with different properties? Or would I need to modify minetest.registered_nodes[itemstring] instead somehow?
19:24 sur3 ah I found minetest.unregister_item(name) but is everything an item?
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19:45 paramat you can't register in-game. and yes nodes are items
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20:35 sur3 so it's e.g. not possible to remove diamonds from creative inventory because they are defined as being in inv in minetest_game?
20:36 paramat hmm
20:37 paramat actually. i guess you can unregister them then reregister them with different properties. but this is all done at mod load time, what imeant was you can't do it later during a game session
20:38 paramat try and see
20:38 paramat also
20:38 paramat you can override an item and change it's nodedef
20:39 paramat see MTG farming mod for how
20:39 paramat that's a simpler way to do it
20:40 sur3 yeah I wanted to do it in a mod anyway so thats ok
20:43 sur3 thing is I want people to be creative, but that yielded an deflation where diamonds etc. are worth nothing anymore so I want some items to be removed from the inv to have them as a rare currency only achievable by mining ^^
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20:44 Cornelia sur3: it might be easier to make your own definition for your rare currency item and define an ore block for it.
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20:47 sur3 Ah ok thats an idea I also thought about, but I need to remove some items from creative inv anyway, therefore I thought it would be easier to do it that and kill two birds with one stone, didnt think it was that hard to remove items from creative inv.. :-/
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20:47 embden Hello, my nephew really likes your game, thanks! But I have some questions about the game.
20:48 Cornelia Why are you using a creative inventory if you want people to mine?
20:48 Cornelia (sorry if you explained already, I seemed to have missed that part of the conversation..)
20:49 sur3 Cornelia, I'm trying to combine both worlds, that people have basic stuff to be creative with and more rare stuff only achievable by mining, thought that way I have the best of both worlds mining and creative
20:50 embden For example, I found out that some servers doesn't allow to enter because there is no name/pass. But the problem is that the error message is in English. Maybe it is better to check a server's requrements (about login/pass) and highlight required fields if needed.
20:50 Cornelia Mm... Well if you are having trouble removing items from the creative inventory you could ALSO create a new creative inventory and make it display in your game mode. Call it free raws or something. :P
20:50 sur3 so I dont want to force people who just want to be creative to go mining first, but I also want to reputate miners letting them display special nodes for their house etc. ^^
20:51 entuland embden, as far as I can tell you _must_ provide a username and a password for _any_ server you try to join
20:51 entuland the password will be set for that username the first time you'll use it
20:51 Cornelia Yea.
20:51 Cornelia It's to protect your own player since minetest lacks a centralized account system.
20:52 entuland then if you need you should be able to change the password from the ESC menu _while_ you're logged into that world
20:52 sur3 there are some servers that dont require a password but you should still set one because otherwise others can steal your stuff and worse ^^
20:53 entuland oh it can be made optional? didn't knew that
20:53 embden entuland, my nephew was playing on one server without any pass. And then he tried to enter a Subgames server but the server returned a error message in English. And he doesn't know English almost at all.
20:53 embden So, he had no clue what to do.
20:53 entuland as it seems it's not mandatory for all worlds
20:53 sur3 yeah I had the password optional on my server a long time, that brought real problems.. -/
20:54 entuland but for those that require one, it's not set by the world owner, it's just that you're forced to pick one for yourself
20:54 red-001 embden, is the translation to your language incomplete?
20:55 embden red-001, can server return a locale-based error message?
20:55 sur3 "create a new creative inventory and make it display in your game mode" whats the function to do that?
20:55 sur3 I'm using unified inventory
20:56 red-001 embden, oh I was under the impression this was just the standard message about empty passwords not being allowed
20:56 red-001 which is client-sided
20:56 red-001 translation of server messages is supported but only in 5.0.0-dev
20:57 embden red-001, the error message from a server can't also be copied. ok, that's great
20:57 red-001 huh
20:58 red-001 letting people code that easily is a decent idea
20:58 red-001 copy**
20:59 embden I also have a question: how to make the game fullscreen?
21:01 Cornelia sur3: basically there's code to create other inventories, like the creative one, and display it. You'd have to add items to it but then you can probably use unified inventory to add a tab or something for your new inventory.
21:01 red-001 you don't
21:01 red-001 I mean there is a setting for it but it is hopelessly broken
21:01 Cornelia sur3: I recommend rubenwardy's mod book. :P
21:02 sur3 ohh, so it's better to try remove the items from the default creative inv?
21:02 Cornelia It might be easier.. or harder. :P
21:03 rubenwardy Lol
21:03 rubenwardy Use not in creative inventory
21:03 rubenwardy Or remove all creative tabs and add your own
21:03 rubenwardy This is like 10-20 lines
21:04 Cornelia Sur3 wants to remove existing items from that inventory.. dunno how hard it'd be.
21:04 rubenwardy I just said
21:05 sur3 rubenwardy, but how can I use no_in_creative_inventory on already existing items?
21:06 embden red-001, can you give me a link to the issue?
21:06 sur3 or how do I remove or add creative tabs?
21:06 red-001 I guess https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4921
21:08 embden thanks
21:08 Cornelia sur3: there should be a redefine option for existing items.
21:08 paramat sur3 override the nodedef to change the groups
21:12 sur3 something like:
21:12 sur3 minetest.registered_items[default:diamond].groups[#groups+1]={not_in_creative_inventory=1}
21:13 sur3 ?
21:14 entuland uhm... no, doesn't sound right sur3
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21:15 embden it is also interesting is there something like a world of tanks mod?
21:16 entuland sur3, "groups" is a table that contains keys / values directly, not subtables
21:16 entuland minetest.registered_items[default:diamond].groups.not_in_creative_inventory = 1
21:16 entuland probably
21:16 sur3 oh ok thanks
21:16 entuland of course you also need to wrap default:diamond
21:16 entuland as a string
21:17 entuland and I would also first test _if_ whatever definition you're altering is there or not
21:17 entuland unless you're sure about it from previous checks in your code
21:18 entuland (default:diamond is MTG stuff, if you run your code in a different game it may fail)
21:18 entuland IIRC
21:19 rubenwardy sur3: yes!
21:19 rubenwardy entuland, sur3: copy groups and use override_item
21:20 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/food/blob/master/food/init.lua#L56-L63
21:21 rubenwardy 1. editing groups like that will change more than one node, and nodes share group tables most of the time
21:21 rubenwardy 2. override_item is needed to update the engine
21:23 sur3 oh ok
21:27 entuland oh, thanks for the clarification, rubenwardy... inspecting a node I've seen that groups was just a simple table and I assumed it was the same in the definition
21:27 rubenwardy it is
21:28 rubenwardy in default they use the same table for lots of things
21:28 rubenwardy hence why you need to copy
21:28 entuland I see
21:30 entuland that stuff would be probably better proxied with getters / setters, but I guess that by now too many mods may be relying on accessing them directly
21:39 paramat can't you just use override _item and set the group table for a node and add 'not in creative'? as i wrote earlier see farming mod https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/0df2753a68f43e8e759e5c201183464e66d24449/mods/farming/nodes.lua#L1
21:42 sur3 paramat, but then I have to copy all properties from the item first because I have to set them all right? It's not add_item but override_item.. ^^
21:43 sur3 my idea is I make a list of items that should get the not_in.. group added and then the property is just added to every item in the list I defined ^^
21:43 paramat ok yes
21:43 paramat need some code then :)
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22:23 sur3 Ok works, thanks for the help, now I just have to add a lot of items to the list ^^
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22:26 sur3 btw is there a fast way to get the item strings of items in-game?
22:33 stormchaser3000 what actions get logged to the rollback.sqlite file?
22:34 stormchaser3000 the new rollback.sqlite file for LoS is already 2 GB in size
22:34 stormchaser3000 and that is just from today
22:34 embden red-001, I can't really understand from the fullscreen mode issue description what the problem is
22:34 red-001 It might work on your system
22:35 red-001 but it tends to cause a wide range of issues
22:35 embden red-001, no it doesn't work in Win10 and in Linux
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23:07 LemonFox Hello everyone,
23:07 LemonFox I need some help on modding
23:07 LemonFox I wish to add a ... structure but in a area changing form
23:08 LemonFox simply i want to add a meteorite
23:08 LemonFox but i want it to make a large crater around it
23:08 LemonFox so i think this is more mapgen than building
23:09 LemonFox However i do not want to make a mapgen which makes everything else different
23:09 LemonFox Any Advice?
23:10 entuland not sure I get _when_ exactly you want that operation to be performed
23:10 entuland you want that stuff to appear randomly across the world?
23:10 LemonFox AT mapgen time
23:10 LemonFox randomly placed yes
23:11 LemonFox i want the moteorite to be inside a crater though which is why i think its a mapgen modification
23:12 entuland yep, then you most probably need to act at mapgen time (which I know nothing of) - I'm a workaround guy, so if I had a hook that tells me that a chunk has just been generated (in my mod), I could eventually check coords / nodes to see if I can operate there directly messing with a voxel manipulator or the alike
23:12 LemonFox I was hoping paramat would be on - he is probably the king of mapgens
23:12 entuland eheheheh
23:13 entuland out of luck, you stumbled on a noob for the moment :P
23:13 LemonFox also the meteor would be multiple chunks large
23:14 LemonFox your not a noob
23:14 LemonFox i only normally mod simple stuff
23:14 LemonFox this is my crazy project
23:16 entuland eheheh too kind of you, but yes, I'm a noob in minetest, despite the mods I've made
23:16 entuland that surely looks like a nice project
23:16 entuland why don't you inspect some mapgen mods to see how they operate and fiddle with them for starters?
23:17 Cornelia LemonFox, I think you'll have to use the voxel manipulator for that.
23:19 Cornelia LemonFox: Would this be a random event that happens? Or meteors that gen in when the world is created.
23:19 LemonFox i planning on pre gen
23:19 Cornelia Okay..
23:19 LemonFox i suppose it could crash from the sky ...
23:20 LemonFox would you let a meteor destroy hafl of your mansion if you new of the value inside
23:21 entuland eheheh
23:25 LemonFox Very valuable items inside
23:25 LemonFox and good building blocks as stone
23:25 LemonFox shiny black stone
23:26 * Cornelia points to the MC mod "MeteorCraft" by Reika. :P
23:27 Cornelia But yes.. I think you'll need to use the Voxel Manipulator, some peeling noise to figure out where to spawn your meteors during generation, and something to run the code once when a chunk is gen'd.
23:27 Cornelia *perlon
23:27 Cornelia *perlin
23:28 LemonFox not like that mod
23:28 LemonFox that uses ore and is disgusting
23:29 Cornelia Opinión.
23:29 LemonFox custom dark stone is what i plan to use
23:29 Cornelia *o
23:29 entuland Opiniòn ahahahah
23:30 LemonFox more like the Applied energestics
23:30 entuland that sounded cool, cause it sounded french / spanish with the different stress on the "o"
23:30 Cornelia I have four languages enabled on my phone.. it likes to take a random guess every time I start typing.
23:30 entuland eheheh
23:30 Cornelia It was Spanish. :P
23:30 Cornelia I think.. :p
23:31 Cornelia Yea.
23:31 entuland :)
23:31 Cornelia It's coming from the Spanish Gboard.
23:31 paramat oh i'm on now
23:33 paramat i actually coded a meteorite mod years ago that added small on-mapgen craters
23:33 paramat it ran in normal mapgens, scanned what nodes were around and scattered them around the crater
23:33 Cornelia Neato.
23:35 paramat but yes use the lua voxel manipulator
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23:35 Cornelia They were the one trying to add meteorites.
23:37 paramat yeah just saw :)
23:37 Cornelia How would you hook into chunk generation?
23:39 entuland is that the on_generate() thing I found in lua_api?
23:39 paramat it would work like a core-mapgen altering mod such as https://github.com/paramat/roadv7
23:39 paramat yes 'on generated'
23:40 entuland uhm... so in the end my "workaround" by coincidence was actually the way it works?
23:40 Cornelia Heh. I couldn't remember the function to do it. on_generate() was what I was wanting to know. :P
23:49 paramat !tell LemonFox see https://github.com/paramat/roadv7 as a good example of how to add a structure to a core mapgen at mapgen time
23:49 MinetestBot paramat: yeah, sure, whatever
23:52 paramat nice project, a giant impact crater

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