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swift110 |
sup rubenwardy |
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sur3 |
kanns sein dass die userlimit funtion in mintest 0.4.17 noch nicht existiert? o.O |
| 01:04 |
sur3 |
sry |
| 01:04 |
sur3 |
I mean |
| 01:04 |
sur3 |
is it possible the userlimit function does not exist in 0.4.17? |
| 01:06 |
sur3 |
ah yes minetest.register_can_bypass_userlimit is a 5.0.0 feature it seem.. :-/ |
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sur3 |
I want to detect if a player hurts an other player, is minetest.register_on_punchnode(function(pos, node, puncher, pointed_thing) the right function for that? |
| 09:33 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 09:33 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 09:34 |
rubenwardy |
does it like like the right one? ;) |
| 09:34 |
rubenwardy |
you want minetest.register_on_punchplayer |
| 09:34 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2821 |
| 09:35 |
rubenwardy |
*look like |
| 09:35 |
sur3 |
ah ok tried diffferent combinations of node.name:is_player() but they all threw error, but that explains then ^^ |
| 09:36 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 09:36 |
rubenwardy |
node.name is a string |
| 09:36 |
rubenwardy |
a node is never a player, they're completely different things |
| 09:37 |
sur3 |
ah ok didnt understand the difference between nodes and objects |
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sur3 |
thought they were some subset |
| 09:38 |
sur3 |
isn't everything an object in lua? |
| 09:39 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 09:39 |
rubenwardy |
a node is a node |
| 09:39 |
rubenwardy |
a player is an object |
| 09:39 |
sur3 |
ok |
| 09:39 |
rubenwardy |
an entity is also an object |
| 09:39 |
sur3 |
so nodes are only blocks? |
| 09:40 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 09:40 |
rubenwardy |
nodes are nodes |
| 09:40 |
rubenwardy |
XD |
| 09:40 |
rubenwardy |
!dev terminology |
| 09:40 |
MinetestBot |
"Minetest and its components" - http://dev.minetest.net/terminology |
| 09:40 |
rubenwardy |
"blocks" is ambiguous as Minetest uses stupid naming |
| 09:40 |
rubenwardy |
there's no such thing as a block in Minetest |
| 09:41 |
rubenwardy |
there's a mapblock, which is 16x16 nodes |
| 09:41 |
rubenwardy |
and there are nodes, which players usually call nodes |
| 09:41 |
rubenwardy |
*blocks |
| 09:41 |
rubenwardy |
and there are nodes, which players usually call blocks |
| 09:41 |
sur3 |
ah ok |
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sur3 |
an entity is an object written in lua, isnt every object defined in lua? |
| 09:42 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 09:42 |
rubenwardy |
an entity has an associated Lua table |
| 09:42 |
rubenwardy |
but the object is in C++ |
| 09:42 |
sur3 |
ah ok |
| 09:42 |
rubenwardy |
which is why you do get_luaentity() -> returns the lua table |
| 09:42 |
rubenwardy |
and .object -> returns the object which is C++ |
| 09:43 |
sur3 |
is that the difference why I see sometimes :is_player and sometimes .is_player ? |
| 09:43 |
rubenwardy |
no, that's because Minetest is a bit stupid |
| 09:43 |
rubenwardy |
those are both calls to the C++ object |
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sur3 |
oh ok, so : and . are the same? |
| 09:44 |
rubenwardy |
I believe the latter is usually done as if object.is_player then |
| 09:44 |
rubenwardy |
no, : in syntactic sugar for passing in the table. So player:foo() is exactly the same as player.foo(player) |
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sur3 |
ahh ok |
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AlexYst |
Since when is the term "blocks" ambiguous? Those are always map blocks, never nodes, though some nodes are named "<X> Block", such as steel blocks. |
| 10:05 |
AlexYst |
The page you linked to also agrees: "Blocks or Mapblocks are 16??16??16 groups of nodes.". |
| 10:05 |
rubenwardy |
it's ambiguous as people use it to refer to nodes |
| 10:06 |
AlexYst |
Peopel using the term incorrectly means they don't know what they're talking about, not that the term itself is ambiguous. |
| 10:07 |
AlexYst |
"Sectors" is an unfamiliar term to me. A stack of map blocks from the top of the world to the bottom ... Any idea what context it's useful in? |
| 10:08 |
rubenwardy |
worth noting I wrote that page |
| 10:09 |
AlexYst |
Ha ha, duly noted. Still, even before reading it, I've always been under the impression that the term "block" never refers to nodes when used correctly. |
| 10:10 |
AlexYst |
The "subgame" term being outdated is news to me too. I think Minetest still uses it, but I could be wrong. |
| 10:10 |
* AlexYst |
opens Minetest and tries to make it spit out that word |
| 10:11 |
rodskagg |
if i was to set up a minetest server what version should i use? |
| 10:12 |
rubenwardy |
if you're being correct, then block == MapBlock |
| 10:12 |
rubenwardy |
rodskagg: 0.4.16 or 0.4.17.1 |
| 10:12 |
AlexYst |
rubenwardy: Right, that's what I was saying. |
| 10:12 |
rodskagg |
thanks. :) |
| 10:12 |
AlexYst |
rodskagg: I'd go with the latest stable version, 0.4.17 ... .1? |
| 10:13 |
* AlexYst |
was unaware of this fourth version number segment |
| 10:13 |
AlexYst |
It ... doesn't show up in the application. |
| 10:13 |
* AlexYst |
is confused as to where this number is coming from |
| 10:14 |
rubenwardy |
it was added just for that |
| 10:14 |
rubenwardy |
a bit stupid |
| 10:14 |
rubenwardy |
the next version is 5.0.0 |
| 10:14 |
rubenwardy |
so technically we'll have that 4th segment coming in future too |
| 10:14 |
rubenwardy |
and the first is removed |
| 10:15 |
AlexYst |
Wait. 5.0.0, not 0.5.0? That's not a typo? |
| 10:15 |
sur3 |
is there no += or ++ in lua? |
| 10:15 |
AlexYst |
sur3: Nope, sadly. |
| 10:15 |
sur3 |
ah ok |
| 10:16 |
AlexYst |
You can do "x = x + 1" though. |
| 10:16 |
sur3 |
ok like old qbasic era :D |
| 10:17 |
AlexYst |
Okay, I couldn't make the game spit out the word "subgame" like I thought I could, but the word appears in the source code several times, including but not limited to in file names. |
| 10:17 |
sur3 |
yeah it's alive :D |
| 10:23 |
rubenwardy |
sur3: because -- are comments |
| 10:23 |
rubenwardy |
AlexYst: game |
| 10:24 |
rubenwardy |
the minetest engine runs games ;) |
| 10:24 |
rubenwardy |
!title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19808 |
| 10:24 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Subgames have been renamed to Games - Minetest Forums |
| 10:24 |
sur3 |
ah ok yes -- being comments i weird anyway :F |
| 10:25 |
rubenwardy |
agreed |
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* rubenwardy |
prefers # or plain old // |
| 10:25 |
rubenwardy |
does Lua even use # or // as operators? |
| 10:26 |
AlexYst |
rubenwardy: Your page says not to call it the engine though. |
| 10:26 |
rubenwardy |
the page is probably wrong |
| 10:26 |
rubenwardy |
!dev terminology |
| 10:26 |
MinetestBot |
"Minetest and its components" - http://dev.minetest.net/terminology |
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AlexYst |
Lua doesn't use pound signs or slashes. I've tried. |
| 10:26 |
rubenwardy |
ah right |
| 10:27 |
rubenwardy |
well, Minetest == the Minetest engine |
| 10:27 |
rubenwardy |
I was being specific and pointing out that Minetest was a [game] engine |
| 10:27 |
rubenwardy |
the (Minetest) engine |
| 10:27 |
rubenwardy |
not the (Minetest Engine) |
| 10:29 |
sur3 |
whats the command to write in the log file? print seems not to work.. |
| 10:29 |
rubenwardy |
minetest.log(level, message) |
| 10:29 |
sur3 |
ok |
| 10:29 |
rubenwardy |
where level is info, verbose, warning, or error |
| 10:29 |
sur3 |
I've seen print used somewhere, does that do anything? |
| 10:29 |
rubenwardy |
it goes to the console |
| 10:29 |
rubenwardy |
but not to debug.txt |
| 10:30 |
rubenwardy |
good for debugging |
| 10:30 |
sur3 |
ok |
| 10:34 |
rodskagg |
that was easy. |
| 10:34 |
rodskagg |
yum install minetest minetest-server |
| 10:35 |
rodskagg |
running 1.4.16 on my centos server. |
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rodskagg |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example < does that include all the server settings? |
| 10:43 |
rubenwardy |
yes, rodskagg |
| 10:43 |
rodskagg |
thanks. |
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sur3 |
itemstring for whie wool? |
| 11:31 |
sur3 |
twhite |
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sur3 |
never mind ^^ |
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Andrey01 |
Is next version 0.5.0 or 5.0.0? Some users said something 0.5.0 will. |
| 14:06 |
rubenwardy |
5.0.0 |
| 14:07 |
Andrey01 |
Oh, it means will next version be very very big? |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
well, it will be as it's been worked on for over a year |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
however we've just gotten rid of the 0. |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
so it might as well be 0.5.0 compared to 0.4.17 |
| 14:08 |
rubenwardy |
but with the new scheme it's 5.0.0 compared to 4.17.1 |
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rodskagg |
minetestserver seems to be ignoring minetest.conf. i've added this line... |
| 14:18 |
rodskagg |
default_privs = interact, shout, give, teleport, bring, fast, fly, noclip, settime |
| 14:18 |
rodskagg |
...but when i run /privs in the game nothing has changed. |
| 14:19 |
rubenwardy |
default_privs only applies to new players |
| 14:19 |
rubenwardy |
you probably don't want bring in there |
| 14:19 |
rubenwardy |
or settime |
| 14:19 |
rubenwardy |
and with give you probably want creative as well |
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rodskagg |
creative is a priv? |
| 14:20 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 14:20 |
rubenwardy |
not sure if it's in 0.4.16 |
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rodskagg |
my server is 0.4.16, my client is 0.4.15. is that a problem? |
| 14:21 |
rubenwardy |
probabyl not |
| 14:21 |
rodskagg |
cool. thanks. |
| 14:26 |
Krock |
0.4.16 is a problem if you don't want to host a creative server |
| 14:27 |
Krock |
use minetest_game 0.4.17 if you cannot update the server yet |
| 14:27 |
Krock |
the reason for that is a security issue in creative itself which allows anyone to use it using the right client mods |
| 14:28 |
Krock |
s/anyone/everyone/ |
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rodskagg |
ah |
| 14:36 |
rodskagg |
is there a file in a mod that tells you all the materials it adds to the game? |
| 14:36 |
rubenwardy |
materials? |
| 14:36 |
rubenwardy |
if you mean node types, then no |
| 14:36 |
rodskagg |
like bricks, wood etc. |
| 14:36 |
rodskagg |
are they called nodes? |
| 14:36 |
Krock |
grep -r minetest.register_node |
| 14:36 |
rubenwardy |
you'll have to go through and look for minetest.register_node and minetest.register_craftitem |
| 14:37 |
rubenwardy |
or use a craft guide |
| 14:37 |
rubenwardy |
!mod [craftguide] |
| 14:37 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Crafting Guide [craftguide] by jp - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14088 |
| 14:37 |
rodskagg |
thanks. :) |
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Krock |
!next |
| 14:45 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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Andrey01 |
What does an error mean when i am trying to call minetest.debug(): invalid value (table) at index 1 in tablefor 'concat'? |
| 14:57 |
rubenwardy |
that's not a function |
| 14:58 |
rubenwardy |
use print() for debug prints |
| 14:58 |
rubenwardy |
and minetest.log("info", message) |
| 14:58 |
rubenwardy |
also, the error means what is says |
| 14:58 |
rubenwardy |
my bad, it is a function |
| 14:59 |
rubenwardy |
you shouldn't pass in a table |
| 14:59 |
rubenwardy |
it's for minetest.debug("this is a thing: ", 123) |
| 15:06 |
rubenwardy |
!mod [c_doors] |
| 15:06 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: c_doors[c_doors] by TumeniNodes - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=16423 |
| 15:08 |
Andrey01 |
The value that i`ve put in minetest.debug() arguements list is a table. Really can i not pass it? |
| 15:09 |
rubenwardy |
use minetest.log("info", dumpy(t)) instead |
| 15:09 |
rubenwardy |
*dump |
| 15:09 |
Andrey01 |
ok |
| 15:10 |
rubenwardy |
also consider using print for debug output |
| 15:10 |
rubenwardy |
print(dump(t)) |
| 15:10 |
rubenwardy |
doesn't go to debug.txt |
| 15:10 |
rubenwardy |
which is badly named really |
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Andrey01 |
But i want to print the value in debug.txt. How to do it? minetest.log() doesn`t seem to print it there. |
| 15:22 |
rubenwardy |
minetest.log does |
| 15:22 |
rubenwardy |
make sure you have the right level |
| 15:24 |
Andrey01 |
Loglevel? I used "info". And it doesn`t work. |
| 15:25 |
rubenwardy |
what's your loglevel setting? |
| 15:25 |
rubenwardy |
search in adv settings |
| 15:26 |
Andrey01 |
I don`t know where "adv settings" is. |
| 15:27 |
rubenwardy |
Settings -> Advanced |
| 15:27 |
rubenwardy |
:P |
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Andrey01 |
I`ve called minetest.debug(dump(<name of my some var>)) and it has worked. |
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rubenwardy |
ew |
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rubenwardy |
that's inefficient |
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Andrey01 |
Why? I have everything works well. |
| 15:37 |
rubenwardy |
it has an unnecessary concat |
| 15:38 |
rubenwardy |
minetest.debug is literally equivilent to minetest.log("info", table.concat({ ... })) |
| 15:38 |
rubenwardy |
oh wait |
| 15:38 |
rubenwardy |
it's none |
| 15:38 |
rubenwardy |
that's odd |
| 15:38 |
rubenwardy |
try minetest.log(dump(var)) |
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Andrey01 |
Does get_properties() exist? |
| 16:33 |
Andrey01 |
function |
| 16:36 |
rubenwardy |
try reading lua_api |
| 16:36 |
ANAND |
!api Andrey01 |
| 16:36 |
MinetestBot |
Andrey01, someone thinks you should read the API docs, please go to: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
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ANAND |
:D |
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Andrey01 |
I read dev.minetest.net, there is no such function there |
| 16:37 |
ANAND |
The dev wiki is not the complete reference and neither is it official |
| 16:37 |
Andrey01 |
there is set_properties() on that dev wiki |
| 16:38 |
ANAND |
Andrey01: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4058 |
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Andrey01 |
ok, i`ve found that function |
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Andrey01 |
lua_api.txt is so messy, it is sometimes hard to find something what necessary, could the repo`s owners split up the lua_api.txt file into several parts please? |
| 16:54 |
paramat |
we're considering it |
| 16:55 |
paramat |
the dev wiki is often out of date or incomplete, always check lua_api.txt as well. but yes it is messy |
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entuland |
even just providing a straight copy of it as lua_api.md would be great to read it on github |
| 17:46 |
ANAND |
The obvious issue is that two places need to be updated |
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entuland |
symlink it :P |
| 17:47 |
ANAND |
lol |
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entuland |
I'm looking at it in Atom with the github formatting |
| 17:47 |
entuland |
looks way better |
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entuland |
oh well, the file could simply be renamed from .txt to .md, for that matter |
| 17:48 |
Krock |
not that again please |
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entuland |
ehehehe |
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Astrobe |
Provide it as a Lua table. So people can make lua programs to format it the way they like :D |
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serp |
you must learn lua to read the api docs |
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Astrobe |
Code = Data = Doc. I've achieved the Great Unification of Programming forces. |
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Astrobe |
yw. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] bell07 -> minetest/minetest_game: Disallow digging a bed if in use 5692c15 https://git.io/fY19x (2018-06-19T21:07:01Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Biome dust: Revert fix that added dust to mod structures (#7464) 8638932 https://git.io/fY1HL (2018-06-19T21:09:42Z) |
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Lupercus |
hello IcyDiamond you around? |
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IcyDiamond |
Hi |
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Lupercus |
hi IcyDiamond was going to ask you how much area the prot blocks protected but i figured it out |
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Lupercus |
11x11 noded |
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Lupercus |
nodes* |
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Lupercus |
i was hoping to use areas, but it wont let me |
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lumberJ |
too bad |
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lumberJ |
:P |
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Lupercus |
it has areas on it, but players cant use it |
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lumberJ |
i think by default they can't |
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lumberJ |
you have to configure it to allow players to protect their areas |
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Lupercus |
yeah i know |
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lumberJ |
should have used that areas priv while you had it |
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Ruslan1 |
ANAND: are you here |
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Ruslan1 |
sfan5: hi |
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entuland |
RFC, sort of: https://github.com/entuland/rhotator |
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entuland |
that's my shot at a saner screwdriver |
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lumberJ |
what makes it saner, entuland? |
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entuland |
the fact that you can always predict with certainty the outcome of your actions ignoring the detail about the orientation of each node |
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lumberJ |
nice |
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entuland |
I hope it will be "saner" for others as well, comments and suggestions are always welcome |
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lumberJ |
well, hopefully its easier to use than it sounds like it would be to code :P |
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entuland |
oh it is a pretty simple mod in the end |
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lumberJ |
i'm not going to mess with this minute but i'll definitely do some testing in the future |
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entuland |
good |
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entuland |
matrices really make a difference there, for the coding part |
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lumberJ |
mathemagic |
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entuland |
:) |
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lumberJ |
that almost makes me look forward to taking some calculus courses |
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entuland |
eheheh |
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entuland |
I must admit that I'm still very ignorant about the various mods available in the game |
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lumberJ |
you might consider having the mod replace the default when installed |
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entuland |
but the ones I have tested out fall short on properly handling arbitrary rotations, using facedir tables and whatnot |
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entuland |
matrices really saved my brain when making bot the wesh mod and this one |
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entuland |
oh no I am not going to replace it, in particular cause my screwdriver lacks any check about permission areas and only rotates "facedir" nodes |
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lumberJ |
i see |
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entuland |
still a lot of work to do before considering it as a proper mod |
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entuland |
I wanted to share it as a WIP to have feedback |
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entuland |
[rhotator] |
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entuland |
wrong paste |
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entuland |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20321 |
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lumberJ |
nice |
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lumberJ |
will give it a test sometime soon |
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entuland |
take your time, no rush :) |
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entuland |
I appreciate the interest |
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