Time  Nick         Message
00:33 swift110     sup rubenwardy
01:03 sur3         kanns sein dass die userlimit funtion in mintest 0.4.17 noch nicht existiert? o.O
01:04 sur3         sry
01:04 sur3         I mean
01:04 sur3         is it possible the userlimit function does not exist in 0.4.17?
01:06 sur3         ah yes minetest.register_can_bypass_userlimit is a 5.0.0 feature it seem.. :-/
09:33 sur3         I want to detect if a player hurts an other player, is minetest.register_on_punchnode(function(pos, node, puncher, pointed_thing) the right function for that?
09:33 rubenwardy   no
09:33 rubenwardy   lol
09:34 rubenwardy   does it like like the right one? ;)
09:34 rubenwardy   you want minetest.register_on_punchplayer
09:34 rubenwardy   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2821
09:35 rubenwardy   *look like
09:35 sur3         ah ok tried diffferent combinations of node.name:is_player() but they all threw error, but that explains then ^^
09:36 rubenwardy   lol
09:36 rubenwardy   node.name is a string
09:36 rubenwardy   a node is never a player, they're completely different things
09:37 sur3         ah ok didnt understand the difference between nodes and objects
09:37 sur3         thought they were some subset
09:38 sur3         isn't everything an object in lua?
09:39 rubenwardy   no
09:39 rubenwardy   a node is a node
09:39 rubenwardy   a player is an object
09:39 sur3         ok
09:39 rubenwardy   an entity is also an object
09:39 sur3         so nodes are only blocks?
09:40 rubenwardy   no
09:40 rubenwardy   nodes are nodes
09:40 rubenwardy   XD
09:40 rubenwardy   !dev terminology
09:40 MinetestBot  "Minetest and its components" - http://dev.minetest.net/terminology
09:40 rubenwardy   "blocks" is ambiguous as Minetest uses stupid naming
09:40 rubenwardy   there's no such thing as a block in Minetest
09:41 rubenwardy   there's a mapblock, which is 16x16 nodes
09:41 rubenwardy   and there are nodes, which players usually call nodes
09:41 rubenwardy   *blocks
09:41 rubenwardy   and there are nodes, which players usually call blocks
09:41 sur3         ah ok
09:42 sur3         an entity is an object written in lua, isnt every object defined in lua?
09:42 rubenwardy   no
09:42 rubenwardy   an entity has an associated Lua table
09:42 rubenwardy   but the object is in C++
09:42 sur3         ah ok
09:42 rubenwardy   which is why you do  get_luaentity()   -> returns the lua table
09:42 rubenwardy   and   .object   -> returns the object which is C++
09:43 sur3         is that the difference why I see sometimes :is_player and sometimes .is_player ?
09:43 rubenwardy   no, that's because Minetest is a bit stupid
09:43 rubenwardy   those are both calls to the C++ object
09:44 sur3         oh ok, so : and . are the same?
09:44 rubenwardy   I believe the latter is usually done as       if object.is_player then
09:44 rubenwardy   no,  : in syntactic sugar for passing in the table. So    player:foo()   is exactly the same as    player.foo(player)
09:44 sur3         ahh ok
10:04 AlexYst      Since when is the term "blocks" ambiguous? Those are always map blocks, never nodes, though some nodes are named "<X> Block", such as steel blocks.
10:05 AlexYst      The page you linked to also agrees: "Blocks or Mapblocks are 16??16??16 groups of nodes.".
10:05 rubenwardy   it's ambiguous as people use it to refer to nodes
10:06 AlexYst      Peopel using the term incorrectly means they don't know what they're talking about, not that the term itself is ambiguous.
10:07 AlexYst      "Sectors" is an unfamiliar term to me. A stack of map blocks from the top of the world to the bottom ... Any idea what context it's useful in?
10:08 rubenwardy   worth noting I wrote that page
10:09 AlexYst      Ha ha, duly noted. Still, even before reading it, I've always been under the impression that the term "block" never refers to nodes when used correctly.
10:10 AlexYst      The "subgame" term being outdated is news to me too. I think Minetest still uses it, but I could be wrong.
10:10 * AlexYst    opens Minetest and tries to make it spit out that word
10:11 rodskagg     if i was to set up a minetest server what version should i use?
10:12 rubenwardy   if you're being correct, then block == MapBlock
10:12 rubenwardy   rodskagg: 0.4.16 or 0.4.17.1
10:12 AlexYst      rubenwardy: Right, that's what I was saying.
10:12 rodskagg     thanks. :)
10:12 AlexYst      rodskagg: I'd go with the latest stable version, 0.4.17 ... .1?
10:13 * AlexYst    was unaware of this fourth version number segment
10:13 AlexYst      It ... doesn't show up in the application.
10:13 * AlexYst    is confused as to where this number is coming from
10:14 rubenwardy   it was added just for that
10:14 rubenwardy   a bit stupid
10:14 rubenwardy   the next version is 5.0.0
10:14 rubenwardy   so technically we'll have that 4th segment coming in future too
10:14 rubenwardy   and the first is removed
10:15 AlexYst      Wait. 5.0.0, not 0.5.0? That's not a typo?
10:15 sur3         is there no += or ++ in lua?
10:15 AlexYst      sur3: Nope, sadly.
10:15 sur3         ah ok
10:16 AlexYst      You can do "x = x + 1" though.
10:16 sur3         ok like old qbasic era :D
10:17 AlexYst      Okay, I couldn't make the game spit out the word "subgame" like I thought I could, but the word appears in the source code several times, including but not limited to in file names.
10:17 sur3         yeah it's alive :D
10:23 rubenwardy   sur3: because -- are comments
10:23 rubenwardy   AlexYst: game
10:24 rubenwardy   the minetest engine runs games ;)
10:24 rubenwardy   !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19808
10:24 MinetestBot  rubenwardy: Subgames have been renamed to Games - Minetest Forums
10:24 sur3         ah ok yes -- being comments i weird anyway :F
10:25 rubenwardy   agreed
10:25 * rubenwardy prefers # or plain old //
10:25 rubenwardy   does Lua even use # or // as operators?
10:26 AlexYst      rubenwardy: Your page says not to call it the engine though.
10:26 rubenwardy   the page is probably wrong
10:26 rubenwardy   !dev terminology
10:26 MinetestBot  "Minetest and its components" - http://dev.minetest.net/terminology
10:26 AlexYst      Lua doesn't use pound signs or slashes. I've tried.
10:26 rubenwardy   ah right
10:27 rubenwardy   well, Minetest == the Minetest engine
10:27 rubenwardy   I was being specific and pointing out that Minetest was a [game] engine
10:27 rubenwardy   the (Minetest) engine
10:27 rubenwardy   not   the (Minetest Engine)
10:29 sur3         whats the command to write in the log file? print seems not to work..
10:29 rubenwardy   minetest.log(level, message)
10:29 sur3         ok
10:29 rubenwardy   where level is info, verbose, warning, or error
10:29 sur3         I've seen print used somewhere, does that do anything?
10:29 rubenwardy   it goes to the console
10:29 rubenwardy   but not to debug.txt
10:30 rubenwardy   good for debugging
10:30 sur3         ok
10:34 rodskagg     that was easy.
10:34 rodskagg     yum install minetest minetest-server
10:35 rodskagg     running 1.4.16 on my centos server.
10:39 rodskagg     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example < does that include all the server settings?
10:43 rubenwardy   yes, rodskagg
10:43 rodskagg     thanks.
11:30 sur3         itemstring for whie wool?
11:31 sur3         twhite
11:32 sur3         never mind ^^
14:05 Andrey01     Is next version 0.5.0 or 5.0.0? Some users said something 0.5.0 will.
14:06 rubenwardy   5.0.0
14:07 Andrey01     Oh, it means will next version be very very big?
14:08 rubenwardy   well, it will be as it's been worked on for over a year
14:08 rubenwardy   however we've just gotten rid of the 0.
14:08 rubenwardy   so it might as well be 0.5.0 compared to 0.4.17
14:08 rubenwardy   but with the new scheme it's  5.0.0 compared to 4.17.1
14:18 rodskagg     minetestserver seems to be ignoring minetest.conf. i've added this line...
14:18 rodskagg     default_privs = interact, shout, give, teleport, bring, fast, fly, noclip, settime
14:18 rodskagg     ...but when i run /privs in the game nothing has changed.
14:19 rubenwardy   default_privs only applies to new players
14:19 rubenwardy   you probably don't want bring in there
14:19 rubenwardy   or settime
14:19 rubenwardy   and with give you probably want creative as well
14:20 rodskagg     creative is a priv?
14:20 rubenwardy   yes
14:20 rubenwardy   not sure if it's in 0.4.16
14:21 rodskagg     my server is 0.4.16, my client is 0.4.15. is that a problem?
14:21 rubenwardy   probabyl not
14:21 rodskagg     cool. thanks.
14:26 Krock        0.4.16 is a problem if you don't want to host a creative server
14:27 Krock        use minetest_game 0.4.17 if you cannot update the server yet
14:27 Krock        the reason for that is a security issue in creative itself which allows anyone to use it using the right client mods
14:28 Krock        s/anyone/everyone/
14:35 rodskagg     ah
14:36 rodskagg     is there a file in a mod that tells you all the materials it adds to the game?
14:36 rubenwardy   materials?
14:36 rubenwardy   if you mean node types, then no
14:36 rodskagg     like bricks, wood etc.
14:36 rodskagg     are they called nodes?
14:36 Krock        grep -r minetest.register_node
14:36 rubenwardy   you'll have to go through and look for minetest.register_node and minetest.register_craftitem
14:37 rubenwardy   or use a craft guide
14:37 rubenwardy   !mod [craftguide]
14:37 MinetestBot  rubenwardy: Crafting Guide [craftguide] by jp - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14088
14:37 rodskagg     thanks. :)
14:45 Krock        !next
14:45 MinetestBot  Another satisfied customer. Next!
14:57 Andrey01     What does an error mean when i am trying to call minetest.debug(): invalid value (table) at index 1 in tablefor 'concat'?
14:57 rubenwardy   that's not a function
14:58 rubenwardy   use print() for debug prints
14:58 rubenwardy   and minetest.log("info", message)
14:58 rubenwardy   also, the error means what is says
14:58 rubenwardy   my bad, it is a function
14:59 rubenwardy   you shouldn't pass in a table
14:59 rubenwardy   it's for      minetest.debug("this is a thing: ", 123)
15:06 rubenwardy   !mod [c_doors]
15:06 MinetestBot  rubenwardy: c_doors[c_doors] by TumeniNodes - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=16423
15:08 Andrey01     The value that i`ve put in minetest.debug() arguements list is a table. Really can i not pass it?
15:09 rubenwardy   use   minetest.log("info", dumpy(t))   instead
15:09 rubenwardy   *dump
15:09 Andrey01     ok
15:10 rubenwardy   also consider using print for debug output
15:10 rubenwardy   print(dump(t))
15:10 rubenwardy   doesn't go to debug.txt
15:10 rubenwardy   which is badly named really
15:22 Andrey01     But i want to print the value in debug.txt. How to do it? minetest.log() doesn`t seem to print it there.
15:22 rubenwardy   minetest.log does
15:22 rubenwardy   make sure you have the right level
15:24 Andrey01     Loglevel? I used "info". And it doesn`t work.
15:25 rubenwardy   what's your loglevel setting?
15:25 rubenwardy   search in adv settings
15:26 Andrey01     I don`t know where "adv settings" is.
15:27 rubenwardy   Settings -> Advanced
15:27 rubenwardy   :P
15:33 Andrey01     I`ve called minetest.debug(dump(<name of my some var>)) and it has worked.
15:35 rubenwardy   ew
15:35 rubenwardy   that's inefficient
15:36 Andrey01     Why? I have everything works well.
15:37 rubenwardy   it has an unnecessary concat
15:38 rubenwardy   minetest.debug is literally equivilent to     minetest.log("info", table.concat({ ... }))
15:38 rubenwardy   oh wait
15:38 rubenwardy   it's none
15:38 rubenwardy   that's odd
15:38 rubenwardy   try   minetest.log(dump(var))
16:33 Andrey01     Does get_properties() exist?
16:33 Andrey01     function
16:36 rubenwardy   try reading lua_api
16:36 ANAND        !api Andrey01
16:36 MinetestBot  Andrey01, someone thinks you should read the API docs, please go to: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
16:36 ANAND        :D
16:36 Andrey01     I read dev.minetest.net, there is no such function there
16:37 ANAND        The dev wiki is not the complete reference and neither is it official
16:37 Andrey01     there is set_properties() on that dev wiki
16:38 ANAND        Andrey01: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4058
16:39 Andrey01     ok, i`ve found that function
16:45 Andrey01     lua_api.txt is so messy, it is sometimes hard to find something what necessary, could the repo`s owners split up the lua_api.txt file into several parts please?
16:54 paramat      we're considering it
16:55 paramat      the dev wiki is often out of date or incomplete, always check lua_api.txt as well. but yes it is messy
17:45 entuland     even just providing a straight copy of it as lua_api.md would be great to read it on github
17:46 ANAND        The obvious issue is that two places need to be updated
17:47 entuland     symlink it :P
17:47 ANAND        lol
17:47 entuland     I'm looking at it in Atom with the github formatting
17:47 entuland     looks way better
17:48 entuland     oh well, the file could simply be renamed from .txt to .md, for that matter
17:48 Krock        not that again please
17:48 entuland     ehehehe
18:12 Astrobe      Provide it as a Lua table. So people can make lua programs to format it the way they like :D
18:12 serp         you must learn lua to read the api docs
18:13 Astrobe      Code = Data = Doc. I've achieved the Great Unification of Programming forces.
18:14 Astrobe      yw.
21:08 MinetestBot  02[git] 04bell07 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Disallow digging a bed if in use 135692c15 https://git.io/fY19x (152018-06-19T21:07:01Z)
21:11 MinetestBot  02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Biome dust: Revert fix that added dust to mod structures (#7464) 138638932 https://git.io/fY1HL (152018-06-19T21:09:42Z)
21:29 Lupercus     hello IcyDiamond you around?
21:38 IcyDiamond   Hi
22:19 Lupercus     hi IcyDiamond was going to ask you how much area the prot blocks protected but i figured it out
22:19 Lupercus     11x11 noded
22:19 Lupercus     nodes*
22:19 Lupercus     i was hoping to use areas, but it wont let me
22:20 lumberJ      too bad
22:20 lumberJ      :P
22:21 Lupercus     it has areas on it, but players cant use it
22:22 lumberJ      i think by default they can't
22:22 lumberJ      you have to configure it to allow players to protect their areas
22:22 Lupercus     yeah i know
22:23 lumberJ      should have used that areas priv while you had it
22:40 Ruslan1      ANAND: are you here
22:41 Ruslan1      sfan5: hi
23:02 entuland     RFC, sort of: https://github.com/entuland/rhotator
23:03 entuland     that's my shot at a saner screwdriver
23:05 lumberJ      what makes it saner, entuland?
23:05 entuland     the fact that you can always predict with certainty the outcome of your actions ignoring the detail about the orientation of each node
23:06 lumberJ      nice
23:06 entuland     I hope it will be "saner" for others as well, comments and suggestions are always welcome
23:07 lumberJ      well, hopefully its easier to use than it sounds like it would be to code :P
23:08 entuland     oh it is a pretty simple mod in the end
23:08 lumberJ      i'm not going to mess with this minute but i'll definitely do some testing in the future
23:08 entuland     good
23:08 entuland     matrices really make a difference there, for the coding part
23:09 lumberJ      mathemagic
23:10 entuland     :)
23:10 lumberJ      that almost makes me look forward to taking some calculus courses
23:13 entuland     eheheh
23:14 entuland     I must admit that I'm still very ignorant about the various mods available in the game
23:14 lumberJ      you might consider having the mod replace the default when installed
23:14 entuland     but the ones I have tested out fall short on properly handling arbitrary rotations, using facedir tables and whatnot
23:15 entuland     matrices really saved my brain when making bot the wesh mod and this one
23:15 entuland     oh no I am not going to replace it, in particular cause my screwdriver lacks any check about permission areas and only rotates "facedir" nodes
23:15 lumberJ      i see
23:16 entuland     still a lot of work to do before considering it as a proper mod
23:16 entuland     I wanted to share it as a WIP to have feedback
23:16 entuland     [rhotator]
23:16 entuland     wrong paste
23:16 entuland     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20321
23:17 lumberJ      nice
23:18 lumberJ      will give it a test sometime soon
23:18 entuland     take your time, no rush :)
23:18 entuland     I appreciate the interest