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clavi |
what are the pros/cons of redis and postgres for servers? |
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Calinou |
clavi: see https://wiki.minetest.net/Database_backends#Comparison_table |
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clavi |
I know that table |
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Calinou |
you should probably favor PostgreSQL for a server, it is well-maintained and performs well |
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Calinou |
(I'm using it) |
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clavi |
e.g. reliability - "good" vs "very good" |
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clavi |
what does that mean :D |
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Calinou |
it can also store player files, which the Redis back-end cannot do |
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Calinou |
PostgreSQL is just more "tried and proven", so it has lots of utilities available |
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clavi |
and I can make database backups while the server is running, right? |
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blaise |
as opposed to litesql? |
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clavi |
yes |
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blaise |
can't they use the same db file? |
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pgimeno_ |
right, you can |
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clavi |
sqlite is a different database engine, it can't use the same file as postgres |
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blaise |
so you could use what ever resources are available to you depending on your needs |
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clavi |
is postgres support compiled in by default? |
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blaise |
hrmmmmm |
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Calinou |
clavi: yes, if you have the PostgreSQL libraries installed; else, no |
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blaise |
seems like there was some insanity with running radiusdb or something |
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blaise |
where it keeps the entire map in ram |
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blaise |
which is perfectly fine if you have a billion gigs of ram... |
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blaise |
redis |
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blaise |
that's what it was, redis |
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blaise |
hrmm..... what's this spatial support for.... |
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progysm |
hmm, even netcat seems to work from the external ip |
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blaise |
hrmm? |
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Calinou |
today, we're celebrating the 6 years of the 0.4_20120122 release, the last 0.4 pre-release which didn't feature sound support |
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Fixer |
waaat |
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blaise |
oh? |
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blaise |
lol |
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Fixer |
i had sound support in 0.2.2011 |
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Fixer |
played it on windows xp back then |
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Fixer |
i'm pretty sure there was sound |
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progysm |
with minetest: I can connect to <localip>:30000 , can't connect to <externalip>:30000, But with netcat, I can do <localip>:30000 and <externalip>:30000 |
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Calinou |
progysm: Minetest uses UDP, remember |
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Calinou |
so if you forwarded a port due to a NAT, you need to allow UDP |
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Calinou |
(TCP doesn't even need to be allowed, in fact) |
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progysm |
yes, netcat -u -l ... |
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Calinou |
Fixer: no, releases up to 0.3.1 did not feature sound |
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Calinou |
progysm: is it an IPv4 or IPv6? |
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progysm |
and my BIND9 server work on UDP (ipv4) |
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progysm |
weird, http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server <-- they say TCP and UDP 30000 there |
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blaise |
progysm: probably for media |
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progysm |
they send media with curl? |
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jordan4ibanez |
How does one add sounds to clientmods? |
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progysm |
what if I do something really stupid and run it as root on another port... |
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progysm |
nope, stupidity doesn't help |
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blaise |
lol |
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blaise |
I |
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artimax |
Has anybody successfully ran a minetest server on CentOS? |
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blaise |
I've never had any problems.. even with my own personal router which I used openwrt on |
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artimax |
I can run minetest server but i cant connect to it |
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blaise |
artimax: not even on the localhost? |
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artimax |
after everthing ive tried i think it might be something I dont understand about RedHat distributions |
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artimax |
its on a headless server |
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artimax |
ive never tried it as localhost |
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blaise |
so ssh in and look for the open port with netstat -a |
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artimax |
I used nmap but not netstat |
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artimax |
one sec |
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blaise |
netstat -a | less |
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blaise |
should be at the top somewhere |
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artimax |
what am i looking for? |
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artimax |
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:30000 0.0.0.0:* |
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blaise |
yep, that's it |
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artimax |
ok thanks |
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blaise |
so it's listening on all interfaces at port 30000 for a connection from a minetest client |
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progysm |
I find easier to find it with netstat -lnup |
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Lone-Star |
progysm: if you are on the same network, you will not be able to connect via the external ip, only internal ip |
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blaise |
you can use bind to have it only listent on a specific port if you like, in the minetest.conf |
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artimax |
I have it to the internal IP. I have never had a problem hosting local games before |
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artimax |
but they have always been on Debian systems |
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artimax |
This is the first problem Ive had which It why I thought it might be CentOS |
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progysm |
Lone-Star, can you connect to minetest.progysm.com 30000 ? |
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artimax |
ah. ill look into that |
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blaise |
Lone-Star: that has not been my experience, if it was goose egged out for all interfaces, unless your isp is a bag of dicks, you should be able to connect |
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artimax |
yea, when im out i just set my router to forward to whichever machine im hosting on currently |
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artimax |
Im trying to move permanantly to my r710 rn tho |
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Lone-Star |
blaise: or the router does not allow loopback. i think thats what it is. some routers will not allow the use of ext ip on loacal net |
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blaise |
the router will not be aware of the loopback interface except for it's own loopback interface |
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progysm |
but it works for all other service, like imap, bind9 (udp), http |
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blaise |
each machine will have it's own, which is isolated from all the rest |
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blaise |
that's why they call them loopback |
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blaise |
you shouldn't be useing the loopback interface anyway.. unless you're trying to connect to the minetest server you have running on the same machine you're using the client on |
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Lone-Star |
progysm: connection timed out |
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progysm |
yeah, that's what I get |
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blaise |
lol |
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blaise |
you can't connect to 127.0.0.1 on a machine that is not the machine that you're working from |
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blaise |
aka the loopback network |
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Lone-Star |
guess my isp are dicks. i can never connect to my home server(s) via ext ip. only with my phone and wifi disabled |
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artimax |
If you can you should get your own modem and router |
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artimax |
I saw an speed increase when i did that |
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blaise |
if it's a windows machine it could very well be the windows firewall, and if you have an isp based router it could be that too |
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blaise |
I' |
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blaise |
I |
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blaise |
GAH DAMNAH!! |
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Lone-Star |
yeah, check the os's firewall |
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blaise |
I've never ever used isp provisioned hardware |
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blaise |
I don't trust them |
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artimax |
Its the worst |
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Lone-Star |
i dont use isp hardware, use my own |
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blaise |
I |
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progysm |
wait, there was something on the server... |
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progysm |
*someone |
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blaise |
I'm so not used to this keyboard... lol |
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Lone-Star |
they dont like that fact either. once they totally disable my modem and said it was burnt out and "HAD" to get another. so I got one of theirs. started to notice weird shit happening, so after a few months called tech support to try and activate "my" modem. guess what, my modem was fine and nothing wrong with it |
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stormchaser3000 |
when building minetest 0.5 on android am i supposed to use android ndk r11c? or am i supposed to use a newer one (i want to test building stu's c++11 fork) |
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Lone-Star |
told them what the other tech had said about mine being no good, and he apologized and looked up the name of the tech that screwed me and was reported to the higher ups, at least thats what the email that was sent to me said |
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progysm |
wow, it works now.... |
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progysm |
but not from the interior |
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Lone-Star |
i connected this time. i had typo first time, lol |
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blaise |
lol |
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Lone-Star |
progysm: is this a home server? |
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progysm |
yes |
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Lone-Star |
where you located? seems to be pretty stable as far as lag |
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progysm |
I won't annouce it on the server list until I hack a lot of modules.. |
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progysm |
montreal |
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Lone-Star |
nice |
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progysm |
I've got 3d_armor.. but don't have the module to put them on... |
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Lone-Star |
the dreambuilder modpack is nice, has just about everything ya need, i run that on my personal server |
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Lone-Star |
i just run that on lan, trying to get my kids away from minecraft, lol |
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blaise |
bless you sir |
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artimax |
Thats what got me into modding |
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artimax |
I wanted to provide an alternative for my brother and his friends |
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Lone-Star |
got a build bot set up to build the latest once a week, even done a few very simple mods. scripting is not a strong skill for me |
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blaise |
I run a public server and just use the stable release |
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blaise |
mostly becuase if I use latest git clone stable release clients might not work |
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Lone-Star |
i coded a simple fence mod to keep animals and players from jumping over, still doesnt fix the jump bug though |
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blaise |
hrmm |
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progysm |
oh that's unified_inventory... |
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Lone-Star |
my only public released mod -- https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18298&hilit=extended_fence |
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Lone-Star |
the others i did are just for personal use |
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jas_ |
so i go to test a thing, real quick, so i spawn a fresh world and i'm suddenly greeted with all this text, and a form to boot! https://i.imgur.com/4DEX2HC.png i must have stared at it here for a good minute before thinking, "i'll just hit one of the buttons and see what happens" -- fortunately, it worked and i was able to get into the game and test my mod. |
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dogetest |
such security |
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jas_ |
:O https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/7s17yw/zandronum_jump_physics_are_wild/ |
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dogetest |
I've got my subgame running: dogetest.minecity.online |
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blaise |
jas_: I prefer Phoenix Theory, myself... |
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blaise |
jas_: could you imagine being confronted with that prompt after building on a server for 5 years? |
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jas_ |
what's Phoenix Theory? |
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dogetest |
which mod should I use for 3d armor? |
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blaise |
jas_: http://www.hoverbrothers.com/theory/ |
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blaise |
dogetest: I use 3d_armor |
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blaise |
lmao |
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dogetest |
oh, I may have cloned the old one |
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blaise |
dogetest: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4654 |
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dogetest |
yes |
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dogetest |
how to clone the specific .5.0 branch? |
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dogetest |
ha! got it |
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blaise |
I wonder if anyone is going to play on my server... :{ |
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blaise |
I mean, I enjoy building.. and I'm definitly content with enjoying my creations.. ] |
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blaise |
but I wonder if others think if I do good work? |
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blaise |
and if there is something I could do to make it better? |
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jas_ |
wtf? |
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blaise |
jas_: What seems to be the problem? |
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jas_ |
i clicked on your link |
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blaise |
oh, it's not my link.. I just think they might be on to something |
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jas_ |
i don't know what that is, and after ten or fifteen seconds on that page, i don't want to either. |
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blaise |
lmao |
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jas_ |
why did you paste it? what is it in reference to? |
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blaise |
it's quantum physics theory |
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jas_ |
i guess i don't understand why you shared it with me specifically |
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blaise |
becuase of the link that you shared before that |
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blaise |
lol |
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jas_ |
OHHHHHH |
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jas_ |
i get it now, because it said physics in it |
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blaise |
=) |
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jas_ |
pretty well unrelated, actually though -- one is a doom jump track |
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blaise |
I know, I was making a pretty dry joke.. |
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jas_ |
a link to a submission to reddit, in fct |
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blaise |
I'm sorry |
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blaise |
you were refrencing physics in a game |
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blaise |
I was refrencing actual physics.. |
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jas_ |
: ) |
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jas_ |
do me a wikipedia next time |
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blaise |
k.. |
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jas_ |
!google Phoenix Theory |
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jas_ |
i thought that worked i guess not |
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jas_ |
there are as many quantum theories as there are quarks, i'd imagine |
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blaise |
I'm not sure the bot has the google script, that or we don't have the perms to use it |
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jas_ |
just yesterday krock was showing me binary stuff, and that confused me so i'm sorry |
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blaise |
nice |
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jas_ |
that page on top of the binary stuff (that you can represent so much, even sound, with 1 and 0) just overloaded me haha |
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jas_ |
apologies for my roughness, i've been in a super sour mood :))))) |
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blaise |
yeah, back in the early 90's when I started delving in to assembly I was having nightmares in binary code |
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blaise |
it was awful |
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jas_ |
wow |
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jas_ |
i had a cool dream one time i was bunny hopping off old village roofs in quake one |
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jas_ |
but felt the physics, the glide and the jump. it wasn't a regular bunny hop, it was a dream bunny hop |
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blaise |
indeed |
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jas_ |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qSKAYgtAzo i had a dream once there was a field of cotton in minetest |
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jas_ |
it was pretty large, glistening in the in-game sun |
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blaise |
oh? |
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jas_ |
it whispered, "we're watching you" |
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jas_ |
hahahah |
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blaise |
jas_: would you care to make that dream a reality? |
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jas_ |
you want me to farm a cotton field on your server? |
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blaise |
only if that is something you care to do... |
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jas_ |
well i just recently converted the 50/50 wheat/cotton on dcbl to 100% cotton |
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jas_ |
so it's already all set, thanks, and i'm going outside now for a respiratory treatment |
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blaise |
ah, so it already is a reality... |
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jas_ |
idd :D |
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blaise |
cheers |
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aidalgol |
Greetings, fellow blockheads! |
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blaise |
damn |
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blaise |
I'm having a problem with advanced trains |
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blaise |
I guess I'll ask tomorrow when people are on |
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MinetestBot |
[git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: [CSM] Don't Load the package library (#6944) d6050be https://git.io/vN2QC (2018-01-22T07:34:49Z) |
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[git] 20kdc -> minetest-mods/mesecons: Improve LuaController security (#393) 065e870 https://git.io/vNakD (2018-01-22T11:26:21Z) |
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Megaf[m] |
Hi? |
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Raven262 |
Hi Megaf[m] |
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swift110-phone_ |
Hey Raven262 |
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Raven262 |
o/ |
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danSNDBX |
i am going to upload a new video now :) |
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danSNDBX |
hej everyone, i just uploaded a new minetest video. Please check it out and leave a comment, thx for your time and feedback: https://youtu.be/4Bd37JN_-X8 |
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dogetest |
dogecoin (testnet) server (.5 version): dogetest.minecity.online |
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progysm |
so how do you build a small duck ? |
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viaken |
new duck("Ping"); |
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danSNDBX |
:D |
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t20kdc |
...the duck's called Ping? |
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t20kdc |
Or...? |
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danSNDBX |
you can give it a name via comment on YT :D |
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progysm |
the duck has only one leg? |
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progysm |
and why are the wings not in the same material that the feathers? |
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dogetest |
https://imgur.com/2puuRpH |
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danSNDBX |
<3 |
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dogetest |
is master branch 0.5? |
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dogetest |
I'm linking sfan5's build server for windows users. Where should I send unix users? |
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Calinou |
dogetest: "compile the source, lol" :/ |
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Calinou |
since there's no distribution-independent builds right now |
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dogetest |
so, master branch? |
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Calinou |
your best bet is https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/pipelines but the UI is terrible |
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progysm |
unix ? |
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adfeno |
Calinou dogetest progysm: I think GNU Guix provides distro independent package. |
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Calinou |
in theory, but in practice it doesn't |
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a "distro-independent package" is something that can be used without installing anything |
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Calinou |
so, for example, an AppImage |
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