Time Nick Message 00:11 clavi what are the pros/cons of redis and postgres for servers? 00:16 Calinou clavi: see https://wiki.minetest.net/Database_backends#Comparison_table 00:16 clavi I know that table 00:16 Calinou you should probably favor PostgreSQL for a server, it is well-maintained and performs well 00:16 Calinou (I'm using it) 00:16 clavi e.g. reliability - "good" vs "very good" 00:16 clavi what does that mean :D 00:16 Calinou it can also store player files, which the Redis back-end cannot do 00:17 Calinou PostgreSQL is just more "tried and proven", so it has lots of utilities available 00:17 clavi and I can make database backups while the server is running, right? 00:18 blaise as opposed to litesql? 00:18 clavi yes 00:18 blaise can't they use the same db file? 00:19 pgimeno_ right, you can 00:19 clavi sqlite is a different database engine, it can't use the same file as postgres 00:22 blaise so you could use what ever resources are available to you depending on your needs 00:23 clavi is postgres support compiled in by default? 00:23 blaise hrmmmmm 00:34 Calinou clavi: yes, if you have the PostgreSQL libraries installed; else, no 00:43 blaise seems like there was some insanity with running radiusdb or something 00:43 blaise where it keeps the entire map in ram 00:44 blaise which is perfectly fine if you have a billion gigs of ram... 00:44 blaise redis 00:45 blaise that's what it was, redis 00:46 blaise hrmm..... what's this spatial support for.... 00:52 progysm hmm, even netcat seems to work from the external ip 00:55 blaise hrmm? 00:55 Calinou today, we're celebrating the 6 years of the 0.4_20120122 release, the last 0.4 pre-release which didn't feature sound support 00:56 Fixer waaat 00:56 blaise oh? 00:56 blaise lol 00:56 Fixer i had sound support in 0.2.2011 00:57 Fixer played it on windows xp back then 00:57 Fixer i'm pretty sure there was sound 00:57 progysm with minetest: I can connect to :30000 , can't connect to :30000, But with netcat, I can do :30000 and :30000 00:58 Calinou progysm: Minetest uses UDP, remember 00:58 Calinou so if you forwarded a port due to a NAT, you need to allow UDP 00:58 Calinou (TCP doesn't even need to be allowed, in fact) 00:59 progysm yes, netcat -u -l ... 00:59 Calinou Fixer: no, releases up to 0.3.1 did not feature sound 00:59 Calinou progysm: is it an IPv4 or IPv6? 00:59 progysm and my BIND9 server work on UDP (ipv4) 01:10 progysm weird, http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server <-- they say TCP and UDP 30000 there 01:15 blaise progysm: probably for media 01:17 progysm they send media with curl? 01:24 jordan4ibanez How does one add sounds to clientmods? 01:25 progysm what if I do something really stupid and run it as root on another port... 01:28 progysm nope, stupidity doesn't help 01:32 blaise lol 01:32 blaise I 01:32 artimax Has anybody successfully ran a minetest server on CentOS? 01:33 blaise I've never had any problems.. even with my own personal router which I used openwrt on 01:33 artimax I can run minetest server but i cant connect to it 01:33 blaise artimax: not even on the localhost? 01:33 artimax after everthing ive tried i think it might be something I dont understand about RedHat distributions 01:33 artimax its on a headless server 01:34 artimax ive never tried it as localhost 01:34 blaise so ssh in and look for the open port with netstat -a 01:34 artimax I used nmap but not netstat 01:34 artimax one sec 01:35 blaise netstat -a | less 01:35 blaise should be at the top somewhere 01:35 artimax what am i looking for? 01:36 artimax udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:30000 0.0.0.0:* 01:36 blaise yep, that's it 01:36 artimax ok thanks 01:36 blaise so it's listening on all interfaces at port 30000 for a connection from a minetest client 01:36 progysm I find easier to find it with netstat -lnup 01:36 Lone-Star progysm: if you are on the same network, you will not be able to connect via the external ip, only internal ip 01:37 blaise you can use bind to have it only listent on a specific port if you like, in the minetest.conf 01:37 artimax I have it to the internal IP. I have never had a problem hosting local games before 01:37 artimax but they have always been on Debian systems 01:37 artimax This is the first problem Ive had which It why I thought it might be CentOS 01:38 progysm Lone-Star, can you connect to minetest.progysm.com 30000 ? 01:38 artimax ah. ill look into that 01:38 blaise Lone-Star: that has not been my experience, if it was goose egged out for all interfaces, unless your isp is a bag of dicks, you should be able to connect 01:38 artimax yea, when im out i just set my router to forward to whichever machine im hosting on currently 01:39 artimax Im trying to move permanantly to my r710 rn tho 01:40 Lone-Star blaise: or the router does not allow loopback. i think thats what it is. some routers will not allow the use of ext ip on loacal net 01:40 blaise the router will not be aware of the loopback interface except for it's own loopback interface 01:40 progysm but it works for all other service, like imap, bind9 (udp), http 01:41 blaise each machine will have it's own, which is isolated from all the rest 01:41 blaise that's why they call them loopback 01:42 blaise you shouldn't be useing the loopback interface anyway.. unless you're trying to connect to the minetest server you have running on the same machine you're using the client on 01:42 Lone-Star progysm: connection timed out 01:42 progysm yeah, that's what I get 01:42 blaise lol 01:43 blaise you can't connect to 127.0.0.1 on a machine that is not the machine that you're working from 01:43 blaise aka the loopback network 01:43 Lone-Star guess my isp are dicks. i can never connect to my home server(s) via ext ip. only with my phone and wifi disabled 01:43 artimax If you can you should get your own modem and router 01:44 artimax I saw an speed increase when i did that 01:44 blaise if it's a windows machine it could very well be the windows firewall, and if you have an isp based router it could be that too 01:44 blaise I' 01:44 blaise I 01:44 blaise GAH DAMNAH!! 01:44 Lone-Star yeah, check the os's firewall 01:44 blaise I've never ever used isp provisioned hardware 01:44 blaise I don't trust them 01:44 artimax Its the worst 01:45 Lone-Star i dont use isp hardware, use my own 01:46 blaise I 01:46 progysm wait, there was something on the server... 01:47 progysm *someone 01:47 blaise I'm so not used to this keyboard... lol 01:49 Lone-Star they dont like that fact either. once they totally disable my modem and said it was burnt out and "HAD" to get another. so I got one of theirs. started to notice weird shit happening, so after a few months called tech support to try and activate "my" modem. guess what, my modem was fine and nothing wrong with it 01:50 stormchaser3000 when building minetest 0.5 on android am i supposed to use android ndk r11c? or am i supposed to use a newer one (i want to test building stu's c++11 fork) 01:51 Lone-Star told them what the other tech had said about mine being no good, and he apologized and looked up the name of the tech that screwed me and was reported to the higher ups, at least thats what the email that was sent to me said 02:05 progysm wow, it works now.... 02:05 progysm but not from the interior 02:08 Lone-Star i connected this time. i had typo first time, lol 02:11 blaise lol 02:14 Lone-Star progysm: is this a home server? 02:15 progysm yes 02:15 Lone-Star where you located? seems to be pretty stable as far as lag 02:15 progysm I won't annouce it on the server list until I hack a lot of modules.. 02:16 progysm montreal 02:16 Lone-Star nice 02:16 progysm I've got 3d_armor.. but don't have the module to put them on... 02:19 Lone-Star the dreambuilder modpack is nice, has just about everything ya need, i run that on my personal server 02:20 Lone-Star i just run that on lan, trying to get my kids away from minecraft, lol 02:21 blaise bless you sir 02:23 artimax Thats what got me into modding 02:23 artimax I wanted to provide an alternative for my brother and his friends 02:23 Lone-Star got a build bot set up to build the latest once a week, even done a few very simple mods. scripting is not a strong skill for me 02:25 blaise I run a public server and just use the stable release 02:25 blaise mostly becuase if I use latest git clone stable release clients might not work 02:26 Lone-Star i coded a simple fence mod to keep animals and players from jumping over, still doesnt fix the jump bug though 02:27 blaise hrmm 02:29 progysm oh that's unified_inventory... 02:35 Lone-Star my only public released mod -- https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18298&hilit=extended_fence 02:35 Lone-Star the others i did are just for personal use 03:38 jas_ so i go to test a thing, real quick, so i spawn a fresh world and i'm suddenly greeted with all this text, and a form to boot! https://i.imgur.com/4DEX2HC.png i must have stared at it here for a good minute before thinking, "i'll just hit one of the buttons and see what happens" -- fortunately, it worked and i was able to get into the game and test my mod. 03:45 dogetest such security 03:58 jas_ :O https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/7s17yw/zandronum_jump_physics_are_wild/ 04:18 dogetest I've got my subgame running: dogetest.minecity.online 04:26 blaise jas_: I prefer Phoenix Theory, myself... 04:27 blaise jas_: could you imagine being confronted with that prompt after building on a server for 5 years? 04:29 jas_ what's Phoenix Theory? 04:30 dogetest which mod should I use for 3d armor? 04:31 blaise jas_: http://www.hoverbrothers.com/theory/ 04:31 blaise dogetest: I use 3d_armor 04:31 blaise lmao 04:32 dogetest oh, I may have cloned the old one 04:34 blaise dogetest: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4654 04:34 dogetest yes 04:36 dogetest how to clone the specific .5.0 branch? 04:37 dogetest ha! got it 04:43 blaise I wonder if anyone is going to play on my server... :{ 04:43 blaise I mean, I enjoy building.. and I'm definitly content with enjoying my creations.. ] 04:44 blaise but I wonder if others think if I do good work? 04:44 blaise and if there is something I could do to make it better? 04:46 jas_ wtf? 04:46 blaise jas_: What seems to be the problem? 04:46 jas_ i clicked on your link 04:47 blaise oh, it's not my link.. I just think they might be on to something 04:47 jas_ i don't know what that is, and after ten or fifteen seconds on that page, i don't want to either. 04:48 blaise lmao 04:48 jas_ why did you paste it? what is it in reference to? 04:48 blaise it's quantum physics theory 04:48 jas_ i guess i don't understand why you shared it with me specifically 04:49 blaise becuase of the link that you shared before that 04:49 blaise lol 04:49 jas_ OHHHHHH 04:49 jas_ i get it now, because it said physics in it 04:49 blaise =) 04:49 jas_ pretty well unrelated, actually though -- one is a doom jump track 04:50 blaise I know, I was making a pretty dry joke.. 04:50 jas_ a link to a submission to reddit, in fct 04:50 blaise I'm sorry 04:50 blaise you were refrencing physics in a game 04:50 blaise I was refrencing actual physics.. 04:50 jas_ : ) 04:50 jas_ do me a wikipedia next time 04:50 blaise k.. 04:51 jas_ !google Phoenix Theory 04:51 jas_ i thought that worked i guess not 04:51 jas_ there are as many quantum theories as there are quarks, i'd imagine 04:51 blaise I'm not sure the bot has the google script, that or we don't have the perms to use it 04:52 jas_ just yesterday krock was showing me binary stuff, and that confused me so i'm sorry 04:52 blaise nice 04:52 jas_ that page on top of the binary stuff (that you can represent so much, even sound, with 1 and 0) just overloaded me haha 04:52 jas_ apologies for my roughness, i've been in a super sour mood :))))) 04:53 blaise yeah, back in the early 90's when I started delving in to assembly I was having nightmares in binary code 04:53 blaise it was awful 04:54 jas_ wow 04:54 jas_ i had a cool dream one time i was bunny hopping off old village roofs in quake one 04:54 jas_ but felt the physics, the glide and the jump. it wasn't a regular bunny hop, it was a dream bunny hop 04:54 blaise indeed 04:55 jas_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qSKAYgtAzo i had a dream once there was a field of cotton in minetest 04:55 jas_ it was pretty large, glistening in the in-game sun 04:55 blaise oh? 04:55 jas_ it whispered, "we're watching you" 04:55 jas_ hahahah 04:56 blaise jas_: would you care to make that dream a reality? 04:56 jas_ you want me to farm a cotton field on your server? 04:56 blaise only if that is something you care to do... 04:57 jas_ well i just recently converted the 50/50 wheat/cotton on dcbl to 100% cotton 04:57 jas_ so it's already all set, thanks, and i'm going outside now for a respiratory treatment 04:57 blaise ah, so it already is a reality... 04:57 jas_ idd :D 04:57 blaise cheers 06:11 aidalgol Greetings, fellow blockheads! 07:02 blaise damn 07:02 blaise I'm having a problem with advanced trains 07:18 blaise I guess I'll ask tomorrow when people are on 07:35 MinetestBot 02[git] 04red-001 -> 03minetest/minetest: [CSM] Don't Load the package library (#6944) 13d6050be https://git.io/vN2QC (152018-01-22T07:34:49Z) 09:35 aidalgol Where is the minetest user config file/folder? I'm surprised this isn't in the FAQ. 11:27 MinetestBot 02[git] 0420kdc -> 03minetest-mods/mesecons: Improve LuaController security (#393) 13065e870 https://git.io/vNakD (152018-01-22T11:26:21Z) 17:07 Megaf[m] Hi? 17:08 Raven262 Hi Megaf[m] 17:58 swift110-phone_ Hey Raven262 18:01 Raven262 o/ 19:22 danSNDBX i am going to upload a new video now :) 20:05 danSNDBX hej everyone, i just uploaded a new minetest video. Please check it out and leave a comment, thx for your time and feedback: https://youtu.be/4Bd37JN_-X8 20:37 dogetest dogecoin (testnet) server (.5 version): dogetest.minecity.online 21:35 progysm so how do you build a small duck ? 21:45 viaken new duck("Ping"); 21:46 danSNDBX :D 21:46 t20kdc ...the duck's called Ping? 21:47 t20kdc Or...? 21:47 danSNDBX you can give it a name via comment on YT :D 21:54 progysm the duck has only one leg? 21:57 progysm and why are the wings not in the same material that the feathers? 22:05 dogetest https://imgur.com/2puuRpH 22:11 danSNDBX <3 22:15 dogetest is master branch 0.5? 22:17 dogetest I'm linking sfan5's build server for windows users. Where should I send unix users? 22:19 Calinou dogetest: "compile the source, lol" :/ 22:19 Calinou since there's no distribution-independent builds right now 22:19 dogetest so, master branch? 22:19 Calinou your best bet is https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/pipelines but the UI is terrible 22:57 progysm unix ? 23:00 adfeno Calinou dogetest progysm: I think GNU Guix provides distro independent package. 23:07 Calinou in theory, but in practice it doesn't 23:07 Calinou a "distro-independent package" is something that can be used without installing anything 23:07 Calinou so, for example, an AppImage