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00:48	OldCoder	Grandolf, hello. TommyTreasure, conflicts occur but are often easy to resolve.
00:49	behalebabo	TommyTreasure: in the case of baked clay and ethereal, they are designed to work together.
00:49	behalebabo	ethereal will use baked clay's nodes if they are installed
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01:01	Grandolf	hi OldCoder
01:01	Grandolf	hi goodkey
01:02	* OldCoder	wonders if there is a badkey
01:02	Grandolf	:P
01:02	OldCoder	Good Key, Bad Key, let us see, what Key is right for you and what is right for me?
01:03	Grandolf	skelletonkey
01:03	Grandolf	hm
01:04	Grandolf	kiwi
01:04	Grandolf	(keywi)
01:07	OldCoder	Skelleton Key is very different from Skeleton Key
01:07	OldCoder	Keep this in mind
01:08	OldCoder	Skelleton Key
01:08	OldCoder	is difficult to find
01:08	OldCoder	For Skeleton Key one only needs to see
01:08	OldCoder	A regular key that is long dead
01:08	OldCoder	But to get a Skelleton Key one must agree
01:09	OldCoder	To trade one's soul to the Underworld Head
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01:56	riff-IRC	yo tre
01:56	Tre	hi riff
01:57	Tre	watcha been doing?
01:58	riff-IRC	just moved my channel to IRC.Tk, because i'm still klined.
02:05	OldCoder	riff-IRC, explain your channel
02:05	OldCoder	Is it MT-related? G-rated? What?
02:05	riff-IRC	it's a chat channel for youtubers
02:05	OldCoder	G-rated?
02:05	OldCoder	Or at least not X ?
02:05	riff-IRC	sure it's G-ish rated
02:05	OldCoder	minetest.org can probably host it
02:06	OldCoder	g2g errand but ping me another day
02:06	riff-IRC	kk later
02:06	OldCoder	o/
02:06	riff-IRC	o\
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03:54	TommyTreasure	hi OldCoder and behalebabo. I saw that both ethereal and baked clay were done by Tenplus1, so i eventually assumed they would work well together. rather be safe than sorry. i do have too many mods to keep track, and there are a lot of recipe overlaps i need to fix, so not having to fix yet 1 more is a big plus in my book. thanks!
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04:51	breeze_forever	I am having trouble getting the tutorial package to work on 4.13, I've extracted it to ~/.minetest, to ~/.minetest/worlds, and I still dont see the icon the menu. restarted client several times, still nothing
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04:57	octacian	breeze_forever: 0.4.13!? That's old.. Current is 0.4.15
04:58	breeze_forever	I'm aware
04:58	octacian	Have you considered updating?
05:00	octacian	OK, what you want to do though is extract tutorial, in the games subdirectory to ~/.minetest/games and "Tutorial World", in the worlds subdirectory, to ~/.minetest/worlds
05:00	octacian	But I warn you, that if the subgame has been updated recently it may not work with 0.4.13
05:00	octacian	breeze_forever: ^
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05:03	octacian	Well, I'm out for the night. Cya'll later! :D
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07:54	JamesTait	Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy World Penguin Day! ðŸ˜ƒ ðŸ§
08:02	juli	i'am every time aware of the penguin in my pc ;)
08:02	PureTryOut[m]	same here, I love me some penguins
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08:18	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix various points reported by cppcheck (#5656) 7f55ac3 https://git.io/v9t1c (2017-04-25T08:17:53Z)
08:23	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix various points reported by cppcheck (#5656) a7e131f https://git.io/v9tMx (2017-04-25T08:21:42Z)
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10:43	PureTryOut[m]	what exactly does "inventory" location mean when creating a formspec?
10:43	PureTryOut[m]	*using the "list" thingy
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10:55	PureTryOut[m]	hmm nvm got it. I did understand it right, I just got errors because of the inventory size being nil ðŸ˜‰
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11:13	MinetestBot	[git] desttinghim -> minetest/minetest: Footsteps without view bobbing (#5645) db17225 https://git.io/v9qUv (2017-04-25T11:11:51Z)
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12:16	DS-minetest	hi MinetestBot
12:16	MinetestBot	Hey DS-minetest!
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12:37	Tre	hey DS
12:37	DS-minetest	hey Tre
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12:51	DS-minetest	can you make formspec images animated?
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13:37	DS-minetest	how heavy is it to use minetest.get_meta(pos):get_string(bla) ?
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14:15	DS-minetest	is screwdriving automatically disallowed in protected areas or do i have to add it in on_rotate?
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14:37	calculon	DS-minetest, the screwdriver won't work in protected areas
14:38	DS-minetest	calculon: thanks
14:38	DS-minetest	so, it also won't trigger on_rotate, right?
14:39	calculon	no, i don't think so
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14:40	DS-minetest	ok
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16:03	Paul27	hello
16:03	DS-minetest	hello
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16:08	IhrFussel	I want to check on_prejoinplayers if the IP used is the same as the one the exact same player online already also uses...so can I achieve this with "if minetest.get_player_ip(name) == ip then" ?
16:12	red-001	I think so
16:15	IhrFussel	Example: player X is in the game but lost connection (the game doesn't log you out immediately when you lose connection) and now connects again then I want the others to know "the player is not gone, he/she is already reconnecting now" BUT I want to exclude other IPs so that it doesn't display this message if anyone else tries to bruteforce access
16:16	Paul27	wait this suppose that the player in question always play for the same device, right?
16:16	Paul27	from*
16:18	IhrFussel	No, it should simply let the others know "player lost connection but attempts to join again" opposed to what many believe "player logged out and won't come back"
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16:18	Paul27	oh ok
16:19	Paul27	um what if the player lost connection then changes device?
16:20	red-001	unlikely
16:20	Paul27	but possible
16:20	red-001	plus if they are on the same network the ip will likely still be the same
16:22	IhrFussel	In such a rare case it will simply not let the others know that the player is about to re-join :P
16:23	Paul27	got it
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16:35	Paul27	how can i make the hp change without minetest.item_eat?
16:36	GreenDimond	set_hp(somenumber)
16:36	IhrFussel	Paul27, player:set_hp(number)
16:36	Paul27	cool thanks
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16:37	yusf[m]	How do I de-register nodes the proper way?
16:37	IhrFussel	Guys you can ESCAPE the death formspec and play with 0 HP? That's terrible I just accidentally tried that...now I need to implement a HP check every X secs to make sure nobody with 0 HP can play
16:38	sfan5	pff
16:38	sfan5	IhrFussel: report the client bug on the tracker
16:38	Paul27	yusf what do you mean with "de-register"?
16:38	sfan5	the server side does not accept any movement or interaction with the word if the player is dead
16:38	sfan5	i tested this as part of my anticheat improvements pr
16:38	yusf[m]	I mean the opposite of minetest.register_node
16:38	GreenDimond	Yes I have experienced that bug before
16:39	yusf[m]	Paul27
16:39	IhrFussel	sfan5, yes but the player believes that he is indeed still alive and will wonder why they can't interact...so it's better to let them know that they are actually dead
16:39	sfan5	no really
16:39	sfan5	it's easier to just fix the bug
16:40	Paul27	yusf what do you want to exactly? an example could me make understand better
16:40	IhrFussel	Yes of course but I mean as a workaround until it's fixed I'll add that check
16:40	Paul27	make me*
16:41	GreenDimond	Well, in my experience, if you respawn and start moving around fast, the game does not respawn you correctly and your hearts have a 'wither effect' (Minecraft) essentially because you still take damage and sometimes when you take dmg the hearts show up but other times they dont
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16:41	yusf[m]	Paul27: Yes, sure. What I really want to do is to redefine what textures should be used on the default sandstone node, so that it displays different side, top and bottom textures.
16:41	Paul27	you have to override the node
16:42	yusf[m]	Yes, I figured I have to de-register the node before register it again?
16:43	GreenDimond	yusf[m]: just do minetest.register_node(":modname:nodename"
16:43	Paul27	it's overriding, not deregistation
16:43	GreenDimond	placing a : before the modname overrides it
16:43	GreenDimond	You do not need to deregister to redefine
16:43	Paul27	deregistration*
16:43	yusf[m]	And that's the proper way? :)
16:44	calculon	it's minetest.override_node
16:44	GreenDimond	calculon: That works too, but what is the difference?
16:44	calculon	the one you gave is for registering missing nodes i think
16:44	yusf[m]	I only find minetest.override_item http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.override_item
16:44	GreenDimond	nope, I have used it before.
16:44	calculon	ho yes, override_item
16:45	GreenDimond	: is for existing nodes
16:45	calculon	ha ok, i didn't know you could do that
16:45	Paul27	i think the fastest way is GreenDimond method, more immediate
16:45	IhrFussel	Welp, I can't reproduce the death bug anymore...now when I die whatever I press it respawns me
16:46	GreenDimond	both are fast.
16:46	yusf[m]	Okay, thank you all. I'll try both I guess :)
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16:46	calculon	but you have to fully define the item in that case, don't you ?
16:46	GreenDimond	In what case?
16:46	calculon	with your method
16:46	yusf[m]	That's a good question. I only want to set the texture definition.
16:47	GreenDimond	I would test but I am not at my PC
16:47	GreenDimond	Let me think... I used it recently but I dont remember what for xD
16:47	DS-minetest	:modname:itemname is not only for registered items
16:48	GreenDimond	meaning?
16:48	Paul27	um if the texture change is not for a server you can use a texture pack
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16:48	calculon	yes, i've seen it used to register items from missing mods
16:49	DS-minetest	with the additional : you can register (or maybe also overregister) an item of another mod
16:49	calculon	technic do that to register homedecor:oil_extract when it's missing for instance
16:49	DS-minetest	technic_worldgen also does this with rubber tree
16:50	GreenDimond	I used it for my waffles mod (update not released yet) for the toaster. if homedecor is detected it does minetest.register_node(":homedecor:toaster", {
16:50	yusf[m]	minetest.override_item works very good. I only have to redefine what I want (textures). Thanks calculon !
16:50	DS-minetest	lol, a waffleiron is not the same as a toaster i think
16:50	GreenDimond	DS, I am adding toaster waffles.
16:51	Paul27	toooster
16:52	GreenDimond	Toaster waffles require toaster. I am making it compatible with homedecor.
16:52	DS-minetest	GreenDimond: if anyone wants to search for the waffle machine in inventory by search, he will search for "waffles", and if also homedecor is installed he won't find it
16:52	DS-minetest	right?
16:52	DS-minetest	but idk
16:53	GreenDimond	they will find a toaster waffle which will have "(Use toaster to cook)" in the description
16:53	GreenDimond	*toaster waffle package
16:53	DS-minetest	ah
16:54	GreenDimond	I had to change my batter to use 3 different items rather than damage because players on HOMETOWN were using the anvil to repair the batte xD
16:55	DS-minetest	bad anvil that doesn't give a possibility to disallow repairing for certain tools
16:55	GreenDimond	tru, but it is better anyways.
16:55	DS-minetest	don't make those different items, it's not your mod's fault
16:56	DS-minetest	what is better?
16:56	DS-minetest	(you could also just change itemstack meta and so the description)
16:56	GreenDimond	I want it to be compatible with any repair mod, and I am not going to bother to find every mod that has a 'not_repairable' group and add it.
16:57	GreenDimond	It may add like 100+ lines of code, but it's no big deal. Just redefining the item 3 times.
16:59	GreenDimond	I wanted to have a variable defining what it does and just put one_use = whatwafflebatterdoes for each one.
16:59	GreenDimond	But something happened and I dont remember what :P
17:07	Paul27	Bye
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17:19	Noxodd	How do I lock a room
17:20	IhrFussel	Noxodd, what do you mean by "room"?
17:21	Noxodd	There are locked doors that only I can use, but are there locked blocks so that I can protect a room?
17:21	red-001	you need a protection mod
17:21	Noxodd	Something like steelblocks with a lock
17:21	red-001	!mod areas
17:21	MinetestBot	red-001: Advanced area protection [areas] by ShadowNinja - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7239
17:21	red-001	^ an example
17:22	Noxodd	Well, why are locked doors in an default game then?
17:22	red-001	I have no idea
17:22	Noxodd	...
17:22	DS-minetest	Noxodd: i could show you how to open a locked door with a banana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI5mSuSLoSc
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17:23	Noxodd	No thanks
17:23	Noxodd	I could create a room only using locked chest but thats kinda odd
17:24	Noxodd	There have to be another blocktype that is locked, else its useless with locked doors
17:26	IhrFussel	Noxodd, no...locked doors prevent others from ENTERING protected houses..but if the house and its blocks are not protected the door doesn't make sense
17:27	Noxodd	Thats stupid
17:28	IhrFussel	Of course you could make it so nobody can destroy block X but there is no point if you can simply protect everything in the area
17:28	Noxodd	So I need a mod to make something in the vanilla game useful?
17:28	Noxodd	Who the hell is deciding that stuff?
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17:30	PureTryOut[m]	tbh, that happens in most games. even Minecraft. they have iron doors which you can't open without a redstone signal, but you can just destroy the door itself or the block next to it no problem
17:30	PureTryOut[m]	you could make the walls out of a really strong material though, obsidian or something
17:30	IhrFussel	Well it would be nice if the devs added a basic way for protection in the default game..that's true but as is right now you need an external mod to protect buildings
17:31	Noxodd	....i thought that Minetest is smarter
17:31	PureTryOut[m]	guys it might be my spotty English, but what exactly does "velocity" mean in the context of a particle? ime velocity means speed, but the particle definition for some reason expects a position?
17:32	IhrFussel	Noxodd, let me guess: You have a free server at minetesthosting and are stuck now with the default mods?
17:33	IhrFussel	Otherwise I don't see why adding a simple protection mod would be impossible for you
17:34	DS-minetest	PureTryOut[m]: the pos you give at adding a particle is the start pos
17:34	PureTryOut[m]	no it expects 3 positions.
17:34	PureTryOut[m]	of which "velocity" is one
17:34	calculon	PureTryOut[m], it's not a position, it's velocity on x/y/z axes
17:34	PureTryOut[m]	"acceleration" also
17:34	DS-minetest	PureTryOut[m]: it's a vector
17:34	DS-minetest	yes
17:34	calculon	same thing for acceleration
17:34	PureTryOut[m]	ooh wait...
17:34	PureTryOut[m]	still then. setting it to 1 on a certain axis, how fast would that go?
17:35	* PureTryOut[m]	automatically assumes (wrongly) that vectors are positions
17:35	calculon	no idea, you should try and see
17:36	DS-minetest	minetest has a Cartesian coordinate system
17:37	DS-minetest	PureTryOut[m]: you could use vector.multiply to give it a certain speed
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17:37	PureTryOut[m]	and how would I give it a direction?
17:38	DS-minetest	by making a vector
17:38	PureTryOut[m]	obviously, but what... parameter?
17:38	PureTryOut[m]	"pos" is starting position, "velocity" is well the speed, "acceleration" is the acceleration rate, but I don't see a parameter for end position, or target
17:38	DS-minetest	PureTryOut[m]: look into examples in other mods
17:39	PureTryOut[m]	could you give me an example mod? :D
17:39	DS-minetest	velocity is also just the start velocity
17:39	DS-minetest	and acceleration just the start acceleration
17:39	PureTryOut[m]	... huh? how would it change acceleration?
17:39	calculon	the crops mod uses particles
17:39	DS-minetest	you give the things that are there at the moment
17:40	PureTryOut[m]	calculon: the farming mod in minetest_game?
17:40	DS-minetest	!mod technic_fight
17:40	MinetestBot	DS-minetest: Could not find anything.
17:40	calculon	it's not in minetest_game, but yes it's a farming mod
17:40	PureTryOut[m]	hmm
17:41	PureTryOut[m]	https://github.com/minetest-mods/crops that one? <---
17:41	calculon	yes
17:42	PureTryOut[m]	seems to use particlespawners only
17:43	calculon	isn't it what you're looking for ?
17:43	PureTryOut[m]	no, I'm looking for "add_particle"
17:43	calculon	ho, not sure but i think it works the same way
17:43	DS-minetest	PureTryOut[m]: one of my mods uses a particle as projectile https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17426
17:45	PureTryOut[m]	hmm, you use vector.multiply. any documentation on that?
17:45	DS-minetest	PureTryOut[m]: yes
17:45	DS-minetest	look into doc/lua_api.txt
17:46	PureTryOut[m]	I am, documentation is sparse... "vector.multiply(v, x): returns a scaled vector or Schur product" what the hell does "v" stand for? seeing your mod I'm assuming direction?
17:47	calculon	a vector is just an { x, y, z } table
17:47	DS-minetest	v stands for vector variable
17:47	PureTryOut[m]	calculon: I know
17:47	PureTryOut[m]	but it would help if it said that v is a Vector
17:47	PureTryOut[m]	anyways thanks DS-minetest, that might do it
17:48	calculon	that seems quite obvious to me :)
17:48	sfan5	calculon: it's actually a {x=..., y=..., z=...} table
17:48	DS-minetest	also it's written above i think
17:49	PureTryOut[m]	calculon: not to everyone clearly ðŸ˜›
17:49	ThomasMonroe	calculon if the person doesnt lik algebra already then it wouldnt be clear
17:50	PureTryOut[m]	I haven't had algebra for years even though I'm still a student in programming ðŸ˜’
17:52	DS-minetest	how heavy is it to use minetest.get_meta(pos):get_string(bla) ?
17:52	DS-minetest	so, how heavy is meta compared to static variables?
18:01	sfan5	very
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18:10	MinetestBot	[git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Rename Scripting API files for consistency 2818d3f https://git.io/v9mmc (2017-04-25T17:41:36Z)
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18:12	Calinou	what is the go-to "no guests" mod right now?
18:12	Calinou	name_restrictions hasn't been updated for 1.5 years now
18:12	Calinou	is it still the reference mod for that?
18:12	Calinou	(need to know which one I'll submit an issue against for blocking players with random first names + 3 numbers, which some mobile client generates)
18:12	Calinou	ideally we should gather the list of first names, or just ban everyone with 3 numbers at the end of the name (and uppercase first letter), but that'll cause false positives for sure
18:14	IhrFussel	Calinou, you want to PUNISH the players for not knowing that their client creates such a weird player name for them? I don't think that's the correct way
18:16	IhrFussel	I would probably just display a formspec on join where they can read that they are using a "banned" client and should download another
18:17	IhrFussel	Or as an error message on_prejoin...but IMO you should tell the players in some way why they can't play on server X with their client
18:17	Baffy[m]	sup folks
18:17	Baffy[m]	what's up with the Open AI mods
18:17	Baffy[m]	they seem pretty advanced
18:18	Baffy[m]	a lot of mods seem like they're coded and forgotten
18:19	PureTryOut[m]	^ +1 to that
18:20	Baffy[m]	Advanced Farming is great, i use it with Ethereal biomes and get these great Garden of Eden type areas
18:20	Baffy[m]	but it has like, 3 recipies
18:20	Baffy[m]	with all these different crops
18:21	Baffy[m]	maybe better marketing and a good group of well-supported mods would increase the userbase
18:21	PureTryOut[m]	great... now my particles are moving away from the node I want them to move to
18:21	Baffy[m]	i almost feel like forking minetest and just changing the name to something catchy and including good mods that the team plans to support
18:22	Baffy[m]	OpenMine? if not taken? FreeMiner?
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18:22	PureTryOut[m]	I have to agree with you there, I just don't like splitting up a community like that. also, you need some people to go with you, which is quite hard
18:22	Baffy[m]	it's just lua, anyone that knows python can learn it in a day
18:23	sfan5	Baffy[m]: just create a subgame and convince the coredevs to include it
18:23	Baffy[m]	yeah
18:23	PureTryOut[m]	"convince the coredevs to include it" yeah gl with that lol
18:23	Baffy[m]	i think some stuff needs improvement in core too
18:23	IhrFussel	Baffy[m], 70% of all players use mobile IIRC (I saw some stats about Minetest, maybe they're deprecated) ... and 90% of those mobile players use MultiCraft as client
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18:23	Baffy[m]	like i shouldn't need a mod to point my face at stuff
18:24	PureTryOut[m]	well biggest improvement in the core imo is speeding up the process of accepting PR's ðŸ˜›
18:24	Baffy[m]	and it should have projectile features built in
18:24	PureTryOut[m]	there are a lot of good PR's out there which either get shot down with awful arguments, or just take ages to get merged
18:24	sfan5	PRs always take ages
18:24	Baffy[m]	annoying dev team problems?
18:24	Baffy[m]	happens a lot
18:25	Baffy[m]	i use CyanogenMod for my phone, it's forking to Lineage OS
18:25	Baffy[m]	one of the Lineage guys is LukeJr from bitcoin
18:25	Baffy[m]	dude's a total psycho
18:27	sfan5	lineage is not much of a fork
18:27	sfan5	more of a continuation
18:27	sfan5	because cm just died
18:27	Krock	rip
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18:29	PureTryOut[m]	yeah the company behind CyanogenMod pulled the plug and started working on apps instead
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18:56	Calinou	IhrFussel: it's the only way, sorry
18:56	Calinou	you can specify a prejoin-reject message, that's what name_restrictions already does
18:56	Calinou	"please pick a non-guest username and try againâ€¦"
18:57	Calinou	Baffy[m]: Freeminer is already used by a (mostly dormant) Minetest fork
18:57	Calinou	too bad, we're likely stuck with Minetest
18:57	IhrFussel	Calinou, you don't even know if they can choose/see their player name...I suggest adding an error message that says "You try to connect as [name]. This name is not allowed, please use another name or choose another client to connect."
19:00	Calinou	can be done maybe, but maybe they don't even know how to readâ€¦
19:00	Calinou	(I wouldn't be surprised)
19:03	calculon	why do free games always have stupid names :p
19:04	IhrFussel	Well it's your choice but I'm totally against "banning players and not let them know why exactly or what they can do to avoid it" ... I just noticed another bug: My hand is blinking black every few secs...whenever it happens my character stops for 1 sec
19:05	Calinou	calculon: no naming agencies in open source, face it :P
19:05	calculon	:)
19:06	Calinou	seriously, open source naming is still a problem to date, as confirmed by the KDE "Babe" player
19:06	IhrFussel	Am I the only one experincing this issue? It even happens when I hold something else so it's not just the hand but the wielding item
19:07	IhrFussel	And now it stopped...all I did was walking around o.o
19:08	PureTryOut[m]	is it possible to tell a particle to despawn/destroy itself when it hits a node?
19:08	red-001	yes
19:08	PureTryOut[m]	there is "collisiondetection" but that just makes sure the particle doesn't go through a node
19:08	red-001	read the docs?
19:08	PureTryOut[m]	(it doesn't destroy the particle)
19:09	red-001	I don't remeber the name right now
19:09	PureTryOut[m]	... why do people always assume I don't read docs?
19:09	PureTryOut[m]	see, I'm just blind
19:09	PureTryOut[m]	"collision_removal"
19:09	red-001	cause I found that info by reading the docs?
19:10	IhrFussel	I created a func for that on my machine...it simply greps the API docs xP
19:16	IhrFussel	The blinking is BACK...I'll try to track down what causes it
19:21	IhrFussel	I found it! It happens when I place a node...need to confirm though
19:28	IhrFussel	No I was wrong...it seems to happen after I go through nodes with noclip priv
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21:13	ThomasMonroe	now this is just a curiosity question
21:13	ThomasMonroe	but can you mod in C++?
21:15	red-001	what do you mean?
21:15	red-001	if you mean loadable mods then no
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21:52	Tre_	i mean can you make a mod that talks directly to the program written in C++
21:56	red-001	well you could write a lua library
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22:10	sofar	"modding in c++" is basically extending the minetest engine
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22:21	swift110	hey all
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22:48	gingerman	Hi guys does anyone know of a web based system for server mngmnt ?
22:51	red-001	try the minetest-related project section on the forum
22:51	red-001	I'm almost certain someone made one
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22:55	gingerman	Ty red-001 I will have a look
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23:08	OldCoder	PureTryOut[m], prepare a pastebin with a list, please
23:08	OldCoder	<PureTryOut[m]> there are a lot of good PR's out there which either get shot down with awful arguments, or just take ages to get merged
23:08	OldCoder	<sfan5> PRs always take ages
23:08	OldCoder	Or they can take minutes
23:09	OldCoder	PureTryOut[m], wish some merged today?
23:09	tiwake	ponies
23:09	OldCoder	Ponies?
23:09	OldCoder	In core?
23:09	OldCoder	Hm
23:09	OldCoder	ponies() { ... }
23:09	rubenwardy	not if you like reliable software
23:09	OldCoder	It depends
23:10	OldCoder	tiwake, we are intrigued by the prospect of C++ Ponies. Work up a patch.
23:11	red-001	tiwake, didn't you say the same thing yesterday?
23:11	red-001	at a similar time
23:11	OldCoder	Just "ponies" ? Need specifics
23:11	tiwake	quite possibly
23:11	tiwake	nope, just ponies
23:11	OldCoder	Um?
23:12	OldCoder	Very well. Ponies.
23:12	red-001	so whats the deal with ponies?
23:12	tiwake	https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2013/7/21/379985.gif
23:13	red-001	ok?
23:13	OldCoder	tiwake, are you proposing a ponies-based weapon?
23:13	red-001	I wonder whats the highest quality .gif possible
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23:15	OldCoder	ThomasMonroe, are you MT from head to toe
23:16	OldCoder	ThomasMonroe, so, are you friend or foe
23:16	OldCoder	Hm
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