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I'm trying to export a mob .b3d from blender but the animations dont seem to be working (no animation). |
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hey guys, whats the best display pedestal/frame mod nowadays> |
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yusf[m] |
minetester: Probably the first here https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=itemframes&type=Repositories&ref=searchresults |
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yusf[m], thanks for the link earlier |
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Someone tell me how to hide tools from the creative inventory (unified_inventory) ... I can do groups = {not_in_creative_inventory=1} on nodes and entities but the same doesnt seem to work for tools |
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The tools i want to hide: https://github.com/JBBgameich/admintools/blob/master/init.lua |
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I already removed the register_craft functions and tried to add groups = {not_in_creative_inventory=1} before the damagegroups |
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IhrFussel: does it work if you add groups={not_in_creative_inventory=1} before description? |
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sfan5, I'll try that |
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hoodedice |
toppus kekkus |
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garywhite |
I have a bug... |
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hoodedice |
is it a... ladyBUG? |
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emuPhone |
squash it |
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garywhite |
On Android, the client's text is all boxes |
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emuPhone |
weird |
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emuPhone |
don't have that problem |
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emuPhone |
just that the guy doesn't fit |
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hoodedice |
do you think you have all the right locales? Can we get a screenshot? specs of the device? |
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hoodedice |
version number, etc |
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garywhite |
I tried to screenshot, but the shortcut turned off my tablet |
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hoodedice |
if the combination is volume key + power, press the volume key slightly before the power button |
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garywhite |
It's an Amazon Kindle Fire HD (2012 version), Android 4.0 |
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emunand |
not guy, GUI |
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hoodedice |
found the American! |
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hoodedice |
you are using the official builds, correct? |
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garywhite |
yes |
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hoodedice |
try... reinstalling |
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garywhite |
ok |
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hoodedice |
Calinou! |
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Calinou |
hi |
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hoodedice |
how ya doing? |
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garywhite |
that did it |
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Calinou |
hoodedice: fine |
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hoodedice |
guys, I fixed things |
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garywhite |
thanks |
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hoodedice |
put my name in the credits for the next build /s |
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hoodedice |
hi Krock |
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Krock |
o/ hoodedice |
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hoodedice |
\o |
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* Fixer |
after playing brogue |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Android: Workarounds for Googles completely broken NDK 70579dc https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/70579dc7c3e76da109d8f99eeeffccff6ea5713b (2016-12-22T21:17:54Z) |
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[git] Nikolay0054 -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Russian) 9ff3f73 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/9ff3f7320886f9d7c97fb145ad5c119387cafffa (2016-12-22T21:28:51Z) |
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[git] Cold-Meson-06 -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 5bd3b10 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/5bd3b107886b52eef69598215f2f27fea8a7f233 (2016-12-22T21:28:51Z) |
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[git] BrunoMine -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 8dc5f3a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8dc5f3a9e1cd667a1abd258378c7e70feb77b1b6 (2016-12-22T21:28:51Z) |
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[git] Cold-Meson-06 -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 6a54d12 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/6a54d12b23dfb64636e2d85b4b7e3aca99b480be (2016-12-22T21:28:51Z) |
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[git] Nikolay0054 -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Russian) 9ff3f73 https://git.io/v1jw6 (2016-12-22T21:28:51Z) |
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[git] Cold-Meson-06 -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 5bd3b10 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/5bd3b107886b52eef69598215f2f27fea8a7f233 (2016-12-22T21:28:51Z) |
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[git] Rogier-5 -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Dutch) 69af942 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/69af9429ef671bffe036acd0d49165c285d0acb1 (2016-12-22T21:28:48Z) |
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[git] BrunoMine -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 8dc5f3a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8dc5f3a9e1cd667a1abd258378c7e70feb77b1b6 (2016-12-22T21:28:51Z) |
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[git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (German) 8176e9a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8176e9a4fcf04d4da3f02f74921e31ff0b45a2bb (2016-12-22T21:28:47Z) |
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[git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Final update to credits before release d346875 https://git.io/v1jrG (2016-12-22T21:34:48Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Continue with 0.4.15-dev 7b0d934 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7b0d934ea1a8cee1c00913fb157786e3ae1d1fb7 (2016-12-22T21:52:15Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Bump version to 0.4.15 1142157 https://git.io/v1j6y (2016-12-22T21:52:15Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Continue with 0.4.15-dev a95f983 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a95f983ea8665bfd14289b142cef1185838cc531 (2016-12-22T22:14:17Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Bump version to 0.4.15 231ac33 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/231ac33d34dfaaddf292c5f31b1eae43eeefba2d (2016-12-22T22:14:17Z) |
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Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, official Minetest channel | Latest version: 0.4.15 (2016-12-22) | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/ |
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GreenDimond |
when will ppa:minetestdevs/stable be updated? |
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Guest1535 |
Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: Ubuntu "trusty" 14.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2.99GHz) • Memory: Physical: 961.1 MiB Total (449.1 MiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (1.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 53.4 GB / 139.6 GB (86.2 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub • Uptime: 14h 6m 9s |
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Fixer |
nice |
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Guest1535 |
oops |
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GreenDimond |
anyone when will ppa:minetestdevs/stable be updated? |
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I'm only using this to watch the comments (like RSS feed |
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GreenDimond |
when will ppa:minetestdevs/stable be updated? |
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Fixer |
omg |
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emunand |
never |
23:03 |
Fixer |
some morons spammed our forum |
23:03 |
GreenDimond |
not tru emu xD |
23:03 |
Fixer |
urgent: ban https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20312 / big spam |
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emunand |
put it in the dev chat |
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emunand |
i don't think the devs look here |
23:04 |
GreenDimond |
my god... |
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Fixer |
dev is not for forum |
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emunand |
og |
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GreenDimond |
4 pages of that crap! |
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emunand |
i do not see it |
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GreenDimond |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=17 |
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GreenDimond |
you can only access it if you have forum account |
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emunand |
i have one |
23:06 |
GreenDimond |
then follow link |
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GreenDimond |
he is STILL doing it!!!!! |
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emunand |
capcha for posting now |
23:07 |
GreenDimond |
every time i refresh there is a new one! |
23:07 |
emunand |
just like the chans |
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GreenDimond |
stan5 |
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GreenDimond |
or any forum moderator. |
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Calinou |
forum seems down? |
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GreenDimond |
nope |
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GreenDimond |
spammer |
23:12 |
GreenDimond |
major spammer |
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Calinou |
well, it's not replying here |
23:12 |
GreenDimond |
oh my |
23:12 |
GreenDimond |
well there was 4+ pages of advertisment posts. |
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Fixer |
Calinou: is down for me too |
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Fixer |
ad trash |
23:13 |
GreenDimond |
this guy legit posted one post every min |
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GreenDimond |
or per 30 sec |
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GreenDimond |
and they were pretty darn long posts too |
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emunand |
he crashed the forums |
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emunand |
nicely done |
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emunand |
time for capcha per post |
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emunand |
gateway time out now |
23:14 |
GreenDimond |
Funny. Right when 0.4.15 come out xD |
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emunand |
minetest.net is also down |
23:15 |
GreenDimond |
WHAT?!?!?! |
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emunand |
yep |
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GreenDimond |
nope :P |
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emunand |
for me it is |
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GreenDimond |
im there rn. |
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emunand |
it says my commection is not secure |
23:15 |
GreenDimond |
mine is fine xD |
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emunand |
weird |
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emunand |
thanks firefox |
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GreenDimond |
im on firefox as well.... |
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emunand |
weird |
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GreenDimond |
forums are back! |
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emunand |
maybe it's https everywhere |
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GreenDimond |
hes STILL goin at it! |
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GreenDimond |
wait... |
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GreenDimond |
last one posted was before forum down :P |
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GreenDimond |
lets hope that stopped him |
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GreenDimond |
NOPE. back at it again. |
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emunand |
well atleast he was posting in offtopic |
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Calinou |
banned them, however I don't have the permissions to delete all their posts at once |
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GreenDimond |
tell stan5 or c55. they can right? |
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emunand |
116 posts |
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GreenDimond |
yeah....i saw.... |
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emunand |
and joined yesterday |
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emunand |
maybe a planned attack? |
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GreenDimond |
probly. |
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GreenDimond |
lets hope he doesnt show up with a different name. |
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emunand |
added him as a foe |
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GreenDimond |
also added him as foe |
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emunand |
why do i keep on spawning in the ground in Minetest singleplayer? |
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emunand |
am i born dead? |
23:24 |
GreenDimond |
no. |
23:24 |
GreenDimond |
spawned in a monutain probly |
23:24 |
GreenDimond |
*mountain |
23:24 |
emunand |
yeah, i did |
23:24 |
emunand |
weird |
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23:26 |
GreenDimond |
hey Calinou , do happen to know when ppa:minetestdevs/stable will be updated? |
23:28 |
Calinou |
GreenDimond: nope |
23:30 |
Fixer |
GreenDimond: very soon |
23:31 |
Fixer |
GreenDimond: done https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable |
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23:34 |
Wuzzy |
0.4.15 is out!!1 yay |
23:34 |
juhdanad |
On Minetest's website the torches should be 3D from now on. |
23:35 |
Calinou |
yes, the screenshots will be updated, also more may be added |
23:35 |
Calinou |
(as much as Wuzzy will dislike this :P), I can add a lightbox plugin as well |
23:35 |
Wuzzy |
ugh. |
23:35 |
Calinou |
https://sachinchoolur.github.io/lightgallery.js/ is quite nice |
23:35 |
Wuzzy |
not more javascript :( |
23:36 |
Calinou |
it has everything we need |
23:36 |
Calinou |
Wuzzy: IIRC it gracefully falls back |
23:36 |
Wuzzy |
why do web developers always have so much disgegard for standards |
23:36 |
Calinou |
user experience :) |
23:36 |
Calinou |
as an user, I dislike it when I click on an image and end on another "page" |
23:36 |
Calinou |
having to use the (sometimes nonexistent now) back button |
23:37 |
Wuzzy |
complain to the browser vendor then |
23:37 |
Calinou |
lightboxes have been a thing for 10 years or so now |
23:37 |
Wuzzy |
what i hate about the web is that webmasters want to do EVERYTHING |
23:38 |
juhdanad |
On forums users do most things. |
23:38 |
emunand |
i think that javascript is really important for ui |
23:38 |
emunand |
just like css |
23:38 |
emunand |
you can't have a good website without js |
23:38 |
Wuzzy |
bullshit |
23:39 |
Calinou |
yeah it's pretty hard nowadays |
23:39 |
emunand |
0% bullshit |
23:39 |
Calinou |
Wuzzy: so far, most modern policies have been "give more power to developers" |
23:39 |
emunand |
how will you make your website look like ipfs.io? |
23:39 |
Calinou |
Vulkan, static/bundled libraries, CSS/JS |
23:39 |
emunand |
without js |
23:39 |
Wuzzy |
you cant have a good website without content |
23:39 |
Calinou |
some good JS-using websites have content :) |
23:40 |
Calinou |
Wikipedia uses JS for lots of things |
23:40 |
Wuzzy |
at least it works without JS, so its not mandatory |
23:40 |
emunand |
zeronet uses js and html webpages |
23:41 |
Wuzzy |
emunand: the question is: WHY should i make a website want to look like ipfs.io? |
23:41 |
Wuzzy |
also: the answer is: CSS |
23:41 |
Wuzzy |
i hate this hipster style with putting one HUGE dumb sentence on the frontpage with 0 informatino |
23:41 |
Wuzzy |
not everyone is on mobile |
23:42 |
emunand |
there is something called documentation |
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23:42 |
emunand |
not everything is stored on one website, which is what i hate |
23:42 |
Wuzzy |
thats not my point |
23:43 |
emunand |
so you want to ditch js? |
23:43 |
Wuzzy |
well i think js is often used when it is totally avoidalbe |
23:44 |
Calinou |
some pretty basic features are still not available in most browsers |
23:44 |
Calinou |
like, smooth scrolling to anchors |
23:44 |
Wuzzy |
fix the browsers then |
23:44 |
Calinou |
not gonna happen, it seems :) |
23:44 |
emunand |
impossible with microsoft i guess |
23:44 |
Wuzzy |
its crazy. web developers always try to fix the bugs in browsers |
23:44 |
Wuzzy |
beat them with a stick until they comply |
23:44 |
Calinou |
also yeah, it'll take a while for all users to drop IE entirely |
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23:45 |
Wuzzy |
or just make more browsers... bring on the competition! :D |
23:45 |
Wuzzy |
but the problem is |
23:45 |
emunand |
sorry i meant Micro$oft Edge |
23:45 |
Wuzzy |
making a browser is hard |
23:45 |
Calinou |
Microsoft Edge is actively updated, IE is not |
23:45 |
Wuzzy |
because the web is uber bloated :( |
23:45 |
emunand |
time for decentralization |
23:45 |
Calinou |
but the Web is standard |
23:45 |
emunand |
already hosted my game on IPFS and ZeroNet |
23:46 |
Wuzzy |
js is problematic because 1) it makes web more complex 2) it i executable code 3) is used to sniff away many details about your computer |
23:46 |
Calinou |
Google Analytics and such can be blocked easily |
23:46 |
Wuzzy |
and 4) browser by defautl happily and blindly executes all JS code it gets to munch |
23:46 |
emunand |
more and more people are making their code open source too |
23:46 |
emunand |
also: extentions |
23:46 |
emunand |
like for firefox, NoScript |
23:46 |
Wuzzy |
the problem is, JS is on by DEFAULT |
23:47 |
Wuzzy |
and thus creates security nightmares |
23:47 |
Wuzzy |
Ever heard of XSS? |
23:47 |
emunand |
then don't let them happen |
23:47 |
Calinou |
if JS was off by default, nobody would use it |
23:47 |
emunand |
it's like Flash |
23:47 |
Calinou |
also, content security policies are a thing |
23:47 |
Wuzzy |
Exactly! |
23:47 |
Calinou |
and XSS protection is also a thing in the back-end; any serious person does it |
23:47 |
Wuzzy |
Js is not like flash. but flash is even worse. |
23:48 |
Wuzzy |
does firefox have xss protection? does MS Edge have it? chrome? etc |
23:48 |
Fixer |
Wuzzy: everything is shit, just accept it, we are living in shit, everything is shit %) |
23:48 |
emunand |
firefox and chrome does |
23:48 |
emunand |
not sure about ie |
23:48 |
Wuzzy |
Fixer: You're my hero. |
23:48 |
Wuzzy |
how do they proteect againt xss? |
23:48 |
emunand |
we can change that shit into something else |
23:48 |
Fixer |
shitty users, shitty developers, shitty software, hardware, UI, countries, continents, blabla |
23:49 |
emunand |
shitty universe |
23:49 |
Wuzzy |
hey, the users are probebly the least shit here. :P |
23:49 |
emunand |
moving to the next multiverse, see ya |
23:49 |
Fixer |
people will rather slap TONS of JS SHIT to display 10 lines of text :( |
23:49 |
emunand |
atleast for the people who understand what this is |
23:49 |
Calinou |
Wuzzy: XSS protection is done in the back-end mostly |
23:49 |
Wuzzy |
back-end? of what |
23:50 |
emunand |
most kids download this on the app store as a minecraft clone |
23:50 |
Calinou |
Wuzzy: PHP, Python, whatever |
23:50 |
Wuzzy |
u mean on the server, right? |
23:50 |
Calinou |
yes |
23:50 |
emunand |
remember when archive.is was compromised once? |
23:50 |
Wuzzy |
well then thats just shit. if you pwn the server u also probably pwn the visitory |
23:52 |
Calinou |
if you keep good security practice, getting pwned is pretty rare |
23:52 |
emunand |
im just going to use lynx from now on |
23:52 |
emunand |
goodbye css |
23:52 |
Calinou |
of course if you MD5-hash passwords, it won't be a thing :) |
23:52 |
Wuzzy |
Well, one good security practice is to lower the attack surface |
23:52 |
Wuzzy |
JS is one such attack surface |
23:52 |
Calinou |
it simply removes too much functionality |
23:52 |
Wuzzy |
what bothers me is that browsers happily and blindly execute untrusted code |
23:53 |
Wuzzy |
it could come from anywhere |
23:53 |
Fixer |
Wuzzy: use noscript |
23:53 |
Wuzzy |
and it does it all the time |
23:53 |
Fixer |
*in firefox |
23:53 |
emunand |
which is why there are things like noscript |
23:53 |
emunand |
problem solved |
23:53 |
Wuzzy |
i already do. but not everyone is that smart |
23:53 |
Wuzzy |
why should we expose users to this danger by *default* |
23:54 |
juhdanad |
The Minetest website does not contain any user content, so javascript would be safe there, I think. |
23:54 |
emunand |
tbh if you arent smart enough to know about noscript, you probably just use facebook and youtube |
23:54 |
Wuzzy |
juhdanad: until the website gets pwned, that is |
23:54 |
Wuzzy |
yay lets always blame the user |
23:55 |
Wuzzy |
make browsers insecure by default, then blame the user if something goes wrong -_- |
23:55 |
juhdanad |
But if the website gets pwned, the attacker can inject javascript if it was not there before. |
23:55 |
emunand |
if you visit an unprotected website, it's your fault |
23:55 |
Wuzzy |
emunand: 99% of the web is untrusted/unknown/unprotected |
23:55 |
emunand |
also https is a thing |
23:55 |
emunand |
99%? |
23:55 |
Fixer |
just disconnect from net and you will be totally safe |
23:55 |
Wuzzy |
esp. unknown :) |
23:55 |
emunand |
cut off electricity |
23:55 |
Fixer |
i'm more worried about assholes in the government |
23:56 |
emunand |
remove social security number |
23:56 |
Wuzzy |
now we're getting somewhere :D |
23:56 |
emunand |
live on a remote island |
23:56 |
Wuzzy |
with no internet? ;-( |
23:56 |
emunand |
yes |
23:56 |
Fixer |
nearby countries already trying hard to control speech on the internet |
23:56 |
Wuzzy |
im fine with internet i just hate the web :D |
23:56 |
emunand |
or get satellite internet |
23:56 |
Fixer |
also DPI, blocking of sites |
23:57 |
Wuzzy |
can you delete a country? |
23:57 |
emunand |
vpns could be used |
23:57 |
emunand |
also stuff like ZeroNet and ipfs |
23:58 |
emunand |
what do you guys think will succeed in decentralizing the web? |
23:58 |
emunand |
IPFS or ZeroNet? |
23:58 |
GreenDimond |
back. i was afk. |
23:58 |
Fixer |
MTM attacks |
23:58 |
Fixer |
my neighbouring countries have high interesting in silencing people on the internet |
23:58 |
emunand |
i feel like zeronet has a lead because it has more users and is being worked on more than ipfs |
23:59 |
Wuzzy |
emunand: i dont know |
23:59 |
Fixer |
emunand: not good, not much people will use it |
23:59 |
Wuzzy |
i dont even know if the web will be succeeded at all. but I really really hope it will happen someday |
23:59 |
Fixer |
imagine Internet as a only free speech place in authoritarian country |
23:59 |
GreenDimond |
i try running sudo apt-get upgrade minetest gives me i already have latest. how do i upgrade one from repo? |
23:59 |
emunand |
i feel like its going to happen soon |
23:59 |
Wuzzy |
a autharitaritan country probably not even has internet :) |
23:59 |
emunand |
its not on the repo yet |