Time Nick Message 01:59 freelikegnu hiyo 02:03 freelikegnu I'm trying to export a mob .b3d from blender but the animations dont seem to be working (no animation). 02:07 freelikegnu hmm will animation not work if I'm using IK? 03:32 minetester hey guys, whats the best display pedestal/frame mod nowadays> 03:32 minetester ?* 10:21 yusf[m] minetester: Probably the first here https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=itemframes&type=Repositories&ref=searchresults 12:17 minetester yusf[m], thanks for the link earlier 13:55 yusf[m] minetester: np 14:44 IhrFussel Someone tell me how to hide tools from the creative inventory (unified_inventory) ... I can do groups = {not_in_creative_inventory=1} on nodes and entities but the same doesnt seem to work for tools 14:47 IhrFussel The tools i want to hide: https://github.com/JBBgameich/admintools/blob/master/init.lua 14:49 IhrFussel I already removed the register_craft functions and tried to add groups = {not_in_creative_inventory=1} before the damagegroups 16:03 sfan5 IhrFussel: does it work if you add groups={not_in_creative_inventory=1} before description? 16:07 IhrFussel sfan5, I'll try that 18:00 hoodedice toppus kekkus 18:01 garywhite I have a bug... 18:01 hoodedice is it a... ladyBUG? 18:01 emuPhone squash it 18:01 garywhite On Android, the client's text is all boxes 18:01 emuPhone weird 18:01 emuPhone don't have that problem 18:02 emuPhone just that the guy doesn't fit 18:02 hoodedice do you think you have all the right locales? Can we get a screenshot? specs of the device? 18:02 hoodedice version number, etc 18:03 garywhite I tried to screenshot, but the shortcut turned off my tablet 18:04 hoodedice if the combination is volume key + power, press the volume key slightly before the power button 18:04 garywhite It's an Amazon Kindle Fire HD (2012 version), Android 4.0 18:04 emunand not guy, GUI 18:04 hoodedice found the American! 18:06 hoodedice you are using the official builds, correct? 18:07 garywhite yes 18:07 hoodedice try... reinstalling 18:08 garywhite ok 18:09 hoodedice Calinou! 18:09 Calinou hi 18:09 hoodedice how ya doing? 18:09 garywhite that did it 18:09 Calinou hoodedice: fine 18:09 hoodedice guys, I fixed things 18:09 garywhite thanks 18:10 hoodedice put my name in the credits for the next build /s 18:15 hoodedice hi Krock 18:15 Krock o/ hoodedice 18:17 hoodedice \o 20:16 Fixer \ o / 20:16 * Fixer after playing brogue 21:18 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Android: Workarounds for Googles completely broken NDK 1370579dc https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/70579dc7c3e76da109d8f99eeeffccff6ea5713b (152016-12-22T21:17:54Z) 21:31 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Nikolay0054 -> 03minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Russian) 139ff3f73 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/9ff3f7320886f9d7c97fb145ad5c119387cafffa (152016-12-22T21:28:51Z) 21:32 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Cold-Meson-06 -> 03minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 135bd3b10 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/5bd3b107886b52eef69598215f2f27fea8a7f233 (152016-12-22T21:28:51Z) 21:32 MinetestBot 02[git] 04BrunoMine -> 03minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 138dc5f3a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8dc5f3a9e1cd667a1abd258378c7e70feb77b1b6 (152016-12-22T21:28:51Z) 21:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Cold-Meson-06 -> 03minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 136a54d12 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/6a54d12b23dfb64636e2d85b4b7e3aca99b480be (152016-12-22T21:28:51Z) 21:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Nikolay0054 -> 03minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Russian) 139ff3f73 https://git.io/v1jw6 (152016-12-22T21:28:51Z) 21:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Cold-Meson-06 -> 03minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 135bd3b10 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/5bd3b107886b52eef69598215f2f27fea8a7f233 (152016-12-22T21:28:51Z) 21:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Rogier-5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Dutch) 1369af942 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/69af9429ef671bffe036acd0d49165c285d0acb1 (152016-12-22T21:28:48Z) 21:34 MinetestBot 02[git] 04BrunoMine -> 03minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 138dc5f3a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8dc5f3a9e1cd667a1abd258378c7e70feb77b1b6 (152016-12-22T21:28:51Z) 21:34 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (German) 138176e9a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8176e9a4fcf04d4da3f02f74921e31ff0b45a2bb (152016-12-22T21:28:47Z) 21:34 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Cold-Meson-06 -> 03minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese (Brazil)) 136a54d12 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/6a54d12b23dfb64636e2d85b4b7e3aca99b480be (152016-12-22T21:28:51Z) 21:35 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zeno- -> 03minetest/minetest: Final update to credits before release 13d346875 https://git.io/v1jrG (152016-12-22T21:34:48Z) 21:57 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Continue with 0.4.15-dev 137b0d934 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7b0d934ea1a8cee1c00913fb157786e3ae1d1fb7 (152016-12-22T21:52:15Z) 21:57 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Bump version to 0.4.15 131142157 https://git.io/v1j6y (152016-12-22T21:52:15Z) 22:16 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Continue with 0.4.15-dev 13a95f983 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a95f983ea8665bfd14289b142cef1185838cc531 (152016-12-22T22:14:17Z) 22:16 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Bump version to 0.4.15 13231ac33 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/231ac33d34dfaaddf292c5f31b1eae43eeefba2d (152016-12-22T22:14:17Z) 22:17 sfan5 MinetestBot: quit 22:44 GreenDimond when will ppa:minetestdevs/stable be updated? 22:49 Guest1535 Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: Ubuntu "trusty" 14.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2.99GHz) • Memory: Physical: 961.1 MiB Total (449.1 MiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (1.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 53.4 GB / 139.6 GB (86.2 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub • Uptime: 14h 6m 9s 22:49 Fixer nice 22:49 Guest1535 oops 22:49 GreenDimond anyone when will ppa:minetestdevs/stable be updated? 22:49 Guest1535 I'm only using this to watch the comments (like RSS feed 23:02 GreenDimond when will ppa:minetestdevs/stable be updated? 23:03 Fixer omg 23:03 emunand never 23:03 Fixer some morons spammed our forum 23:03 GreenDimond not tru emu xD 23:03 Fixer urgent: ban https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20312 / big spam 23:04 emunand put it in the dev chat 23:04 emunand i don't think the devs look here 23:04 GreenDimond my god... 23:04 Fixer dev is not for forum 23:05 emunand og 23:05 GreenDimond 4 pages of that crap! 23:05 emunand i do not see it 23:06 GreenDimond https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=17 23:06 GreenDimond you can only access it if you have forum account 23:06 emunand i have one 23:06 GreenDimond then follow link 23:07 GreenDimond he is STILL doing it!!!!! 23:07 emunand capcha for posting now 23:07 GreenDimond every time i refresh there is a new one! 23:07 emunand just like the chans 23:10 GreenDimond stan5 23:11 GreenDimond or any forum moderator. 23:12 Calinou forum seems down? 23:12 GreenDimond nope 23:12 GreenDimond spammer 23:12 GreenDimond major spammer 23:12 Calinou well, it's not replying here 23:12 GreenDimond oh my 23:12 GreenDimond well there was 4+ pages of advertisment posts. 23:12 Fixer Calinou: is down for me too 23:13 Fixer ad trash 23:13 GreenDimond this guy legit posted one post every min 23:13 GreenDimond or per 30 sec 23:13 GreenDimond and they were pretty darn long posts too 23:13 emunand he crashed the forums 23:13 emunand nicely done 23:14 emunand time for capcha per post 23:14 emunand gateway time out now 23:14 GreenDimond Funny. Right when 0.4.15 come out xD 23:15 emunand minetest.net is also down 23:15 GreenDimond WHAT?!?!?! 23:15 emunand yep 23:15 GreenDimond nope :P 23:15 emunand for me it is 23:15 GreenDimond im there rn. 23:15 emunand it says my commection is not secure 23:15 GreenDimond mine is fine xD 23:15 emunand weird 23:16 emunand thanks firefox 23:16 GreenDimond im on firefox as well.... 23:16 emunand weird 23:16 GreenDimond forums are back! 23:16 emunand maybe it's https everywhere 23:17 GreenDimond hes STILL goin at it! 23:17 GreenDimond wait... 23:17 GreenDimond last one posted was before forum down :P 23:17 GreenDimond lets hope that stopped him 23:18 GreenDimond NOPE. back at it again. 23:18 emunand well atleast he was posting in offtopic 23:18 Calinou banned them, however I don't have the permissions to delete all their posts at once 23:18 GreenDimond tell stan5 or c55. they can right? 23:19 emunand 116 posts 23:19 GreenDimond yeah....i saw.... 23:19 emunand and joined yesterday 23:19 emunand maybe a planned attack? 23:19 GreenDimond probly. 23:20 GreenDimond lets hope he doesnt show up with a different name. 23:20 emunand added him as a foe 23:22 GreenDimond also added him as foe 23:24 emunand why do i keep on spawning in the ground in Minetest singleplayer? 23:24 emunand am i born dead? 23:24 GreenDimond no. 23:24 GreenDimond spawned in a monutain probly 23:24 GreenDimond *mountain 23:24 emunand yeah, i did 23:24 emunand weird 23:26 GreenDimond hey Calinou , do happen to know when ppa:minetestdevs/stable will be updated? 23:28 Calinou GreenDimond: nope 23:30 Fixer GreenDimond: very soon 23:31 Fixer GreenDimond: done https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable 23:34 Wuzzy 0.4.15 is out!!1 yay 23:34 juhdanad On Minetest's website the torches should be 3D from now on. 23:35 Calinou yes, the screenshots will be updated, also more may be added 23:35 Calinou (as much as Wuzzy will dislike this :P), I can add a lightbox plugin as well 23:35 Wuzzy ugh. 23:35 Calinou https://sachinchoolur.github.io/lightgallery.js/ is quite nice 23:35 Wuzzy not more javascript :( 23:36 Calinou it has everything we need 23:36 Calinou Wuzzy: IIRC it gracefully falls back 23:36 Wuzzy why do web developers always have so much disgegard for standards 23:36 Calinou user experience :) 23:36 Calinou as an user, I dislike it when I click on an image and end on another "page" 23:36 Calinou having to use the (sometimes nonexistent now) back button 23:37 Wuzzy complain to the browser vendor then 23:37 Calinou lightboxes have been a thing for 10 years or so now 23:37 Wuzzy what i hate about the web is that webmasters want to do EVERYTHING 23:38 juhdanad On forums users do most things. 23:38 emunand i think that javascript is really important for ui 23:38 emunand just like css 23:38 emunand you can't have a good website without js 23:38 Wuzzy bullshit 23:39 Calinou yeah it's pretty hard nowadays 23:39 emunand 0% bullshit 23:39 Calinou Wuzzy: so far, most modern policies have been "give more power to developers" 23:39 emunand how will you make your website look like ipfs.io? 23:39 Calinou Vulkan, static/bundled libraries, CSS/JS 23:39 emunand without js 23:39 Wuzzy you cant have a good website without content 23:39 Calinou some good JS-using websites have content :) 23:40 Calinou Wikipedia uses JS for lots of things 23:40 Wuzzy at least it works without JS, so its not mandatory 23:40 emunand zeronet uses js and html webpages 23:41 Wuzzy emunand: the question is: WHY should i make a website want to look like ipfs.io? 23:41 Wuzzy also: the answer is: CSS 23:41 Wuzzy i hate this hipster style with putting one HUGE dumb sentence on the frontpage with 0 informatino 23:41 Wuzzy not everyone is on mobile 23:42 emunand there is something called documentation 23:42 emunand not everything is stored on one website, which is what i hate 23:42 Wuzzy thats not my point 23:43 emunand so you want to ditch js? 23:43 Wuzzy well i think js is often used when it is totally avoidalbe 23:44 Calinou some pretty basic features are still not available in most browsers 23:44 Calinou like, smooth scrolling to anchors 23:44 Wuzzy fix the browsers then 23:44 Calinou not gonna happen, it seems :) 23:44 emunand impossible with microsoft i guess 23:44 Wuzzy its crazy. web developers always try to fix the bugs in browsers 23:44 Wuzzy beat them with a stick until they comply 23:44 Calinou also yeah, it'll take a while for all users to drop IE entirely 23:45 Wuzzy or just make more browsers... bring on the competition! :D 23:45 Wuzzy but the problem is 23:45 emunand sorry i meant Micro$oft Edge 23:45 Wuzzy making a browser is hard 23:45 Calinou Microsoft Edge is actively updated, IE is not 23:45 Wuzzy because the web is uber bloated :( 23:45 emunand time for decentralization 23:45 Calinou but the Web is standard 23:45 emunand already hosted my game on IPFS and ZeroNet 23:46 Wuzzy js is problematic because 1) it makes web more complex 2) it i executable code 3) is used to sniff away many details about your computer 23:46 Calinou Google Analytics and such can be blocked easily 23:46 Wuzzy and 4) browser by defautl happily and blindly executes all JS code it gets to munch 23:46 emunand more and more people are making their code open source too 23:46 emunand also: extentions 23:46 emunand like for firefox, NoScript 23:46 Wuzzy the problem is, JS is on by DEFAULT 23:47 Wuzzy and thus creates security nightmares 23:47 Wuzzy Ever heard of XSS? 23:47 emunand then don't let them happen 23:47 Calinou if JS was off by default, nobody would use it 23:47 emunand it's like Flash 23:47 Calinou also, content security policies are a thing 23:47 Wuzzy Exactly! 23:47 Calinou and XSS protection is also a thing in the back-end; any serious person does it 23:47 Wuzzy Js is not like flash. but flash is even worse. 23:48 Wuzzy does firefox have xss protection? does MS Edge have it? chrome? etc 23:48 Fixer Wuzzy: everything is shit, just accept it, we are living in shit, everything is shit %) 23:48 emunand firefox and chrome does 23:48 emunand not sure about ie 23:48 Wuzzy Fixer: You're my hero. 23:48 Wuzzy how do they proteect againt xss? 23:48 emunand we can change that shit into something else 23:48 Fixer shitty users, shitty developers, shitty software, hardware, UI, countries, continents, blabla 23:49 emunand shitty universe 23:49 Wuzzy hey, the users are probebly the least shit here. :P 23:49 emunand moving to the next multiverse, see ya 23:49 Fixer people will rather slap TONS of JS SHIT to display 10 lines of text :( 23:49 emunand atleast for the people who understand what this is 23:49 Calinou Wuzzy: XSS protection is done in the back-end mostly 23:49 Wuzzy back-end? of what 23:50 emunand most kids download this on the app store as a minecraft clone 23:50 Calinou Wuzzy: PHP, Python, whatever 23:50 Wuzzy u mean on the server, right? 23:50 Calinou yes 23:50 emunand remember when archive.is was compromised once? 23:50 Wuzzy well then thats just shit. if you pwn the server u also probably pwn the visitory 23:52 Calinou if you keep good security practice, getting pwned is pretty rare 23:52 emunand im just going to use lynx from now on 23:52 emunand goodbye css 23:52 Calinou of course if you MD5-hash passwords, it won't be a thing :) 23:52 Wuzzy Well, one good security practice is to lower the attack surface 23:52 Wuzzy JS is one such attack surface 23:52 Calinou it simply removes too much functionality 23:52 Wuzzy what bothers me is that browsers happily and blindly execute untrusted code 23:53 Wuzzy it could come from anywhere 23:53 Fixer Wuzzy: use noscript 23:53 Wuzzy and it does it all the time 23:53 Fixer *in firefox 23:53 emunand which is why there are things like noscript 23:53 emunand problem solved 23:53 Wuzzy i already do. but not everyone is that smart 23:53 Wuzzy why should we expose users to this danger by *default* 23:54 juhdanad The Minetest website does not contain any user content, so javascript would be safe there, I think. 23:54 emunand tbh if you arent smart enough to know about noscript, you probably just use facebook and youtube 23:54 Wuzzy juhdanad: until the website gets pwned, that is 23:54 Wuzzy yay lets always blame the user 23:55 Wuzzy make browsers insecure by default, then blame the user if something goes wrong -_- 23:55 juhdanad But if the website gets pwned, the attacker can inject javascript if it was not there before. 23:55 emunand if you visit an unprotected website, it's your fault 23:55 Wuzzy emunand: 99% of the web is untrusted/unknown/unprotected 23:55 emunand also https is a thing 23:55 emunand 99%? 23:55 Fixer just disconnect from net and you will be totally safe 23:55 Wuzzy esp. unknown :) 23:55 emunand cut off electricity 23:55 Fixer i'm more worried about assholes in the government 23:56 emunand remove social security number 23:56 Wuzzy now we're getting somewhere :D 23:56 emunand live on a remote island 23:56 Wuzzy with no internet? ;-( 23:56 emunand yes 23:56 Fixer nearby countries already trying hard to control speech on the internet 23:56 Wuzzy im fine with internet i just hate the web :D 23:56 emunand or get satellite internet 23:56 Fixer also DPI, blocking of sites 23:57 Wuzzy can you delete a country? 23:57 emunand vpns could be used 23:57 emunand also stuff like ZeroNet and ipfs 23:58 emunand what do you guys think will succeed in decentralizing the web? 23:58 emunand IPFS or ZeroNet? 23:58 GreenDimond back. i was afk. 23:58 Fixer MTM attacks 23:58 Fixer my neighbouring countries have high interesting in silencing people on the internet 23:58 emunand i feel like zeronet has a lead because it has more users and is being worked on more than ipfs 23:59 Wuzzy emunand: i dont know 23:59 Fixer emunand: not good, not much people will use it 23:59 Wuzzy i dont even know if the web will be succeeded at all. but I really really hope it will happen someday 23:59 Fixer imagine Internet as a only free speech place in authoritarian country 23:59 GreenDimond i try running sudo apt-get upgrade minetest gives me i already have latest. how do i upgrade one from repo? 23:59 emunand i feel like its going to happen soon 23:59 Wuzzy a autharitaritan country probably not even has internet :) 23:59 emunand its not on the repo yet