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Calinou |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4563 - ._., how do people manage to make their game slower by enabling mip-mapping |
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Calinou |
Quake 3 enabled mip-mapping by default and uses way higher-resolution textures |
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Calinou |
we're not even talking about anisotropic filtering |
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Calinou |
and by the way, mip-mapping is known to *increase* performance |
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agaran |
Calinou: :-) there are things about which even philosophers didn't dare to dream of |
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MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Make some maps unordered to improve performance 5f084cd https://git.io/vPGyd (2016-10-05T07:30:32+02:00) |
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XeonSquared |
https://my.mixtape.moe/rhxyrk.png Well my memory block works. |
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XeonSquared |
Can I change a formspec while someone's looking at it? |
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red-999 |
XeonSquared no but you can send a new formspec |
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XeonSquared |
So no live updates? |
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red-999 |
well no |
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red-999 |
what are you trying to do? |
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XeonSquared |
A digiline terminal with input was the idea |
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[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Replace various std::map with UNORDERED_MAP + various cleanups 613797a https://git.io/vPGj4 (2016-10-05T10:53:19+02:00) |
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johrpan |
Hi, I installed the animals modpack and activated it, now I got some raw meet, if I eat it I get a little bit of life. But I can't put it doesn't work to cook it. What do I have to do? |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy World Teachers' Day! 😃 |
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_Megaf |
Good morming |
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_Megaf |
how can I disable mods from the default subgame? |
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Jordach |
delete them? |
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_Megaf |
eh, another solution? |
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_Megaf |
deleting them is what I do |
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_Megaf |
well, will just right an script to do the job for me |
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johrpan |
The decription of the carts mod says that it is working together with mesecons, but I can't get them powered, they just don't work. |
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_Megaf |
and cool, Google Allo send SMS for free |
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johrpan |
Oh no it works, I don't know why. |
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johrpan |
I mean now not no. |
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_Megaf |
johrpan: hm, you need the yellow rails |
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_Megaf |
those are the powered ones |
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_Megaf |
and each yellow rail needs a powersource |
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johrpan |
_Megaf: Yeah, I thought if they are next to each other, one power source is enough. |
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johrpan |
I think this would be more logic. |
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_Megaf |
Well, that's Minecraft Behaviour, we are not playing Minecraft :P |
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_Megaf |
Not_a_Robot: prove it |
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_Megaf |
where is captcha when we need it? |
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thePalindrome |
Allo probably can send sms for free, especially since it keeps a copy of the texts |
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agaran |
I wish we could have conflict list for mod too, not only compat/required modules list.. |
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Not_a_Robot |
Beep beep. Human being called _Megaf is reporting bad behaviour. Starting "delete enemy" program... |
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_Megaf |
Not_a_Robot: well, I'm not a human being... Some say I'm a very elaborate computer software with own mind and self will |
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_Megaf |
By self will I mean, free will |
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_Megaf |
And nobody knows the hardware I'm running on, nor it's location. |
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thePalindrome |
A body in your mother's basement :D |
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* thePalindrome |
knows all about _Megaf |
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thePalindrome |
Huh, you've got a freenode cloak |
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thePalindrome |
noice |
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_Megaf |
thePalindrome: oh, maybe something like that around 21 years ago yes |
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_Megaf |
s/mother/grandmother |
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_Megaf |
s/body/hardware |
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thePalindrome |
Quassel? I haven't heard of that client |
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_Megaf |
so you found the location of my hardware around 21 years ago |
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thePalindrome |
How's it working for you? |
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_Megaf |
thePalindrome: amazingly :) |
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_Megaf |
it's my favourtie |
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Not_a_Robot |
I was using Quassel |
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thePalindrome |
Likely using an east coast bouncer |
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Not_a_Robot |
until Kubuntu changed it for Konversation |
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_Megaf |
thePalindrome: Higly customizable. Flexible, and the core and client are separated. So I run the core on my server, the core is connected to freenode. Clients I run on my phone, tablet, laptop. They sync to the core, core sends channels, backlog, nicks to client |
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_Megaf |
so everything synced |
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thePalindrome |
Sounds like what weechat can do |
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thePalindrome |
huh |
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thePalindrome |
Noticed you nulled out finger :P |
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_Megaf |
wechat is monolitic, you need other stuff to use it on several devices |
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_Megaf |
there's Quassel Client of Windows, Linux, OS X, Android and iOS |
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thePalindrome |
Pretty sure you can run a weechat instance on a server, then use weechat clients |
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thePalindrome |
there's one in f-droid |
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_Megaf |
there's even a quassel client plugin for IRSSI :) |
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_Megaf |
maybe there is something for weechat too |
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thePalindrome |
Quite possibly :P |
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_Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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MinetestBot |
_Megaf: No results |
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_Megaf |
:-O |
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_Megaf |
(:-O |
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onlyonemac |
i'm experiencing two weird issues with trees (possibly related to each other) |
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onlyonemac |
firstly, there's a small area (approximately 3x5 blocks) behind my house where the leaves never decay |
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onlyonemac |
secondly, sometimes when the leaves decay they leave a dark "shadow" on the ground underneath which doesn't seem to go away |
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everamzah |
on the first point; do you have a wood featuring any tree nodes? |
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everamzah |
only the second point, search a mod called 'mapfix', i think it's https://github.com/minetest-mods/mapfix |
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everamzah |
there's lighting bugs galore |
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onlyonemac |
everamzah: no there are no trees touching or anywhere near the leaves. I cut down all the trees in my garden and the leaves remain. The only nearby trees are the one on the other side of my house and a few on the other side of the fence (about 3 blocks from the fence, and my trees are about 3 blocks in from the fence) |
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everamzah |
and it doesn't matter whether it's a stock minetest game, or some mod -- they're present in both. anytime i've used saplings (and i have never used moretrees), i've gotten lighting bugs somewhere. same applies to fire, but i don't know how related. |
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_Megaf |
[14:05:39] <onlyonemac> firstly, there's a small area (approximately 3x5 blocks) behind my house where the leaves never decay |
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everamzah |
if there are any nodes with group rating (group:tree) within 5(?) nodes, they won't decay |
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_Megaf |
is there any trunk/tree around? |
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_Megaf |
[14:06:14] <onlyonemac> secondly, sometimes when the leaves decay they leave a dark "shadow" on the ground underneath which doesn't seem to go away |
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_Megaf |
lighting bug |
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everamzah |
if you place a leave, it won't decay |
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everamzah |
i think it's only with sneak held down, or is it vice versa |
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everamzah |
vise? haha |
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everamzah |
vice |
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onlyonemac |
_Megaf: the corners of my house are made of tree trunks, but they don't touch the leaves (i think in minecraft the leaves have to touch the trunk otherwise they'll decay) |
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onlyonemac |
everamzah: i haven't placed the leaves |
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everamzah |
well there you go, is it within 5 nodes? |
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everamzah |
because that would it explain it |
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_Megaf |
onlyonemac: no need to touch, just need to be nearby |
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onlyonemac |
everamzah: oh definately |
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everamzah |
isn't minetest great? |
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onlyonemac |
everamzah: like, 3 blocks from my house |
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* everamzah |
goes off to play single player |
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onlyonemac |
thanks for the mapfix thing; it works beautifully |
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onlyonemac |
(although hackish, i must admit) |
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onlyonemac |
and i'll stop planting trees next to my house lol |
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onlyonemac |
thanks |
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onlyonemac |
bye |
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Out`Of`Control |
!server Liberty |
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MinetestBot |
Out`Of`Control: Liberty Land | mt.rbose.org | Clients: 7/50, 5/16 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / ayntest | Ping: 16ms |
| 13:44 |
Out`Of`Control |
why its not listed in public server list? |
| 13:45 |
Krock |
wait a moment until it refreshs |
| 13:46 |
Krock |
if MTB can see it, you will see it soon aswell |
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Krock |
it's the same JSON file |
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Out`Of`Control |
ok |
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Out`Of`Control |
listed now |
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agaran |
hello |
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red-255 |
hi agaran |
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_Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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MinetestBot |
_Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms |
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_Megaf |
It's back! |
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_Megaf |
agaran: wasnt alcatraz near your home? |
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_Megaf |
Cant find alcatraz |
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sfan5 |
Out`Of`Control: alternatively you can just press f5 |
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Out`Of`Control |
sfan5: thanks will do next time |
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yusf[m] |
Does wield3d only work in singleplayer? I can't see items on players in multiplayer. |
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Krock |
split splat |
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Krock |
yusf[m], it works fine in multiplayer, as many servers already confirmed |
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yusf[m] |
Krock: Prolly I messed up then. Thanks |
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segfault22 |
I'm not here to announce the release of my mod; instead I have to ask something important, but not directly regarding the internals of mods... |
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segfault22 |
Is it wrong to go play Minecraft-ForgeModLoader w/ too many mods and wait for Minetest to "get better", when I have been telling people that I'm working on a big mod for Minetest that several people are interested in? |
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segfault22 |
is it betrayal? |
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agaran |
_Megaf: crane was near bridge, yes |
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agaran |
from far end of it one could see it |
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segfault22 |
It is apparent that nobody here can answer my question,... |
| 15:01 |
segfault22 |
Thus I should probably look within for the answer,... maybe the reason I asked was because that is how I feel about it, and I don't want others to think I'm a bad person for doing that... |
| 15:02 |
Hijiri |
just b urself |
| 15:02 |
Hijiri |
you're not obligated to mod for anyone |
| 15:03 |
segfault22 |
but isn't it dishonest, since I said I would release it soon? |
| 15:04 |
segfault22 |
There's this guy GreenDimond who is interested in the mod, and the idea that I may start a server someday soon... but if I tell him that I left for a while to play Minecraft while I "wait for Minetest to get better", he may think it's wrong, and others may as well... |
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segfault22 |
I know I don't have to make this mod, but I said I would |
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garywhite |
Hello |
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swift110 |
hey garywhite |
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garywhite |
Welcome Erthome |
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Erthome |
hello Gary |
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Erthome |
was just peeking in to read back and see what might be happening in IRC land |
| 16:01 |
red-001 |
hi Erthome |
| 16:01 |
swift110 |
hey Erthome |
| 16:01 |
swift110 |
are you guys on minetest right now? |
| 16:01 |
garywhite |
I go in & out of MT |
| 16:01 |
Erthome |
not me I just peeked in IRC |
| 16:01 |
garywhite |
~seen est31 |
| 16:01 |
ShadowBot |
garywhite: I saw est31 in #minetest 1 day, 18 hours, 15 minutes, and 5 seconds ago saying "++!" |
| 16:02 |
red-001 |
~seen ShadowBot |
| 16:02 |
ShadowBot |
red-001: Of course I've seen myself! |
| 16:02 |
red-001 |
are you sure? |
| 16:02 |
red-001 |
~seen book` |
| 16:02 |
ShadowBot |
red-001: I haven't seen book` in #minetest. |
| 16:02 |
red-001 |
~seen aix |
| 16:02 |
ShadowBot |
red-001: I saw aix in #minetest 4 days, 0 hours, 47 minutes, and 5 seconds ago saying "indeed" |
| 16:03 |
red-001 |
~seen ChanServ |
| 16:03 |
ShadowBot |
red-001: I haven't seen ChanServ in #minetest. |
| 16:03 |
garywhite |
~seen book |
| 16:03 |
ShadowBot |
garywhite: I haven't seen book in #minetest. |
| 16:03 |
red-001 |
is book` the logging bot? |
| 16:03 |
garywhite |
~seen book ` |
| 16:03 |
ShadowBot |
garywhite: seen [channel] <nick> |
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red-001 |
~seen MinetestBot |
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ShadowBot |
red-001: I saw MinetestBot in #minetest 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 24 seconds ago saying "_Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms" |
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red-001 |
!seen minetestbot |
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MinetestBot |
red-001: minetestbot was last seen at 2016-09-19 17:24:46 UTC on #minetest-fr |
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red-001 |
!seen book` |
| 16:05 |
MinetestBot |
red-001: book` was last seen at 2016-09-24 20:41:14 UTC on #minetest |
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red-001 |
sorry for the spam |
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red-001 |
I joined way to many irc channals |
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swift110 |
red-001, lol |
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swift110 |
here is another ##forthenerds |
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onlyonemac |
do items on the ground in minetest despawn like they do in minecraft? if so, how long does it take? if not, is there any configuration option or mod to make them despawn? |
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garywhite |
onlyonemac: Yes, I believe they do despawn after about 1-2 minutes, but it depends |
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onlyonemac |
garywhite: what does it depend on? |
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garywhite |
I don't know to be honest |
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aix |
redyellow: that's the second time you've pinged me using that bot |
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aix |
do you need something? |
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aix |
or am i just at the top of the list |
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redyellow |
top of the list |
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JoJo__ |
Hello |
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sfan5 |
hello |
| 16:57 |
JoJo__ |
I have a problem |
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JoJo__ |
to compiling minetest |
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JoJo__ |
i'm italian sorry my bad english |
| 16:57 |
sfan5 |
what's the error message? |
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JoJo__ |
one moment |
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JoJo__ |
CMake Warning at CMakeLists.txt:162 (find_package): By not providing "FindLuaJIT.cmake" in CMAKE_MODULE_PATH this project has asked CMake to find a package configuration file provided by "LuaJIT", but CMake did not find one. |
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sfan5 |
from where did you run cmake? |
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JoJo__ |
CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:176 (find_package): By not providing "FindGMP.cmake" in CMAKE_MODULE_PATH this project has asked CMake to find a package configuration file provided by "GMP", but CMake did not find one. |
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JoJo__ |
yes |
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sfan5 |
that wasn't a yes/no question |
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sfan5 |
which command did you run? |
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JoJo__ |
ah |
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JoJo__ |
[greenmy dhcppc2 src]$ cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=TRUE |
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Blerttt |
how can i make mobs for mobs redo stop rotating? |
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sfan5 |
hm |
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sfan5 |
JoJo__: can you try cd .. and then the same command? |
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JoJo__ |
ok |
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JoJo__ |
Build files have been written to: /home/greenmy/minetest |
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JoJo__ |
it's ok? |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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sfan5 |
generally you need to run cmake when in "minetest" not "src" |
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JoJo__ |
for playing? where folder start game? |
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twoelk |
executable is in mintest/bin folder |
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twoelk |
*minetest/bin |
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JoJo__ |
bin folder is empty |
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twoelk |
oops |
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sfan5 |
JoJo__: you need to run "make" first |
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sfan5 |
and wait for it to finish |
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JoJo__ |
ok |
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twoelk |
when finished the folder structure should look similar to the folder tree shown here: http://wiki.minetest.net/Getting_Started |
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JoJo__ |
thanks sfan5 working |
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JoJo__ |
sfan5? |
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JoJo__ |
new problem |
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afk |
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sfan5 |
JoJo__: yes? |
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garywhite |
Welcome johrpan |
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johrpan |
garywhite: Hi, why? |
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garywhite |
? |
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Krock |
didn't know that kaeza is a secret moderator: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=235480#p235480 |
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Krock |
oh well, can also be found on the page "Global moderators" :/ |
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JoJo__ |
sfan5 |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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JoJo__ |
2016-10-05 19:52:57: ERROR[Main]: Subgame specified in default_game [minetest] is invalid. 2016-10-05 19:53:16: WARNING[Main]: BanManager: creating /home/greenmy/minetest/bin/../worlds/asd/ipban.txt 2016-10-05 19:53:16: WARNING[Main]: NodeDefManager: Ignoring CONTENT_IGNORE redefinition 2016-10-05 19:53:16: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/greenmy/minetest/bin/../games/minetest_game-master/mods/default |
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Krock |
name it "minetest_game", without -master |
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JoJo__ |
apgen.lua:1471: attempt to call field 'get_mapgen_setting' (a nil value) 2016-10-05 19:53:16: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback: 2016-10-05 19:53:16: ERROR[Main]: ...in/../games/minetest_game-master/mods/default/mapgen.lua:1471: in main chunk 2016-10-05 19:53:16: ERROR[Main]: [C]: in function 'dofile' 2016-10-05 19:53:16: ERROR[Main]: .../bin/../games/minetest_game-master/mods/default/init.lua:47: in main chunk |
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Krock |
you're using an outdated git version |
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JoJo__ |
i don't compiled from git |
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Krock |
what does "minetest --version" output? |
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JoJo__ |
but download file from website |
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JoJo__ |
Minetest 0.4.14 (Linux) Using Irrlicht 1.8.3 Build info: VER=0.4.14 BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=0 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=0 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR="/usr/share/minetest" |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
ah I see |
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Krock |
commit 3c63c30 added this function (after stable 0.4.14 released) |
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Krock |
thus, the minetest_game master branch is not complatible with the older engine |
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Krock |
*compatible |
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sfan5 |
JoJo__: which linix distro do you use? |
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JoJo__ |
fedora |
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sfan5 |
so you installed this? https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/minetest |
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sfan5 |
well that's nice |
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sfan5 |
it looks like fedora is completely missing minetest_game |
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JoJo__ |
no, i have installed that website |
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JoJo__ |
minetest.net/downloads |
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sfan5 |
which one? |
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JoJo__ |
Source code Get the latest stable or development source code from GitHub. You will probably want minetest_game as well. Put the game in your games directory. See README.txt for details on how to compile. |
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sfan5 |
well in that case |
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sfan5 |
JoJo__: run this |
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sfan5 |
cd ~/minetest/games && mv minetest_game-master minetest_game && cd minetest_game && git checkout 0.4.14 && cd ../.. |
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sofar |
https://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/reports/1346360/ wow |
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sofar |
good source of bug reports |
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sfan5 |
nvm that won't work |
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sfan5 |
JoJo__: you need to download https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/archive/0.4.14.tar.gz and replace minetest_game with that |
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JoJo__ |
working! Thanks sfan5 |
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MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Compilation fix 7fab86a https://git.io/vPnWP (2016-10-05T20:58:05+02:00) |
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redyellow |
~seen rubenwardy |
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ShadowBot |
redyellow: I saw rubenwardy in #minetest 1 day, 17 hours, 23 minutes, and 51 seconds ago saying "done" |
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redyellow |
!seen rubenwardy |
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MinetestBot |
redyellow: rubenwardy was last seen at 2016-10-04 21:24:39 UTC on #minetest |
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_Megaf |
Ëœserver Megaf |
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_Megaf |
agaran: not a crane, the Alcatraz prison, there was a shark pixel art near it |
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Fritz01 |
Hello |
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Krock |
hi |
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Fritz01 |
I've noticed that installing minetest from "sudo apt-get install minetest" takes around 9000kb from the hard disk. But compiling the source code tooks something like 200Mb! (dependecies included) How this can be possible??? |
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Calinou |
Fritz01: apt-get downloads *binary* packages, not source code |
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Calinou |
it does not compile anything on your machine |
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est31 |
also, stuff gets statically linked |
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est31 |
not dynamically |
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Fritz01 |
staticaly linked? |
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Fritz01 |
statically* |
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Fritz01 |
what does it mean? |
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codehero |
it stuffs every lib in the binary |
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codehero |
rather than using system libs that are already installed |
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Calinou |
est31: I'm quite sure Debian packages are dynamically-linked |
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Calinou |
whereas source code includes some in-tree libraries |
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Calinou |
which are also compiled |
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est31 |
yes |
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est31 |
that's what I meant |
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est31 |
if sqlite or lua isnt found on the system, the compile process links it in statically |
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est31 |
maybe it even defaults to not doing a check at all, i'm not sure |
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Fritz01 |
Thanks, but my question still stand: engine and minetest_game (compiled): 12 Mb / download from "apt-get" 9000Kb |
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Calinou |
.deb packages are also compressed |
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Calinou |
(LZMA2, I think, basically .tar.xz) |
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Fritz01 |
isn't it impossible? |
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est31 |
Fritz01, what exactly do you compare? |
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Calinou |
no, all .deb packages you download are compressed |
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est31 |
the executable files? |
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Fritz01 |
all the engine (compiled) plus minetest_game |
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Fritz01 |
with the download from "apt-get" |
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Fritz01 |
their size are different |
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est31 |
Fritz01, can you run in terminal "type minetest" |
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est31 |
what does it say |
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Fritz01 |
"minetest is /usr/games/minetest/" |
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Fritz01 |
it said that |
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est31 |
Fritz01, now run ldd on the compiled minetest executable and on /usr/games/minetest/ |
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est31 |
like "ldd /usr/games/minetest" |
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est31 |
then compare the output of both |
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est31 |
you will notice that the self compiled one contains less lines |
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sfan5 |
maybe, maybe not |
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sfan5 |
est31: debian maintainers obsess over dynamically linking everything, you won |
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sfan5 |
't find anything statically linked when there is no need |
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sfan5 |
also turns out that fedora is not missing minetest_game |
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Fritz01 |
Are you saying that for the same game its possible to have different files size? |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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Fritz01 |
what? |
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Fritz01 |
so the compiled MT has got useless libs? |
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sfan5 |
no |
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sfan5 |
you are comparing the wrong sizes |
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Fritz01 |
i'm comparing: size of the compiled MT (12Mb) / MT installed from terminal by apt-get install (9000kb) |
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Fritz01 |
they must be the same |
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Fritz01 |
but they aren't |
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Krock |
either they're compressed on a different way or the latter one does not contain MTG |
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Krock |
I assume they were both compiled with the same libs |
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Fritz01 |
got it! the files downloaded from "apt-get install" are compressed |
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Fritz01 |
well, that's a big compression |
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Fritz01 |
Which are the size of the engine (only binary)? |
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Krock |
right click: properties |
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Fritz01 |
tried it. it says "4,9 Mb"; but isn't it too low? |
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Krock |
my winblows binary is 5.123 MiB |
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Krock |
sounds similar |
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Fritz01 |
Thanks for the help |
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Krock |
!next |
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MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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Fritz01 |
There's a free license that save software from scam (fork with ads)? |
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Krock |
not that I'm aware of. tldrlegal.com does not have a keyword for filtering |
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nore |
Fritz01: probably not, because it would probably a non-free licence according to the FSF then |
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redyellow |
cc by nc |
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Fritz01 |
isn't that a non-free license? |
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redyellow |
well yeah |
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redyellow |
by your defition of free you can't stop forks with ads while using a free license |
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nore |
the thing is, if your license prevents that, then it's not free |
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Fritz01 |
with free i mean only open-source |
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redyellow |
well cc by nc is open source |
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nore |
^ exactly |
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nore |
CC-BY-NC-SA would be a bit better for that though, but same idea |
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nore |
any CC license containing NC would do what you want, but be non-free |
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Fritz01 |
what do you mean with "free"? |
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redyellow |
*according to the fsf |
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redyellow |
well I think you could in thoery add a clause to your license that forbids adding ads to the code |
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* redyellow |
is not a lawyer |
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Fritz01 |
anyways shouldn't MT License change to something like CC-BY-NC-SA? |
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Fritz01 |
that would prevent things like MultiCraft and the like |
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Krock |
look at the WTFPL license - it's a valid one (although it misses the warranty disclaimer part) |
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not_a_lawyer |
http://pastebin.com/4gJFg96j |
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Krock |
> December 2016 |
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Krock |
+ warranty part missing |
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Fritz01 |
good night |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default/functions: Tune speed of grass spread ABM 1906ab8 https://git.io/vPnS7 (2016-10-05T22:24:02+01:00) |
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[git] t4im -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Prevent possible nil-crash on invalid book metadata 1799754 https://git.io/vPnS5 (2016-10-05T22:23:49+01:00) |
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[git] t4im -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix sapling placement handling of on_rightclick and CONTENT_IGNORE 32f7051 https://git.io/vPnSd (2016-10-05T22:22:15+01:00) |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Add 'silver sand' for cold desert biome 67fc224 https://git.io/vPnSF (2016-10-05T22:22:08+01:00) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Update travis build to new container infrastructure (w/o sudo) 3ef51a1 https://git.io/vPn9F (2016-10-05T23:33:04+02:00) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Automatically use C++11 features when available and remove USE_CXX11 … 877b514 https://git.io/vPnF1 (2016-10-06T00:09:06+02:00) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Update travis build to new container infrastructure (w/o sudo) 13b485a https://git.io/vPnFM (2016-10-06T00:09:06+02:00) |
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[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Travis: build matrix improvements + CPP11 build 61d1751 https://git.io/vPnAm (2016-10-06T00:28:24+02:00) |
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Vivsie |
question: where is debug.txt located? |
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_Megaf |
Vivsie: in bin |
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_Megaf |
well |
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_Megaf |
Vivsie: depends on the OS and how you installed Minetest |
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_Megaf |
~/.minetest maybe |
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Vivsie |
Windows, just used the installer |
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Vivsie |
thank |
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_Megaf |
Vivsie: oh so in your user folder, somewhere |
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Vivsie |
ye found it |
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