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it worked |
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[git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Settingtypes.txt: Clarify comments, correct spelling fbe4a92 https://git.io/v6jU8 (2016-08-29T01:00:05+01:00) |
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[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Builtin: Disallow registering users with the same name 51e13ae https://git.io/v6jU4 (2016-08-29T00:58:39+01:00) |
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[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Fix background formspec elements from interfering with each other 78ff5c1 https://git.io/v6jTe (2016-08-29T01:15:31+01:00) |
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Rate85 |
Hello? |
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Rate85 |
Something Is Very Wrong Here, This Place Is Usually Filled With Life... |
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Rate85 |
Why Is Nobody On IRC? |
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Void7 |
actually at least 130 people are on irc (probably) |
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Void7 |
just not very active |
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Rate85 |
I Wonder Why |
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paramat |
http://i.imgur.com/AsKvBfu.png pathv7 mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15423 |
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cheapie |
I wonder how many people are going to "get" these product names: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20160828_230255.png |
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cheapie |
(vending machines behind a car wash) |
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agaran |
cheapie: looks nice |
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* cheapie |
takes a picture of the whole building |
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cheapie |
agaran: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20160829_011124.png |
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cheapie |
The "vending machines" in the earlier picture are behind the automatic bay. |
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cheapie |
(oh, and yes, that automatic bay does work) |
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thepiercingarrow |
hey, anyone on? |
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Nosrick |
I'm here, for now. |
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Nosrick |
What's up? |
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thepiercingarrow |
just curious, any reference for default? |
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thepiercingarrow |
im making a mod, want to know the exact names and properities of the stuff inside default, but cant find a list |
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Nosrick |
You've got two options; the Minetest dev wiki, or the lua_api.txt document in minetest/doc |
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thepiercingarrow |
they both explain the minetest object, and the modding API, but now the specs of the default modpack |
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Nosrick |
Oh! |
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Nosrick |
Just dig through the code. |
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Nosrick |
That's what I did. |
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thepiercingarrow |
ouch! okay then. xD didnt know i had to dig. thanks, then! |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, Server thread spiked to 60+% a few times but whenever it happened the debug.txt doesn't show a thing...seems like I have to enable verbose and trace output |
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IhrFussel |
With trace and verbose I feel like the log file will be larger than 1 MB in a matter of minutes haha |
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Megaf |
Good morning |
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Megaf |
[07:12:39] <cheapie> agaran: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20160829_011124.png |
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Megaf |
cheapie: that is cool |
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cheapie |
Thanks! |
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Megaf |
cheapie: fluxbox :) |
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cheapie |
What about it? |
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Megaf |
you use it |
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Megaf |
I saw in your screenshots |
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Megaf |
cheapie: what software is generating this graphs? https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/2015-08-07-213443_1280x1024_scrot.png |
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cheapie |
I used to. |
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cheapie |
I'm on awesome now. |
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cheapie |
rrdtool for the ones in the browser, gkrellm for the sidebar. |
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Megaf |
nice server case you have |
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Megaf |
xP |
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Megaf |
https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/IMG_20151015_131415700_HDR.jpg |
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cheapie |
Yep, I have one server that's all nice and 3 that aren't. |
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Megaf |
imagine how many Raspberries you could fit in there https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/IMG_20151102_145338767_HDR.jpg |
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Megaf |
and you have those giant capacitors, cool! |
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cheapie |
I have some giant HV-ish ones, and then a bunch of 350F 2.7V supercaps. |
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Megaf |
anyone else getting <ERROR> 2016-08-29 05:10:51: [CurlFetch] servers.minetest.net/announce not found (Timeout was reached) (response code 0)? |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: can be, I saw 150lag today |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, since the restart? |
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agaran |
no , before |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, alright what's the current lag like? |
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agaran |
1.5 |
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IhrFussel |
1.5 is the step interval I specified so zero lag right now |
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agaran |
and it works well yes |
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Calinou |
1.5 is a huge step interval |
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Calinou |
I suggest never setting it higher than 0.2 |
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nosrick |
Morning folks |
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IhrFussel |
Calinou, usually I have it set to 0.6 but I thought a higher server step interval would eliminate the lag...it didn't so it must be something about loading/saving contents |
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Calinou |
IhrFussel: does your server have a SSD? it can help |
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IhrFussel |
Calinou, the server provider states on the vserver page a SSD with 300 GB space yes |
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IhrFussel |
Also I already got to the point that it's only caused by the Server thread of the game not ConnectionSend, ConnectionReceive or Emerge-0 |
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IhrFussel |
It is sudden spikes in CPU % usage...nothing constant, it happens at completely irregular times and the impact of the spikes is always different..sometimes the Server thread jumps from 5% to 60% for a few seconds, other times it only jumps to 30 or 40...but it's mostly below 10 |
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IhrFussel |
And the most important fact: It did NOT lag back in May on the EXACT same hardware and exact same heavy mods ( I added a few light ones but the lags even occur with no mods enabled)...I'm strongly thinking it is something in the DB or map file |
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IhrFussel |
DB and map file are the same so DB* |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: 19.3 now |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: 17. |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, --trace option only shows connection debug right? That is way too much...I think info and verbose streams are enough that's why I restart |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, --info and --verbose seem to not be logged in debug.txt or I missed a conf setting...now I redirect the output to a verbose.txt file, should work nopw |
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segfault22 |
LinuxMint uses the SystemD spyware so I have to get rid of it |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: I never played with those so far... I thought that bookmarks are for teleporting but apparently not |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, I never did either, but the output is so detailed now it should tell us what's wrong |
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segfault22 |
I opened the back-panel on my mini fridge and accidentally touched one of the transistor heatsinks while holding the panel, and it shocked me... is it bad when a transistor is leaking electricity out the heatsink? |
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lumidify |
Hi, is there a way for a mod/subgame to put all its custom world-specific save files into a separate directory inside the world directory? |
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Calinou |
I think that yes, you can put mod files in world dir |
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Calinou |
not sure how |
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lumidify |
I know how to put it into the world dir, but, to keep them separate from the rest, I want to put them into another folder inside the world folder. |
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lumidify |
Just for organization. |
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segfault22 |
you could make the folder a modpack, putting the mod folders in a single folder and in the single folder put a text file "modpack.txt" |
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segfault22 |
the text file can be empty, it just has to be there, then the mod-loader will treat all sub-folders as mod folders and iterate through them just like it would in the mods folder where the modpack folder is |
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FreeFull |
segfault22: What will you use instead? FreeBSD? |
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segfault22 |
Void Linux |
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FreeFull |
Can it run minetest? |
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segfault22 |
even though most of this software is only good until the end of electricity when earth returns to a state of balanced magnetics, I don't want SystemD |
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segfault22 |
well of course its a linux-based OS |
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FreeFull |
There definitely are linux distros incapable of running minetest |
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FreeFull |
At least not without heavy work |
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segfault22 |
it looks like its an entirely separate project, not a fork, so I am not sure |
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segfault22 |
they have a minetest 0.4.14 in their sources though, maybe they can support it |
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FreeFull |
Void Linux probably can run Minetest, assuming you can get irrlicht to work |
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segfault22 |
ahahaha irrlicht |
| 11:33 |
segfault22 |
oh, well it looks like they have it too... no ha |
| 11:33 |
Megaf |
segfault22: do they have a default DE? |
| 11:33 |
segfault22 |
DE? |
| 11:34 |
segfault22 |
means different things for different people, please specify... |
| 11:34 |
segfault22 |
desktop environment ok |
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Megaf |
yep |
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FreeFull |
The wikipedia article says you can pick your DE |
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Megaf |
https://wiki.voidlinux.eu/Post_Installation |
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Megaf |
Void looks like what Arch used to be back in Arch Linux 0.7x# |
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lumidify |
segfault22: I was actually talking about saving files in the world directory, so in worlds/myworld. You can do that, but I don't know how to organize it into different folders. |
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segfault22 |
I thought you were "talking" about putting mods in the world's (not worlds) folder and keeping them organized |
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segfault22 |
not really "talking" here, are we? is anyone? |
| 11:43 |
segfault22 |
I have used that word wrong for way too long |
| 11:43 |
segfault22 |
we are not talking, we are,... uh... |
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segfault22 |
I don't know |
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lumidify |
Fine, *typing* :P |
| 11:44 |
segfault22 |
no typing is what you do to form the message, what we're doing involves sending a fully-typed message or messages |
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lumidify |
IRCing |
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segfault22 |
yeah |
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segfault22 |
but maybe its better to, instead of saying "talking" or "IRCing" when you are IRCing about someone IRCing something else, like "thought you were IRCing about <x>", better to say "thought you meant <x>" |
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lumidify |
Or you could say "who cares?" :P |
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segfault22 |
so you don't have to say was/were or about, and its shorter |
| 11:48 |
segfault22 |
yeah, who cares |
| 11:49 |
segfault22 |
"thought you were whocares-ing about <x>" |
| 11:49 |
segfault22 |
< just kidding > |
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lumidify |
:P |
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segfault22 |
I was thinking about implementing an energy system mod for the game, but now I'm worried about losing the ability to produce electricity when earth reverts to a state of balanced magnetics so I have to create it in real-life too... |
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segfault22 |
you forgot to say "WTF" |
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segfault22 |
I won't use Void Linux because there's too much crap to set up the desktop environment |
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rubenwardy |
lumidify: minetest.mkdir(minetest.get_worldpath() .. "/folder_for_mod") |
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rubenwardy |
then eg: io.open(minetest.get_worldpath() .. "/folder_for_mod/file.txt", "w") |
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lumidify |
Oh, thanks! |
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rubenwardy |
also, you should check that mkdir returns true |
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lumidify |
I was looking at ways to do it in Lua, but didn't realize that Minetest had a nice utility function. |
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rubenwardy |
if not minetest.mkdir(minetest.get_worldpath() .. "/folder_for_mod") then error("Unable to create dir!") end |
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lumidify |
*plain Lua |
| 12:35 |
lumidify |
Okay, thanks |
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rubenwardy |
really the Minetest API should encourage this |
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lumidify |
Hmm, isn't minetest.mkdir documented on dev.minetest.net? |
| 12:40 |
rubenwardy |
dev.minetest.net is not the offical documentation |
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rubenwardy |
it's community managed |
| 12:40 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html is the offical documentation |
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lumidify |
Okay, yeah, I guess I should have looked at lua_api.txt first. |
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segfault22 |
not sure if unity-linux supports minetest and eclipse, or I'll have to make it all |
| 12:43 |
segfault22 |
not sure if <x> or <y> |
| 12:44 |
rubenwardy |
Linux using the Unity wm can run Minetest... |
| 12:44 |
Calinou |
there's also the Unity game engine :p |
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segfault22 |
http://unitylinux.com/index.php?id=about |
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rubenwardy |
don't see why it wouldn't work |
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rubenwardy |
just need to get the dependencies |
| 12:46 |
rubenwardy |
on older systems (like, 1998) getting libz or whatever to work may be a problem |
| 12:46 |
rubenwardy |
I tried running Minetest an old laptop I had - Celeron processor, 16MB of RAM, 4GB hard drive |
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rubenwardy |
didn't work, unfortunately |
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agaran |
16M ram? maybe in textmode it would work;) |
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Calinou |
libcaca back-end! |
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rubenwardy |
I could run this 2D city building game, I forget the name |
| 12:48 |
rubenwardy |
not sim city |
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segfault22 |
I have a newer computer system that I built, inside an old beige ATX case - it has 8GB RAM GHz CPU/GPU hybrid (2-core) and 2TB hard drive, so no system limits are really a problem |
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rubenwardy |
you'd place roads etc, and police stations and fire stations |
| 12:48 |
segfault22 |
3GHz |
| 12:48 |
Calinou |
OpenTTD? |
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rubenwardy |
no |
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rubenwardy |
1 sec |
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segfault22 |
my key isnt working |
| 12:48 |
rubenwardy |
I may still have the disc |
| 12:48 |
segfault22 |
# |
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segfault22 |
yay |
| 12:50 |
rubenwardy |
no can't find it |
| 12:50 |
segfault22 |
aww |
| 12:52 |
segfault22 |
maybe I should make my own Linux distro, that is entirely centered on Minetest |
| 12:53 |
agaran |
Calinou: openttd is awesome |
| 12:54 |
segfault22 |
it would have Minetest by default and updated via package manager, Eclipse LDT and Eclipse CDT for working with mods and the engine, GEdit with Lua syntax highlighting enabled by default, GIMP for making your textures and such, etc etc etc |
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lumidify |
GEdit? Why not Emacs? |
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rubenwardy |
lol |
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aix |
Emacs? Why not butterflies? |
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segfault22 |
emacs is hipster, cinnamon is hipster, <insert anything here> is hipster |
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lumidify |
Nah, I just set the universal constants, it's easier than the butterflies |
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segfault22 |
is Vector Linux "good"? |
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segfault22 |
oh my god, LINUX IS SKYNET |
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agaran |
vi, only vi.. |
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lumidify |
Coming soon to Minetest: the editor wars! |
| 13:08 |
agaran |
lumidify: my pick is more stone than yours;) |
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FreeFull |
kakoune |
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segfault22 |
Okay i'm going to use Puppy Linux |
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segfault22 |
yuck, furries |
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rubenwardy |
wtf is a furry anyway |
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segfault22 |
rubenwardy, you dont wanna know |
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segfault22 |
but I have to tell you because we have to prevent them from taking over |
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rubenwardy |
it seems that it's just people that dress up as animals. I don't see wants wrong with that |
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nosrick |
They tend to sexualise animal traits. |
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segfault22 |
they get nasty, posting comic pr0n and vore everywhere, and they are violent against anyone who doesn't accept or support their beliefs |
| 13:30 |
segfault22 |
and yes, what nosrick said, but they take it a lot further than that... I will not elaborate. |
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rubenwardy |
ah, well dressing up as animals is cool, but bestiality isn't |
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segfault22 |
well they can't have one without the other, its integrated into their belief system (kinda like sharia law and islam) |
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rubenwardy |
meh |
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rubenwardy |
I can see why a kid would want to be, say, a lion in a video game even if they're not a furry |
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arecascino |
shamoanjac: nosrick: anything that needs my attention? |
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agaran |
rubenwardy: may I ask something 'bot lua/luajit? |
| 13:35 |
rubenwardy |
not sure what you mean by "bot lua/luajit" |
| 13:35 |
rubenwardy |
oh, about |
| 13:35 |
rubenwardy |
sure, I guess |
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nosrick |
arecascino, there was an update last night. Bug fixes and content! |
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arecascino |
alright |
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agaran |
rubenwardy: I have something like filter-entries() that filters entries by criteria.. and I am unsure what is more efficient, pass criteria name and value as argument of function.. or pass function that evaluates to true/false so it is more flexible. Mostly I'd like to know if I lose much efficiency on passing function.. |
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arecascino |
nosrick: what branch? |
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nosrick |
master |
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rubenwardy |
not using a function would be faster, but depending on context optimisation might not be needed |
| 13:38 |
rubenwardy |
"premature optimisation is the route of all evils" or smth |
| 13:38 |
nosrick |
Develop will update every few hours (probably), but is almost guaranteed to be a pile of shit |
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agaran |
rubenwardy: I know, but I have little clue about lua, in C, I would use objdump to see what resulting assembly is... |
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agaran |
it will be evaluating like 300-400 tables with 2+ entries each and that has to be quick.. (network rescan on edit/delete) |
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segfault22 |
I used to have Vista on the machine which I will be using for a server, except it was only available as 32bit and the machine is capable of 64bit |
| 13:42 |
segfault22 |
so I switched to linux to get to use those other 32 bits |
| 13:42 |
segfault22 |
4 bytes |
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agaran |
rubenwardy: but maybe you are right, do code, put measurement of execution time in there, check if you need to tweak |
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segfault22 |
is puppy linux good? |
| 13:47 |
segfault22 |
is puppy linux good for minetest and eclipseLDT? |
| 13:47 |
Preuk |
segfault22: does it fetch? |
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segfault22 |
xD |
| 13:47 |
Preuk |
it's not worse than another one, it's just specifics there |
| 13:48 |
Preuk |
if you're new to linux, i'd advise a more "mainstream" distro, i mean one with a big userbase and a lot of resources (Q&A, wiki, docs, etc.) |
| 13:48 |
segfault22 |
I have used linux for some time but I have not modified it heavily... |
| 13:49 |
segfault22 |
I am concerned about the SystemD spyware/backdoor situation (scope creep, my-way-or-the-highway attitude from devs when this was never the way before, opaque binary blob, etc) |
| 13:49 |
Preuk |
thumb rule : if distro tag is on first page of tag list on http://superuser.com/tags it's good to go :) |
| 13:50 |
Preuk |
well, for "pure" distros, it's a bit more confidential |
| 13:50 |
segfault22 |
Since Ubuntu is using SystemD I have to also find a distribution that can be installed to run command-line only for a server machine |
| 13:51 |
Preuk |
(hell, they removed most distro-specific tags) |
| 13:51 |
Preuk |
ubuntu-server :p |
| 13:51 |
Preuk |
arch is nice for that, as is gentoo (big user base, freedom of choice) |
| 13:52 |
Preuk |
but you might sweat bullets for a few weeks before you feel home there |
| 13:52 |
segfault22 |
lol |
| 13:57 |
segfault22 |
I am seeing on the website some editions that are reduced to have no graphical interface, just the CLI |
| 13:57 |
segfault22 |
but they are from 2013 |
| 13:59 |
agaran |
I have my debian without systemd.. but thats /me |
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segfault22 |
cool |
| 14:00 |
segfault22 |
however I am worried that as soon as some new package gets required for something else to work, said new package will depend on SystemD and force it to be installed without you being able to do anything else except just not update ever again... |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
>I am concerned about the SystemD spyware/backdoor situation |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
can you move your anti-systemd shilling back to /tech/? |
| 14:01 |
segfault22 |
its not shilling |
| 14:01 |
segfault22 |
I have good reasons |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
spyware/backdoor is not one of them |
| 14:01 |
rubenwardy |
Just don't let sof ar see them :) |
| 14:02 |
rubenwardy |
without the space |
| 14:02 |
segfault22 |
how can you prove that SystemD is not malware? |
| 14:02 |
rubenwardy |
because it's open source? |
| 14:02 |
sfan5 |
how can you prove that it is malware? |
| 14:02 |
segfault22 |
we can't, we can only discern what it may be based on how it has behaved, and the behavior of the developers |
| 14:03 |
sfan5 |
lmao |
| 14:03 |
rubenwardy |
Same way you can prove Linux isn't malware |
| 14:03 |
rubenwardy |
by linux I mean the kernel, but applies also to all areas |
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segfault22 |
as long as Linus Torvalds is alive, we can rely on the kernel to be "safe" |
| 14:05 |
segfault22 |
as in, not deliberately designed to be insecure |
| 14:06 |
segfault22 |
upstart was fine and very useful, then one day the developers abandoned it and that's the excuse for switching to the new-and-updated SystemD |
| 14:07 |
segfault22 |
upstart still works, but you can't find it in the package manager any more. For what other reason would they remove it if people may want to use it and its still usable, other than to prevent people from using it? |
| 14:07 |
sfan5 |
they removed it because they didn't want to maintain it |
| 14:07 |
sfan5 |
that simple |
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segfault22 |
the koolaid is good for some sheeple but I am not one. |
| 14:08 |
sfan5 |
ok you can stop shilling now |
| 14:09 |
segfault22 |
upstart was fine, there was no problem with maintaining it. SystemD is far more complex than upstart ever was, and the scope has creeped all over the place |
| 14:09 |
behalebabo |
segfault22: apt show upstart |
| 14:09 |
behalebabo |
apt show upstart-sysv |
| 14:09 |
Preuk |
segfault22: do what real men do, switch to *BSD |
| 14:09 |
segfault22 |
E: Unable to locate package upstart-sysv |
| 14:10 |
behalebabo |
what OS version do you have? |
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* Preuk |
runs away laughting maniacaly |
| 14:10 |
rubenwardy |
maybe sofar could pitch in here :D |
| 14:10 |
segfault22 |
trying to get upstart-sysv from the archive, the package manager tells you that there are unsatisfied dependencies. trying to install those dependencies results in conflicts. Oh the version is linux mint 17.3 |
| 14:11 |
segfault22 |
I could just uninstall systemd without changing anything else, and hope it works |
| 14:11 |
segfault22 |
else install puppy linux and get rid of it |
| 14:12 |
behalebabo |
In Ubuntu 16.04 upstart-sysv simply requires a removal of the systemd-sysv and ubuntu-standard packages |
| 14:13 |
behalebabo |
perhaps Mint is misconfigured |
| 14:13 |
segfault22 |
perhaps |
| 14:13 |
segfault22 |
I haven't configured anything related to the package manager, though, so it would be misconfigured by default |
| 14:14 |
behalebabo |
Mint has it's own repositories as well |
| 14:14 |
segfault22 |
yes, I have noticed that |
| 14:15 |
segfault22 |
its too much problems, I'll just go ahead and use puppy linux |
| 14:16 |
behalebabo |
There is also https://devuan.org/ |
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segfault22 |
cool |
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segfault22 |
if it has a minimal installation, for CLI only server, that will be great |
| 14:17 |
behalebabo |
IIRC you can select to not install X during debian install |
| 14:18 |
segfault22 |
cool |
| 14:18 |
segfault22 |
devuan even has an .onion site for installing/updating through the tor darknet, c00l |
| 14:18 |
behalebabo |
debian does as well |
| 14:19 |
segfault22 |
would it be unreasonable to make a fork of minetest where it is configured to route all traffic through tor? |
| 14:19 |
behalebabo |
yes |
| 14:19 |
behalebabo |
that much traffic would be a great load on tor, and very slow |
| 14:19 |
segfault22 |
it would be slow and burden the network, right? |
| 14:20 |
segfault22 |
ok I wont do it |
| 14:20 |
behalebabo |
stuff like torrenting or games don't work well with tor |
| 14:21 |
segfault22 |
if SystemD is safe and all-good, why are so many people refusing to use it, why have so many developers left from projects that now use it, and why are there so many distributions that are designed specifically to prevent it being installed? |
| 14:21 |
sfan5 |
segfault22: yes it would be unreasonable because it wont fucking work |
| 14:21 |
sfan5 |
tor doesnt do udp |
| 14:22 |
behalebabo |
there are difficult ways to do that, sfan5 |
| 14:22 |
behalebabo |
such as https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Tunnel_UDP_over_Tor |
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Preuk |
3000ms lag sounds great |
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sfan5 |
you need a vpn for that |
| 14:23 |
segfault22 |
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2195/2323907359_7ded67bccb.jpg |
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agaran |
Preuk: only ?;) |
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segfault22 |
TCP liquid Directions: 1. soak cotton wool with TCP 2. apply to affected area of patient 3. make sure it helped; if not, repeat. UDP liquid Directions: 1. open bottle 2. flick liquid in general direction of patient 3. bugger off |
| 14:27 |
segfault22 |
is it not funny?... :C |
| 14:27 |
Preuk |
:) |
| 14:27 |
Preuk |
nice analogy |
| 14:27 |
segfault22 |
:D |
| 14:28 |
Preuk |
what about a PBEM net connector, like freeciv does ? |
| 14:28 |
Preuk |
play 3 seconds, send mail, wiat for other players, retreive mails, play 3 seconds... |
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agaran |
Preuk: i'd rather use affected-blocks count.. than seconds |
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segfault22 |
is it reasonable to use a globalstep function to iterate through a list of "producer" machines connected to "consumer" machines, transferring some amount of power from each producer to the connected consumer(s) if there is any available (1 globalstep = every 0.05s)? |
| 14:30 |
Preuk |
reminds me of a (pretty old) web game that synced by getting a static data file updated by server based on client events |
| 14:31 |
Preuk |
segfault22: too fast, i'd advise you to use bigger "packets" with lower frequency |
| 14:31 |
Preuk |
and use buffers on both sides |
| 14:31 |
segfault22 |
buffers? |
| 14:32 |
Preuk |
consumer gets a buffer that can run process for say 2-5 seconds |
| 14:32 |
Preuk |
and consume only local (buffer) resources |
| 14:32 |
segfault22 |
I was just going to use arithmetic to measure how much power should move from the producer's storage to the consumer's storage, is that a buffer? |
| 14:32 |
Preuk |
transfer should then be done from producer to buffer with a lower frequency |
| 14:33 |
Preuk |
depends on your need |
| 14:33 |
Preuk |
for accurate simulation i don't know the engine weel enought to answer |
| 14:33 |
segfault22 |
okay, should I try to make it run every other globalstep, or every fourth globalstep, or is there some other way to run the function at interfals greater than 0.05s (globalstep) and less than 1s (abm) |
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Preuk |
but for a "gamey" system, it's better to cheat and stremline process a bit |
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agaran |
segfault22: you need to find balance between physically accurate system and playability.. |
| 14:34 |
Preuk |
abm interval sounds good enough for any playable system |
| 14:35 |
Preuk |
any high frequency system won't be noticeable (unless perfs drop) by players |
| 14:35 |
segfault22 |
right, this won't be accurate to reality because magnetic resonance power systems don't exist yet |
| 14:35 |
agaran |
if you dive into van der walls equations to simulate proper energy effort for steam compression to determine how much energy it actually stores.. you may get physics award recognition.. but not playable stuff |
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segfault22 |
xD |
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aix |
where do we schematics go? |
| 14:36 |
segfault22 |
I'm just going to make a very simple power system, but I don't want to use an ABM (like technic) because it makes it look like the system is slow |
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sfan5 |
aix: you decide for yourself |
| 14:37 |
Preuk |
segfault22: as i said, use high frequency simulation where it's noticeable (inside each component when monitoring) |
| 14:37 |
Preuk |
and low granularity for general processing |
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Preuk |
say you use ABM for power packet transfer between producers/processors/whatever |
| 14:39 |
Preuk |
and a local buffer for each processor that can hold about 5sec worth of resource |
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| 14:40 |
Preuk |
updating this local buffer once per second (or 2 seconds ever) should be enough to keep it running smoothly, even if processing itself need 0.05sec steps for processing |
| 14:41 |
Preuk |
best part is you can not even use globalsteps unless player is really close or even using processor form |
| 14:41 |
segfault22 |
globalsteps are valid for loaded chunks, right? |
| 14:42 |
Preuk |
there can bit quite a lot of loaded chunks |
| 14:43 |
Preuk |
when setting up and tuning, it is indeed nice to have accurate mertrics, to fine tune and optimize everything |
| 14:44 |
rubenwardy |
segfault22, globalsteps aren't per map block |
| 14:44 |
Preuk |
but when your supply line is up and running, who care if internal steps simulation is updated every 10 seconds as long as final product keep flowing ? |
| 14:44 |
rubenwardy |
global steps are run every dedicated_server_step (by default 0.1 s) |
| 14:44 |
rubenwardy |
you may mean abm |
| 14:45 |
segfault22 |
globalsteps are VALID for loaded chunks, right? |
| 14:45 |
rubenwardy |
no, they have nothing to do with chunks |
| 14:45 |
segfault22 |
ABM is still too slow |
| 14:45 |
rubenwardy |
use the setting to make ABMs run more often - by default the min inteval is 1s |
| 14:46 |
segfault22 |
what setting? |
| 14:46 |
segfault22 |
interval can be only an integer representing seconds. anything less that 1 defaults to 1. |
| 14:46 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L1010 |
| 14:46 |
rubenwardy |
the interval is a float, it's just that the code by default only runs abms once a second |
| 14:47 |
rubenwardy |
also, take a look at node timers |
| 14:47 |
rubenwardy |
http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html#nodetimerref |
| 14:48 |
segfault22 |
I didn't know there was a node timer system, is that new? |
| 14:48 |
segfault22 |
like it hasn't been around before 0.4.4 |
| 14:49 |
segfault22 |
I noticed there's a problem with using globalstep for the power transfer function - it will try to transfer power for nodes that are not loaded. |
| 14:50 |
segfault22 |
node timer looks promising, but it regrettably won't be as simple as iterating through a list of producers connected to consumers. |
| 14:51 |
rubenwardy |
a global step is equivalent to doing function foo() minetest.after(0.1, foo) end; minetest.after(0.1, foo) |
| 14:52 |
rubenwardy |
it runs a function once every server step |
| 14:52 |
rubenwardy |
not per node or map block or map chunk or map sector or anything else |
| 14:52 |
rubenwardy |
infact, minetest.after was implemented in lua using global step |
| 14:52 |
segfault22 |
the timer will be implemented for producers, on_timer will iterate through the producer's list of connected consumers, first counting them and then transferring an amount of power based on the throughput of the conduit divided by the number of consumers... |
| 14:53 |
segfault22 |
what you mean minetest.after() isn't called only once? That breaks my function to close my open files when the game starts, because its trying to close them forever |
| 14:53 |
segfault22 |
new problem,... |
| 14:54 |
segfault22 |
Is there a way to call a function only once after the game-server is initiated? |
| 14:54 |
rubenwardy |
global step runs a function once every server step |
| 14:54 |
segfault22 |
yes |
| 14:54 |
rubenwardy |
so actually it's not equivalent due to the map shut down problem |
| 14:55 |
segfault22 |
okay it doesnt have to be equivalent because I'm not going to use it, is there a way to run a function only once at the time the game-server is initiated (after mods load) |
| 14:56 |
rubenwardy |
minetest.after(0, function() end) will run a function once, on the first ever server step |
| 14:56 |
rubenwardy |
if you call it when the mod loads |
| 14:58 |
segfault22 |
so minetest.after() doesn't run every globalstep or few globalsteps? |
| 14:58 |
segfault22 |
if so then my code for closing the files is fine as it is, no change is needed. |
| 14:59 |
segfault22 |
I will be using the node timer, thank you for telling me about it because I didn't know it exists |
| 14:59 |
segfault22 |
not for closing my files, but for the power transfer thing |
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rubenwardy |
no, minetest.after runs a function once on the first server tick after the time elapses |
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segfault22 |
okay, thank you |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, it's a LOT to read...I only added the lines from just before the lags...only when CPU spiked to 60+% http://pastebin.com/9FkvH6c8 |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: hmm.. looks like sending a lot of data to client plus bulk metadata updates? |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, I'd more towards meta data changes...that would at least explain why it still happens after removing mods, after setting server steps higher, even after recompiling...meta data is saved in the map.sqlite file AFAIK |
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IhrFussel |
I'd lean* |
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IhrFussel |
And yes I can confirm that the ENTIRE Server thread HANGS when it happens...cause there is not 1 single log entry at the time the lags occur |
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agaran |
yep, maybe its good to find how much metadata are there, or maybe trying to change database from sqlite to postgres if it uses indexing.. |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, can you even migrate to another DB type with an existing world? |
| 15:57 |
agaran |
I see no reason why not.. |
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agaran |
if nothing else there is sql-translator.. it can port your db design from mysql to oracle/postgres and whatever else |
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IhrFussel |
Question to experts: Does the node meta data update on each server step? Or in realtime? I mean internally |
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red-001 |
isn't #minetest-dev the place for questions like that? |
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red-001 |
also what do you mean by update? |
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IhrFussel |
red-001, like does the engine only read/write node data from/to the DB on each server step or also in between? For example when server step is set to 1.0 will it mean the node data in the DB is only updated once per second? |
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IhrFussel |
The actual problem: It seems like the lag spikes in my server are caused by many node_meta_data changes...so I'm wondering whether the engine actually stores all meta data changes in memory and updates the DB only after the next server step or if that happens anytime in between too |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: even if core stores data in database, it is not saved until sync is happening, though you can call fsync(), for that solution would be temporarly move db to some absolutely fast medium like shm, but SSD is not much slower.. |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: other solution is use other database and see if problem persist.. |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, no I'm wondering if my approach is just the exact WRONG direction...I thought increasing the server step interval would help reducing lag but maybe DEcreasing the interval would help IN CASE meta data changes only happen once per server step |
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agaran |
hmm that canbe true, and to find out one needs to find where metadata sync code is.. |
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IhrFussel |
Cause if the engine only updates nodes + their meta data once per server step it would mean the game right now actually WAITS 1.5 seconds and gets maybe overloaded with the meta data changes before it can update everything and clear resources |
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Krock |
PC shut down the 2nd time (within a week) for no obvious reason. Is this a bag sign? :( |
| 16:28 |
agaran |
hmm all data are in blocks table.. metadata and everthing else.. |
| 16:28 |
Krock |
*bad |
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red-001 |
wouldn't the game seem laggier the longer time between server steps anyway? |
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agaran |
Krock: any odd noises? |
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Jordach |
Krock,check the power button on the front isn't getting stuck |
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Jordach |
or your temps |
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Krock |
agaran, none |
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agaran |
Krock: odd, for me such usuall was failing power supply or mainboard capacitors getting dead |
| 16:29 |
Krock |
Jordach, already checked that one. A-ok. The temps are very low, measuring 42°C average temp for CPU |
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Jordach |
Krock, check power buttons connection to the mobo |
| 16:29 |
red-001 |
check if the power cable is not loose properly |
| 16:29 |
Krock |
hmm. Then it might me the latter one |
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Krock |
caps drying out |
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red-001 |
ignore the last word |
| 16:30 |
Krock |
hehe |
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* Krock |
quit (Remote host closed connection) |
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IhrFussel |
To find that out I'll just reduce the server step interval to a minimum... red-001 , it updates the world actions slower yes but internally it should still accept any input...I'll just set it to 0.3 on next server restart |
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Jordach |
Krock, no, not funny - quassel has arrows on part / join |
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Krock |
Jordach, and stars (*) for ACTION? |
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segfault22 |
is it okay to change the dedicated_server_step from 0.1 to like 0.05 |
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segfault22 |
or even 0.01 or 0.005 |
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segfault22 |
this wont be running on an old intel i960 or something, I'm going to host te server on a machine with a 2GHz AMD Athlon X2 64 processor, 160GB main hard drive and identical for backup, and 7GB RAM (even though the system was only designed to run a maximum 4GB RAM (possibly because it was the maximum available back then, and they thought "well then this is the physical limit to how much RAM you can put in it anyways, no sense saying it can support m |
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segfault22 |
ore, even though it really can" and technology marches on) it looks like it can handle the 7GB just fine |
| 17:04 |
segfault22 |
THE |
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segfault22 |
damn KEYBPOARD |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
segfault22: sure, feel free to set it to 0.05 |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
it'll make other player movement appear smoother for example |
| 17:05 |
segfault22 |
okay good :D |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
there is not much point in going below |
| 17:06 |
segfault22 |
tank you |
| 17:06 |
segfault22 |
thank |
| 17:06 |
segfault22 |
my H-key is messing up, so is the E key and both 3 keys... |
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segfault22 |
You know how when you turn on a laser-pointer (or an LED with a proper waveguide), the light goes out in a nearly perfectly straight beam, but when you put your finger over the opening it lights up the whole end of your finger? its kinda like how optical fibers work,... now if you take a whole bunch of those LEDs or lasers, and put them right next to a light-detector of the corresponding frequency, you make a sort of true optical keyboard, where th |
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segfault22 |
e light is only conducted to the light-detector when your finger is close enough to the LED/laser to reflect the light internally enough to reach where the detector is |
| 17:13 |
segfault22 |
not nearly as complicated as making one of those light-based "keyboards" that projects an image of the "keys" onto some surface and detects when your finger is "pressing" one, but it would be more reliable (if tuned properly) so that it won't think your finger is pressing several keys just because its hovering over more than one |
| 17:25 |
Krock |
got an "interesting" link in one of my new recieved possibly-spam mails: https://survey.andreldm.com/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=1 |
| 17:25 |
Krock |
was anyone else here pointed to that site too? |
| 17:26 |
rubenwardy |
not seen that |
| 17:26 |
agaran |
neither me |
| 17:26 |
Krock |
it seems that they mass-mail everybody who ever contributed to a popular open source project |
| 17:26 |
segfault22 |
well I'm glad someone is interested in how C++ stuff gets developed |
| 17:26 |
rubenwardy |
I get quite a few emails "offering jobs" |
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segfault22 |
but its not nice to mass-mail right? kinda like how its not nice to mass-destruct? |
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Krock |
yeah, me too. Another guy found my long-lost 6 million dollar and only wanted to know my credit card number |
| 17:27 |
Krock |
seems legit |
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Krock |
*cough* |
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agaran |
lmao |
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segfault22 |
lool |
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segfault22 |
I'm getting this weird graphical problem in Eclipse, where a line of code is in the wrong place or some characters are doubled-up, except when I click on it or scroll away and back, it goes back to normal |
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rubenwardy |
ew eclipse ;) |
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octacian |
lol I'm currently having a discussion about inventories. It's getting quite heated... :D |
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Krock |
apt-get remove eclipse |
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Krock |
or was it uninstall? |
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Krock |
nvm, you see what I mean |
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rubenwardy |
this will free 1.6 GB of space. Are you sure? [y/N] |
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agaran |
lol |
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rubenwardy |
I feel like there's a your mama joke in here somewhere |
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agaran |
not really, just amount of space that eclipse might indeed take is funny |
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segfault22 |
I might use something other than eclipse someday, that is if that something is ever having an interface as good as or better than eclipse, and depending on how easy it is to use compared to eclipse |
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rubenwardy |
I personally use Intellij, even though I have a feeling it's not completely foss |
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rubenwardy |
nice interface though |
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segfault22 |
currently, everything else has the advantage of taking less space, but setting it up is so much trouble, you're better off writing it onto the hard-drive platters with a magnetic pen |
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segfault22 |
oh and yeah, most of the alternatives aren't FSF-compliant |
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Calinou |
rubenwardy: IntelliJ/PyCharm Community Edition are not completely FOSS indeed - they have a few proprietary libraries |
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Calinou |
but the base code is Apache 2.0 |
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Calinou |
obviously, the Ultimate Editions are proprietary |
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Nosrick |
Got a quick question for anyone who has experience importing models into Minetest. |
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Nosrick |
Why is it rotated all weird? |
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Nosrick |
Never mind, turns out that .x is a crap format anyway |
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Calinou |
Nosrick: prefer .b3d, it is smaller |
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Nosrick |
Can't be edited, though |
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Nosrick |
I'm using .obj |
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KaadmY |
Nosrick: .x has major animation problems, too |
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KaadmY |
it did for me at least |
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Nosrick |
Thanks for the tip! |
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Calinou |
.obj has no animation support :P |
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KaadmY |
i think it can do armatures |
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KaadmY |
not sure how though |
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segfault22 |
I have this function to look for a certain table within a table, based on the first value in the inner table, then find some other value in the inner table and return it. currently it uses ipairs and iterates through the whole outer table until it finds the inner table with the specified first entry. Is there a better way to do this? |
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* twoelk |
seems to have wrecked his firefox during updating |
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Passant |
hi there, i have someone who wanna know how to split stack using the android minetest client. since i only played on desktop 'til now i have no idea so i though i just ask for him here :) |
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segfault22 |
ipairs machine it is |
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segfault22 |
is there a way I can make /dev/urandom fetch data from some atmospheric noise RNG site? |
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segfault22 |
better yet, if I get a quantum flux RNG device, connect it via USB, can I make /dev/urandom use it? |
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aix |
segfault22: hire some typists |
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segfault22 |
... |
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Nosrick |
Anyone got any tutorials on world generation? |
| 20:44 |
aix |
...to write a PRNG for you |
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segfault22 |
nevermind, I'll go write my own OS with an opened hard drive and a magnetic pen now... |
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aix |
lol |
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aix |
and butterflies |
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aix |
don't forget that |
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segfault22 |
... ... ... |
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aix |
though i guess you could use emacs |
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segfault22 |
xD |
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aix |
one of my favourite comics |
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segfault22 |
but all deh pr05 use the magnetic pen method |
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segfault22 |
the leather armies have prevailed, the Phantom Lord has never failed; smoke is lifting from the ground, the rising volume metal sound |
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Passant |
nevermind, i found an issue on github, thanks anyway |
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segfault22 |
I have found this problem where I can't specify a table key (the thing in square brackets) to take the value from a variable,... it treats the variable name as the key |
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segfault22 |
Lua is not the best after all |
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segfault22 |
the only way to force the key in square brackets [] to take a value from something else, is to make YET ANOTHER function which returns that value... |
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behalebabo |
eh? can you give an example? |
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behalebabo |
you could also try wrapping the variable in parentheses |
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segfault22 |
okay |
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segfault22 |
maybe that will work |
| 21:25 |
segfault22 |
there is something wrong with my code |
| 21:26 |
segfault22 |
I was just using a different function for each possible key, as there were only 4 possible keys for the application |
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segfault22 |
maybe I should leave it as it is |
| 21:30 |
segfault22 |
it works!!! |
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segfault22 |
Thank you!! |
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segfault22 |
behalebabo you helped me turn 36 lines of code into only 12! this is considerably more space-efficient, and elegant. Thank you :D |
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behalebabo |
np :) |
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Ronsor |
will someone play minetest with me, yet again? because i need to do something fun now cuz comcast boxes are obviously cheap |
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segfault22 |
maybe you should host a server |
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segfault22 |
there's also several servers with many people online, maybe you could have fun there |
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segfault22 |
oh and note that comcast is a scam/ripoff company, they have countless bad ratings on ratings sites from people they've screwed |
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Ronsor |
i do host a server |
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Ronsor |
and i know comcast is scam |
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Ronsor |
we also have att uverse |
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Ronsor |
which also sucks |
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Ronsor |
gotta wait for that GFiber |
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Ronsor |
and my server is: ron-sor.net port 30000, default password: ronsorminetest |
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Ronsor |
so yes i host a server |
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segfault22 |
cool :D |
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Ronsor |
ever since 0.4.12 was relevant too |
| 21:55 |
segfault22 |
you know the ISPs have been using terabytes/s fiber optic for a long time now, the only reason they are letting people have GBit speeds now is because they cheap out on network infrastructure, most notably the DSLAM/multiplexers, because they like to pocket most of the money people pay for the service instead of using the money to actually support and upgrade the infrastructure |
| 21:58 |
Ronsor |
oh hey a forest fire |
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Ronsor |
how to stop a minetest forest fire |
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Ronsor |
... |
| 22:10 |
Ronsor |
http://prntscr.com/cbv68c |
| 22:19 |
Ronsor |
well my town is dead |
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Calinou |
Ronsor: disable_fire = true |
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Calinou |
in minetest.conf |
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Calinou |
that won't undo damage though :P |
| 22:28 |
Ronsor |
yeah |
| 22:28 |
Ronsor |
tat's an issue |
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Ronsor |
its too late |
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Ronsor |
half the town is burnt |
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Ronsor |
also i found worledit |
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Ronsor |
can do that |
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Ronsor |
hi Yst |
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Yst |
Greetings, Ronsor! |
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Jordach |
!tell Krock yes |
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MinetestBot |
Jordach: yeah, sure, whatever |
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KaadmY |
:P |
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Jordach |
i'm reverse engineering old 1980's proprietary connectors due to them being unicorn rare |
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Jordach |
and having a suitable 3d printing replacement |
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Yst |
Hmm. It seems that MinetestBot has a bit of an attitude these days. |
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Yst |
Jordach: What do you need those connectors for, if I may ask? |
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Jordach |
Sony hifi equipment |
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Yst |
Hi-Fi is high-quality sound, right? |
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Jordach |
ye |
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Jordach |
ebay. their offical parts dealer doesn't even have it |
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Yst |
So how is the reverse engineering going so far? |
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Jordach |
http://freeservicemanuals.info/en/ <- |
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Jordach |
however, connectors aren't listed |
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Yst |
Hmm. |
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Jordach |
chips, part no. are useful |
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Jordach |
but the actual connectors (EBP-10) are 1.5v |
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Nosrick |
Anyone know what format the map generation heightmap comes in? |
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Nosrick |
Is it a 1D or 2D array? A table? |
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paramat |
flat array of x-rows joined end to end |
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Nosrick |
Aw, fuck |
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paramat |
so a table with a single index |
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Nosrick |
Is the index (x, z)? |
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paramat |
nope, (z - zmin) * chunksize + (x - xmin) + 1 |
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paramat |
chunksize = 80 by default |
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Nosrick |
Ah, thank you. |
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paramat |
'flat array' means a 2D space converted into a 1D table by joining the x rows end to end |
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paramat |
all 3D flat arrays (3D noise, voxelmanip) work the same way |
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Nosrick |
VoxelArea:new is returning nil. |
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Nosrick |
Why? |
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Nosrick |
local area = VoxelArea:new{ MinEdge = minp, MaxEdge = maxp } |
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Nosrick |
That's what I've got, it's nil. |
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paramat |
local area = VoxelArea:new{MinEdge=emin, MaxEdge=emax} |
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Nosrick |
My minp is emin |
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Nosrick |
And my maxp is emax |
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paramat |
are you using this inside an on-generated function? |
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paramat |
ah |
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Nosrick |
Yeah, I am. |
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paramat |
emin != chunk minp |
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paramat |
emin emax are the corners of the full voxelmanip volume which extends 16 nodes beyond mapchunk borders |
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paramat |
so vm volume is 112^3 |
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paramat |
it's the mapchunk plus a mapblock-thick shell |
| 23:34 |
Nosrick |
Right, okay. |
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Nosrick |
How do I get emin? |
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paramat |
essential because mapgen needs to generate stuff outside the mapchunk, and make stuff overlap |
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paramat |
local vm, emin, emax = minetest.get_mapgen_object("voxelmanip") |
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paramat |
do you need a simple example of lua mapgen? |
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Nosrick |
Maybe. Gimme a moment. |
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paramat |
hm actually i need to write one, but my mods are good mapgen examples https://github.com/paramat?tab=repositories |
