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Bekfast_La_Twin |
HOI I FIGURED OUT IRC |
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Bekfast_La_Twin |
Vault? You here? |
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Vault |
yes |
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Bekfast_La_Twin |
Lol how do u pm? |
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Megaf |
Bekfast_La_Twin: /query Nick |
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Bekfast_La_Twin |
Lmao Vault! XDDDD |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
use #VaultBoy |
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Bekfast_La_Twin |
Okay ;) |
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Megaf |
:) |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
funny |
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Resurgence |
Hi guys its me bakfast |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
oh |
| 01:39 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
geeze XD |
| 01:39 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
I was going to say after I saw your IP |
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Resurgence |
XD hi vault |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
XD hi |
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sea` |
Does anyone wanna help me harvest my tomatoes? |
| 01:41 |
Resurgence |
XD ARE WE EVER GOING TO Stop SAYING XD |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
no Resurgence |
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Resurgence |
FOR NO REASON |
| 01:42 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
NEVER |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
btw this is the Minetest geek channel anyways |
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Resurgence |
Yeah I know |
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Resurgence |
Ara |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
wrong channel kid |
| 01:44 |
Resurgence |
What channel should I join then |
| 01:44 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
you need to join the daconcepts network |
| 01:44 |
Resurgence |
How |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
facepalm |
| 01:45 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
look it up |
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Resurgence |
? |
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Resurgence |
Its not working |
| 01:48 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
well duh you have to go to the network |
| 01:48 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
your on freenode network |
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thepiercingarrow |
hey |
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thepiercingarrow |
bak |
| 01:52 |
thepiercingarrow |
and Vault_Le_Twin |
| 01:52 |
thepiercingarrow |
ti mean vault |
| 01:53 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
Resurgence, is Bak |
| 01:53 |
Resurgence |
Yep yep |
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thepiercingarrow |
what? |
| 01:53 |
thepiercingarrow |
i mean bakfast |
| 01:53 |
thepiercingarrow |
vault, you there? |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
yes |
| 01:53 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
Im Vault |
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thepiercingarrow |
you are vault? |
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thepiercingarrow |
Resurgence: you are bakfast? |
| 01:53 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
resurge is Bakfast |
| 01:54 |
Resurgence |
Yeah I am bakfast arrow |
| 01:55 |
Resurgence |
Arrow? |
| 01:56 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
thepiercingarrow, |
| 01:56 |
Bakfast |
Hello arrow you there? |
| 01:56 |
thepiercingarrow |
yes Bakfast |
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thepiercingarrow |
hi |
| 01:56 |
thepiercingarrow |
wazzup? |
| 01:57 |
Bakfast |
Dude why are you talking to at sexual |
| 01:57 |
thepiercingarrow |
what? |
| 01:57 |
Bakfast |
*ara not at |
| 01:57 |
thepiercingarrow |
what? |
| 01:57 |
Bakfast |
I know how you have been talking to her |
| 01:57 |
thepiercingarrow |
yep |
| 01:58 |
thepiercingarrow |
what bout it |
| 01:58 |
Bakfast |
And why are you talking to her like that |
| 01:59 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
<Bekfast_La_Twin> Lmao idfk his name is sea and he's "the God of irc and I have displeased him" |
| 01:59 |
Bakfast |
I wish there was some kind of spectating mode to this app |
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thepiercingarrow |
Bakfast: you'll have to be more specific |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
no but theres a VaultBoy :P |
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Bekfast_La_Twin |
Lmao found you ! I was mentioned lol |
| 02:00 |
Bakfast |
You are being sexual to her |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
XD |
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thepiercingarrow |
Bakfast: no.. im not |
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thepiercingarrow |
im seriously |
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thepiercingarrow |
not |
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Bakfast |
Bek |
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Bekfast_La_Twin |
HOLD ON TYPING SLOW AF |
| 02:00 |
Bakfast |
DID YOU LIE TO ME |
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Bakfast |
?!?!?!!?!!?!?! |
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thepiercingarrow |
me? |
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Bekfast_La_Twin |
You said some shit about Ara liking it down deep -_- |
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thepiercingarrow |
chances are bek didnt lie |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
/join #VaultBoy |
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Bakfast |
No but k |
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Bekfast_La_Twin |
(ara) |
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Bakfast |
*bek |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
keep this out of mainchat |
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Bekfast_La_Twin |
Lol oops :P |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
you too bak |
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Bakfast |
How do I make it private |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
/join #VaultBoy |
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thepiercingarrow |
Bakfast: do /join #VaultBoy |
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Bakfast |
Did I join |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
yes |
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Bakfast |
Ok |
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Bakfast |
Arrow WTF you saying that for |
| 02:05 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
wrong channel Bakfast |
| 02:05 |
Bakfast |
? |
| 02:06 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
your talking in minetest talk in VaultBoy |
| 02:06 |
Bakfast |
? |
| 02:06 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
oh ferdunt |
| 02:06 |
Bakfast |
How I thought I was in |
| 02:06 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
you are |
| 02:06 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
but your speaking in the wrong channel |
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thepiercingarrow |
bye |
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AntumDeluge |
Continuing my questions on my custom node from #minetest-dev..... |
| 02:24 |
AntumDeluge |
So the naming looks okay to me. I've got the files "glass_green.png" & "glass_green_detail.png" in the subfolder "textures": https://postimg.org/image/4c62i61b1/ |
| 02:25 |
AntumDeluge |
I thought at first the problem might be because the images were using RGB, so I changed them to indexed color. But that didn't fix anything. |
| 02:26 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
change the names completely? |
| 02:26 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
im sorry im useless if it was minecraft, this would be a snap because it's all ID based |
| 02:27 |
AntumDeluge |
I've got an idea that I am going to try.... |
| 02:27 |
AntumDeluge |
going to use images from "default" mod to see if they work for it. |
| 02:27 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
ive done 4 years of minecrap so im doing Minetest |
| 02:29 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
look if you ever need minecraft help come bug me otherwise Minetest erm ill be kinda useless |
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AntumDeluge |
Nope, the textures from "default" don't work either. |
| 02:30 |
AntumDeluge |
I've only ever played Minecraft once. I don't plan on playing it anymore. |
| 02:31 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
the PC edition is actually very interesting after modding it |
| 02:32 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
if your smart enough there are many break points for it |
| 02:32 |
AntumDeluge |
So, to show what I had posted in #minetest-dev this is the code: http://pastebin.com/69xJs16P |
| 02:33 |
AntumDeluge |
And this is what it looks like when I play: https://postimg.org/image/drhchmty5/ |
| 02:33 |
AntumDeluge |
There is no image in the inventory & in hand it's just a gray/white rectangle. |
| 02:33 |
AntumDeluge |
It can't be placed either, like I intended. |
| 02:36 |
AntumDeluge |
In the first image that I posted, I had registered a second node called "glass:test". That one works, all except the texture. It has the "unknown item" texture. |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
this is a mod correct?] |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
nvm im shutting up |
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AntumDeluge |
Yes, it is a mod. |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
so why not try to base it off of other mods? |
| 02:49 |
AntumDeluge |
What do you mean? All it is is a node. I just copied the code from "default:glass" & changed to textures to make them green. |
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AntumDeluge |
I'm not getting any error output from it either. |
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shivajiva |
nm0i do you run light creative server? |
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nm0i |
Oh please stop |
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nm0i |
I'm in good mood |
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nm0i |
I drew cool rose earlier |
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nm0i |
Don't ruin it |
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Chinchou |
Holy crap. |
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Chinchou |
I think I may have lost my motivation to keep up on logs in large channels. Not because the log is large, but because /what the hell was that/. |
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swift110 |
ol |
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* Chinchou |
facepalms |
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thepiercingarrow |
hey |
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thepiercingarrow |
hey Vault_Le_Twin |
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Chinchou |
Segfaults are such nasty business. |
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* Chinchou |
prods the server |
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Chinchou |
Arise |
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thepiercingarrow |
prood |
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thepiercingarrow |
ahh |
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thepiercingarrow |
*wakes up* |
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Chinchou |
Maybe I should make a debug build in case that happens again. |
| 04:52 |
Chinchou |
Rebuilding the server is competing with making lunch for the greater part of my laziness right now. |
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thepiercingarrow |
what? |
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thepiercingarrow |
what happened? |
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thepiercingarrow |
hey namach |
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Calinou |
Chinchou: here I use Quassel, logs are stored 24/7 on my VPS in a PostgreSQL database |
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Calinou |
problem is, I'm in like over 60 channels… so it gets huge quickly |
| 06:08 |
Calinou |
(it got to 2.1 million lines once, slowing down the server to a crawl) |
| 06:08 |
Calinou |
so I purge it on a regular basis |
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Chinchou |
Calinou, the problem is not the size of the log but the... frankly, the idiocy that took place in the /wrong/ place. |
| 06:09 |
Chinchou |
It was mostly a light-hearted comment on it. |
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* Chinchou |
shrugs |
| 06:09 |
Chinchou |
That's a ludicrous log, though. |
| 06:10 |
Chinchou |
(My flatmate would make a joke about "huge logs" if they were awake.) |
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Chinchou |
I just rotate my log files every month or so and shove them in XZ-compressed tarballs. |
| 06:15 |
Calinou |
I'm lazy so I regualarly SSH in, and do "DELETE FROM backlog;" then "VACUUM full;" :P |
| 06:15 |
Calinou |
need to script it |
| 06:15 |
Chinchou |
Pfthehe |
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nosrick |
Morning folks |
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segfault22 |
Hello everyone |
| 08:31 |
segfault22 |
I'm still having problems with that system I am trying to set-up for a server... |
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segfault22 |
I confirmed that the PCI SATA RAID card works, by putting it in the system I'm using right now and hooking up the disks in their external mounting cage-on-a-board-with-extra-PSU |
| 08:32 |
Chinchou |
segfault22, have you considered a new name? Perhaps your server is getting mixed signals from you. |
| 08:33 |
segfault22 |
xD |
| 08:33 |
Chinchou |
=w=; |
| 08:33 |
segfault22 |
perhaps |
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Chinchou |
I don't recall your setup very well. |
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Chinchou |
Oh sh- Monday! |
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* Chinchou |
scampers off |
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shamoanjac |
hay nosrick |
| 08:36 |
nosrick |
shamoanjac, my mod keeps crashing the server somehow. I can't replicate any of the crashes! |
| 08:37 |
shamoanjac |
strange |
| 08:37 |
shamoanjac |
did you get the logs |
| 08:38 |
segfault22 |
my server system is a dell dimension C521 with a replacement/hot-wired CPU fan, modified case to let the SATA cables from the RAID card clear the flange on the right side of the lid, replaced RAM capacitors, and a partially failing onboard graphics processor. And 7GB of RAM even though it's only designed for 4GB |
| 08:39 |
shamoanjac |
Hi Nuclear |
| 08:39 |
shamoanjac |
wait no not Nuclear lel |
| 08:40 |
segfault22 |
I prefer to keep the OS on a separate disk, and the mainboard only has 2 SATA ports on it (there's spots and traces for 2 more but they are unpopulated... maybe I should mod it?) so I can't put the raid array on the mainboard ports and use software-RAID to control it - I have to use the card |
| 08:40 |
segfault22 |
The card is supposed to display a dialog at startup that says "press F4 or Ctrl+S to enter RAID utility" or something like that, but instead it lets the BIOS do it's thing and then displays a flashing underscore cursor for a few seconds, then goes blank (display is outputting data, but it's black-screen) |
| 08:42 |
segfault22 |
it used to let me get into the boot-options menu and boot a disc or flashdrive half of the time, but now it does the blank screen every time the card is installed. The card is mainly intended for PCI-E, but it is supposedly backwards-compatible with the "old" PCI standard implemented in the C521. Perhaps it's incompatible... |
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segfault22 |
ALso it used to have a dual phone-jack adapter card in the PCI slot, so it probably isn't a physical issue on or right near the slot itself |
| 08:44 |
Chinchou |
Glurp. Yeah, that sounds like an incompatibility... Well, Dells often refuse to boot with certain hardware even when there's full compatibility otherwise... |
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* Chinchou |
has flashbacks to dealing with a friend's Dell machine |
| 08:45 |
Chinchou |
Sorry, I had to go upload the week's comic. |
| 08:45 |
segfault22 |
it's okay |
| 08:46 |
nosrick |
shamoanjac, no logs yet. Just reports from players. |
| 08:46 |
segfault22 |
Well then I guess either the system is no good for this application, and I will have to build a different computer in the future when I can afford it (difficulty: 3) - or I will have to mod the motherboard and add 2 more SATA ports (difficulty: OVER 9000) |
| 08:47 |
Chinchou |
Hmm... |
| 08:47 |
Chinchou |
How many disks are in your array? |
| 08:48 |
Chinchou |
I'm wondering if you can use one of those PATA-to-SATA adaptor boards that plug straight into the IDE ports. |
| 08:49 |
Chinchou |
If you only have two disks in your array, it'd work - and then you could use software RAID(well, you'd probably be forced to use software RAID). |
| 08:49 |
segfault22 |
It doesn't have an IDE port, but if there's such thing as a floppy-to-SATA then that may be an option |
| 08:49 |
Chinchou |
Those cards are tiny and- oh, shit, no IDE ports? |
| 08:51 |
segfault22 |
I do only have two disks in the array, and two sata ports on the board. I could just plug the sata cables into the ports on the board and configure software RAID, but I would need to make a custom live DVD OS with all of the programs I need (basic ububtu server, vim, something else, and minetest), which I have tried and it's a bit too complicated for me right now |
| 08:51 |
Chinchou |
Hrm... I have a PCI SATA RAID card with a VIA chip on it... 6721 or something like that? I haven't used it in a long time. I'm given to understand that that specific controller has a high "actually works with <x> system" rate. |
| 08:52 |
Chinchou |
If you have a dock or enclosure, you could just put your OS disk in that and boot through USB. |
| 08:53 |
Chinchou |
The specific card I have has two SATA ports and one IDE port on it, and they're cheap as a toilet clogged by a flatmate that doesn't know about plungers. |
| 08:55 |
segfault22 |
I don't have an external USB hard drive enclosure/dock, maybe I should have got one of those instead of that SATA RAID card back when I was buying parts for my newer computer |
| 08:56 |
Chinchou |
Aye, I love my drive docks. I wish I could find an IDE dock. |
| 08:56 |
segfault22 |
have you ever added ports to a motherboard? |
| 08:56 |
Chinchou |
Well, if that's not an option either, hmm... |
| 08:56 |
Chinchou |
Nope. |
| 08:57 |
Chinchou |
The most I've done like that is splicing a 3.5mm audio jack into a game console's AV cable. |
| 09:01 |
segfault22 |
Oh, I meant to say the SATA RAID card had a full-height bracket on it, but the picture on the box has one with a full-height bracket and one with a low-profile bracket - the same board will fit in either type of system, it just needs the right bracket - so I fabricated a low-profile bracket from sheet metal and attached the card to it (then found that the tab on the top of the custom bracket was backwards, so I clipped it off and glued the bracket t |
| 09:01 |
segfault22 |
o an empty-slot-cover so it would fit) |
| 09:01 |
segfault22 |
Maybe there is some subtle difference on the card with the low-profile bracket, that is not really visible, which makes the full-height version incompatible with low-profile systems,... |
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Chinchou |
Unless the card can't physically fit in the case, I'm pretty sure that the bracket size won't have any effect here. |
| 09:04 |
Chinchou |
(Even then, you'd have the case open to fit the card) |
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shamoanjac |
in he @test@ server, where are trees and wildlife? |
| 09:06 |
shamoanjac |
I've just walked 2000 blocks south and so far everything is just an immaculate stone desert |
| 09:07 |
segfault22 |
The low-profile version has a card the same size as on the high-profile version, so it does fit, but just barely (I hat to cut a chunk out of the right side flange on the lid, but only to clear the sata cables in the ports - would be unnecessary if I had the right 90-degree sata cables |
| 09:09 |
Chinchou |
segfault22, what I was trying to say(and failing) is that there should be nothing that would render the larger version "incompatible" with a specific system when the smaller one functions - unless, of course, they use different controllers... |
| 09:09 |
Chinchou |
In any case, the bracket thing is just case size. |
| 09:09 |
Chinchou |
I'm bad at summarising. <- Only thing I can successfully summarise. |
| 09:10 |
segfault22 |
It is advertised as the same controller "chipset", so if it is different than the low-profile version, the difference is in the firmware/software |
| 09:10 |
Chinchou |
Aye. |
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Chinchou |
I doubt that the two versions differ in any way aside from the layout of the components and traces on the board(if the board is differently-sized in the first place). |
| 09:12 |
JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Be An Angel Day! 😃 👼 |
| 09:13 |
segfault22 |
good morning |
| 09:13 |
segfault22 |
The board is the same size, so the only physical difference is the brackets |
| 09:15 |
Chinchou |
In that case, I highly doubt that the bracket is causing problems. |
| 09:15 |
segfault22 |
of course, lol |
| 09:15 |
Chinchou |
It seems like a BIOS thing, at first. Have you gone through the entire config and double-checked /every/ setting? |
| 09:16 |
Chinchou |
(It sounded like you thought that the bracket was causing problems, hence my confusion.) |
| 09:17 |
segfault22 |
Yes, I checked the BIOS settings, and it detects the card as "mass storage" (that's all it says about it) - but if I change any settings and save them, the BIOS doesn't load all the way and gets stuck with the diagnostic lights saying "possible graphics failure" (2,3,4) |
| 09:18 |
segfault22 |
There is some problem with the onboard graphics chip that "comes out" when its setting gets configured, so unless I buy a graphics card I can't change the settings directly |
| 09:19 |
segfault22 |
If it is the BIOS, it looks like they tried to add support for this type of device but just half-assed it so they could get it into production quicker... maybe I could remove the card, update the bios (if there's even an update available) and then try again |
| 09:20 |
Chinchou |
Ouch. |
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| 09:23 |
Chinchou |
A BIOS update is as likely to make things worse as to make them better, sadly. Is there a graphics card you can plug in temporarily? |
| 09:23 |
shamoanjac |
4200 blocks south of the spawn |
| 09:23 |
shamoanjac |
still only rock |
| 09:23 |
segfault22 |
I don't have one,... sorry |
| 09:25 |
segfault22 |
I see some smart people (mostly russians, by the text next to the images at google) have figured out how to solder extra sata ports onto some different motherboards, some people just soldered cut-off sata cable wires directly onto the spot/spots on the board (mostly XBOXes converted to laptops, though) |
| 09:26 |
Chinchou |
Huh, soldering a cable straight to the board... |
| 09:27 |
Chinchou |
Durp. Well, I'm out of ideas. If you have a steady enough hand, that might work. |
| 09:27 |
segfault22 |
but I don't know if the SATA controller on my board even supports the extra un-installed ports, even though there are traces for it - last time I checked it only says there are two sata ports, but I haven't disconnected the CD/DVD drive and checked to see if it says there's only one (that would probably mean it's just ignoring the unconnected devices) |
| 09:28 |
Chinchou |
My mainboard lists all ports, and shows disconnected ones as disconnected, but that doesn't mean much. |
| 09:28 |
segfault22 |
I replaced the RAM capacitors when some of them went bad, so I might be able to do this, but it would be very difficult and my soldering iron is a bit too big (I had to file the end down to make it small enough to work on other stuff) |
| 09:30 |
shamoanjac |
!server tes |
| 09:30 |
shamoanjac |
!server test |
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MinetestBot |
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| 09:30 |
Chinchou |
Well... My idea would be to grab a VIA controller card, if that's not what you're using already, but if the BIOS doesn't like RAID controller cards, then it'd be a bit of a waste. |
| 09:31 |
Chinchou |
You're on an extremely limited budget for this, yes? |
| 09:31 |
segfault22 |
It isn't a VIA card that I'm using now (this one is by IOCrest with a SiliconImage chip), but that may work because that brand is reported to be generally more compatible |
| 09:31 |
segfault22 |
yes, I don't have much at all for buying components... maybe $5 |
| 09:31 |
Chinchou |
Oh, it was a 6421. |
| 09:31 |
shamoanjac |
5000 blocks south of spawn... still rock |
| 09:32 |
Chinchou |
Ach, even a card with a VIA 6421 would probably be more- wait, USD? |
| 09:32 |
Chinchou |
Those are 10-12 USD in the places I've seen them. |
| 09:32 |
Chinchou |
s/are/were |
| 09:33 |
segfault22 |
yes, usd, sadly |
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| 09:34 |
Chinchou |
So you have three disks, two in the array and one with the OS... All are SATA, but you only have two SATA ports and no IDE ports. No drive dock and the system isn't booting with the controller card... yes? |
| 09:35 |
segfault22 |
yes |
| 09:36 |
Chinchou |
Damn. Ah, that's right, you get a black screen when trying to boot with the controller card installed. |
| 09:36 |
segfault22 |
right |
| 09:36 |
Chinchou |
How far does the boot get? |
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| 09:39 |
shamoanjac |
prrmypx, |
| 09:39 |
segfault22 |
it gets past diagnostics, tells me the usual "diskette drive 0 seek failure" (floppy) and "cpu 0 fan failure", "press f1 to continue, f2 to enter setup", and when I go past that, it goes to the black screen - it's trying to do something, there's an underscore-cursor for about three seconds, then it disappears but the screen backlight is still on (still receiving data) |
| 09:41 |
segfault22 |
yesterday, I only got the black screen half of the time, and I could try to boot a live disc/flashdrive, which would get about halfway before the screen starts to get filled with a constant stream of error messages that look like they're related to the card |
| 09:41 |
Chinchou |
So it fails while still in the BIOS step... |
| 09:42 |
segfault22 |
yes - I believe it's possibly related to the card's bios message function, which never appears but is also text mode and that would explain the underscore cursor |
| 09:42 |
Chinchou |
That, plus the errors you mentioned, make me wonder if perhaps the BIOS requires access on all connected drives while booting. Stupid, but not outside the realm of possibility. |
| 09:42 |
segfault22 |
PCI isn't hot-swappable, right? |
| 09:43 |
Chinchou |
I mean that it may try to do I/O on all connected drives. |
| 09:43 |
Chinchou |
I'm pretty sure that you're correct on that, about PCI. |
| 09:43 |
Chinchou |
SATA devices are, though. |
| 09:43 |
Chinchou |
Or was it hot-pluggable... I never manage to keep those straight. |
| 09:44 |
segfault22 |
close enough |
| 09:44 |
Chinchou |
You're booting off of a drive connected straight to the board, yes? As opposed to the controller. |
| 09:44 |
segfault22 |
Yes |
| 09:44 |
Chinchou |
You confirmed the card itself to be functional, as I recall. |
| 09:45 |
Chinchou |
It really sounds like your BIOS has an intense dislike for your controller card. |
| 09:45 |
segfault22 |
Yes, when I have it in this system I'm using right now it works, but the c521 doesn't "like" it |
| 09:46 |
Chinchou |
I wonder if there's a way for you to "disable" the card while the system boots, and have the OS re-enable it. If so, that's worth a shot. |
| 09:46 |
segfault22 |
I don't know of any way to do that, but it probably would work |
| 09:47 |
Chinchou |
... I doubt that such a thing is possible to the extent you might need, though. |
| 09:47 |
Chinchou |
Is there any configuration to be done on the card itself? Perhaps poking at that may yield something of use. |
| 09:48 |
segfault22 |
I can try plugging the card into the slot once it's booted the OS and I'm at the CLI, and if it doesn't instantly crash there /may/ be some way to use the OS to "mount" the "new" component |
| 09:48 |
Chinchou |
(I'm pretty much at the limits of my knowledge now) |
| 09:48 |
segfault22 |
Only configuration on the board is an optional HDD activity light (2 empty pins sticking up out of it) |
| 09:48 |
segfault22 |
sorry |
| 09:49 |
Chinchou |
I would try to avoid hot-plugging a PCI card unless both the board and card explicitly state that they can handle hot-plugging. |
| 09:49 |
segfault22 |
Okay, then I won't because they don't mention it anywhere |
| 09:50 |
Chinchou |
I could be wrong about PCI not handling hot-plugging. I don't recall well enough to say one way or the other, so I'm erring on the side of caution here. |
| 09:50 |
segfault22 |
The only options now are to somehow get the card to work, either by changing the bios to a new version (with the old version handy to revert if the problems get worse) or solder new sata ports onto the unpopulated spaces on the board |
| 09:51 |
segfault22 |
the motherboard, that is |
| 09:51 |
Chinchou |
Aye, if new hardware is out of the question. |
| 09:51 |
segfault22 |
the card also has two empty sata port spaces, but the packaging and manual explicitly states it's "4-channel" so I doubt they would work at all |
| 09:52 |
segfault22 |
I could see about getting a different card that might be more compatible, but it will take some time before I can afford it... |
| 09:52 |
Chinchou |
Hmm... I think that the main problem with hot-plugging PCI cards is that they're addressed by the BIOS during initial boot stages. |
| 09:52 |
Chinchou |
I don't know if there would be electrical problems. |
| 09:53 |
segfault22 |
You are right about that one - even if it can handle the introduction of new electrical load after boot, it most likely won't try to initiate connection with the component - until I reboot it and it does the black screen again |
| 09:54 |
Chinchou |
At this point, I can really only advise talking to someone more competent than I. |
| 09:54 |
Chinchou |
Sorry 'bout that |
| 09:54 |
segfault22 |
If I could just get it to go past the black screen half of the time again, then there may be a chance to have it work and be at least useable |
| 09:54 |
Chinchou |
Hrm, ah, yeah. |
| 09:54 |
segfault22 |
it's okay, you have helped me a lot |
| 09:54 |
Chinchou |
Those error messages might be useful in some way. |
| 09:55 |
segfault22 |
Yes, it was showing some kind of error messages (two types - on the flashingblack/white screen it's a single line but I can't read it because it flies down the screen...) that may be helpful in diagnosing where the problem is happening... |
| 09:56 |
Chinchou |
Oh! Is it feasible to boot from a flash drive, with your array hooked into the board instead of the card? |
| 09:57 |
Chinchou |
You'd be tying up the drive full-time, of course... Hrmm. Perhaps try booting with the card installed but with the array disconnected. |
| 09:58 |
segfault22 |
That may be an option, but I would need to install onto a second flash drive with the first one, which is probably better since that other os drive has a lot of bad sectors (it's from a DVR someone else gave to me)... there was an option "please select the drive to install: sda (the flashdrive the install media is on, not good option) and sdb (the hard drive) - it can install to a usb flash drive... |
| 09:59 |
segfault22 |
I have tried with the array disconnected (first I just turned off the extra PSU, then I disconnected the sata cables for a second try) and it's not working the same way as before |
| 09:59 |
segfault22 |
Thank you for mentioning the use of a flash drive as the os drive - I totally forgot about that... |
| 10:00 |
segfault22 |
That DVR hard drive could fail any day, and I don't really need the cd/dvd drive anyways (it has trouble opening also, anyways) |
| 10:01 |
Chinchou |
As long as you're not doing many writes(and don't have power problems), a good flash drive should last quite a while in that capacity. Now, actually finding a good flash drive is another story... *Grumble* |
| 10:02 |
segfault22 |
I have an 8GB flash drive that's only storing some backup files, but I can put those on a different drive (or re-use the installation flash drive for those same files when I'm done installing to the flash drive) |
| 10:03 |
Chinchou |
Well, that would be more than enough for a Debian install. |
| 10:04 |
Chinchou |
(As a side note, I find it both hilarious and disturbing that 'doze takes over 20GB while I can put a fully-functional Debian or openSUSE install in 2GB) |
| 10:07 |
segfault22 |
it is disturbing; all of that space isn't being used for the user-end software, probably something to monitor everything you do and send it back to their good ol' buddies over at NSA or something |
| 10:08 |
segfault22 |
I will be using software RAID instead of a dedicated RAID card, which is disappointing because this card is a really nice one... |
| 10:09 |
Chinchou |
Aye. |
| 10:10 |
Chinchou |
I have no experience with RAID systems at all yet, which is sad. |
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segfault22 |
It's weird how all the ubuntu sites tell you how to set up software raid during installation for the boot device, after installation also for the boot device, but not for disks that aren't going to be booted... |
| 10:13 |
segfault22 |
trying to search for "raid software" google-stupids to "software raid" and gives the same results for setting it up on the boot media |
| 10:13 |
Chinchou |
Ach. I'd imagine that it would be little different, but I could be mistaken... Ubuntu isn't exactly the greatest tool in the shed. |
| 10:13 |
Chinchou |
(Have you tried using Ixquick instead of google?) |
| 10:13 |
segfault22 |
maybe I should try debian-server |
| 10:13 |
Chinchou |
(https://ixquick.eu) |
| 10:14 |
Calinou |
try the duck which wears a bow tie |
| 10:14 |
Calinou |
everyone trusts him :] |
| 10:14 |
Chinchou |
Pfft owo; |
| 10:14 |
* Chinchou |
quacks. |
| 10:15 |
Chinchou |
BRB, soup. |
| 10:15 |
segfault22 |
it does the same thing, probably because it's farming results primarily from google and a few others... there should be better syntax support in search engines so that you can specify which order the words come in without having to specify "this phrase and nothing that's any different" |
| 10:17 |
segfault22 |
I wish there was a text-mode/CLI-version of ubuntu software center, kinda like how vim works... |
| 10:24 |
Chinchou |
"apt search" and aptitude work nicely together for me. |
| 10:31 |
segfault22 |
my sata cables might not be long enough to reach the sata ports from the homemade external cage contraption... |
| 10:32 |
Chinchou |
Do you not have bays enough inside the case? |
| 10:34 |
segfault22 |
there is technically room, but I lost the extra screws that would hold the second disk where the floppy drive is supposed to go, and I think it might get too hot from the reduced air-flow |
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| 10:34 |
Chinchou |
Ah, yeah. |
| 10:34 |
segfault22 |
the clearance between the disks would be negligible |
| 10:35 |
Chinchou |
Well, that sucks. |
| 10:35 |
sea` |
Oh, now this looks like an interesting conversation for once |
| 10:35 |
sea` |
Clearance between the disks? |
| 10:35 |
segfault22 |
xD |
| 10:36 |
segfault22 |
about as thick as the film of water on a piece of wood left out in the rain for a few minutes |
| 10:36 |
segfault22 |
or 1/32 of an inch |
| 10:36 |
segfault22 |
oh no, the sky is brightening already and I haven't slept yet |
| 10:36 |
segfault22 |
too bad |
| 10:38 |
segfault22 |
I'm going /away for a few minutes to reconfigure the system,... I will be /back shortly |
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prrmypx |
shamoanjac, |
| 10:53 |
segfault22 |
okay the sata cables do reach the motherboard ports from the external cage, but only just. |
| 10:55 |
segfault22 |
The two uninstalled sata port spots are actually closer to where I would need the ports to be, but of course they were omitted to make the machine cheaper |
| 10:55 |
segfault22 |
my flash drive is slowing down... |
| 10:55 |
segfault22 |
6.5MB/s |
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segfault22 |
okay I'm gonna go install the os to the flash drive now, and try this different configuration... |
| 10:58 |
Chinchou |
Hopefully that works out. |
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segfault22 |
It got past the startup stage now, without the card in it and with the disks attached to the two sata ports on the board |
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segfault22 |
but when I try to boot the install flash drive, I get to the menu and press "enter" at "command-line install" and the screen goes black... not sure if it's working and taking a while to display, or there's another problem... |
| 11:13 |
Bekfast_La_Twin |
Lol are you up Vault? |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
yes |
| 11:17 |
segfault22 |
I moved the blank flash drive to the front with the install flash drive (it was on the back) and now it's working... weird... |
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Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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MinetestBot |
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| 11:20 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
!server Vault-81 |
| 11:20 |
MinetestBot |
Vault_Le_Twin: Vault-81 | 204.106.248.97:31000 | Clients: 1/25, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 138ms |
| 11:21 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
there is more then that -.- |
| 11:21 |
segfault22 |
"It" detected my SATA RAID metadata from when I set-up the raid array with the SATA RAID card, even though they're connected directly to the board now! :D |
| 11:25 |
segfault22 |
that flashdrive light is blinking like a rotary wombat |
| 11:25 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
XD |
| 11:25 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
oh does anyone know how to update drivers for an old shitty computer on Ubuntu? |
| 11:26 |
sfan5 |
apt-get update |
| 11:26 |
sfan5 |
and apt-get upgrade |
| 11:27 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
Ive done them... |
| 11:27 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
Im using a 2002 gateway profile 4 with a Pentium 4 processor |
| 11:27 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
with a huge ass fan in the back to prevent overheating |
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segfault22 |
is it okay to make a joke about OS's described as psychoactive substances, or is that not "family-friendly" enough |
| 11:41 |
segfault22 |
flashdrive is still blinking fast but the progress bar stopped at 83%... |
| 11:41 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
haha froze |
| 11:41 |
segfault22 |
oeh noehs its cooking off |
| 11:41 |
segfault22 |
all mah bits!!!!!11!one |
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segfault22 |
it's bad to use a flash drive as a working directory (storing packages, unpacking them, etc...) |
| 11:45 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
isn't a live disc better? |
| 11:45 |
segfault22 |
I can't wait for everspin to release chips that are big enough to make reasonable usb drives with their magnetic spin-torque-transfer technology |
| 11:45 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
wait thats for OS |
| 11:46 |
segfault22 |
A live disc would be better, if it were reliably rewritable like a hard drive or "everspin chips" |
| 11:46 |
segfault22 |
but I don't have DVD-RWs and I would have to disconnect the raid array to make room for the CD/DVD drive |
| 11:47 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
or just an external drive |
| 11:47 |
segfault22 |
That I also don't have |
| 11:47 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
oh ok |
| 11:48 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
I have like 50000 CD-R and DVD-RW discs |
| 11:48 |
segfault22 |
"Everspin starts sampling 256Mb ST-MRAM chips, plans 1Gb chips by the end of 2016" ... "by the end of 2016" ... not soon enough :/ |
| 11:48 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
yeah |
| 11:49 |
Chinchou |
Pffft, "rotary wombat". |
| 11:49 |
segfault22 |
xD |
| 11:49 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
it's funny |
| 11:50 |
Chinchou |
Wombats look quite smug sometimes. |
| 11:50 |
segfault22 |
it's the name of one of those linux kernels |
| 11:50 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
yeah |
| 11:50 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
mines Vivid Vervet |
| 11:51 |
Chinchou |
Oh, codename of an ubuntu release? |
| 11:51 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
yeah |
| 11:51 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
latest I believe is Xenial Xeruz |
| 11:51 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
Xerus* |
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* Chinchou |
is unfamiliar with most, knows "Jessie", "Wheezy", "Sarge", et cetera |
| 11:52 |
Chinchou |
most of the ubuntu names* |
| 11:52 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
I vaguely know some |
| 11:53 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
Warty Warthog |
| 11:53 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
Wiley |
| 11:53 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
Vivid |
| 11:53 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
Xenial |
| 11:53 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
and others |
| 12:02 |
segfault22 |
linux mint releases are named with girls' first names, like maya, olivia, rebecca, sarah |
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segfault22 |
Everspin NVRAM is probably very good for usb drives, even though their chips only store up to 32MB so far |
| 12:06 |
nosrick |
This is a longshot, but... |
| 12:06 |
segfault22 |
it would take 128 of them just to equate a 4gb flash drive |
| 12:06 |
nosrick |
Does anyone know why installing mono-complete on raspbian jessie causes my service to stop running? |
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DonBatman |
1bondage1 |
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DonBatman |
i3hegihseh |
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Megaf |
I have no idea about the Ubuntu names |
| 12:37 |
Megaf |
there are far too many |
| 12:38 |
Megaf |
and I know the Debian names because I used/use them |
| 12:38 |
Megaf |
Squeeze - 6, Wheezy - 7, Jessie - 8, Stretch - 9, Sid - Unstable |
| 12:38 |
Megaf |
Chinchou: ^ |
| 12:38 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
XD |
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Megaf |
Sarge is 5 I think |
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Megaf |
or Etch |
| 12:39 |
Megaf |
Etch might be 4 |
| 12:39 |
Megaf |
but I'm not sure |
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Megaf |
Lenny if 5 actually |
| 12:40 |
Megaf |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Debian_releases |
| 12:43 |
Chinchou |
Megaf, I started with Debian 5, but didn't pay attention to the names until Wheezy. |
| 12:43 |
Chinchou |
I'm sad. |
| 12:45 |
Chinchou |
My old install, which started as Wheezy when it was Testing, moved to Stable, migrated to Jessie during Testing, and reached Stable again, is on a drive that is dead. :c |
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Fixer |
my first debian was Sarge |
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shamoanjac |
prrmypx, |
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prrmypx |
shamoanjac, |
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| 13:21 |
prrmypx |
fuck i'm still "prr" in here |
| 13:21 |
prrmypx |
i discovered this morning that "prr" is, indeed, a brony thing |
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resident |
so what |
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resident |
don't be so insecure about horse pussy |
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PmyX |
it's degenerate and i don't wish to associate with that |
| 13:24 |
resident |
why so serious |
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resident |
it's not like you have a good reputation if you act disgusted with something that is seen as cringy by the majority |
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resident |
s/have/get |
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resident |
don't be the lame kid who follows the popular guys around but never actually does anything fun |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
XD |
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Vault_Le_Twin |
"the lame kid" |
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Chinchou |
"Degenerate"... Now I know you're joking. =w=; |
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PmyX |
i'll let you know |
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resident |
a fun popular guy would joke around with the brony and then part while feeling bad for the brony never losing his virginity |
| 13:27 |
Chinchou |
Pfft |
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resident |
a lame kid would stay away from the bronies as to not raise attention |
| 13:27 |
resident |
from the cool kids |
| 13:28 |
PmyX |
that i'm the founder and head op of #coolkids @ rizon |
| 13:28 |
resident |
"oh no i cant be seen with them" |
| 13:28 |
resident |
"that would end my highschool life" |
| 13:28 |
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| 13:28 |
PmyX |
so stfu |
| 13:28 |
PmyX |
k |
| 13:28 |
resident |
checkmate lamo |
| 13:28 |
arecascino |
lmnoqrstuvwxyz |
| 13:28 |
Chinchou |
Dear gods. |
| 13:28 |
arecascino |
Chinchou: how long has this been going on |
| 13:28 |
arecascino |
? |
| 13:29 |
Chinchou |
Less than three minutes. |
| 13:29 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
XD |
| 13:29 |
Chinchou |
Oh, oops, about five |
| 13:29 |
Chinchou |
Misread the timestamps. |
| 13:29 |
arecascino |
resident: what are you guys talking about |
| 13:30 |
resident |
started with the guy being embarassed about how his former nickname had something to do with bronies |
| 13:30 |
arecascino |
oh |
| 13:30 |
shamoanjac |
PmyX, |
| 13:30 |
arecascino |
prrpx |
| 13:30 |
arecascino |
yeah |
| 13:30 |
PmyX |
shamoanjac, |
| 13:30 |
resident |
isn't that obnoxious |
| 13:30 |
shamoanjac |
PmyX, |
| 13:30 |
PmyX |
/ignore resident |
| 13:30 |
arecascino |
pretty sure we realized that together |
| 13:30 |
PmyX |
have fun |
| 13:30 |
PmyX |
have fun on the ignore list |
| 13:31 |
resident |
oh nooo |
| 13:31 |
resident |
not the ignore list of pmyx |
| 13:31 |
shamoanjac |
stfu PmyX #coolkids is a shit channel |
| 13:31 |
PmyX |
stfu shamoanjac |
| 13:31 |
* Chinchou |
sighs |
| 13:31 |
shamoanjac |
you suck, your life sucks, your parents are ashamed of what you've become |
| 13:31 |
resident |
damn |
| 13:31 |
PmyX |
you wanna get /igno |
| 13:31 |
PmyX |
that's how u get /igno |
| 13:31 |
PmyX |
be careful |
| 13:31 |
PmyX |
or you'll be put on the other list |
| 13:31 |
shamoanjac |
your mother cries herself to sleep every night (except when I fuck her of course) while you're jerking off to anime children |
| 13:32 |
PmyX |
my mom is dead |
| 13:32 |
arecascino |
heh |
| 13:32 |
shamoanjac |
and the above still holds true |
| 13:32 |
* Chinchou |
continues sighing. |
| 13:33 |
PmyX |
we cremated her |
| 13:33 |
resident |
we creamed her |
| 13:33 |
arecascino |
what is even going on |
| 13:33 |
PmyX |
very mature of you, resident |
| 13:34 |
PmyX |
making fun of my dead mom |
| 13:34 |
resident |
your mom isnt dead |
| 13:34 |
Chinchou |
In a word? Immaturity. |
| 13:34 |
PmyX |
how are you supposed to know |
| 13:34 |
arecascino |
shamoanjac: PmyX: get your collective shits together |
| 13:34 |
resident |
you wouldn't use it in an internet fight |
| 13:34 |
PmyX |
btw, don't forget that you're on /ignore |
| 13:34 |
resident |
if it was true |
| 13:34 |
resident |
right |
| 13:34 |
resident |
shit |
| 13:34 |
PmyX |
i'm not fighting |
| 13:35 |
PmyX |
i'm getting attacked by everybody |
| 13:35 |
PmyX |
you're bullying me |
| 13:35 |
resident |
way to turn this around |
| 13:35 |
resident |
you are the bully |
| 13:35 |
PmyX |
nice victim blaming |
| 13:35 |
resident |
more like slut shaming |
| 13:35 |
resident |
you slut |
| 13:36 |
PmyX |
making fun of my dead mom and blaming me for getting bullied |
| 13:36 |
arecascino |
are you guys trying to get banned? |
| 13:36 |
PmyX |
what a nice person you are |
| 13:36 |
resident |
we're just playing around |
| 13:36 |
Chinchou |
I'll be over here, fighting with git. |
| 13:36 |
resident |
why so serious arecascino |
| 13:36 |
PmyX |
and everybody went quiet~ |
| 13:36 |
resident |
we're best mates me and pmyx |
| 13:37 |
arecascino |
resident: because I think the quiet speaks for itself |
| 13:37 |
PmyX |
i hope all of you |
| 13:37 |
PmyX |
now feel like they have a lump in their throats |
| 13:37 |
PmyX |
i hope you feel bad |
| 13:37 |
PmyX |
all of you |
| 13:38 |
resident |
teaches you not to make fun of horsefuckers |
| 13:38 |
PmyX |
i'm sending this logs to the channel owners |
| 13:38 |
arecascino |
holy shit |
| 13:38 |
PmyX |
and to freenode ops |
| 13:38 |
PmyX |
you're so getting banned |
| 13:38 |
PmyX |
*these logs |
| 13:38 |
arecascino |
kde is freezing every 5 seconds |
| 13:38 |
resident |
install i3 |
| 13:39 |
resident |
or awesomewm |
| 13:39 |
resident |
super lightweight |
| 13:39 |
arecascino |
how about icewm |
| 13:39 |
arecascino |
or twm |
| 13:40 |
Chinchou |
I should try some of those out again sometime. |
| 13:40 |
resident |
i prefer tiling managers |
| 13:40 |
arecascino |
what the fuck is going on |
| 13:40 |
arecascino |
my i7 is acting like a 486 |
| 13:41 |
arecascino |
fuck it |
| 13:41 |
Chinchou |
My C2D is always acting like a C2D. |
| 13:41 |
Chinchou |
I'm glad I don't bother with newer CPUs, with all the stuff I keep hearing and seeing. |
| 13:42 |
Chinchou |
(The fact that I don't have the funds for a new build suuuurely has nothing to do with it.) |
| 13:43 |
* Chinchou |
gazes lovingly at my old Pentium MMX 133 |
| 13:43 |
Chinchou |
So old it has SIMM slots. |
| 13:44 |
resident |
pmyx lets play survival |
| 13:44 |
arecascino |
FUCK SYSTEMD |
| 13:44 |
Chinchou |
Hear hear |
| 13:44 |
PmyX |
resident, you better apologize first |
| 13:44 |
PmyX |
on your knees |
| 13:44 |
arecascino |
WHY IS JOURNALD USING 100% OF MY CPU |
| 13:45 |
Chinchou |
Oh dear gods. |
| 13:45 |
arecascino |
FUCK LENNART POETTERING |
| 13:45 |
Chinchou |
arecascino, holy shit |
| 13:45 |
arecascino |
WHY DID IT JUST LAUNCH BTRFS BALANCE WHILE IM WORKING |
| 13:45 |
arecascino |
WHAT IS TRACKER-MINER-FS |
| 13:46 |
resident |
*apologize on my knees* |
| 13:46 |
Chinchou |
Systemd tries to do far too much, really... |
| 13:46 |
Chinchou |
I miss the old systems. |
| 13:46 |
resident |
that's what you get for running systemdicks |
| 13:46 |
Chinchou |
I haven't found the courage to strip it out and install file-rc yet. |
| 13:46 |
arecascino |
I CANT KILL BTRFS BALANCE |
| 13:46 |
PmyX |
k accepted |
| 13:46 |
arecascino |
ASJDPJAPJDPSJPADPJ |
| 13:47 |
arecascino |
FUCK THIS |
| 13:47 |
PmyX |
don't forget your position, tho |
| 13:47 |
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| 13:47 |
resident |
yes dominate me |
| 13:47 |
PmyX |
i don't play minetest tho |
| 13:48 |
PmyX |
video games are p degenerate |
| 13:48 |
arecascino |
PmyX: why are you even in here then |
| 13:48 |
resident |
why are you here then |
| 13:48 |
resident |
thats v stupid |
| 13:48 |
Calinou |
Lennart lennart = new Lennart(); |
| 13:48 |
PmyX |
i'm here |
| 13:49 |
PmyX |
to make you rewrite it in rust |
| 13:49 |
PmyX |
and to make you deviate from the ills of C++ |
| 13:50 |
PmyX |
why aren't all of you writing rust by now |
| 13:51 |
xunto |
PmyX: because we would have to start from very begining |
| 13:52 |
xunto |
I'm thinking about that but I doesn't have enough time now. |
| 13:52 |
PmyX |
3>I'm thinking about that |
| 13:52 |
PmyX |
seriously? |
| 13:52 |
xunto |
Yeah, why not? |
| 13:52 |
xunto |
But not rust. I was thinking about go) |
| 13:53 |
xunto |
C++ is crappy |
| 13:53 |
PmyX |
you're the first person |
| 13:53 |
PmyX |
on rizon |
| 13:53 |
PmyX |
that i've met |
| 13:54 |
PmyX |
who's coding c++ |
| 13:54 |
PmyX |
and admitting to that |
| 13:54 |
shamoanjac |
stfu PmyX |
| 13:54 |
shamoanjac |
please rewrite Minetest in ANSI C |
| 13:55 |
PmyX |
In a Nutshell, Minetest has had 6,755 commits made by 374 contributors representing 139,766 lines of code |
| 13:56 |
shamoanjac |
tfw leaving France tomorrow |
| 13:56 |
PmyX |
bit much to rewrite |
| 13:56 |
shamoanjac |
I THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS SO EASY WITH RUST YET YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A LOT TO REWRITE |
| 13:57 |
shamoanjac |
LOL @ PmyX AND HIS MEME LANGUAGE |
| 13:57 |
Calinou |
<PmyX> why aren't all of you writing rust by now |
| 13:57 |
Calinou |
|Because| {Syntax} (Isn't) {[As]} [[[[[((((Good))))]]]]] $As$ |it| ___Ought___ {To} "Be" |
| 13:58 |
Calinou |
really ;_; I hate reading Rust code |
| 13:58 |
shamoanjac |
just like Haskell then |
| 13:58 |
shamoanjac |
Haskell is ugly, too |
| 13:58 |
PmyX |
haskell is meme |
| 13:58 |
xunto |
Haskell is just unusual) |
| 14:00 |
PmyX |
a rewrite of any project (which has grown into shape instead of being written towards a clearly defined goal) is gonna be superior to the original, anyways |
| 14:00 |
PmyX |
are there any problems with minetests codebase right now? |
| 14:00 |
PmyX |
general problems |
| 14:00 |
PmyX |
the modding api makes it seem a bit rigid in places |
| 14:00 |
PmyX |
unflexible i mean |
| 14:01 |
PmyX |
also, shamoanjac stfu, you can't even lua |
| 14:04 |
shamoanjac |
stfu PmyX I'm a lua expert |
| 14:05 |
shamoanjac |
also did I tell you what I do with your mom while you're playing dwarf fortress? |
| 14:05 |
xunto |
Actually I was thinking more about similar project with same idea but without compatibility and etc It's more like new project that takes into account minetest's mistakes. |
| 14:05 |
shamoanjac |
we both program in C |
| 14:05 |
shamoanjac |
how does that make you feel? |
| 14:05 |
shamoanjac |
imagine your mother, with me |
| 14:05 |
shamoanjac |
casting pointers |
| 14:05 |
shamoanjac |
manually allocating memory |
| 14:06 |
shamoanjac |
and not freeing it |
| 14:06 |
xunto |
shamoanjac: performing pointer arithmetics |
| 14:06 |
shamoanjac |
so hot |
| 14:06 |
shamoanjac |
yeah I bet PmyX feels bad thinking about it |
| 14:07 |
xunto |
I'm slowly creating pointer to a function in your structure while making graphics on vulkan... |
| 14:07 |
xunto |
M-m... |
| 14:10 |
nosrick |
shamoanjac, got any crash logs to send my way? |
| 14:11 |
PmyX |
3>minetests mistakes |
| 14:11 |
PmyX |
what would these be |
| 14:11 |
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| 14:11 |
shamoanjac |
no nosrick, I don't have access to logs |
| 14:11 |
nosrick |
Ah, damn. I was hoping for some juice. |
| 14:11 |
PmyX |
any github/forum discussions or so you could check out |
| 14:12 |
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| 14:12 |
shamoanjac |
btw I'll make a Stock Market mod |
| 14:12 |
PmyX |
genius |
| 14:12 |
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shamoanjac |
is there any reasons Minecoin stacks are limited to 30,000? |
| 14:13 |
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| 14:14 |
PmyX |
xunto, from me experience from the few foss projects i've followed |
| 14:14 |
PmyX |
they tended to die from the codebase growing messy and nobody new being willing anymore to deal with them |
| 14:15 |
PmyX |
*my |
| 14:17 |
PmyX |
s/die/stagnate/ |
| 14:17 |
PmyX |
in the process of dying |
| 14:18 |
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| 14:18 |
shamoanjac |
you mean in all of them there was some random guy you are totally unrelated with who started spamming about a certain language |
| 14:18 |
PmyX |
no |
| 14:19 |
PmyX |
quite the opposite |
| 14:19 |
shamoanjac |
yes, bc that guy was u |
| 14:19 |
shamoanjac |
btfo |
| 14:19 |
shamoanjac |
i found you |
| 14:20 |
PmyX |
i'm talking about devs create something nice, get a following, then they mess their shit up and abandon it |
| 14:20 |
PmyX |
people like me on the otherhand |
| 14:20 |
PmyX |
are saving such projects |
| 14:20 |
xunto |
Well, it's not about minetest |
| 14:21 |
PmyX |
by proposing total rewrites |
| 14:21 |
shamoanjac |
of course ur the savior xDDDDD |
| 14:21 |
shamoanjac |
sorry mister jesus prrist |
| 14:21 |
xunto |
It takes years to get your PR merged here :D |
| 14:21 |
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| 14:21 |
PmyX |
and consequently, because we're advocating the use of rust at the same time |
| 14:21 |
PmyX |
we're saving computing as a whole |
| 14:21 |
shamoanjac |
Moses + Abraham + Jesus + Muhammad |
| 14:21 |
shamoanjac |
all in the same man |
| 14:22 |
PmyX |
Muhammad was a pedophile |
| 14:22 |
shamoanjac |
and that man is PmyX |
| 14:22 |
xunto |
PmyX: Jesus too |
| 14:22 |
PmyX |
was he |
| 14:22 |
shamoanjac |
well then you are only Muhammed |
| 14:22 |
xunto |
Or virgin |
| 14:22 |
xunto |
I dunno |
| 14:23 |
shamoanjac |
Muhammad dated Sadie4567 |
| 14:23 |
xunto |
I mean... He lived in time when it was okay. |
| 14:23 |
xunto |
Marriage in age of 12-14 |
| 14:23 |
xunto |
An etc |
| 14:23 |
shamoanjac |
iirc she was 9 |
| 14:23 |
shamoanjac |
according to some interpretations of the scriptures |
| 14:24 |
PmyX |
excuse me |
| 14:24 |
PmyX |
i'm busy now |
| 14:24 |
Calinou |
dudes… |
| 14:24 |
PmyX |
writing rust |
| 14:24 |
PmyX |
or how you say: saving the world |
| 14:25 |
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| 14:27 |
resident |
rust more like trust |
| 14:28 |
resident |
more like thrust |
| 14:28 |
resident |
more like crust |
| 14:28 |
shamoanjac |
btfo |
| 14:28 |
shamoanjac |
whatchu gonna do now PmyX |
| 14:28 |
resident |
yeah go write some macros nerd |
| 14:28 |
shamoanjac |
now that u no that Rust = Thrust |
| 14:28 |
xunto |
Do we have rap battle about her? |
| 14:28 |
xunto |
*rap battle here? |
| 14:29 |
shamoanjac |
I wish I could have a poetry battle about Her... |
| 14:30 |
xunto |
shamoanjac: everyting is in your hands) |
| 14:30 |
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| 14:30 |
Vault_Le_Twin |
... |
| 14:30 |
resident |
)) |
| 14:30 |
resident |
how to recognize a slav |
| 14:30 |
resident |
no eyes in there smileys |
| 14:31 |
xunto |
We have no eyes. |
| 14:31 |
resident |
xaxa) |
| 14:31 |
xunto |
Just eyebrows. |
| 14:31 |
shamoanjac |
and Adidas gear |
| 14:32 |
nosrick |
gopnik |
| 14:33 |
xunto |
Comrades. |
| 14:33 |
shamoanjac |
tfw no USSR |
| 14:34 |
shamoanjac |
tfw no Khruschev |
| 14:34 |
shamoanjac |
tfw no golden age |
| 14:34 |
shamoanjac |
tfw no Honnecker |
| 14:34 |
shamoanjac |
tfw no Ceaucescu |
| 14:34 |
shamoanjac |
why live? |
| 14:34 |
xunto |
Dunno... |
| 14:35 |
xunto |
You made me sad, western comrade( |
| 14:35 |
resident |
russians and ukrainians are the best internet users |
| 14:35 |
shamoanjac |
3>you will never flee the DDR via Hungary and Austria to reach your family in the BDR |
| 14:35 |
nosrick |
But the worst Dota players |
| 14:36 |
shamoanjac |
or was it DBR |
| 14:36 |
shamoanjac |
Deutsche Bundesrepublik? |
| 14:36 |
Calinou |
resident: yeah, where would Counter-Strike be without Russia and Ukraine… |
| 14:37 |
resident |
fun fact: asian csgo players complain about filipinos like europeans complain about russians |
| 14:37 |
nosrick |
PENOY PRIDE |
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xunto |
>(05:34:42 PM) shamoanjac: why live? |
| 14:39 |
xunto |
I know! Atleast I have Crimea and Putin! |
| 14:39 |
shamoanjac |
!!1! best president ever xaxaxa |
| 14:39 |
resident |
)))))) |
| 14:39 |
nosrick |
Putin? |
| 14:39 |
xunto |
Lets drink! |
| 14:39 |
nosrick |
More like |
| 14:39 |
nosrick |
Cutin |
| 14:40 |
resident |
more like putain |
| 14:40 |
shamoanjac |
ebin French pun |
| 14:41 |
xunto |
resident: Actually. We have history character named Rasputin. And it kinda means "putain". |
| 14:41 |
xunto |
And it almost Putin! |
| 14:44 |
shamoanjac |
Ra-ra-rasputin, lover of the Russian queen |
| 14:45 |
xunto |
Yeah, but it's not proved. |
| 14:45 |
xunto |
It's more like shiping |
| 14:45 |
xunto |
:D |
| 14:45 |
resident |
ey |
| 14:45 |
resident |
you're not finish |
| 14:46 |
xunto |
I'm Russian but I hope that you won't think with stereotypes) |
| 14:47 |
resident |
fins usually do the :DDD smiley |
| 14:47 |
resident |
MAHTAVAAA :DDD |
| 14:48 |
xunto |
Such a research |
| 14:48 |
resident |
it's how i make my money |
| 14:49 |
Bekfast_La_Twin |
VAULT |
| 14:49 |
resident |
germans always do -.- |
| 14:49 |
Bekfast_La_Twin |
Hey |
| 14:49 |
PmyX |
shamoanjac, 'crust' is actually a nameable rust project fyi |
| 14:49 |
Bekfast_La_Twin |
Vaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuullllllllt |
| 14:49 |
PmyX |
by maidsafe |
| 14:49 |
Bekfast_La_Twin |
Dam it |
| 14:49 |
PmyX |
maidsafe = the future of the internet |
| 14:49 |
resident |
more like maidcafe |
| 14:49 |
PmyX |
cryptocoin powered internet |
| 14:50 |
shamoanjac |
ew |
| 14:50 |
PmyX |
written in rust |
| 14:50 |
PmyX |
that makes it future² |
| 14:51 |
sfan5 |
shamoanjac: fyi both are wrong, it's BRD |
| 14:52 |
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| 14:52 |
shamoanjac |
shit sfan5 |
| 14:53 |
shamoanjac |
warum? |
| 14:54 |
sfan5 |
BundesRepublik Deutschland |
| 14:55 |
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| 14:57 |
agaran |
Hello |
| 14:57 |
shamoanjac |
yeah I guessed |
| 14:58 |
shamoanjac |
why not Deutschlands? |
| 14:58 |
resident |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUlzpr1ft0I |
| 14:59 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 14:59 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Second Life Trolling: What Rape Looks Like - YouTube |
| 15:01 |
shamoanjac |
the fuck is this lol |
| 15:03 |
PmyX |
that first one |
| 15:03 |
PmyX |
who claims to be 14 |
| 15:03 |
PmyX |
is likely 30 something, too |
| 15:03 |
shamoanjac |
do you mean women lie about their age on the Internet, too? |
| 15:03 |
PmyX |
i'm saying |
| 15:04 |
PmyX |
SL is full of old people and pathological liars |
| 15:04 |
shamoanjac |
lol |
| 15:04 |
shamoanjac |
never played it |
| 15:04 |
PmyX |
playing second life is like admitting you've failed your first one |
| 15:05 |
shamoanjac |
why aren't you playing it then |
| 15:05 |
shamoanjac |
LOL |
| 15:10 |
resident |
FLIPPED |
| 15:10 |
resident |
right on the cummy tummy |
| 15:10 |
resident |
and spanked |
| 15:15 |
segfault22 |
Okay I'm trying to compile the latest minetest from github, but cmake says it appears there is not any CMakeLists.txt in the directory - I checked and it is right there under /minetest/. wtf? |
| 15:15 |
segfault22 |
the directory is /minetest/, I cd'd into it and then ran the cmake command |
| 15:17 |
resident |
If you downloaded the Minetest Engine source code in which this file is |
| 15:17 |
resident |
contained, you probably want to download the minetest_game project too: |
| 15:17 |
resident |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/ |
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sfan5 |
nah it's not that |
| 15:17 |
shamoanjac |
cmake ., right? |
| 15:17 |
sfan5 |
you'll need to make sure to run "cmake <stuff> ." |
| 15:17 |
segfault22 |
yes |
| 15:18 |
shamoanjac |
minetest didn't require a build/ directory, did it? |
| 15:18 |
segfault22 |
what <stuff> |
| 15:18 |
sfan5 |
stuff like -DENABLE_REDIS=1 |
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segfault22 |
dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest disagrees: the -D<switch> stuff comes after the . |
| 15:19 |
segfault22 |
one of you is wrong |
| 15:19 |
sfan5 |
it doesnt matter probably |
| 15:20 |
segfault22 |
Then why am I getting this error |
| 15:21 |
segfault22 |
I cd'd into the /minetest/ directory with all of the files including CMakeLists.txt, then run the "cmake . <switches go here>" command |
| 15:21 |
resident |
readme says you need minetest_game |
| 15:22 |
segfault22 |
I got it too |
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segfault22 |
"all of the files" |
| 15:22 |
sfan5 |
can you pastebin what cmake saysß |
| 15:22 |
sfan5 |
s/ß/?/ |
| 15:22 |
segfault22 |
I don't have a pastebin account but I can write out the single error line it outputs |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
you dont need a pastebin account wtf |
| 15:23 |
resident |
who uses pastebin smh |
| 15:23 |
shamoanjac |
pastebin is harmful botnet |
| 15:24 |
resident |
dataminebin |
| 15:25 |
segfault22 |
it says "CMake error: the source directory /media/usb8g/minetest does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt" |
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resident |
why not download the binary |
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sfan5_ |
linux is genuis |
| 15:27 |
sfan5_ |
instead of killing python |
| 15:27 |
sfan5_ |
it killed almost every other process on my vps |
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sfan5_ |
including nginx, znc and getty |
| 15:28 |
segfault22 |
the binary? |
| 15:28 |
resident |
did you run killall python |
| 15:28 |
segfault22 |
It isn't available for my configuration |
| 15:28 |
resident |
what distro are you on |
| 15:28 |
segfault22 |
ubuntu server (cli mode only) |
| 15:28 |
sfan5_ |
nah OOM killer |
| 15:29 |
segfault22 |
I'm using a different system to communicate |
| 15:29 |
sfan5 |
... |
| 15:29 |
resident |
what |
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resident |
trying to compute what you want to do |
| 15:30 |
resident |
im overheating |
| 15:30 |
segfault22 |
I am trying to compile a minetest server without client, certain cmake switches applied to make it better for cli mode only |
| 15:30 |
resident |
o |
| 15:30 |
sfan5 |
anyway |
| 15:31 |
sfan5 |
segfault22: if CMake says that there is no CMakeLists.txt in there then there isn't one |
| 15:31 |
segfault22 |
I looked, there is one, it's right there in /minetest/ at /minetest/CMakeLists.txt |
| 15:31 |
Chinchou |
segfault22, probably a stupid question, but do you have permissions set properly on the file? |
| 15:31 |
segfault22 |
sudo cmake? |
| 15:32 |
sfan5 |
dont just run it as root if it doesnt work |
| 15:32 |
segfault22 |
Why should I have to change the permissions set by the specific operations defined in the guide? |
| 15:32 |
segfault22 |
It should be proper |
| 15:33 |
resident |
did you maybe do sudo wget |
| 15:33 |
segfault22 |
probably not |
| 15:33 |
resident |
do ls -lisah |
| 15:33 |
segfault22 |
The file and folder would have an X icon and would be un-writeable on the other system |
| 15:33 |
resident |
and check ownership and permission |
| 15:34 |
Chinchou |
segfault22, "ls -l" |
| 15:34 |
resident |
ls -lisahvvvv |
| 15:34 |
PmyX |
have u tried |
| 15:34 |
PmyX |
sudo rm -rf / |
| 15:34 |
segfault22 |
I do have another system with a GUI so I can just look at the GUI instead of trying to go through the terminal |
| 15:35 |
PmyX |
ok |
| 15:35 |
Chinchou |
At this point I would just "rm -r" the cloned directory and re-clone it. |
| 15:35 |
agaran |
sfan5: well, OOM behavior is indeed a bit odd at times |
| 15:35 |
resident |
try not cloning into /media |
| 15:35 |
segfault22 |
it's stupid to try to trick people into doing something stupid like rm -rf /. Thankfully I'm not stupid |
| 15:35 |
resident |
try cloning into home directory |
| 15:36 |
resident |
instead |
| 15:36 |
PmyX |
don't listen to Chinchou |
| 15:36 |
PmyX |
he's trying to trick u |
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sfan5 |
aheinecke: odd? lmao, it basically went on a rampage and killed random stuff |
| 15:36 |
PmyX |
segfault22, how about :(){ :|: & };: then |
| 15:36 |
PmyX |
:(){ :|: & };: |
| 15:36 |
PmyX |
try it |
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segfault22 |
PmyX I am ignoring you now because you're out of bounds |
| 15:36 |
PmyX |
shit |
| 15:37 |
sfan5 |
out of bounds? |
| 15:37 |
sfan5 |
have you tried using a larger integer |
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segfault22 |
where? |
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resident |
try yes $(yes $(yes)) |
| 15:37 |
resident |
that should do the trick |
| 15:37 |
segfault22 |
That was a joke... |
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aheinecke |
sfan5: ^ I think you meant to ping agaran ;-) |
| 15:37 |
segfault22 |
nevermind, I'll figure it out on my own like I usually do |
| 15:37 |
sfan5 |
oh yes sorry |
| 15:37 |
PmyX |
btw |
| 15:37 |
PmyX |
i never got a segfault again since i switched to rust |
| 15:38 |
PmyX |
never |
| 15:38 |
PmyX |
in 6 months |
| 15:38 |
sfan5 |
agaran: ok seems like the problem was that *every* process had an OOM score of 0 |
| 15:38 |
resident |
why would you to begin with |
| 15:38 |
resident |
you get segfaults if you don't understand pointer arithmetic |
| 15:38 |
sfan5 |
compare: |
| 15:38 |
sfan5 |
[13400101.516581] Out of memory in UB 11515: OOM killed process 11673 (sh) score 0 vm:8kB, rss:4kB, swap:0kB |
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sfan5 |
[13400101.617441] Out of memory in UB 11515: OOM killed process 11586 (python3) score 0 vm:1530068kB, rss:975848kB, swap:532608kB |
| 15:38 |
sfan5 |
both have a score of 0 |
| 15:38 |
sfan5 |
wat |
| 15:38 |
sfan5 |
（╯°□°）╯︵ â”»â”â”» |
| 15:39 |
Chinchou |
sfan5, I no longer have tables or I'd be flipping one right now |
| 15:40 |
agaran |
sfan5: sounds 'fun' well last time we had OOM was 88G taken by one process.. |
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sfan5 |
segfault22: run "pwd;ls -la;stat CMakeList.txt" and put that on a pastebin |
| 15:41 |
sfan5 |
agaran: yes very fun, i don't have 88GB to spare however |
| 15:41 |
agaran |
sfan5: machine had 128, so managed.. |
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agaran |
sfan5: but how python took that much? memleak or bad code? (in 88G case was memleak) |
| 15:42 |
sfan5 |
uhh |
| 15:42 |
sfan5 |
horrible code |
| 15:43 |
sfan5 |
basically i tried to parse & store 4800000 log entries with python |
| 15:43 |
agaran |
not that good code leads to memleaks.. |
| 15:43 |
segfault22 |
I downloaded the files from a machine with a different username than the machine on which I was trying to run cmake. Thus the permissions were not off level, just incorrect. So now I have to git clone at the machine where it will be compiled, which requires adding the device to fstab so it is automatically mounted and mountable by non-superusers |
| 15:43 |
agaran |
you can adj /proc/$$/oom_* probably |
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Chinchou |
segfault22, "chown -r <user>" |
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Passant |
hi there, i tried to use a tree schematic file in a different mod, so the id's have to be updated in the file. if i do this it breaks the schem (the tree just wont grow anymore). is there another way to edit the mts properbly? |
| 15:50 |
Passant |
(another way than edit it with vim) |
| 15:50 |
sfan5 |
if you're careful you can edit the file in a hex editor |
| 15:50 |
sfan5 |
otherwise just place the schematic in a world |
| 15:51 |
sfan5 |
change the nodes |
| 15:51 |
sfan5 |
and then save it again |
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Chinchou |
Also, segfault22, you don't necessarily need to add the device to fstab - you can mount as root, chown the mount directory, and write to it as a normal user. I'll admit that it is a bulky solution, though. |
| 15:52 |
Passant |
sfan5: thanks, i will try :) |
| 15:53 |
Passant |
ah, nice to know, vim actually has a hex mode |
| 15:53 |
Chinchou |
Agh, is MGv7 just CPU-intensive, or is it the collection of mods I'm using? |
| 15:54 |
sfan5 |
Passant: "if you're careful" implies that you understand the binary format btw |
| 15:54 |
Chinchou |
CPU use spikes to 80% when generating chunks... |
| 15:55 |
Chinchou |
I didn't see this when I was using MGv6. |
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agaran |
I only used v6 so far.. |
| 15:55 |
Chinchou |
(I was also using older copies of the mods.) |
| 15:56 |
Chinchou |
I'm using Ethereal-ng. A post in the thread claimed that it is incompatible with MGv6... The lack of any signs of Ethereal when using v6 seemed to support this. |
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Chinchou |
So, I tried v7, but holy hells, my poor CPU... |
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Passant |
sfan5: i filled the empty spaces caused by the different modname with dots, was that wrong? minetest says invalid schematic file now.. |
| 15:58 |
sfan5 |
yes that's not how you're supposed to do it |
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Passant |
hm. i see |
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Passant |
also i just saw that the changes are undone when i exit the hex mode in vim >_> |
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Passant |
aaah, a workaround are aliases :P |
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isabelmiro |
i have dug a hole now what do i do? |
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agaran |
some of us permanently are digging holes;) |
| 16:06 |
shamoanjac |
we all are dwarves digging holes in the coal mines that are our lives |
| 16:06 |
shamoanjac |
Find more in #poetry |
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isabelmiro |
Do you have any beginners instructions? |
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agaran |
isabelmiro: what you need help with? you dig to get resources usually, or to have room to build underground.. |
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isabelmiro |
Really basic help about how to move about and do things. Have never played before. |
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shamoanjac |
Isabel, have you played games like Minetest before? |
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agaran |
isabelmiro: asdw, for movement, right and left mouse button one digs, other places currently selected node, 1-8 or mouse wheel change current node from list you see on bottom of screen |
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agaran |
isabelmiro: you play on your server or some public? |
| 16:10 |
isabelmiro |
no, someone else's computer. Standalone. |
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agaran |
isabelmiro: i gives you inventory, so you can swap what items/blocks you have available directly (topmost row of inventory) |
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agaran |
also there you can make things, putting like coal and stick gives you torch, putting chopped tree trunk piece makes wood plans, then they make stick etc.. |
| 16:14 |
agaran |
isabelmiro: if thats not enough just let me know, I'll try explain more detailed |
| 16:17 |
Chinchou |
It might be good to point out the Tutorial mod/subgame/map to newbies like that. |
| 16:17 |
agaran |
I have no clue about such.. |
| 16:22 |
Chinchou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=10192 |
| 16:22 |
Chinchou |
^ Tutorial |
| 16:22 |
Chinchou |
Very useful - I used it myself when I started. Very well-done, in my opinion. |
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agaran |
Hi IhrFussel |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, hello there =) |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: found one issue with /hpm, it still shows >>>>> foobar <<<< kind of messages.. |
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IhrFussel |
You mean /me output yes...I can fix that |
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agaran |
is this mod available somewhere? |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: so far it is best fixup ever.. :) |
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segfault22 |
I got it to compile. thank-you for the help sfan5 |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, do you mean me about mod available? |
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Calinou |
!server Calinou |
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MinetestBot |
Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 21/32, 24/31 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms |
| 16:47 |
agaran |
IhrFussel: yes |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
what… 21 players |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
and I reached 31 apparently |
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agaran |
Calinou: lots of ppl, :) |
| 16:47 |
segfault22 |
I don't know if it works right, but it finished compiling and put out a program launcher file thing |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
ok, someone is called Calinow on it… |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
time for a ban |
| 16:48 |
segfault22 |
lol |
| 16:48 |
segfault22 |
are you sure they are trying to impersonate you, or are you just guessing |
| 16:48 |
segfault22 |
it's kinda obvious w is not u |
| 16:49 |
IhrFussel |
It's part of a mod called "own_commands" that I created..I could extract the hpm/spm parts and post them on pastebin |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
segfault22: I have no sympathy for people taking other people's usernames… |
| 16:50 |
segfault22 |
are you sure they are "taking other people's usernames" |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 16:50 |
agaran |
IhrFussel: I don't want to make additional work.. |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
if my username was Killer, maybe I'd have accepted them |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 16:52 |
segfault22 |
What if you're wrong- oh yeah, you've got those other 20 players to keep you company, so no problem there |
| 16:53 |
segfault22 |
as long as they are all "cool" enough, they'll keep coming back because nowhere else is good enough |
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eliotJ |
Hi all. I'm new here :) |
| 16:55 |
eliotJ |
I want to download minetest for my kids... And I have two questions: |
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eliotJ |
1. Can Minetest work ok in offline mode ? |
| 16:56 |
agaran |
1= yes |
| 16:56 |
IhrFussel |
agaran, nothing special just uses files...you need to create a "chatm" folder inside the world folder to use it http://pastebin.com/gtBGujJW |
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Krock |
eliotJ, the multiplayer mode will stop working offline |
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agaran |
IhrFussel: superb, so I can extend it a little.. |
| 16:57 |
Krock |
(unless you play in your own network) |
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eliotJ |
Krock: I supposed this :) |
| 16:58 |
eliotJ |
2. Does it's possible to play without any violence ??? |
| 16:58 |
Krock |
yes, turn off damage |
| 16:59 |
Krock |
checkbox on the left side of your singleplayer mode tab |
| 16:59 |
Krock |
but you can't change it for servers (logical) |
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agaran |
eliotJ: you can run local server for lan if you have 2 computers, and turn off damage there as well.. |
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eliotJ |
Krock: What does it's exactly "damege" ? Does it's described somewhere exactly ? |
| 17:01 |
eliotJ |
Krock: I don't want wars, zombie or other monsters... |
| 17:01 |
agaran |
IhrFussel: it maybe be handy to have chatm dir in ramdisk.. |
| 17:01 |
Krock |
eliotJ, damage off disables your health bar ingame and nothing and nobody can hurt you |
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NoNamesLeft |
Hey guys, I'm having a lot of trouble instaloing server mods. I installed the server from apt-get but all the files and folders are all over the place, literally nothing matches up with the wiki. I've just about got a server running, but now I can't get any mods to work. I've had a look in my home folder and there's nothing there, but the world is in /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/worlds/world. I've made a |
| 17:01 |
NoNamesLeft |
worldmods folder and dumped the mod folder in there and it doesn;t work. I've also mode a /mods/ folder and tried editing the world.mt but that doesn't work either |
| 17:01 |
agaran |
eliotJ: zombie and monsters are optional.. |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
eliotJ: Minetest has no such things out of the box |
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NoNamesLeft |
I'm not sure what else to do now |
| 17:02 |
Krock |
there are no mobs in vanilla minetest, you'd have to add them manually |
| 17:02 |
Chinchou |
Calinou, I was using "Chinchou" for about a year before discovering MT. Yet, by your claims, I'm "taking someone's name" because there's a "Chinchow" on the forum. You're on a very slippery slope there. |
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NoNamesLeft |
Of course. that's my question, Krock |
| 17:02 |
Krock |
(vanilla = unmodded minetest game) |
| 17:02 |
NoNamesLeft |
Unless you're not talking to me, haha |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
NoNamesLeft: $HOME/.minetest/mods is where you should put mods |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
Chinchou: I thought you were Chinchow :P |
| 17:03 |
Krock |
NoNamesLeft, do you think I can read your test so fast? |
| 17:03 |
Chinchou |
=~= |
| 17:03 |
NoNamesLeft |
Right, is it normal that that folder should be empty |
| 17:03 |
eliotJ |
Krock, agaran, Calinou Thx :) |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
NoNamesLeft: usually you create it |
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agaran |
Chinchou: on debian there is /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods for mods (for server instance) |
| 17:03 |
agaran |
but you need to make it readable by games.. |
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NoNamesLeft |
agaran, I created that-- ah |
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NoNamesLeft |
chmod, agaran ? |
| 17:04 |
Chinchou |
agaran, you pinged the wrong username. |
| 17:04 |
agaran |
yep, chmod .games -R |
| 17:04 |
agaran |
Chinchou: ah, sorry :) |
| 17:04 |
agaran |
just give path, not just above command |
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eliotJ |
But in Minetest (out of the box version) is a possible fight / battle against other players in online mode ? But swords for example... |
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eliotJ |
*does |
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agaran |
eliotJ: if you disable damage then you can swing sword.. whole eternity doing nothing.. |
| 17:05 |
agaran |
you can disable pvp too in config |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
PvP is enabled by default, some servers disable it |
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NoNamesLeft |
agaran, chmod: invalid mode: '.games' |
| 17:05 |
agaran |
and if you don't add mobs, and disable damage, nothing can harm players I think.. |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
if damage is diabled, then PvP is also disabled |
| 17:05 |
NoNamesLeft |
should I just 777 it? |
| 17:05 |
eliotJ |
agaran: pvp ??? |
| 17:06 |
agaran |
NoNamesLeft: oh, well I have .games on my debian |
| 17:06 |
agaran |
eliotJ: player vs player |
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Megaf |
This is new to me. |
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NoNamesLeft |
yeah I'm on an older verson, I'm just too lazy to update and it doesn't host anything of value or sensitive data |
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agaran |
NoNamesLeft: chown .games /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods/travelnet/ |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
NoNamesLeft: maybe build Minetest from source… |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
it's more recent that way |
| 17:06 |
agaran |
NoNamesLeft: then check at what uid minetest server is running, and adjust to that |
| 17:07 |
agaran |
debian 8 has 0.4.14 stable.. |
| 17:07 |
NoNamesLeft |
agaran, ran that command on the mods folder |
| 17:07 |
Calinou |
-dev versions are better :P |
| 17:07 |
NoNamesLeft |
yeah, I mean my version of debian |
| 17:07 |
Chinchou |
(Calinou, I'm "Chinchou" after the Pokemon) |
| 17:07 |
NoNamesLeft |
and possibly chmod |
| 17:08 |
Chinchou |
(So you can see how similar names can and do spring up all the time. Point is, be cautious, don't assume.) |
| 17:08 |
agaran |
NoNamesLeft: hmm then check at which uid/gid server is working and just use that, owner may be root/whatever, gid of group you want and 750 for dirs, 640 for files, or just 755/644 regardless of owner/group |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
Chinchou: considering most of the Minetest userbase is like 10, and doesn't know how to use the chat… |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
:/ |
| 17:08 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Attaking by sword which doesn't do any harm to other play can be even worse lesson for child ;) |
| 17:08 |
eliotJ |
*player |
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eliotJ |
agaran: Imho |
| 17:09 |
agaran |
so find /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods/ -type f -print0|xargs -0 chmod 644 |
| 17:09 |
Chinchou |
agaran, 0.4.14 in Debian Jessia is only in backports right now. |
| 17:09 |
agaran |
and find /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods/ -type d -print0|xargs -0 chmod 755 |
| 17:09 |
agaran |
Chinchou: yep |
| 17:09 |
sfan5 |
agaran: chmod -R is a thing btw |
| 17:09 |
NoNamesLeft |
agaran, I have to run it as sudo anyway, it won't start otherway |
| 17:09 |
NoNamesLeft |
he suggested that earlier |
| 17:09 |
Chinchou |
Most will end up installing 0.4.10, because backports is not enabled by default. |
| 17:09 |
agaran |
NoNamesLeft: odd, here it works as user.. |
| 17:10 |
agaran |
Chinchou: my bad, I couldn't live without bpo |
| 17:10 |
NoNamesLeft |
it just spits out an error for me |
| 17:10 |
NoNamesLeft |
let me see |
| 17:10 |
Chinchou |
agaran, aye, I always enable bpo as well. |
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NoNamesLeft |
what(): Failed to open log file /var/log/minetest/minetest.log: Permission denied |
| 17:10 |
Calinou |
Debian: stability first, sane defaults second. |
| 17:10 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 17:11 |
Chinchou |
Eh. |
| 17:11 |
Chinchou |
It isn't that bad. Out-of-date packages in the repo can be annoying, but building from source is easy enough. |
| 17:11 |
agaran |
NoNamesLeft: thats easy to fix, chown that file to minetest user and try again |
| 17:12 |
Chinchou |
(Usually. Don't get me started on nouveau.) |
| 17:12 |
Calinou |
have fun building GCC or Chromium from source |
| 17:12 |
Chinchou |
Calinou, I did say "Usually". =w=; |
| 17:12 |
agaran |
Calinou: I build gcc dozen of times, including crossgcc.. but I don't recommend it to anyone as daily routine indeed.. |
| 17:13 |
NoNamesLeft |
Well, running the server as root after running those find commands still doesn't return anything when /mods is listed |
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NoNamesLeft |
I'll check the world.md |
| 17:13 |
Calinou |
load_mod_modname = true |
| 17:13 |
Calinou |
is what you should write |
| 17:13 |
agaran |
NoNamesLeft: hmm.. you have to enable them *after* server can see them... |
| 17:13 |
Calinou |
(obviously, modname is the mod name) |
| 17:13 |
Calinou |
don't do that while server is started |
| 17:13 |
agaran |
and don't run MT as root.. |
| 17:14 |
NoNamesLeft |
I don't know what the modname is, is it the folder name>? |
| 17:14 |
NoNamesLeft |
worldedit for example |
| 17:14 |
NoNamesLeft |
the folder is called Minetest-WorldEdit-1.0 |
| 17:14 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: building gcc is easy |
| 17:14 |
Calinou |
load_mod_worldedit = true |
| 17:14 |
Chinchou |
You really should rename that to "worldedit". |
| 17:14 |
agaran |
if you run server with new mods, then stop it adds necesary lines with =false in my case.. then I edit them to =true |
| 17:14 |
Calinou |
it's a modpack, it can be named however he wants :) |
| 17:15 |
Chinchou |
Ah right. |
| 17:15 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: also you need to enable more than just "worldedit" |
| 17:15 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 17:15 |
Chinchou |
Still good advice - most mods will throw strange errors when the directory is misnamed. |
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agaran |
all picks differ in uses and how hard material they can crush, but each use wears always one unit of their durability? |
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NoNamesLeft |
It's still not seeing it |
| 17:17 |
NoNamesLeft |
hm |
| 17:18 |
NoNamesLeft |
let me check ownerships |
| 17:19 |
NoNamesLeft |
Hm, even after chowning the log file it still says permission denies |
| 17:19 |
NoNamesLeft |
oh, wrong path |
| 17:19 |
NoNamesLeft |
durrr |
| 17:19 |
Krock |
HURR DURR |
| 17:20 |
NoNamesLeft |
Still not picking anything up |
| 17:20 |
NoNamesLeft |
at a dead end here |
| 17:20 |
NoNamesLeft |
It still ahsn't written anything to world.mt |
| 17:20 |
NoNamesLeft |
I started and stopped the server like 3 times |
| 17:21 |
NoNamesLeft |
I'm starving so I'm gonna get some food, back later |
| 17:21 |
agaran |
NoNamesLeft: have good meal |
| 17:21 |
agaran |
Krock: sword adds up to armor rating? |
| 17:21 |
Krock |
agaran, haven't heard of that yet. does it? |
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| 17:22 |
agaran |
dunno I have no sword on me at moment was curious what I can put in last slot in armor page |
| 17:24 |
agaran |
Krock: btw if you need fuel.. I have some spare oil extract.. |
| 17:25 |
Krock |
agaran, oh thanks for the offer but sadly I can't play today. Maybe later ;) |
| 17:25 |
agaran |
Krock: not saying now :) just let me know if you need |
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eliotJ |
agaran: My kid play earlier in the ManicDigger many, many hours... Does it's possible to import worlds from ManicDigger to Minetest ? |
| 17:32 |
agaran |
I have no clue, but I doubt.. |
| 17:32 |
eliotJ |
agaran: ok. |
| 17:33 |
Krock |
there are so freaking damn many ways to save data - each game would need its own to-Minetest converter |
| 17:38 |
eliotJ |
In offline mode do there are npc ? |
| 17:38 |
agaran |
eliotJ: can be if you add mods.. normally there are no npc's |
| 17:40 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Or even does it's possible turn off sword completly in game, some mods or config or even modification in under the trunk ? |
| 17:40 |
agaran |
eliotJ: yes |
| 17:40 |
agaran |
eliotJ: you simply need to remove crafting recipe for it and eventually also node definition and it is permanently eradicated |
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| 17:41 |
agaran |
you have minetest game in games, you can copy it, then change it in copy and just run server using that new one.. and it is done and even if you upgrade it will stay same |
| 17:46 |
segfault22 |
still not sure what direction in which I should take the development of my resources-mod, except up of course |
| 17:47 |
segfault22 |
maybe I should just patch up an older incomplete version that was working nicely for the most part, and release it, then release the massively redone version shortly thereafter |
| 17:48 |
segfault22 |
the mod won't really replace moreores and similar mods, but it will make it obsolete for just about all serious minetest servers based on a latest version |
| 17:49 |
segfault22 |
people who don't use the API will be missing out on a lot, because they will have to minetest.register_* lots of stuff the hard way, instead of letting some other mod handle it flawlessly |
| 17:51 |
segfault22 |
server owners will love it because they will be able to add or remove any material at any time, and fine-tune all of the properties of any material and all items/nodes/tools based on the material by just changing one or a few lines |
| 17:51 |
segfault22 |
well, at any time the server is not online, because you can't minetest.register_* after the game is initiated |
| 17:52 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Eeee... "remove crafting recipe", "node definition"... Do these are in the some folders ? |
| 17:52 |
agaran |
eliotJ: yes, do you want to find me and tell you more exact explanations? |
| 17:53 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Would be awsome :) |
| 17:53 |
agaran |
what operating system you use? |
| 17:53 |
eliotJ |
win xp |
| 17:53 |
eliotJ |
or Android |
| 17:53 |
eliotJ |
on the tblet |
| 17:54 |
agaran |
so winxp, then you have folder 'games' inside minetest directory, right? |
| 17:54 |
eliotJ |
But... |
| 17:54 |
eliotJ |
My kids have Win Vista |
| 17:54 |
eliotJ |
sorry |
| 17:54 |
agaran |
does not matter |
| 17:54 |
eliotJ |
I missunderstand you |
| 17:54 |
agaran |
on linux there is 'grep' ;) on win not really |
| 17:54 |
eliotJ |
ok |
| 17:55 |
agaran |
so inside games directory there is minetest_game, this is base set of mods defining default world |
| 17:56 |
agaran |
then inside mods dir there, you have 'default' mod, and it contains sword defs etc, |
| 17:56 |
agaran |
among other needed things so we just remove swords leaving rest |
| 17:57 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Does it's all ? |
| 17:58 |
agaran |
no.. you need edit few files but I wanted to know if you found that first |
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Nosrick |
Why would checking if player.is_player is valid cause a crash? |
| 17:58 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Uuuu... I don't download Minetest yet... Give me a moment I will download it now... |
| 17:59 |
agaran |
eliotJ: there are axes which can be used for harming too but they are needed to chop trees.. okay, take your time |
| 18:00 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Unpacking now :) |
| 18:04 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Hmmm... I don't see sword in these path what you described above... |
| 18:04 |
eliotJ |
agaran: sword.lua <- does I need to find ? |
| 18:04 |
agaran |
there is aliases.lua in default there are aliases, we may remove them for completness (few containing sword in line, you can delete line or simply add two - before it, that means comment it) |
| 18:05 |
agaran |
then default/crafting.lua which has 'recipe' to make few kinds of swords (wodden, stone, steel, mese etc..) also comment whole minetest.register_.. () for swords.. you can do that or you need more detailed help? |
| 18:05 |
agaran |
then default/tools.lua where actual swords are defined again -- to comment them out |
| 18:07 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Should I adding two lines before these part of lua and also after ? |
| 18:08 |
agaran |
there is minetest.register_craft({.... sword...}) so comment whole block to }) |
| 18:08 |
eliotJ |
I mean lua code |
| 18:08 |
agaran |
same for minetest.register_node({..sword..}) |
| 18:11 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Hmmm... Maybe you will do fast edit of these files (adding comment) and upload it somewhere and I will use yours modified files on my kids PC ? |
| 18:11 |
eliotJ |
agaran: I suppose this will be faster way ;) |
| 18:12 |
agaran |
bbut less learning ;) |
| 18:12 |
agaran |
sure, I can try at least |
| 18:12 |
eliotJ |
agaran: I will do compare content for learning :) |
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eliotJ |
Btw. I think all these tips can be some cool idea for some article or part of documentation for other parents who want gives Minetest for their kids, but don't want violence at all :) |
| 18:18 |
agaran |
eliotJ: http://pastebin.com/hGRk2epV http://pastebin.com/hCW27Rzx |
| 18:22 |
MinetestBot |
[git] xunto -> minetest/minetest: Move on join and on leave messages to lua (#4460) 0b0075e https://git.io/v6SGJ (2016-08-22T20:21:48+02:00) |
| 18:23 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Ok. Thanks so much :). Now download these 2 codes, saves to correct files and that is all ? |
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agaran |
yep, I think so, you can test yourself (turning on creative mode) if any sword can be found |
| 18:24 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Creative mode <- aoes it's while playing game, right ? |
| 18:25 |
eliotJ |
*does |
| 18:25 |
agaran |
if you enable 'creative mode' checkbox in singleplayer then you get all items accessible without need to make them.. |
| 18:25 |
agaran |
there is big list on side of inventory window, there should be no sword available |
| 18:25 |
agaran |
other items, hoe, axe, pickaxe will be but they are needed to dig stone, chop trees etc.. |
| 18:26 |
agaran |
you can remove all those and turn on creative mode as well it depends what you want to do.. |
| 18:27 |
eliotJ |
agaran: oooo... I see |
| 18:28 |
eliotJ |
agaran: Thank you so much again... :) |
| 18:28 |
agaran |
yw |
| 18:28 |
eliotJ |
I have 3 kids... One is a newborn ;) |
| 18:29 |
eliotJ |
And I like to give thay some creative games |
| 18:29 |
agaran |
sounds logical.. |
| 18:31 |
eliotJ |
Ok. Time to supper with family... I will be back later |
| 18:32 |
agaran |
have good meal |
| 18:32 |
eliotJ |
agaran: :) |
| 18:33 |
MinetestBot |
[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Client: disable pre v25 init sending by default d767f02 https://git.io/v6SZx (2016-08-22T20:23:28+02:00) |
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NoNamesLeft |
Hey again, still not figured it |
| 18:34 |
NoNamesLeft |
Tried taking ownership of /var/games/minetest-server |
| 18:35 |
octacian |
uhm, why are u using minetest-server? |
| 18:35 |
agaran |
well, what linux you have, you compiled all that yourself? |
| 18:36 |
agaran |
well you have debian, my bad |
| 18:36 |
agaran |
need to wake up.. or maybe not |
| 18:36 |
NoNamesLeft |
octacian, because that's where the world got placed |
| 18:36 |
NoNamesLeft |
and I'm hosting a server |
| 18:36 |
NoNamesLeft |
I got it from apt-get |
| 18:36 |
octacian |
All u have to do is compile minetest. It has the server built in. minetest --server --world <worldname> etc... |
| 18:36 |
octacian |
there is no need for minetest-server |
| 18:36 |
NoNamesLeft |
I just grabbed minetest-server from aptitude |
| 18:37 |
octacian |
minetest --server has identical functionality, without the need for extra packages. |
| 18:37 |
NoNamesLeft |
But I suppose I'll try that since I cannot get it to even recognise mods |
| 18:39 |
agaran |
NoNamesLeft: my game stuff has group set to games, and this simply works.. |
| 18:39 |
NoNamesLeft |
yeah I have files and folders everywhere |
| 18:40 |
octacian |
group set to games? what did you do? :P |
| 18:40 |
Nosrick |
Grump grump, I might write my own API for everything. |
| 18:40 |
NoNamesLeft |
the executable is in /usr/games/ |
| 18:40 |
agaran |
octacian: chown -R .games ? |
| 18:40 |
octacian |
ok.. That is weird |
| 18:40 |
agaran |
NoNamesLeft: that is irrelevant actually it may be /my/personal/little/moon as well |
| 18:40 |
octacian |
fyi, chown doesn't work like that |
| 18:41 |
octacian |
chown <option> <user>:<group> <folder> |
| 18:41 |
agaran |
octacian: nope, all game stuff has own users and belongs to games group.. |
| 18:41 |
agaran |
octacian: depends how old chown you are used to use.. |
| 18:41 |
agaran |
I remember 2.0.20 kernels.. |
| 18:41 |
agaran |
it was using dot as separator.. |
| 18:41 |
agaran |
sorry for misleading but I am simply used to ., some of my systems still use . not : |
| 18:42 |
octacian |
ohk |
| 18:42 |
octacian |
i'd recommend tho, that NoNamesLeft check out https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 |
| 18:43 |
octacian |
then he can use minetest --server and it'll all work normally :P |
| 18:44 |
NoNamesLeft |
Yeah I'll just dump it in a folder somehwere and start fresh |
| 18:44 |
agaran |
octacian: well for me /usr/games do work normally..;) |
| 18:44 |
octacian |
agaran: yep, and that's great! The newest version of MT however, works differently by default |
| 18:44 |
agaran |
0.4.14.. |
| 18:45 |
endev15 |
yeah. 4.14 |
| 18:45 |
NoNamesLeft |
That one line script just spews errors |
| 18:45 |
endev15 |
you tried the first one line script? |
| 18:46 |
NoNamesLeft |
nah the portable one |
| 18:46 |
NoNamesLeft |
But the error is at apt-get |
| 18:46 |
NoNamesLeft |
so I reckon I need different repos |
| 18:46 |
endev15 |
yeah, that would explain it. you've messed with the default repos? Your on Debian, right? |
| 18:46 |
NoNamesLeft |
Package libjpeg8-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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NoNamesLeft |
[////] |
| 18:46 |
NoNamesLeft |
However the following packages replace it: |
| 18:46 |
NoNamesLeft |
libjpeg62-turbo-dev |
| 18:46 |
NoNamesLeft |
Yeah, I'll run apt-get update and see |
| 18:47 |
endev15 |
that'd probably help. otherwise, try replacing libjpeg8-dev with libjpeg62-turbo-dev and see what happens. |
| 18:47 |
NoNamesLeft |
I mean I don't really need those pkgs since the server runs rind outout it |
| 18:47 |
NoNamesLeft |
fine* |
| 18:47 |
NoNamesLeft |
without* |
| 18:47 |
NoNamesLeft |
I've been at work 10 hours |
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agaran |
Nosrick: trying IhrFussel's Server? |
| 18:47 |
endev15 |
the thing is compiling MT. The packages are needed for cmake and make |
| 18:48 |
Nosrick |
I am! |
| 18:48 |
NoNamesLeft |
Oh no the libs are for ma-- |
| 18:48 |
NoNamesLeft |
yeah |
| 18:48 |
agaran |
saw you logging in.. |
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NoNamesLeft |
yeah it seems to be doing it now I've replaced the package names |
| 18:50 |
endev15 |
nice |
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endev15 |
It might take a while the first time |
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NoNamesLeft |
yeah, compiling does since it's a fairly limited cheap vps |
| 18:52 |
endev15 |
vps? |
| 18:52 |
NoNamesLeft |
virtual private server |
| 18:52 |
NoNamesLeft |
Just hosting a little server |
| 18:52 |
endev15 |
oh. just to host a MT server? |
| 18:53 |
NoNamesLeft |
well I have other uses for it |
| 18:53 |
NoNamesLeft |
but mt server is one of them |
| 18:53 |
agaran |
for a moment I thought about running MT server just to have publicly accessible playground for some mod tweaking.. |
| 18:53 |
endev15 |
I wonder if it'd be worthwhile to set up a MT hosting service that was actually easy to use.. |
| 18:53 |
endev15 |
agaran: that's exactly what I do |
| 18:53 |
agaran |
but so far decided to not :) no code I made is worth to showing.. |
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NoNamesLeft |
Where is the minetest.conf for the server? It seems it isn't reading the one in ./minetest |
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NoNamesLeft |
it's just ignored all the settings I changed |
| 19:26 |
agaran |
yes there is, but depends on user and how you invoke it |
| 19:26 |
agaran |
you can specify which config to use with cmdline option |
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NoNamesLeft |
yeah I was gonna look for that |
| 19:27 |
NoNamesLeft |
is it --config |
| 19:31 |
NoNamesLeft |
Ugh, all this effort and now the shitting mod doesn't work, I don't expect you guys to help since it's not your responsibility but all WorldEdit commands just return "invalid command". does it have to be installed on the client too? |
| 19:32 |
NoNamesLeft |
I've granted myself the priv |
| 19:32 |
agaran |
no, you need it only on servers |
| 19:32 |
NoNamesLeft |
Right, any idea why it's not working then? the mod is set to true and it recognises the worldedit privilege |
| 19:32 |
NoNamesLeft |
let me run /mods |
| 19:33 |
NoNamesLeft |
ah, there's worldedit_commands too, let's se |
| 19:33 |
NoNamesLeft |
nah that's not a privilege |
| 19:35 |
NoNamesLeft |
restarted everything, it works |
| 19:35 |
NoNamesLeft |
odd |
| 19:38 |
segfault22 |
I can't get software RAID to work,... the implementation is just so rinky-dink and the documentation is like a whole novel based on sarcasm |
| 19:39 |
segfault22 |
So I have to do something else |
| 19:39 |
agaran |
with md or device mapper? |
| 19:39 |
segfault22 |
either |
| 19:40 |
segfault22 |
Also I have determined that there isn't much benefit to using a RAID array, when there are other options that may be more effective |
| 19:40 |
agaran |
depends on point of view and requirements.. |
| 19:41 |
segfault22 |
for now though, since I can't just go buy a bunch of fresh new hardware yet, either I'll just store the server and files on the older drive and back-up every day to the newer drive, or find some alternative software that can mirror the data without being rinky-dink like mdadm |
| 19:42 |
segfault22 |
When I can afford to go buy fresh hardware, I'll build another system in a full ATX case using the PCI SATA RAID card I have and a compatible motherboard |
| 19:44 |
segfault22 |
said ATX case will be from any old outdated system I can buy from a thrift store, because that is more reasonable than paying some $100+ for a metal box with a few plastic parts and a couple of drive cages |
| 19:45 |
segfault22 |
then I can focus most of the budget on a motherboard, processor, cooling system, power supply, and so on |
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segfault22 |
I would rather use this old dell system with a raid array though, because it can still be used and it works mostly, but I can't find a compatible card and the software array isn't working, and it might fail any time soon especially if it is run 23.75/7 dedicated |
| 19:47 |
segfault22 |
24/7 system-runtime, 23.75/7 server-runtime |
| 19:50 |
segfault22 |
I have the server properly compiled for this system (hopefully it works) and now I just have to finish my mods, grab some other mods that are necessary like worldedit and a true chunk-based (16^3 areas aligned perfectly with the true chunk boundaries) area-protection mod |
| 19:51 |
segfault22 |
maybe a decent mob system that I can customize for the environment |
| 19:54 |
segfault22 |
mdadm probably was good and worked fine in the past when stuff was simpler, but it hasn't been updated since ever and there's a whole bunch of crap built around it that interferes with its functionality and causes it to work improperly or not at all. Wikipedia even had to delete the section of their page about the "known issues" because too many people used it to solve their problems and told too many other people about it |
| 19:55 |
segfault22 |
I don't have anything against the person or people who developed mdadm, but it obviously wasn't taken good care of since the last time it was updated |
| 19:56 |
segfault22 |
not sure if I should upgrade all of my linux systems to the newer kernel that isn't listed in the linux mint update manager or synaptic package manager |
| 19:57 |
agaran |
well I could try to help with mdadm.. for my needs it works.. |
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segfault22 |
Don't worry about it, there's probably something wrong either with the way I configured the system or I looked at it wrong when I was installing it, either way it doesn't really create an array after I issue the command and it actually says that it created the array successfully |
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agaran |
well it worked for me even configured during install when I had lvm over md over physical drives.. |
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segfault22 |
it doesn't put a device or anything at /dev/md0 or any /dev/md<#>, all devices and volumes and the file system are the same as they were before I even installed the program |
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segfault22 |
I can't use raid with the installation because I am keeping the OS separate from the storage drives |
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agaran |
did same.. just used expert mode.. |
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segfault22 |
yes of course, so that you can configure the os to use raid, but that will not work for what I need. |
| 20:11 |
agaran |
well but you should be able configure only OS drives and rest when it is installed.. |
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segfault22 |
I need the raid array to be separate from the device on which the os is installed, and there is no way to configure a raid array during installation unless it's also the boot device |
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segfault22 |
boot device, os device, whatever |
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segfault22 |
the one with the os on it; the raid array has to be without any operating system at all to maximize the available space for storage of regular files |
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agaran |
dunno.. I was able to do it my way.. |
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agaran |
but maybe it is because I use debian.. |
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segfault22 |
yeah, that's probably it |
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segfault22 |
maybe I should switch to debian, and re-do everything I have done with ubuntu but instead the debian way |
| 20:20 |
segfault22 |
if it would work, it's worth it, and I've got like 9 months of time for whatever so that's no problem |
| 20:20 |
Calinou |
!server Calinou |
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MinetestBot |
Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 27/32, 23/31 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 10ms |
| 20:20 |
Calinou |
wow |
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agaran |
dunno, but you may try at least for moment just to see if installer works better for yo, right? |
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agaran |
Calinou: congrats :) |
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segfault22 |
I need to be able to get a minimal server installation that only runs a command-line interface instead of the full window manager "and all of that crap" |
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agaran |
thats easy with debian.. |
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segfault22 |
good |
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segfault22 |
I see there's a netinstall image that doesn't come with much and downloads all of the necessary files |
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agaran |
yes... that too |
| 20:23 |
segfault22 |
can a minimal installation of the os fit into less than 8 GB? |
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Hijiri |
Nosrick: hey |
| 20:23 |
Nosrick |
Hey Hijiri! |
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Nosrick |
What's up? |
| 20:23 |
Hijiri |
I don't like your match 3 game's interface |
| 20:23 |
Hijiri |
I think it would be better if you used buttons for the UI and tracked your own state instead of relying on inventories |
| 20:24 |
Hijiri |
the swapping is buggy and you can swap even nonadjacent things |
| 20:24 |
Hijiri |
it would be simpler to do the thing yourself rather than layer a hack on top of the inventory |
| 20:25 |
Hijiri |
it may or may not help the crashes, because I don't know what causes them |
| 20:25 |
Hijiri |
you just need a draw function to turn your game state into a formspec and some function to handle buttons |
| 20:25 |
Hijiri |
button labels could have coordinates embedded, like thingy_0_5 |
| 20:26 |
Hijiri |
you could use that to check the pressed button |
| 20:26 |
Hijiri |
you would have to cycle through the possible buttons but that is not really that expensive since it will only happen occasionally (when players click things) |
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segfault22 |
Nosrick isn't responding; maybe mad or something? |
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Nosrick |
No, I was messing around with my mod, sorry. |
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segfault22 |
oh its fine |
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segfault22 |
don't be' |
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segfault22 |
I don't even know what the connect-3 is like |
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segfault22 |
,atch 3 |
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segfault22 |
matcg |
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Nosrick |
Hijiri, that was actually my other option. Also, it's meant to be a more free-form match-3 |
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segfault22 |
matchj |
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Nosrick |
Puzzle and Dragon uses a similar system. |
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Hijiri |
oh, I see |
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segfault22 |
MATCH |
| 20:29 |
Nosrick |
*applause* |
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Hijiri |
I think you should still use buttons though |
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Hijiri |
the way the selected item changes is odd |
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segfault22 |
I have to go for now,... I may be back later... |
| 20:29 |
Nosrick |
Later, segfault22. |
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Hijiri |
by seggy |
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Hijiri |
bye* |
| 20:29 |
Nosrick |
Yeah, I might re-write it to use buttons. |
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segfault22 |
thank y'all for feedback, for the help with stuff and for keeping me company |
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Hijiri |
I've never played PAD but I know it has microtransactions |
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Hijiri |
Nosrick: did you figure out where the minigame crashes were coming from? |
| 20:30 |
Nosrick |
I've only played the 3DS version, so I didn't know it had microtransaction. |
| 20:30 |
Nosrick |
Not really. :\ |
| 20:31 |
Nosrick |
Haven't had many logs. |
| 20:31 |
Nosrick |
But I think I know what's causing it. |
| 20:31 |
Nosrick |
Only one way to find out, though. And that's for multiplayer testing. |
| 20:31 |
Hijiri |
tell people what to test |
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Hijiri |
your mod is on the serber |
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Nosrick |
I don't think anyone's paying much attention to the thread. |
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Hijiri |
Nosrick: you can get on the server and tell them there |
| 20:46 |
Nosrick |
I might do, actually. |
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NoNamesLeft |
dev suggestion: ability to chat from server console |
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Calinou |
NoNamesLeft: I believe you can enable ncurses console |
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Calinou |
and install a mod that allows you to broadcast to all players |
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NoNamesLeft |
Calinou, I'll look into it thanks |
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Ronsor |
hey... so i'm looking for some people (non-griefers) to join my private server |
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Ronsor |
hi rubenwardy |
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rubenwardy |
hi Ronsor |
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Vault |
┬─┬ノ(ಠ_ಠノ) |
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betterthanyou710 |
(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿) |
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Vault |
XD |
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