Time Nick Message 00:52 Bekfast_La_Twin HOI I FIGURED OUT IRC 00:52 Bekfast_La_Twin Vault? You here? 00:52 Vault yes 00:53 Bekfast_La_Twin Lol how do u pm? 00:54 Megaf Bekfast_La_Twin: /query Nick 00:54 Bekfast_La_Twin Lmao Vault! XDDDD 00:54 Vault_Le_Twin use #VaultBoy 00:54 Bekfast_La_Twin Okay ;) 00:54 Megaf :) 00:56 Vault_Le_Twin funny 01:39 Resurgence Hi guys its me bakfast 01:39 Vault_Le_Twin oh 01:39 Vault_Le_Twin geeze XD 01:39 Vault_Le_Twin I was going to say after I saw your IP 01:39 Resurgence XD hi vault 01:40 Vault_Le_Twin XD hi 01:41 sea` Does anyone wanna help me harvest my tomatoes? 01:41 Resurgence XD ARE WE EVER GOING TO Stop SAYING XD 01:41 Vault_Le_Twin no Resurgence 01:41 Resurgence FOR NO REASON 01:42 Vault_Le_Twin NEVER 01:42 Vault_Le_Twin btw this is the Minetest geek channel anyways 01:42 Resurgence Yeah I know 01:43 Resurgence Ara 01:43 Vault_Le_Twin wrong channel kid 01:44 Resurgence What channel should I join then 01:44 Vault_Le_Twin you need to join the daconcepts network 01:44 Resurgence How 01:45 Vault_Le_Twin facepalm 01:45 Vault_Le_Twin look it up 01:45 Resurgence ? 01:47 Resurgence Its not working 01:48 Vault_Le_Twin well duh you have to go to the network 01:48 Vault_Le_Twin your on freenode network 01:52 thepiercingarrow hey 01:52 thepiercingarrow bak 01:52 thepiercingarrow and Vault_Le_Twin 01:52 thepiercingarrow ti mean vault 01:53 Vault_Le_Twin Resurgence, is Bak 01:53 Resurgence Yep yep 01:53 thepiercingarrow what? 01:53 thepiercingarrow i mean bakfast 01:53 thepiercingarrow vault, you there? 01:53 Vault_Le_Twin yes 01:53 Vault_Le_Twin Im Vault 01:53 thepiercingarrow you are vault? 01:53 thepiercingarrow Resurgence: you are bakfast? 01:53 Vault_Le_Twin resurge is Bakfast 01:54 Resurgence Yeah I am bakfast arrow 01:55 Resurgence Arrow? 01:56 Vault_Le_Twin thepiercingarrow, 01:56 Bakfast Hello arrow you there? 01:56 thepiercingarrow yes Bakfast 01:56 thepiercingarrow hi 01:56 thepiercingarrow wazzup? 01:57 Bakfast Dude why are you talking to at sexual 01:57 thepiercingarrow what? 01:57 Bakfast *ara not at 01:57 thepiercingarrow what? 01:57 Bakfast I know how you have been talking to her 01:57 thepiercingarrow yep 01:58 thepiercingarrow what bout it 01:58 Bakfast And why are you talking to her like that 01:59 Vault_Le_Twin Lmao idfk his name is sea and he's "the God of irc and I have displeased him" 01:59 Bakfast I wish there was some kind of spectating mode to this app 01:59 thepiercingarrow Bakfast: you'll have to be more specific 01:59 Vault_Le_Twin no but theres a VaultBoy :P 02:00 Bekfast_La_Twin Lmao found you ! I was mentioned lol 02:00 Bakfast You are being sexual to her 02:00 Vault_Le_Twin XD 02:00 thepiercingarrow Bakfast: no.. im not 02:00 thepiercingarrow im seriously 02:00 thepiercingarrow not 02:00 Bakfast Bek 02:00 Bekfast_La_Twin HOLD ON TYPING SLOW AF 02:00 Bakfast DID YOU LIE TO ME 02:01 Bakfast ?!?!?!!?!!?!?! 02:01 thepiercingarrow me? 02:01 Bekfast_La_Twin You said some shit about Ara liking it down deep -_- 02:01 thepiercingarrow chances are bek didnt lie 02:01 Vault_Le_Twin /join #VaultBoy 02:01 Bakfast No but k 02:01 Bekfast_La_Twin (ara) 02:01 Bakfast *bek 02:01 Vault_Le_Twin keep this out of mainchat 02:01 Bekfast_La_Twin Lol oops :P 02:01 Vault_Le_Twin you too bak 02:02 Bakfast How do I make it private 02:02 Vault_Le_Twin /join #VaultBoy 02:02 thepiercingarrow Bakfast: do /join #VaultBoy 02:03 Bakfast Did I join 02:03 Vault_Le_Twin yes 02:03 Bakfast Ok 02:05 Bakfast Arrow WTF you saying that for 02:05 Vault_Le_Twin wrong channel Bakfast 02:05 Bakfast ? 02:06 Vault_Le_Twin your talking in minetest talk in VaultBoy 02:06 Bakfast ? 02:06 Vault_Le_Twin oh ferdunt 02:06 Bakfast How I thought I was in 02:06 Vault_Le_Twin you are 02:06 Vault_Le_Twin but your speaking in the wrong channel 02:15 thepiercingarrow bye 02:24 AntumDeluge Continuing my questions on my custom node from #minetest-dev..... 02:24 AntumDeluge So the naming looks okay to me. I've got the files "glass_green.png" & "glass_green_detail.png" in the subfolder "textures": https://postimg.org/image/4c62i61b1/ 02:25 AntumDeluge I thought at first the problem might be because the images were using RGB, so I changed them to indexed color. But that didn't fix anything. 02:26 Vault_Le_Twin change the names completely? 02:26 Vault_Le_Twin im sorry im useless if it was minecraft, this would be a snap because it's all ID based 02:27 AntumDeluge I've got an idea that I am going to try.... 02:27 AntumDeluge going to use images from "default" mod to see if they work for it. 02:27 Vault_Le_Twin ive done 4 years of minecrap so im doing Minetest 02:29 Vault_Le_Twin look if you ever need minecraft help come bug me otherwise Minetest erm ill be kinda useless 02:29 AntumDeluge Nope, the textures from "default" don't work either. 02:30 AntumDeluge I've only ever played Minecraft once. I don't plan on playing it anymore. 02:31 Vault_Le_Twin the PC edition is actually very interesting after modding it 02:32 Vault_Le_Twin if your smart enough there are many break points for it 02:32 AntumDeluge So, to show what I had posted in #minetest-dev this is the code: http://pastebin.com/69xJs16P 02:33 AntumDeluge And this is what it looks like when I play: https://postimg.org/image/drhchmty5/ 02:33 AntumDeluge There is no image in the inventory & in hand it's just a gray/white rectangle. 02:33 AntumDeluge It can't be placed either, like I intended. 02:36 AntumDeluge In the first image that I posted, I had registered a second node called "glass:test". That one works, all except the texture. It has the "unknown item" texture. 02:36 Vault_Le_Twin this is a mod correct?] 02:37 Vault_Le_Twin nvm im shutting up 02:41 AntumDeluge Yes, it is a mod. 02:42 Vault_Le_Twin so why not try to base it off of other mods? 02:49 AntumDeluge What do you mean? All it is is a node. I just copied the code from "default:glass" & changed to textures to make them green. 02:50 AntumDeluge I'm not getting any error output from it either. 03:09 shivajiva nm0i do you run light creative server? 03:21 nm0i Oh please stop 03:21 nm0i I'm in good mood 03:21 nm0i I drew cool rose earlier 03:21 nm0i Don't ruin it 04:19 Chinchou Holy crap. 04:20 Chinchou I think I may have lost my motivation to keep up on logs in large channels. Not because the log is large, but because /what the hell was that/. 04:25 swift110 ol 04:46 * Chinchou facepalms 04:46 thepiercingarrow hey 04:46 thepiercingarrow hey Vault_Le_Twin 04:48 Chinchou Segfaults are such nasty business. 04:48 * Chinchou prods the server 04:48 Chinchou Arise 04:49 thepiercingarrow prood 04:49 thepiercingarrow ahh 04:49 thepiercingarrow *wakes up* 04:52 Chinchou Maybe I should make a debug build in case that happens again. 04:52 Chinchou Rebuilding the server is competing with making lunch for the greater part of my laziness right now. 04:53 thepiercingarrow what? 04:53 thepiercingarrow what happened? 05:21 thepiercingarrow hey namach 06:08 Calinou Chinchou: here I use Quassel, logs are stored 24/7 on my VPS in a PostgreSQL database 06:08 Calinou problem is, I'm in like over 60 channels… so it gets huge quickly 06:08 Calinou (it got to 2.1 million lines once, slowing down the server to a crawl) 06:08 Calinou so I purge it on a regular basis 06:09 Chinchou Calinou, the problem is not the size of the log but the... frankly, the idiocy that took place in the /wrong/ place. 06:09 Chinchou It was mostly a light-hearted comment on it. 06:09 * Chinchou shrugs 06:09 Chinchou That's a ludicrous log, though. 06:10 Chinchou (My flatmate would make a joke about "huge logs" if they were awake.) 06:11 Chinchou I just rotate my log files every month or so and shove them in XZ-compressed tarballs. 06:15 Calinou I'm lazy so I regualarly SSH in, and do "DELETE FROM backlog;" then "VACUUM full;" :P 06:15 Calinou need to script it 06:15 Chinchou Pfthehe 08:21 nosrick Morning folks 08:31 segfault22 Hello everyone 08:31 segfault22 I'm still having problems with that system I am trying to set-up for a server... 08:32 segfault22 I confirmed that the PCI SATA RAID card works, by putting it in the system I'm using right now and hooking up the disks in their external mounting cage-on-a-board-with-extra-PSU 08:32 Chinchou segfault22, have you considered a new name? Perhaps your server is getting mixed signals from you. 08:33 segfault22 xD 08:33 Chinchou =w=; 08:33 segfault22 perhaps 08:34 Chinchou I don't recall your setup very well. 08:35 Chinchou Oh sh- Monday! 08:35 * Chinchou scampers off 08:36 shamoanjac hay nosrick 08:36 nosrick shamoanjac, my mod keeps crashing the server somehow. I can't replicate any of the crashes! 08:37 shamoanjac strange 08:37 shamoanjac did you get the logs 08:38 segfault22 my server system is a dell dimension C521 with a replacement/hot-wired CPU fan, modified case to let the SATA cables from the RAID card clear the flange on the right side of the lid, replaced RAM capacitors, and a partially failing onboard graphics processor. And 7GB of RAM even though it's only designed for 4GB 08:39 shamoanjac Hi Nuclear 08:39 shamoanjac wait no not Nuclear lel 08:40 segfault22 I prefer to keep the OS on a separate disk, and the mainboard only has 2 SATA ports on it (there's spots and traces for 2 more but they are unpopulated... maybe I should mod it?) so I can't put the raid array on the mainboard ports and use software-RAID to control it - I have to use the card 08:40 segfault22 The card is supposed to display a dialog at startup that says "press F4 or Ctrl+S to enter RAID utility" or something like that, but instead it lets the BIOS do it's thing and then displays a flashing underscore cursor for a few seconds, then goes blank (display is outputting data, but it's black-screen) 08:42 segfault22 it used to let me get into the boot-options menu and boot a disc or flashdrive half of the time, but now it does the blank screen every time the card is installed. The card is mainly intended for PCI-E, but it is supposedly backwards-compatible with the "old" PCI standard implemented in the C521. Perhaps it's incompatible... 08:43 segfault22 ALso it used to have a dual phone-jack adapter card in the PCI slot, so it probably isn't a physical issue on or right near the slot itself 08:44 Chinchou Glurp. Yeah, that sounds like an incompatibility... Well, Dells often refuse to boot with certain hardware even when there's full compatibility otherwise... 08:44 * Chinchou has flashbacks to dealing with a friend's Dell machine 08:45 Chinchou Sorry, I had to go upload the week's comic. 08:45 segfault22 it's okay 08:46 nosrick shamoanjac, no logs yet. Just reports from players. 08:46 segfault22 Well then I guess either the system is no good for this application, and I will have to build a different computer in the future when I can afford it (difficulty: 3) - or I will have to mod the motherboard and add 2 more SATA ports (difficulty: OVER 9000) 08:47 Chinchou Hmm... 08:47 Chinchou How many disks are in your array? 08:48 Chinchou I'm wondering if you can use one of those PATA-to-SATA adaptor boards that plug straight into the IDE ports. 08:49 Chinchou If you only have two disks in your array, it'd work - and then you could use software RAID(well, you'd probably be forced to use software RAID). 08:49 segfault22 It doesn't have an IDE port, but if there's such thing as a floppy-to-SATA then that may be an option 08:49 Chinchou Those cards are tiny and- oh, shit, no IDE ports? 08:51 segfault22 I do only have two disks in the array, and two sata ports on the board. I could just plug the sata cables into the ports on the board and configure software RAID, but I would need to make a custom live DVD OS with all of the programs I need (basic ububtu server, vim, something else, and minetest), which I have tried and it's a bit too complicated for me right now 08:51 Chinchou Hrm... I have a PCI SATA RAID card with a VIA chip on it... 6721 or something like that? I haven't used it in a long time. I'm given to understand that that specific controller has a high "actually works with system" rate. 08:52 Chinchou If you have a dock or enclosure, you could just put your OS disk in that and boot through USB. 08:53 Chinchou The specific card I have has two SATA ports and one IDE port on it, and they're cheap as a toilet clogged by a flatmate that doesn't know about plungers. 08:55 segfault22 I don't have an external USB hard drive enclosure/dock, maybe I should have got one of those instead of that SATA RAID card back when I was buying parts for my newer computer 08:56 Chinchou Aye, I love my drive docks. I wish I could find an IDE dock. 08:56 segfault22 have you ever added ports to a motherboard? 08:56 Chinchou Well, if that's not an option either, hmm... 08:56 Chinchou Nope. 08:57 Chinchou The most I've done like that is splicing a 3.5mm audio jack into a game console's AV cable. 09:01 segfault22 Oh, I meant to say the SATA RAID card had a full-height bracket on it, but the picture on the box has one with a full-height bracket and one with a low-profile bracket - the same board will fit in either type of system, it just needs the right bracket - so I fabricated a low-profile bracket from sheet metal and attached the card to it (then found that the tab on the top of the custom bracket was backwards, so I clipped it off and glued the bracket t 09:01 segfault22 o an empty-slot-cover so it would fit) 09:01 segfault22 Maybe there is some subtle difference on the card with the low-profile bracket, that is not really visible, which makes the full-height version incompatible with low-profile systems,... 09:04 Chinchou Unless the card can't physically fit in the case, I'm pretty sure that the bracket size won't have any effect here. 09:04 Chinchou (Even then, you'd have the case open to fit the card) 09:06 shamoanjac in he @test@ server, where are trees and wildlife? 09:06 shamoanjac I've just walked 2000 blocks south and so far everything is just an immaculate stone desert 09:07 segfault22 The low-profile version has a card the same size as on the high-profile version, so it does fit, but just barely (I hat to cut a chunk out of the right side flange on the lid, but only to clear the sata cables in the ports - would be unnecessary if I had the right 90-degree sata cables 09:09 Chinchou segfault22, what I was trying to say(and failing) is that there should be nothing that would render the larger version "incompatible" with a specific system when the smaller one functions - unless, of course, they use different controllers... 09:09 Chinchou In any case, the bracket thing is just case size. 09:09 Chinchou I'm bad at summarising. <- Only thing I can successfully summarise. 09:10 segfault22 It is advertised as the same controller "chipset", so if it is different than the low-profile version, the difference is in the firmware/software 09:10 Chinchou Aye. 09:11 Chinchou I doubt that the two versions differ in any way aside from the layout of the components and traces on the board(if the board is differently-sized in the first place). 09:12 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Be An Angel Day! 😃 👼 09:13 segfault22 good morning 09:13 segfault22 The board is the same size, so the only physical difference is the brackets 09:15 Chinchou In that case, I highly doubt that the bracket is causing problems. 09:15 segfault22 of course, lol 09:15 Chinchou It seems like a BIOS thing, at first. Have you gone through the entire config and double-checked /every/ setting? 09:16 Chinchou (It sounded like you thought that the bracket was causing problems, hence my confusion.) 09:17 segfault22 Yes, I checked the BIOS settings, and it detects the card as "mass storage" (that's all it says about it) - but if I change any settings and save them, the BIOS doesn't load all the way and gets stuck with the diagnostic lights saying "possible graphics failure" (2,3,4) 09:18 segfault22 There is some problem with the onboard graphics chip that "comes out" when its setting gets configured, so unless I buy a graphics card I can't change the settings directly 09:19 segfault22 If it is the BIOS, it looks like they tried to add support for this type of device but just half-assed it so they could get it into production quicker... maybe I could remove the card, update the bios (if there's even an update available) and then try again 09:20 Chinchou Ouch. 09:23 Chinchou A BIOS update is as likely to make things worse as to make them better, sadly. Is there a graphics card you can plug in temporarily? 09:23 shamoanjac 4200 blocks south of the spawn 09:23 shamoanjac still only rock 09:23 segfault22 I don't have one,... sorry 09:25 segfault22 I see some smart people (mostly russians, by the text next to the images at google) have figured out how to solder extra sata ports onto some different motherboards, some people just soldered cut-off sata cable wires directly onto the spot/spots on the board (mostly XBOXes converted to laptops, though) 09:26 Chinchou Huh, soldering a cable straight to the board... 09:27 Chinchou Durp. Well, I'm out of ideas. If you have a steady enough hand, that might work. 09:27 segfault22 but I don't know if the SATA controller on my board even supports the extra un-installed ports, even though there are traces for it - last time I checked it only says there are two sata ports, but I haven't disconnected the CD/DVD drive and checked to see if it says there's only one (that would probably mean it's just ignoring the unconnected devices) 09:28 Chinchou My mainboard lists all ports, and shows disconnected ones as disconnected, but that doesn't mean much. 09:28 segfault22 I replaced the RAM capacitors when some of them went bad, so I might be able to do this, but it would be very difficult and my soldering iron is a bit too big (I had to file the end down to make it small enough to work on other stuff) 09:30 shamoanjac !server tes 09:30 shamoanjac !server test 09:30 MinetestBot shamoanjac: MinetestForFun SKYBLOCK | 158.69.114.146:30054 | Clients: 35/50, 18/35 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetestforfun_skyblock | Ping: 86ms 09:30 Chinchou Well... My idea would be to grab a VIA controller card, if that's not what you're using already, but if the BIOS doesn't like RAID controller cards, then it'd be a bit of a waste. 09:31 Chinchou You're on an extremely limited budget for this, yes? 09:31 segfault22 It isn't a VIA card that I'm using now (this one is by IOCrest with a SiliconImage chip), but that may work because that brand is reported to be generally more compatible 09:31 segfault22 yes, I don't have much at all for buying components... maybe $5 09:31 Chinchou Oh, it was a 6421. 09:31 shamoanjac 5000 blocks south of spawn... still rock 09:32 Chinchou Ach, even a card with a VIA 6421 would probably be more- wait, USD? 09:32 Chinchou Those are 10-12 USD in the places I've seen them. 09:32 Chinchou s/are/were 09:33 segfault22 yes, usd, sadly 09:34 Chinchou So you have three disks, two in the array and one with the OS... All are SATA, but you only have two SATA ports and no IDE ports. No drive dock and the system isn't booting with the controller card... yes? 09:35 segfault22 yes 09:36 Chinchou Damn. Ah, that's right, you get a black screen when trying to boot with the controller card installed. 09:36 segfault22 right 09:36 Chinchou How far does the boot get? 09:39 shamoanjac prrmypx, 09:39 segfault22 it gets past diagnostics, tells me the usual "diskette drive 0 seek failure" (floppy) and "cpu 0 fan failure", "press f1 to continue, f2 to enter setup", and when I go past that, it goes to the black screen - it's trying to do something, there's an underscore-cursor for about three seconds, then it disappears but the screen backlight is still on (still receiving data) 09:41 segfault22 yesterday, I only got the black screen half of the time, and I could try to boot a live disc/flashdrive, which would get about halfway before the screen starts to get filled with a constant stream of error messages that look like they're related to the card 09:41 Chinchou So it fails while still in the BIOS step... 09:42 segfault22 yes - I believe it's possibly related to the card's bios message function, which never appears but is also text mode and that would explain the underscore cursor 09:42 Chinchou That, plus the errors you mentioned, make me wonder if perhaps the BIOS requires access on all connected drives while booting. Stupid, but not outside the realm of possibility. 09:42 segfault22 PCI isn't hot-swappable, right? 09:43 Chinchou I mean that it may try to do I/O on all connected drives. 09:43 Chinchou I'm pretty sure that you're correct on that, about PCI. 09:43 Chinchou SATA devices are, though. 09:43 Chinchou Or was it hot-pluggable... I never manage to keep those straight. 09:44 segfault22 close enough 09:44 Chinchou You're booting off of a drive connected straight to the board, yes? As opposed to the controller. 09:44 segfault22 Yes 09:44 Chinchou You confirmed the card itself to be functional, as I recall. 09:45 Chinchou It really sounds like your BIOS has an intense dislike for your controller card. 09:45 segfault22 Yes, when I have it in this system I'm using right now it works, but the c521 doesn't "like" it 09:46 Chinchou I wonder if there's a way for you to "disable" the card while the system boots, and have the OS re-enable it. If so, that's worth a shot. 09:46 segfault22 I don't know of any way to do that, but it probably would work 09:47 Chinchou ... I doubt that such a thing is possible to the extent you might need, though. 09:47 Chinchou Is there any configuration to be done on the card itself? Perhaps poking at that may yield something of use. 09:48 segfault22 I can try plugging the card into the slot once it's booted the OS and I'm at the CLI, and if it doesn't instantly crash there /may/ be some way to use the OS to "mount" the "new" component 09:48 Chinchou (I'm pretty much at the limits of my knowledge now) 09:48 segfault22 Only configuration on the board is an optional HDD activity light (2 empty pins sticking up out of it) 09:48 segfault22 sorry 09:49 Chinchou I would try to avoid hot-plugging a PCI card unless both the board and card explicitly state that they can handle hot-plugging. 09:49 segfault22 Okay, then I won't because they don't mention it anywhere 09:50 Chinchou I could be wrong about PCI not handling hot-plugging. I don't recall well enough to say one way or the other, so I'm erring on the side of caution here. 09:50 segfault22 The only options now are to somehow get the card to work, either by changing the bios to a new version (with the old version handy to revert if the problems get worse) or solder new sata ports onto the unpopulated spaces on the board 09:51 segfault22 the motherboard, that is 09:51 Chinchou Aye, if new hardware is out of the question. 09:51 segfault22 the card also has two empty sata port spaces, but the packaging and manual explicitly states it's "4-channel" so I doubt they would work at all 09:52 segfault22 I could see about getting a different card that might be more compatible, but it will take some time before I can afford it... 09:52 Chinchou Hmm... I think that the main problem with hot-plugging PCI cards is that they're addressed by the BIOS during initial boot stages. 09:52 Chinchou I don't know if there would be electrical problems. 09:53 segfault22 You are right about that one - even if it can handle the introduction of new electrical load after boot, it most likely won't try to initiate connection with the component - until I reboot it and it does the black screen again 09:54 Chinchou At this point, I can really only advise talking to someone more competent than I. 09:54 Chinchou Sorry 'bout that 09:54 segfault22 If I could just get it to go past the black screen half of the time again, then there may be a chance to have it work and be at least useable 09:54 Chinchou Hrm, ah, yeah. 09:54 segfault22 it's okay, you have helped me a lot 09:54 Chinchou Those error messages might be useful in some way. 09:55 segfault22 Yes, it was showing some kind of error messages (two types - on the flashingblack/white screen it's a single line but I can't read it because it flies down the screen...) that may be helpful in diagnosing where the problem is happening... 09:56 Chinchou Oh! Is it feasible to boot from a flash drive, with your array hooked into the board instead of the card? 09:57 Chinchou You'd be tying up the drive full-time, of course... Hrmm. Perhaps try booting with the card installed but with the array disconnected. 09:58 segfault22 That may be an option, but I would need to install onto a second flash drive with the first one, which is probably better since that other os drive has a lot of bad sectors (it's from a DVR someone else gave to me)... there was an option "please select the drive to install: sda (the flashdrive the install media is on, not good option) and sdb (the hard drive) - it can install to a usb flash drive... 09:59 segfault22 I have tried with the array disconnected (first I just turned off the extra PSU, then I disconnected the sata cables for a second try) and it's not working the same way as before 09:59 segfault22 Thank you for mentioning the use of a flash drive as the os drive - I totally forgot about that... 10:00 segfault22 That DVR hard drive could fail any day, and I don't really need the cd/dvd drive anyways (it has trouble opening also, anyways) 10:01 Chinchou As long as you're not doing many writes(and don't have power problems), a good flash drive should last quite a while in that capacity. Now, actually finding a good flash drive is another story... *Grumble* 10:02 segfault22 I have an 8GB flash drive that's only storing some backup files, but I can put those on a different drive (or re-use the installation flash drive for those same files when I'm done installing to the flash drive) 10:03 Chinchou Well, that would be more than enough for a Debian install. 10:04 Chinchou (As a side note, I find it both hilarious and disturbing that 'doze takes over 20GB while I can put a fully-functional Debian or openSUSE install in 2GB) 10:07 segfault22 it is disturbing; all of that space isn't being used for the user-end software, probably something to monitor everything you do and send it back to their good ol' buddies over at NSA or something 10:08 segfault22 I will be using software RAID instead of a dedicated RAID card, which is disappointing because this card is a really nice one... 10:09 Chinchou Aye. 10:10 Chinchou I have no experience with RAID systems at all yet, which is sad. 10:12 segfault22 It's weird how all the ubuntu sites tell you how to set up software raid during installation for the boot device, after installation also for the boot device, but not for disks that aren't going to be booted... 10:13 segfault22 trying to search for "raid software" google-stupids to "software raid" and gives the same results for setting it up on the boot media 10:13 Chinchou Ach. I'd imagine that it would be little different, but I could be mistaken... Ubuntu isn't exactly the greatest tool in the shed. 10:13 Chinchou (Have you tried using Ixquick instead of google?) 10:13 segfault22 maybe I should try debian-server 10:13 Chinchou (https://ixquick.eu) 10:14 Calinou try the duck which wears a bow tie 10:14 Calinou everyone trusts him :] 10:14 Chinchou Pfft owo; 10:14 * Chinchou quacks. 10:15 Chinchou BRB, soup. 10:15 segfault22 it does the same thing, probably because it's farming results primarily from google and a few others... there should be better syntax support in search engines so that you can specify which order the words come in without having to specify "this phrase and nothing that's any different" 10:17 segfault22 I wish there was a text-mode/CLI-version of ubuntu software center, kinda like how vim works... 10:24 Chinchou "apt search" and aptitude work nicely together for me. 10:31 segfault22 my sata cables might not be long enough to reach the sata ports from the homemade external cage contraption... 10:32 Chinchou Do you not have bays enough inside the case? 10:34 segfault22 there is technically room, but I lost the extra screws that would hold the second disk where the floppy drive is supposed to go, and I think it might get too hot from the reduced air-flow 10:34 Chinchou Ah, yeah. 10:34 segfault22 the clearance between the disks would be negligible 10:35 Chinchou Well, that sucks. 10:35 sea` Oh, now this looks like an interesting conversation for once 10:35 sea` Clearance between the disks? 10:35 segfault22 xD 10:36 segfault22 about as thick as the film of water on a piece of wood left out in the rain for a few minutes 10:36 segfault22 or 1/32 of an inch 10:36 segfault22 oh no, the sky is brightening already and I haven't slept yet 10:36 segfault22 too bad 10:38 segfault22 I'm going /away for a few minutes to reconfigure the system,... I will be /back shortly 10:43 prrmypx shamoanjac, 10:53 segfault22 okay the sata cables do reach the motherboard ports from the external cage, but only just. 10:55 segfault22 The two uninstalled sata port spots are actually closer to where I would need the ports to be, but of course they were omitted to make the machine cheaper 10:55 segfault22 my flash drive is slowing down... 10:55 segfault22 6.5MB/s 10:57 segfault22 okay I'm gonna go install the os to the flash drive now, and try this different configuration... 10:58 Chinchou Hopefully that works out. 11:11 segfault22 It got past the startup stage now, without the card in it and with the disks attached to the two sata ports on the board 11:13 segfault22 but when I try to boot the install flash drive, I get to the menu and press "enter" at "command-line install" and the screen goes black... not sure if it's working and taking a while to display, or there's another problem... 11:13 Bekfast_La_Twin Lol are you up Vault? 11:16 Vault_Le_Twin yes 11:17 segfault22 I moved the blank flash drive to the front with the install flash drive (it was on the back) and now it's working... weird... 11:20 Megaf !server Megaf 11:20 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms 11:20 Vault_Le_Twin !server Vault-81 11:20 MinetestBot Vault_Le_Twin: Vault-81 | 204.106.248.97:31000 | Clients: 1/25, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 138ms 11:21 Vault_Le_Twin there is more then that -.- 11:21 segfault22 "It" detected my SATA RAID metadata from when I set-up the raid array with the SATA RAID card, even though they're connected directly to the board now! :D 11:25 segfault22 that flashdrive light is blinking like a rotary wombat 11:25 Vault_Le_Twin XD 11:25 Vault_Le_Twin oh does anyone know how to update drivers for an old shitty computer on Ubuntu? 11:26 sfan5 apt-get update 11:26 sfan5 and apt-get upgrade 11:27 Vault_Le_Twin Ive done them... 11:27 Vault_Le_Twin Im using a 2002 gateway profile 4 with a Pentium 4 processor 11:27 Vault_Le_Twin with a huge ass fan in the back to prevent overheating 11:33 segfault22 is it okay to make a joke about OS's described as psychoactive substances, or is that not "family-friendly" enough 11:41 segfault22 flashdrive is still blinking fast but the progress bar stopped at 83%... 11:41 Vault_Le_Twin haha froze 11:41 segfault22 oeh noehs its cooking off 11:41 segfault22 all mah bits!!!!!11!one 11:45 segfault22 it's bad to use a flash drive as a working directory (storing packages, unpacking them, etc...) 11:45 Vault_Le_Twin isn't a live disc better? 11:45 segfault22 I can't wait for everspin to release chips that are big enough to make reasonable usb drives with their magnetic spin-torque-transfer technology 11:45 Vault_Le_Twin wait thats for OS 11:46 segfault22 A live disc would be better, if it were reliably rewritable like a hard drive or "everspin chips" 11:46 segfault22 but I don't have DVD-RWs and I would have to disconnect the raid array to make room for the CD/DVD drive 11:47 Vault_Le_Twin or just an external drive 11:47 segfault22 That I also don't have 11:47 Vault_Le_Twin oh ok 11:48 Vault_Le_Twin I have like 50000 CD-R and DVD-RW discs 11:48 segfault22 "Everspin starts sampling 256Mb ST-MRAM chips, plans 1Gb chips by the end of 2016" ... "by the end of 2016" ... not soon enough :/ 11:48 Vault_Le_Twin yeah 11:49 Chinchou Pffft, "rotary wombat". 11:49 segfault22 xD 11:49 Vault_Le_Twin it's funny 11:50 Chinchou Wombats look quite smug sometimes. 11:50 segfault22 it's the name of one of those linux kernels 11:50 Vault_Le_Twin yeah 11:50 Vault_Le_Twin mines Vivid Vervet 11:51 Chinchou Oh, codename of an ubuntu release? 11:51 Vault_Le_Twin yeah 11:51 Vault_Le_Twin latest I believe is Xenial Xeruz 11:51 Vault_Le_Twin Xerus* 11:51 * Chinchou is unfamiliar with most, knows "Jessie", "Wheezy", "Sarge", et cetera 11:52 Chinchou most of the ubuntu names* 11:52 Vault_Le_Twin I vaguely know some 11:53 Vault_Le_Twin Warty Warthog 11:53 Vault_Le_Twin Wiley 11:53 Vault_Le_Twin Vivid 11:53 Vault_Le_Twin Xenial 11:53 Vault_Le_Twin and others 12:02 segfault22 linux mint releases are named with girls' first names, like maya, olivia, rebecca, sarah 12:05 segfault22 Everspin NVRAM is probably very good for usb drives, even though their chips only store up to 32MB so far 12:06 nosrick This is a longshot, but... 12:06 segfault22 it would take 128 of them just to equate a 4gb flash drive 12:06 nosrick Does anyone know why installing mono-complete on raspbian jessie causes my service to stop running? 12:33 DonBatman 1bondage1 12:33 DonBatman i3hegihseh 12:37 Megaf I have no idea about the Ubuntu names 12:37 Megaf there are far too many 12:38 Megaf and I know the Debian names because I used/use them 12:38 Megaf Squeeze - 6, Wheezy - 7, Jessie - 8, Stretch - 9, Sid - Unstable 12:38 Megaf Chinchou: ^ 12:38 Vault_Le_Twin XD 12:38 Megaf Sarge is 5 I think 12:39 Megaf or Etch 12:39 Megaf Etch might be 4 12:39 Megaf but I'm not sure 12:40 Megaf Lenny if 5 actually 12:40 Megaf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Debian_releases 12:43 Chinchou Megaf, I started with Debian 5, but didn't pay attention to the names until Wheezy. 12:43 Chinchou I'm sad. 12:45 Chinchou My old install, which started as Wheezy when it was Testing, moved to Stable, migrated to Jessie during Testing, and reached Stable again, is on a drive that is dead. :c 12:57 Fixer my first debian was Sarge 13:12 shamoanjac prrmypx, 13:21 prrmypx shamoanjac, 13:21 prrmypx fuck i'm still "prr" in here 13:21 prrmypx i discovered this morning that "prr" is, indeed, a brony thing 13:22 resident so what 13:23 resident don't be so insecure about horse pussy 13:24 PmyX it's degenerate and i don't wish to associate with that 13:24 resident why so serious 13:24 resident it's not like you have a good reputation if you act disgusted with something that is seen as cringy by the majority 13:24 resident s/have/get 13:25 resident don't be the lame kid who follows the popular guys around but never actually does anything fun 13:26 Vault_Le_Twin XD 13:26 Vault_Le_Twin "the lame kid" 13:26 Chinchou "Degenerate"... Now I know you're joking. =w=; 13:27 PmyX i'll let you know 13:27 resident a fun popular guy would joke around with the brony and then part while feeling bad for the brony never losing his virginity 13:27 Chinchou Pfft 13:27 resident a lame kid would stay away from the bronies as to not raise attention 13:27 resident from the cool kids 13:28 PmyX that i'm the founder and head op of #coolkids @ rizon 13:28 resident "oh no i cant be seen with them" 13:28 resident "that would end my highschool life" 13:28 PmyX so stfu 13:28 PmyX k 13:28 resident checkmate lamo 13:28 arecascino lmnoqrstuvwxyz 13:28 Chinchou Dear gods. 13:28 arecascino Chinchou: how long has this been going on 13:28 arecascino ? 13:29 Chinchou Less than three minutes. 13:29 Vault_Le_Twin XD 13:29 Chinchou Oh, oops, about five 13:29 Chinchou Misread the timestamps. 13:29 arecascino resident: what are you guys talking about 13:30 resident started with the guy being embarassed about how his former nickname had something to do with bronies 13:30 arecascino oh 13:30 shamoanjac PmyX, 13:30 arecascino prrpx 13:30 arecascino yeah 13:30 PmyX shamoanjac, 13:30 resident isn't that obnoxious 13:30 shamoanjac PmyX, 13:30 PmyX /ignore resident 13:30 arecascino pretty sure we realized that together 13:30 PmyX have fun 13:30 PmyX have fun on the ignore list 13:31 resident oh nooo 13:31 resident not the ignore list of pmyx 13:31 shamoanjac stfu PmyX #coolkids is a shit channel 13:31 PmyX stfu shamoanjac 13:31 * Chinchou sighs 13:31 shamoanjac you suck, your life sucks, your parents are ashamed of what you've become 13:31 resident damn 13:31 PmyX you wanna get /igno 13:31 PmyX that's how u get /igno 13:31 PmyX be careful 13:31 PmyX or you'll be put on the other list 13:31 shamoanjac your mother cries herself to sleep every night (except when I fuck her of course) while you're jerking off to anime children 13:32 PmyX my mom is dead 13:32 arecascino heh 13:32 shamoanjac and the above still holds true 13:32 * Chinchou continues sighing. 13:33 PmyX we cremated her 13:33 resident we creamed her 13:33 arecascino what is even going on 13:33 PmyX very mature of you, resident 13:34 PmyX making fun of my dead mom 13:34 resident your mom isnt dead 13:34 Chinchou In a word? Immaturity. 13:34 PmyX how are you supposed to know 13:34 arecascino shamoanjac: PmyX: get your collective shits together 13:34 resident you wouldn't use it in an internet fight 13:34 PmyX btw, don't forget that you're on /ignore 13:34 resident if it was true 13:34 resident right 13:34 resident shit 13:34 PmyX i'm not fighting 13:35 PmyX i'm getting attacked by everybody 13:35 PmyX you're bullying me 13:35 resident way to turn this around 13:35 resident you are the bully 13:35 PmyX nice victim blaming 13:35 resident more like slut shaming 13:35 resident you slut 13:36 PmyX making fun of my dead mom and blaming me for getting bullied 13:36 arecascino are you guys trying to get banned? 13:36 PmyX what a nice person you are 13:36 resident we're just playing around 13:36 Chinchou I'll be over here, fighting with git. 13:36 resident why so serious arecascino 13:36 PmyX and everybody went quiet~ 13:36 resident we're best mates me and pmyx 13:37 arecascino resident: because I think the quiet speaks for itself 13:37 PmyX i hope all of you 13:37 PmyX now feel like they have a lump in their throats 13:37 PmyX i hope you feel bad 13:37 PmyX all of you 13:38 resident teaches you not to make fun of horsefuckers 13:38 PmyX i'm sending this logs to the channel owners 13:38 arecascino holy shit 13:38 PmyX and to freenode ops 13:38 PmyX you're so getting banned 13:38 PmyX *these logs 13:38 arecascino kde is freezing every 5 seconds 13:38 resident install i3 13:39 resident or awesomewm 13:39 resident super lightweight 13:39 arecascino how about icewm 13:39 arecascino or twm 13:40 Chinchou I should try some of those out again sometime. 13:40 resident i prefer tiling managers 13:40 arecascino what the fuck is going on 13:40 arecascino my i7 is acting like a 486 13:41 arecascino fuck it 13:41 Chinchou My C2D is always acting like a C2D. 13:41 Chinchou I'm glad I don't bother with newer CPUs, with all the stuff I keep hearing and seeing. 13:42 Chinchou (The fact that I don't have the funds for a new build suuuurely has nothing to do with it.) 13:43 * Chinchou gazes lovingly at my old Pentium MMX 133 13:43 Chinchou So old it has SIMM slots. 13:44 resident pmyx lets play survival 13:44 arecascino FUCK SYSTEMD 13:44 Chinchou Hear hear 13:44 PmyX resident, you better apologize first 13:44 PmyX on your knees 13:44 arecascino WHY IS JOURNALD USING 100% OF MY CPU 13:45 Chinchou Oh dear gods. 13:45 arecascino FUCK LENNART POETTERING 13:45 Chinchou arecascino, holy shit 13:45 arecascino WHY DID IT JUST LAUNCH BTRFS BALANCE WHILE IM WORKING 13:45 arecascino WHAT IS TRACKER-MINER-FS 13:46 resident *apologize on my knees* 13:46 Chinchou Systemd tries to do far too much, really... 13:46 Chinchou I miss the old systems. 13:46 resident that's what you get for running systemdicks 13:46 Chinchou I haven't found the courage to strip it out and install file-rc yet. 13:46 arecascino I CANT KILL BTRFS BALANCE 13:46 PmyX k accepted 13:46 arecascino ASJDPJAPJDPSJPADPJ 13:47 arecascino FUCK THIS 13:47 PmyX don't forget your position, tho 13:47 resident yes dominate me 13:47 PmyX i don't play minetest tho 13:48 PmyX video games are p degenerate 13:48 arecascino PmyX: why are you even in here then 13:48 resident why are you here then 13:48 resident thats v stupid 13:48 Calinou Lennart lennart = new Lennart(); 13:48 PmyX i'm here 13:49 PmyX to make you rewrite it in rust 13:49 PmyX and to make you deviate from the ills of C++ 13:50 PmyX why aren't all of you writing rust by now 13:51 xunto PmyX: because we would have to start from very begining 13:52 xunto I'm thinking about that but I doesn't have enough time now. 13:52 PmyX 3>I'm thinking about that 13:52 PmyX seriously? 13:52 xunto Yeah, why not? 13:52 xunto But not rust. I was thinking about go) 13:53 xunto C++ is crappy 13:53 PmyX you're the first person 13:53 PmyX on rizon 13:53 PmyX that i've met 13:54 PmyX who's coding c++ 13:54 PmyX and admitting to that 13:54 shamoanjac stfu PmyX 13:54 shamoanjac please rewrite Minetest in ANSI C 13:55 PmyX In a Nutshell, Minetest has had 6,755 commits made by 374 contributors representing 139,766 lines of code 13:56 shamoanjac tfw leaving France tomorrow 13:56 PmyX bit much to rewrite 13:56 shamoanjac I THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS SO EASY WITH RUST YET YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A LOT TO REWRITE 13:57 shamoanjac LOL @ PmyX AND HIS MEME LANGUAGE 13:57 Calinou why aren't all of you writing rust by now 13:57 Calinou |Because| {Syntax} (Isn't) {[As]} [[[[[((((Good))))]]]]] $As$ |it| ___Ought___ {To} "Be" 13:58 Calinou really ;_; I hate reading Rust code 13:58 shamoanjac just like Haskell then 13:58 shamoanjac Haskell is ugly, too 13:58 PmyX haskell is meme 13:58 xunto Haskell is just unusual) 14:00 PmyX a rewrite of any project (which has grown into shape instead of being written towards a clearly defined goal) is gonna be superior to the original, anyways 14:00 PmyX are there any problems with minetests codebase right now? 14:00 PmyX general problems 14:00 PmyX the modding api makes it seem a bit rigid in places 14:00 PmyX unflexible i mean 14:01 PmyX also, shamoanjac stfu, you can't even lua 14:04 shamoanjac stfu PmyX I'm a lua expert 14:05 shamoanjac also did I tell you what I do with your mom while you're playing dwarf fortress? 14:05 xunto Actually I was thinking more about similar project with same idea but without compatibility and etc It's more like new project that takes into account minetest's mistakes. 14:05 shamoanjac we both program in C 14:05 shamoanjac how does that make you feel? 14:05 shamoanjac imagine your mother, with me 14:05 shamoanjac casting pointers 14:05 shamoanjac manually allocating memory 14:06 shamoanjac and not freeing it 14:06 xunto shamoanjac: performing pointer arithmetics 14:06 shamoanjac so hot 14:06 shamoanjac yeah I bet PmyX feels bad thinking about it 14:07 xunto I'm slowly creating pointer to a function in your structure while making graphics on vulkan... 14:07 xunto M-m... 14:10 nosrick shamoanjac, got any crash logs to send my way? 14:11 PmyX 3>minetests mistakes 14:11 PmyX what would these be 14:11 shamoanjac no nosrick, I don't have access to logs 14:11 nosrick Ah, damn. I was hoping for some juice. 14:11 PmyX any github/forum discussions or so you could check out 14:12 shamoanjac btw I'll make a Stock Market mod 14:12 PmyX genius 14:12 shamoanjac is there any reasons Minecoin stacks are limited to 30,000? 14:14 PmyX xunto, from me experience from the few foss projects i've followed 14:14 PmyX they tended to die from the codebase growing messy and nobody new being willing anymore to deal with them 14:15 PmyX *my 14:17 PmyX s/die/stagnate/ 14:17 PmyX in the process of dying 14:18 shamoanjac you mean in all of them there was some random guy you are totally unrelated with who started spamming about a certain language 14:18 PmyX no 14:19 PmyX quite the opposite 14:19 shamoanjac yes, bc that guy was u 14:19 shamoanjac btfo 14:19 shamoanjac i found you 14:20 PmyX i'm talking about devs create something nice, get a following, then they mess their shit up and abandon it 14:20 PmyX people like me on the otherhand 14:20 PmyX are saving such projects 14:20 xunto Well, it's not about minetest 14:21 PmyX by proposing total rewrites 14:21 shamoanjac of course ur the savior xDDDDD 14:21 shamoanjac sorry mister jesus prrist 14:21 xunto It takes years to get your PR merged here :D 14:21 PmyX and consequently, because we're advocating the use of rust at the same time 14:21 PmyX we're saving computing as a whole 14:21 shamoanjac Moses + Abraham + Jesus + Muhammad 14:21 shamoanjac all in the same man 14:22 PmyX Muhammad was a pedophile 14:22 shamoanjac and that man is PmyX 14:22 xunto PmyX: Jesus too 14:22 PmyX was he 14:22 shamoanjac well then you are only Muhammed 14:22 xunto Or virgin 14:22 xunto I dunno 14:23 shamoanjac Muhammad dated Sadie4567 14:23 xunto I mean... He lived in time when it was okay. 14:23 xunto Marriage in age of 12-14 14:23 xunto An etc 14:23 shamoanjac iirc she was 9 14:23 shamoanjac according to some interpretations of the scriptures 14:24 PmyX excuse me 14:24 PmyX i'm busy now 14:24 Calinou dudes… 14:24 PmyX writing rust 14:24 PmyX or how you say: saving the world 14:27 resident rust more like trust 14:28 resident more like thrust 14:28 resident more like crust 14:28 shamoanjac btfo 14:28 shamoanjac whatchu gonna do now PmyX 14:28 resident yeah go write some macros nerd 14:28 shamoanjac now that u no that Rust = Thrust 14:28 xunto Do we have rap battle about her? 14:28 xunto *rap battle here? 14:29 shamoanjac I wish I could have a poetry battle about Her... 14:30 xunto shamoanjac: everyting is in your hands) 14:30 Vault_Le_Twin ... 14:30 resident )) 14:30 resident how to recognize a slav 14:30 resident no eyes in there smileys 14:31 xunto We have no eyes. 14:31 resident xaxa) 14:31 xunto Just eyebrows. 14:31 shamoanjac and Adidas gear 14:32 nosrick gopnik 14:33 xunto Comrades. 14:33 shamoanjac tfw no USSR 14:34 shamoanjac tfw no Khruschev 14:34 shamoanjac tfw no golden age 14:34 shamoanjac tfw no Honnecker 14:34 shamoanjac tfw no Ceaucescu 14:34 shamoanjac why live? 14:34 xunto Dunno... 14:35 xunto You made me sad, western comrade( 14:35 resident russians and ukrainians are the best internet users 14:35 shamoanjac 3>you will never flee the DDR via Hungary and Austria to reach your family in the BDR 14:35 nosrick But the worst Dota players 14:36 shamoanjac or was it DBR 14:36 shamoanjac Deutsche Bundesrepublik? 14:36 Calinou resident: yeah, where would Counter-Strike be without Russia and Ukraine… 14:37 resident fun fact: asian csgo players complain about filipinos like europeans complain about russians 14:37 nosrick PENOY PRIDE 14:39 xunto >(05:34:42 PM) shamoanjac: why live? 14:39 xunto I know! Atleast I have Crimea and Putin! 14:39 shamoanjac !!1! best president ever xaxaxa 14:39 resident )))))) 14:39 nosrick Putin? 14:39 xunto Lets drink! 14:39 nosrick More like 14:39 nosrick Cutin 14:40 resident more like putain 14:40 shamoanjac ebin French pun 14:41 xunto resident: Actually. We have history character named Rasputin. And it kinda means "putain". 14:41 xunto And it almost Putin! 14:44 shamoanjac Ra-ra-rasputin, lover of the Russian queen 14:45 xunto Yeah, but it's not proved. 14:45 xunto It's more like shiping 14:45 xunto :D 14:45 resident ey 14:45 resident you're not finish 14:46 xunto I'm Russian but I hope that you won't think with stereotypes) 14:47 resident fins usually do the :DDD smiley 14:47 resident MAHTAVAAA :DDD 14:48 xunto Such a research 14:48 resident it's how i make my money 14:49 Bekfast_La_Twin VAULT 14:49 resident germans always do -.- 14:49 Bekfast_La_Twin Hey 14:49 PmyX shamoanjac, 'crust' is actually a nameable rust project fyi 14:49 Bekfast_La_Twin Vaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuullllllllt 14:49 PmyX by maidsafe 14:49 Bekfast_La_Twin Dam it 14:49 PmyX maidsafe = the future of the internet 14:49 resident more like maidcafe 14:49 PmyX cryptocoin powered internet 14:50 shamoanjac ew 14:50 PmyX written in rust 14:50 PmyX that makes it future² 14:51 sfan5 shamoanjac: fyi both are wrong, it's BRD 14:52 shamoanjac shit sfan5 14:53 shamoanjac warum? 14:54 sfan5 BundesRepublik Deutschland 14:57 agaran Hello 14:57 shamoanjac yeah I guessed 14:58 shamoanjac why not Deutschlands? 14:58 resident https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUlzpr1ft0I 14:59 sfan5 !title 14:59 MinetestBot sfan5: Second Life Trolling: What Rape Looks Like - YouTube 15:01 shamoanjac the fuck is this lol 15:03 PmyX that first one 15:03 PmyX who claims to be 14 15:03 PmyX is likely 30 something, too 15:03 shamoanjac do you mean women lie about their age on the Internet, too? 15:03 PmyX i'm saying 15:04 PmyX SL is full of old people and pathological liars 15:04 shamoanjac lol 15:04 shamoanjac never played it 15:04 PmyX playing second life is like admitting you've failed your first one 15:05 shamoanjac why aren't you playing it then 15:05 shamoanjac LOL 15:10 resident FLIPPED 15:10 resident right on the cummy tummy 15:10 resident and spanked 15:15 segfault22 Okay I'm trying to compile the latest minetest from github, but cmake says it appears there is not any CMakeLists.txt in the directory - I checked and it is right there under /minetest/. wtf? 15:15 segfault22 the directory is /minetest/, I cd'd into it and then ran the cmake command 15:17 resident If you downloaded the Minetest Engine source code in which this file is 15:17 resident contained, you probably want to download the minetest_game project too: 15:17 resident https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/ 15:17 sfan5 nah it's not that 15:17 shamoanjac cmake ., right? 15:17 sfan5 you'll need to make sure to run "cmake ." 15:17 segfault22 yes 15:18 shamoanjac minetest didn't require a build/ directory, did it? 15:18 segfault22 what 15:18 sfan5 stuff like -DENABLE_REDIS=1 15:19 segfault22 dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest disagrees: the -D stuff comes after the . 15:19 segfault22 one of you is wrong 15:19 sfan5 it doesnt matter probably 15:20 segfault22 Then why am I getting this error 15:21 segfault22 I cd'd into the /minetest/ directory with all of the files including CMakeLists.txt, then run the "cmake . " command 15:21 resident readme says you need minetest_game 15:22 segfault22 I got it too 15:22 segfault22 "all of the files" 15:22 sfan5 can you pastebin what cmake saysß 15:22 sfan5 s/ß/?/ 15:22 segfault22 I don't have a pastebin account but I can write out the single error line it outputs 15:23 sfan5 you dont need a pastebin account wtf 15:23 resident who uses pastebin smh 15:23 shamoanjac pastebin is harmful botnet 15:24 resident dataminebin 15:25 segfault22 it says "CMake error: the source directory /media/usb8g/minetest does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt" 15:27 resident why not download the binary 15:27 sfan5_ linux is genuis 15:27 sfan5_ instead of killing python 15:27 sfan5_ it killed almost every other process on my vps 15:27 sfan5_ including nginx, znc and getty 15:28 segfault22 the binary? 15:28 resident did you run killall python 15:28 segfault22 It isn't available for my configuration 15:28 resident what distro are you on 15:28 segfault22 ubuntu server (cli mode only) 15:28 sfan5_ nah OOM killer 15:29 segfault22 I'm using a different system to communicate 15:29 sfan5 ... 15:29 resident what 15:30 resident trying to compute what you want to do 15:30 resident im overheating 15:30 segfault22 I am trying to compile a minetest server without client, certain cmake switches applied to make it better for cli mode only 15:30 resident o 15:30 sfan5 anyway 15:31 sfan5 segfault22: if CMake says that there is no CMakeLists.txt in there then there isn't one 15:31 segfault22 I looked, there is one, it's right there in /minetest/ at /minetest/CMakeLists.txt 15:31 Chinchou segfault22, probably a stupid question, but do you have permissions set properly on the file? 15:31 segfault22 sudo cmake? 15:32 sfan5 dont just run it as root if it doesnt work 15:32 segfault22 Why should I have to change the permissions set by the specific operations defined in the guide? 15:32 segfault22 It should be proper 15:33 resident did you maybe do sudo wget 15:33 segfault22 probably not 15:33 resident do ls -lisah 15:33 segfault22 The file and folder would have an X icon and would be un-writeable on the other system 15:33 resident and check ownership and permission 15:34 Chinchou segfault22, "ls -l" 15:34 resident ls -lisahvvvv 15:34 PmyX have u tried 15:34 PmyX sudo rm -rf / 15:34 segfault22 I do have another system with a GUI so I can just look at the GUI instead of trying to go through the terminal 15:35 PmyX ok 15:35 Chinchou At this point I would just "rm -r" the cloned directory and re-clone it. 15:35 agaran sfan5: well, OOM behavior is indeed a bit odd at times 15:35 resident try not cloning into /media 15:35 segfault22 it's stupid to try to trick people into doing something stupid like rm -rf /. Thankfully I'm not stupid 15:35 resident try cloning into home directory 15:36 resident instead 15:36 PmyX don't listen to Chinchou 15:36 PmyX he's trying to trick u 15:36 sfan5 aheinecke: odd? lmao, it basically went on a rampage and killed random stuff 15:36 PmyX segfault22, how about :(){ :|: & };: then 15:36 PmyX :(){ :|: & };: 15:36 PmyX try it 15:36 segfault22 PmyX I am ignoring you now because you're out of bounds 15:36 PmyX shit 15:37 sfan5 out of bounds? 15:37 sfan5 have you tried using a larger integer 15:37 segfault22 where? 15:37 resident try yes $(yes $(yes)) 15:37 resident that should do the trick 15:37 segfault22 That was a joke... 15:37 aheinecke sfan5: ^ I think you meant to ping agaran ;-) 15:37 segfault22 nevermind, I'll figure it out on my own like I usually do 15:37 sfan5 oh yes sorry 15:37 PmyX btw 15:37 PmyX i never got a segfault again since i switched to rust 15:38 PmyX never 15:38 PmyX in 6 months 15:38 sfan5 agaran: ok seems like the problem was that *every* process had an OOM score of 0 15:38 resident why would you to begin with 15:38 resident you get segfaults if you don't understand pointer arithmetic 15:38 sfan5 compare: 15:38 sfan5 [13400101.516581] Out of memory in UB 11515: OOM killed process 11673 (sh) score 0 vm:8kB, rss:4kB, swap:0kB 15:38 sfan5 [13400101.617441] Out of memory in UB 11515: OOM killed process 11586 (python3) score 0 vm:1530068kB, rss:975848kB, swap:532608kB 15:38 sfan5 both have a score of 0 15:38 sfan5 wat 15:38 sfan5 （╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 15:39 Chinchou sfan5, I no longer have tables or I'd be flipping one right now 15:40 agaran sfan5: sounds 'fun' well last time we had OOM was 88G taken by one process.. 15:40 sfan5 segfault22: run "pwd;ls -la;stat CMakeList.txt" and put that on a pastebin 15:41 sfan5 agaran: yes very fun, i don't have 88GB to spare however 15:41 agaran sfan5: machine had 128, so managed.. 15:42 agaran sfan5: but how python took that much? memleak or bad code? (in 88G case was memleak) 15:42 sfan5 uhh 15:42 sfan5 horrible code 15:43 sfan5 basically i tried to parse & store 4800000 log entries with python 15:43 agaran not that good code leads to memleaks.. 15:43 segfault22 I downloaded the files from a machine with a different username than the machine on which I was trying to run cmake. Thus the permissions were not off level, just incorrect. So now I have to git clone at the machine where it will be compiled, which requires adding the device to fstab so it is automatically mounted and mountable by non-superusers 15:43 agaran you can adj /proc/$$/oom_* probably 15:43 Chinchou segfault22, "chown -r " 15:50 Passant hi there, i tried to use a tree schematic file in a different mod, so the id's have to be updated in the file. if i do this it breaks the schem (the tree just wont grow anymore). is there another way to edit the mts properbly? 15:50 Passant (another way than edit it with vim) 15:50 sfan5 if you're careful you can edit the file in a hex editor 15:50 sfan5 otherwise just place the schematic in a world 15:51 sfan5 change the nodes 15:51 sfan5 and then save it again 15:51 Chinchou Also, segfault22, you don't necessarily need to add the device to fstab - you can mount as root, chown the mount directory, and write to it as a normal user. I'll admit that it is a bulky solution, though. 15:52 Passant sfan5: thanks, i will try :) 15:53 Passant ah, nice to know, vim actually has a hex mode 15:53 Chinchou Agh, is MGv7 just CPU-intensive, or is it the collection of mods I'm using? 15:54 sfan5 Passant: "if you're careful" implies that you understand the binary format btw 15:54 Chinchou CPU use spikes to 80% when generating chunks... 15:55 Chinchou I didn't see this when I was using MGv6. 15:55 agaran I only used v6 so far.. 15:55 Chinchou (I was also using older copies of the mods.) 15:56 Chinchou I'm using Ethereal-ng. A post in the thread claimed that it is incompatible with MGv6... The lack of any signs of Ethereal when using v6 seemed to support this. 15:57 Chinchou So, I tried v7, but holy hells, my poor CPU... 15:57 Passant sfan5: i filled the empty spaces caused by the different modname with dots, was that wrong? minetest says invalid schematic file now.. 15:58 sfan5 yes that's not how you're supposed to do it 15:58 Passant hm. i see 16:00 Passant also i just saw that the changes are undone when i exit the hex mode in vim >_> 16:04 Passant aaah, a workaround are aliases :P 16:05 isabelmiro i have dug a hole now what do i do? 16:06 agaran some of us permanently are digging holes;) 16:06 shamoanjac we all are dwarves digging holes in the coal mines that are our lives 16:06 shamoanjac Find more in #poetry 16:07 isabelmiro Do you have any beginners instructions? 16:07 agaran isabelmiro: what you need help with? you dig to get resources usually, or to have room to build underground.. 16:08 isabelmiro Really basic help about how to move about and do things. Have never played before. 16:09 shamoanjac Isabel, have you played games like Minetest before? 16:09 agaran isabelmiro: asdw, for movement, right and left mouse button one digs, other places currently selected node, 1-8 or mouse wheel change current node from list you see on bottom of screen 16:09 agaran isabelmiro: you play on your server or some public? 16:10 isabelmiro no, someone else's computer. Standalone. 16:11 agaran isabelmiro: i gives you inventory, so you can swap what items/blocks you have available directly (topmost row of inventory) 16:11 agaran also there you can make things, putting like coal and stick gives you torch, putting chopped tree trunk piece makes wood plans, then they make stick etc.. 16:14 agaran isabelmiro: if thats not enough just let me know, I'll try explain more detailed 16:17 Chinchou It might be good to point out the Tutorial mod/subgame/map to newbies like that. 16:17 agaran I have no clue about such.. 16:22 Chinchou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=10192 16:22 Chinchou ^ Tutorial 16:22 Chinchou Very useful - I used it myself when I started. Very well-done, in my opinion. 16:31 agaran Hi IhrFussel 16:36 IhrFussel agaran, hello there =) 16:37 agaran IhrFussel: found one issue with /hpm, it still shows >>>>> foobar <<<< kind of messages.. 16:42 IhrFussel You mean /me output yes...I can fix that 16:43 agaran is this mod available somewhere? 16:45 agaran IhrFussel: so far it is best fixup ever.. :) 16:46 segfault22 I got it to compile. thank-you for the help sfan5 16:47 IhrFussel agaran, do you mean me about mod available? 16:47 Calinou !server Calinou 16:47 MinetestBot Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 21/32, 24/31 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms 16:47 agaran IhrFussel: yes 16:47 Calinou what… 21 players 16:47 Calinou and I reached 31 apparently 16:47 agaran Calinou: lots of ppl, :) 16:47 segfault22 I don't know if it works right, but it finished compiling and put out a program launcher file thing 16:47 Calinou ok, someone is called Calinow on it… 16:47 Calinou time for a ban 16:48 segfault22 lol 16:48 segfault22 are you sure they are trying to impersonate you, or are you just guessing 16:48 segfault22 it's kinda obvious w is not u 16:49 IhrFussel It's part of a mod called "own_commands" that I created..I could extract the hpm/spm parts and post them on pastebin 16:49 Calinou segfault22: I have no sympathy for people taking other people's usernames… 16:50 segfault22 are you sure they are "taking other people's usernames" 16:50 Calinou yes 16:50 agaran IhrFussel: I don't want to make additional work.. 16:50 Calinou if my username was Killer, maybe I'd have accepted them 16:50 Calinou :P 16:52 segfault22 What if you're wrong- oh yeah, you've got those other 20 players to keep you company, so no problem there 16:53 segfault22 as long as they are all "cool" enough, they'll keep coming back because nowhere else is good enough 16:54 eliotJ Hi all. I'm new here :) 16:55 eliotJ I want to download minetest for my kids... And I have two questions: 16:56 eliotJ 1. Can Minetest work ok in offline mode ? 16:56 agaran 1= yes 16:56 IhrFussel agaran, nothing special just uses files...you need to create a "chatm" folder inside the world folder to use it http://pastebin.com/gtBGujJW 16:57 Krock eliotJ, the multiplayer mode will stop working offline 16:57 agaran IhrFussel: superb, so I can extend it a little.. 16:57 Krock (unless you play in your own network) 16:58 eliotJ Krock: I supposed this :) 16:58 eliotJ 2. Does it's possible to play without any violence ??? 16:58 Krock yes, turn off damage 16:59 Krock checkbox on the left side of your singleplayer mode tab 16:59 Krock but you can't change it for servers (logical) 17:00 agaran eliotJ: you can run local server for lan if you have 2 computers, and turn off damage there as well.. 17:01 eliotJ Krock: What does it's exactly "damege" ? Does it's described somewhere exactly ? 17:01 eliotJ Krock: I don't want wars, zombie or other monsters... 17:01 agaran IhrFussel: it maybe be handy to have chatm dir in ramdisk.. 17:01 Krock eliotJ, damage off disables your health bar ingame and nothing and nobody can hurt you 17:01 NoNamesLeft Hey guys, I'm having a lot of trouble instaloing server mods. I installed the server from apt-get but all the files and folders are all over the place, literally nothing matches up with the wiki. I've just about got a server running, but now I can't get any mods to work. I've had a look in my home folder and there's nothing there, but the world is in /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/worlds/world. I've made a 17:01 NoNamesLeft worldmods folder and dumped the mod folder in there and it doesn;t work. I've also mode a /mods/ folder and tried editing the world.mt but that doesn't work either 17:01 agaran eliotJ: zombie and monsters are optional.. 17:01 Calinou eliotJ: Minetest has no such things out of the box 17:02 NoNamesLeft I'm not sure what else to do now 17:02 Krock there are no mobs in vanilla minetest, you'd have to add them manually 17:02 Chinchou Calinou, I was using "Chinchou" for about a year before discovering MT. Yet, by your claims, I'm "taking someone's name" because there's a "Chinchow" on the forum. You're on a very slippery slope there. 17:02 NoNamesLeft Of course. that's my question, Krock 17:02 Krock (vanilla = unmodded minetest game) 17:02 NoNamesLeft Unless you're not talking to me, haha 17:02 Calinou NoNamesLeft: $HOME/.minetest/mods is where you should put mods 17:03 Calinou Chinchou: I thought you were Chinchow :P 17:03 Krock NoNamesLeft, do you think I can read your test so fast? 17:03 Chinchou =~= 17:03 NoNamesLeft Right, is it normal that that folder should be empty 17:03 eliotJ Krock, agaran, Calinou Thx :) 17:03 Calinou NoNamesLeft: usually you create it 17:03 agaran Chinchou: on debian there is /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods for mods (for server instance) 17:03 agaran but you need to make it readable by games.. 17:03 NoNamesLeft agaran, I created that-- ah 17:04 NoNamesLeft chmod, agaran ? 17:04 Chinchou agaran, you pinged the wrong username. 17:04 agaran yep, chmod .games -R 17:04 agaran Chinchou: ah, sorry :) 17:04 agaran just give path, not just above command 17:04 eliotJ But in Minetest (out of the box version) is a possible fight / battle against other players in online mode ? But swords for example... 17:04 eliotJ *does 17:05 agaran eliotJ: if you disable damage then you can swing sword.. whole eternity doing nothing.. 17:05 agaran you can disable pvp too in config 17:05 Calinou PvP is enabled by default, some servers disable it 17:05 NoNamesLeft agaran, chmod: invalid mode: '.games' 17:05 agaran and if you don't add mobs, and disable damage, nothing can harm players I think.. 17:05 Calinou if damage is diabled, then PvP is also disabled 17:05 NoNamesLeft should I just 777 it? 17:05 eliotJ agaran: pvp ??? 17:06 agaran NoNamesLeft: oh, well I have .games on my debian 17:06 agaran eliotJ: player vs player 17:06 Megaf This is new to me. 17:06 NoNamesLeft yeah I'm on an older verson, I'm just too lazy to update and it doesn't host anything of value or sensitive data 17:06 agaran NoNamesLeft: chown .games /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods/travelnet/ 17:06 Calinou NoNamesLeft: maybe build Minetest from source… 17:06 Calinou it's more recent that way 17:06 agaran NoNamesLeft: then check at what uid minetest server is running, and adjust to that 17:07 agaran debian 8 has 0.4.14 stable.. 17:07 NoNamesLeft agaran, ran that command on the mods folder 17:07 Calinou -dev versions are better :P 17:07 NoNamesLeft yeah, I mean my version of debian 17:07 Chinchou (Calinou, I'm "Chinchou" after the Pokemon) 17:07 NoNamesLeft and possibly chmod 17:08 Chinchou (So you can see how similar names can and do spring up all the time. Point is, be cautious, don't assume.) 17:08 agaran NoNamesLeft: hmm then check at which uid/gid server is working and just use that, owner may be root/whatever, gid of group you want and 750 for dirs, 640 for files, or just 755/644 regardless of owner/group 17:08 Calinou Chinchou: considering most of the Minetest userbase is like 10, and doesn't know how to use the chat… 17:08 Calinou :/ 17:08 eliotJ agaran: Attaking by sword which doesn't do any harm to other play can be even worse lesson for child ;) 17:08 eliotJ *player 17:08 eliotJ agaran: Imho 17:09 agaran so find /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods/ -type f -print0|xargs -0 chmod 644 17:09 Chinchou agaran, 0.4.14 in Debian Jessia is only in backports right now. 17:09 agaran and find /var/games/minetest-server/.minetest/mods/ -type d -print0|xargs -0 chmod 755 17:09 agaran Chinchou: yep 17:09 sfan5 agaran: chmod -R is a thing btw 17:09 NoNamesLeft agaran, I have to run it as sudo anyway, it won't start otherway 17:09 NoNamesLeft he suggested that earlier 17:09 Chinchou Most will end up installing 0.4.10, because backports is not enabled by default. 17:09 agaran NoNamesLeft: odd, here it works as user.. 17:10 agaran Chinchou: my bad, I couldn't live without bpo 17:10 NoNamesLeft it just spits out an error for me 17:10 NoNamesLeft let me see 17:10 Chinchou agaran, aye, I always enable bpo as well. 17:10 NoNamesLeft what(): Failed to open log file /var/log/minetest/minetest.log: Permission denied 17:10 Calinou Debian: stability first, sane defaults second. 17:10 Calinou :P 17:11 Chinchou Eh. 17:11 Chinchou It isn't that bad. Out-of-date packages in the repo can be annoying, but building from source is easy enough. 17:11 agaran NoNamesLeft: thats easy to fix, chown that file to minetest user and try again 17:12 Chinchou (Usually. Don't get me started on nouveau.) 17:12 Calinou have fun building GCC or Chromium from source 17:12 Chinchou Calinou, I did say "Usually". =w=; 17:12 agaran Calinou: I build gcc dozen of times, including crossgcc.. but I don't recommend it to anyone as daily routine indeed.. 17:13 NoNamesLeft Well, running the server as root after running those find commands still doesn't return anything when /mods is listed 17:13 NoNamesLeft I'll check the world.md 17:13 Calinou load_mod_modname = true 17:13 Calinou is what you should write 17:13 agaran NoNamesLeft: hmm.. you have to enable them *after* server can see them... 17:13 Calinou (obviously, modname is the mod name) 17:13 Calinou don't do that while server is started 17:13 agaran and don't run MT as root.. 17:14 NoNamesLeft I don't know what the modname is, is it the folder name>? 17:14 NoNamesLeft worldedit for example 17:14 NoNamesLeft the folder is called Minetest-WorldEdit-1.0 17:14 sfan5 Calinou: building gcc is easy 17:14 Calinou load_mod_worldedit = true 17:14 Chinchou You really should rename that to "worldedit". 17:14 agaran if you run server with new mods, then stop it adds necesary lines with =false in my case.. then I edit them to =true 17:14 Calinou it's a modpack, it can be named however he wants :) 17:15 Chinchou Ah right. 17:15 sfan5 Calinou: also you need to enable more than just "worldedit" 17:15 Calinou yes 17:15 Chinchou Still good advice - most mods will throw strange errors when the directory is misnamed. 17:16 agaran all picks differ in uses and how hard material they can crush, but each use wears always one unit of their durability? 17:17 NoNamesLeft It's still not seeing it 17:17 NoNamesLeft hm 17:18 NoNamesLeft let me check ownerships 17:19 NoNamesLeft Hm, even after chowning the log file it still says permission denies 17:19 NoNamesLeft oh, wrong path 17:19 NoNamesLeft durrr 17:19 Krock HURR DURR 17:20 NoNamesLeft Still not picking anything up 17:20 NoNamesLeft at a dead end here 17:20 NoNamesLeft It still ahsn't written anything to world.mt 17:20 NoNamesLeft I started and stopped the server like 3 times 17:21 NoNamesLeft I'm starving so I'm gonna get some food, back later 17:21 agaran NoNamesLeft: have good meal 17:21 agaran Krock: sword adds up to armor rating? 17:21 Krock agaran, haven't heard of that yet. does it? 17:22 agaran dunno I have no sword on me at moment was curious what I can put in last slot in armor page 17:24 agaran Krock: btw if you need fuel.. I have some spare oil extract.. 17:25 Krock agaran, oh thanks for the offer but sadly I can't play today. Maybe later ;) 17:25 agaran Krock: not saying now :) just let me know if you need 17:32 eliotJ agaran: My kid play earlier in the ManicDigger many, many hours... Does it's possible to import worlds from ManicDigger to Minetest ? 17:32 agaran I have no clue, but I doubt.. 17:32 eliotJ agaran: ok. 17:33 Krock there are so freaking damn many ways to save data - each game would need its own to-Minetest converter 17:38 eliotJ In offline mode do there are npc ? 17:38 agaran eliotJ: can be if you add mods.. normally there are no npc's 17:40 eliotJ agaran: Or even does it's possible turn off sword completly in game, some mods or config or even modification in under the trunk ? 17:40 agaran eliotJ: yes 17:40 agaran eliotJ: you simply need to remove crafting recipe for it and eventually also node definition and it is permanently eradicated 17:41 agaran you have minetest game in games, you can copy it, then change it in copy and just run server using that new one.. and it is done and even if you upgrade it will stay same 17:46 segfault22 still not sure what direction in which I should take the development of my resources-mod, except up of course 17:47 segfault22 maybe I should just patch up an older incomplete version that was working nicely for the most part, and release it, then release the massively redone version shortly thereafter 17:48 segfault22 the mod won't really replace moreores and similar mods, but it will make it obsolete for just about all serious minetest servers based on a latest version 17:49 segfault22 people who don't use the API will be missing out on a lot, because they will have to minetest.register_* lots of stuff the hard way, instead of letting some other mod handle it flawlessly 17:51 segfault22 server owners will love it because they will be able to add or remove any material at any time, and fine-tune all of the properties of any material and all items/nodes/tools based on the material by just changing one or a few lines 17:51 segfault22 well, at any time the server is not online, because you can't minetest.register_* after the game is initiated 17:52 eliotJ agaran: Eeee... "remove crafting recipe", "node definition"... Do these are in the some folders ? 17:52 agaran eliotJ: yes, do you want to find me and tell you more exact explanations? 17:53 eliotJ agaran: Would be awsome :) 17:53 agaran what operating system you use? 17:53 eliotJ win xp 17:53 eliotJ or Android 17:53 eliotJ on the tblet 17:54 agaran so winxp, then you have folder 'games' inside minetest directory, right? 17:54 eliotJ But... 17:54 eliotJ My kids have Win Vista 17:54 eliotJ sorry 17:54 agaran does not matter 17:54 eliotJ I missunderstand you 17:54 agaran on linux there is 'grep' ;) on win not really 17:54 eliotJ ok 17:55 agaran so inside games directory there is minetest_game, this is base set of mods defining default world 17:56 agaran then inside mods dir there, you have 'default' mod, and it contains sword defs etc, 17:56 agaran among other needed things so we just remove swords leaving rest 17:57 eliotJ agaran: Does it's all ? 17:58 agaran no.. you need edit few files but I wanted to know if you found that first 17:58 Nosrick Why would checking if player.is_player is valid cause a crash? 17:58 eliotJ agaran: Uuuu... I don't download Minetest yet... Give me a moment I will download it now... 17:59 agaran eliotJ: there are axes which can be used for harming too but they are needed to chop trees.. okay, take your time 18:00 eliotJ agaran: Unpacking now :) 18:04 eliotJ agaran: Hmmm... I don't see sword in these path what you described above... 18:04 eliotJ agaran: sword.lua <- does I need to find ? 18:04 agaran there is aliases.lua in default there are aliases, we may remove them for completness (few containing sword in line, you can delete line or simply add two - before it, that means comment it) 18:05 agaran then default/crafting.lua which has 'recipe' to make few kinds of swords (wodden, stone, steel, mese etc..) also comment whole minetest.register_.. () for swords.. you can do that or you need more detailed help? 18:05 agaran then default/tools.lua where actual swords are defined again -- to comment them out 18:07 eliotJ agaran: Should I adding two lines before these part of lua and also after ? 18:08 agaran there is minetest.register_craft({.... sword...}) so comment whole block to }) 18:08 eliotJ I mean lua code 18:08 agaran same for minetest.register_node({..sword..}) 18:11 eliotJ agaran: Hmmm... Maybe you will do fast edit of these files (adding comment) and upload it somewhere and I will use yours modified files on my kids PC ? 18:11 eliotJ agaran: I suppose this will be faster way ;) 18:12 agaran bbut less learning ;) 18:12 agaran sure, I can try at least 18:12 eliotJ agaran: I will do compare content for learning :) 18:14 eliotJ Btw. I think all these tips can be some cool idea for some article or part of documentation for other parents who want gives Minetest for their kids, but don't want violence at all :) 18:18 agaran eliotJ: http://pastebin.com/hGRk2epV http://pastebin.com/hCW27Rzx 18:22 MinetestBot 02[git] 04xunto -> 03minetest/minetest: Move on join and on leave messages to lua (#4460) 130b0075e https://git.io/v6SGJ (152016-08-22T20:21:48+02:00) 18:23 eliotJ agaran: Ok. Thanks so much :). Now download these 2 codes, saves to correct files and that is all ? 18:23 agaran yep, I think so, you can test yourself (turning on creative mode) if any sword can be found 18:24 eliotJ agaran: Creative mode <- aoes it's while playing game, right ? 18:25 eliotJ *does 18:25 agaran if you enable 'creative mode' checkbox in singleplayer then you get all items accessible without need to make them.. 18:25 agaran there is big list on side of inventory window, there should be no sword available 18:25 agaran other items, hoe, axe, pickaxe will be but they are needed to dig stone, chop trees etc.. 18:26 agaran you can remove all those and turn on creative mode as well it depends what you want to do.. 18:27 eliotJ agaran: oooo... I see 18:28 eliotJ agaran: Thank you so much again... :) 18:28 agaran yw 18:28 eliotJ I have 3 kids... One is a newborn ;) 18:29 eliotJ And I like to give thay some creative games 18:29 agaran sounds logical.. 18:31 eliotJ Ok. Time to supper with family... I will be back later 18:32 agaran have good meal 18:32 eliotJ agaran: :) 18:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Client: disable pre v25 init sending by default 13d767f02 https://git.io/v6SZx (152016-08-22T20:23:28+02:00) 18:34 NoNamesLeft Hey again, still not figured it 18:34 NoNamesLeft Tried taking ownership of /var/games/minetest-server 18:35 octacian uhm, why are u using minetest-server? 18:35 agaran well, what linux you have, you compiled all that yourself? 18:36 agaran well you have debian, my bad 18:36 agaran need to wake up.. or maybe not 18:36 NoNamesLeft octacian, because that's where the world got placed 18:36 NoNamesLeft and I'm hosting a server 18:36 NoNamesLeft I got it from apt-get 18:36 octacian All u have to do is compile minetest. It has the server built in. minetest --server --world etc... 18:36 octacian there is no need for minetest-server 18:36 NoNamesLeft I just grabbed minetest-server from aptitude 18:37 octacian minetest --server has identical functionality, without the need for extra packages. 18:37 NoNamesLeft But I suppose I'll try that since I cannot get it to even recognise mods 18:39 agaran NoNamesLeft: my game stuff has group set to games, and this simply works.. 18:39 NoNamesLeft yeah I have files and folders everywhere 18:40 octacian group set to games? what did you do? :P 18:40 Nosrick Grump grump, I might write my own API for everything. 18:40 NoNamesLeft the executable is in /usr/games/ 18:40 agaran octacian: chown -R .games ? 18:40 octacian ok.. That is weird 18:40 agaran NoNamesLeft: that is irrelevant actually it may be /my/personal/little/moon as well 18:40 octacian fyi, chown doesn't work like that 18:41 octacian chown