IRC log for #minetest, 2016-08-09

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01:58	Jellonator	Hey, I'm trying to set a bone's position on my model, but every time I do so, it flips upsidedown
02:10	Jellonator	And for some reason it seems like the normals are inverted too
02:11	thePalindrome	In minetest?
02:11	DonBatman	Jellonator More info needed please
02:12	Jellonator	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8733 ah I found it on the forums
02:12	Jellonator	Doesn't provide a fix though
02:14	Jellonator	Buf if I call `self.object:set_bone_position("foo", {x=0,y=0,z=0},{x=0,y=0,z=45});`, then the whole model flips scales by -1, and it doesn't even rotate the model at all despite having a 'foo' bone
02:14	Hijiri	Jellonator: there's no indication that the bug was ever fixed
02:15	Jellonator	Yeah, I saw that part :(
02:16	Hijiri	I don't know much about modeling, but b3d has bones too, right?
02:16	Hijiri	the github issue only mentions .x models
02:16	Hijiri	maybe it works in b3d models? I don't know though
02:16	Jellonator	I assume once it's been loaded it's all the same, I could definitely be wrong though
02:16	Jellonator	And I was trying .b3d too, but I never got that to work either
02:17	Hijiri	you got the same bone bugs with .b3dd?
02:17	Jellonator	No, I just never got the armature to work
02:19	Hijiri	This topic suggests that b3d has some of the same problems: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14257
02:19	Hijiri	that is about attached objects though]
02:20	Hijiri	also what is an armature?
02:21	Hijiri	there is also some discussion in the github issue saying that b3d doesn't have someo f the issues of x format
02:21	Hijiri	so maybe it would help (?)
02:21	Jellonator	armature is a collection of bones
02:21	thePalindrome	iirc I use obj files
02:21	thePalindrome	lemme check
02:21	Hijiri	thePalindrome: do they have any issues with setting bone position?
02:22	Jellonator	obj doesn't have bones, it's a static model
02:23	thePalindrome	Good point
02:23	thePalindrome	It might be irrlicht
02:34	Jellonator	Eh, I guess it's not important, it's just animation
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03:06	MinetestBot	[git] tenplus1 -> minetest/minetest_game: Add labels to ABMs 619ac52 https://git.io/v6nIm (2016-08-09T03:56:37+01:00)
03:06	MinetestBot	[git] DonBatman -> minetest/minetest_game: Changed snow nodebox to 'walkable = false' 61a197f https://git.io/v6nIY (2016-08-09T03:51:22+01:00)
03:06	MinetestBot	[git] tenplus1 -> minetest/minetest_game: Tnt: Limit blown up dropped stacks to stack_max 14b99a7 https://git.io/v6nIO (2016-08-09T03:48:01+01:00)
03:06	MinetestBot	[git] t4im -> minetest/minetest_game: Use minetest instead of core namespace, discourage via luacheck 7621162 https://git.io/v6nI3 (2016-08-09T03:47:27+01:00)
03:06	MinetestBot	[git] t4im -> minetest/minetest_game: Let Travis-CI automatically run luacheck on the game b408e9c https://git.io/v6nIs (2016-08-09T03:47:11+01:00)
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03:13	Hijiri	I wonder how good of an abstraction a literal entity component system would be as a mod framework
03:14	Hijiri	they would be like mini entities that live inside the entity, but share the same body
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03:29	XtremeHacker_	Hey OldCoder, heard you were good for Blender help, I was wondering if you knew of a "noob" animating guide, I can make models, I just can't figure out how to make animations, via bones.
03:30	swift110-phone	hey all
03:30	XtremeHacker_	Hi
03:31	swift110-phone	how are you
03:36	DonBatman	XtremeHacker this might help - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-uTdq9t8wyzw6xDPaVeXrx75vmErgXmZ
03:38	XtremeHacker_	Thanks Don, and I'm doing good @swift.
03:39	XtremeHacker_	Got to go, bye.
03:39	XtremeHacker_	And thanks
03:39	DonBatman	Bye
03:48	OldCoder	XtremeHacker, Hi
03:49	OldCoder	XtremeHacker, speak with me tomorrow or later tonight; but as Don points out there are YT videos
03:49	swift110-phone	hey oldcoder
03:49	OldCoder	The trick
03:49	OldCoder	Hi
03:49	OldCoder	is to start with the right version of Blender
03:49	OldCoder	Ask NathanS about that
03:49	OldCoder	Then to find YT videos that match that release
03:49	OldCoder	I think newer releases of Blender don't work with the plugin
03:49	OldCoder	That imports MT models
03:50	OldCoder	They can probably export stuff done from scratch OK; need to check this
03:50	OldCoder	XtremeHacker, ^
04:04	swift110-phone	what are you using blender for?
04:05	thePalindrome	3d rigs
04:11	swift110-phone	what do you mean like what are you trying to do
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04:39	swift110-phone	ok
04:39	swift110-phone	must be busy
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04:57	redblade	hi
04:57	redblade	i'm trying to report an illegal minetest copy but...how the heck do i create a new folder in github?
04:59	swift110-phone	how can a copy of minetest be illega
04:59	redblade	because it's called "minecraft"
04:59	redblade	and is adware
05:00	swift110-phone	oh i see
05:00	redblade	or is there a way to rename the folder Evil_Craft
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05:03	swift110-phone	lol
05:07	redblade	i got a fork and can't rename or create a folder
05:07	redblade	the instructions don't say how
05:07	redblade	https://github.com/redblade7/Minetest_Copy_Report/tree/%22redblade7%22%22Minecraft-(counterfeit)-(unconfirmed)%22/OFFENDERS/Evil_Craft%20%5Bexample%5D
05:08	swift110-phone	ok
05:09	redblade	here are the instructions
05:09	redblade	https://github.com/azekillDIABLO/Minetest_Copy_Report
05:09	redblade	this is the information i want to put in it
05:09	redblade	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14560
05:12	swift110-phone	ok
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05:20	redblade	i'll bbl please tell me when i get back
05:28	shangul	is it possible to run server on an android dev and then play over wifi?
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06:00	thePalindrome	Uhhh... Probably?
06:00	* thePalindrome	sleeps
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06:46	redblade	i'm going to bed too i  think, goodnight
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06:50	Alison	Hello
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07:45	shangul	Alison, hi
07:45	shangul	lol
07:46	shangul	its noon and u r going to sleep?!
07:46	shangul	it seems u r on the other side of earth
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07:59	rom1504	so?
08:00	shangul	???
08:00	rom1504	he might well be on the other side of the earth
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08:30	Passant	hi there, can i make minetest show in which mod exactly this issue is? Field "height_min": Deprecated: new name is "y_min".
08:31	Passant	(or did someone solved this already and know from which mod this potencially comes from?)
08:52	Krock	Calinou, "The latest development versions of Minetest no longer have the version watermark in the upper-left corner." true but it's visible in the title ;)
08:56	Hijiri	Passant: do you know how to use grep?
08:57	Hijiri	and are you on a system that has grep
08:57	Krock	Passant, put this code http://pastebin.com/96utR9fs into builtin/game/register.lua at the very bottom
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08:57	Krock	(untested)
08:58	Krock	or use grep, that's a good idea too
08:58	Passant	Krock: yes, i know about grep :)
08:59	Passant	print("Deprecated param in mod: "..(core.get_current_modname() or "unknown")) ... i see - wouldn't an improvement for the official minetest?
09:00	Passant	*wouldn't it
09:01	Out`Of`Control	Hi
09:01	Out`Of`Control	is there a mod that auto kick/ban flood?
09:02	shangul	hello
09:02	Passant	out of control want control :D
09:02	Out`Of`Control	yeah
09:02	Out`Of`Control	or limit max chars send
09:03	Passant	so saw something like that...but what was it's name ...
09:05	Out`Of`Control	Passant: btw homedecore modpack has that height_min/max it was fixed recent
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09:06	Out`Of`Control	in your mod folder# grep -r -H "height_min"
09:06	Passant	aah, so grep meant something like cat *.lua |grep height_min is see
09:06	Passant	well, this is something i should know by my self >.< hehe, thanks for the hint
09:07	Passant	but because your request, i guess VanessaE was a contributor of the mod... but i just ... dont .. find it again
09:09	Out`Of`Control	https://github.com/minetest-mods
09:10	Passant	Out`Of`Control: there was something else, but this might also helpful for you https://github.com/DonBatman/myadmin
09:14	Out`Of`Control	thanks
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09:21	JamesTait	Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Book Lovers' Day! 😃  ðŸ•®
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09:48	Krock	Passant, yes but I wasn't sure if you're on Winblows or Loonix
09:51	Out`Of`Control	Krock: hey,  do you know any mod that block chat flood?
09:51	Out`Of`Control	or autokick flooder
09:51	Krock	chatplus?
09:52	Krock	not sure
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09:52	Krock	I'm not a server owner (anymore) thus this doesn't really overlap with the mods I use
09:52	Out`Of`Control	they add many lines of text + empty space, so it looks as other player wrote it
09:52	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  ok
09:54	Krock	would be easy to push some keywords through the search engine if hostinger wasn't so slow today
09:55	Out`Of`Control	i have look into chatplus don't see any flood protection
09:57	Krock	1 moment.. writing a mod for that
09:58	Out`Of`Control	:)
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09:59	Nosrick	Hey folks
09:59	shangul	hi
09:59	Darkside_	hi
10:00	Out`Of`Control	hi
10:00	Nosrick	Wow, lots of people around today.
10:00	shangul	nahi
10:01	shangul	im away
10:06	aix	same
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10:15	Calinou	<rubenwardy> and also compile time type checking
10:16	Calinou	use TypeScript then :p
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10:16	shangul	Calinou, what is ur job?
10:18	Calinou	student?
10:18	shangul	not real life...
10:22	shangul	i didnt mean real life
10:22	Krock	Out`Of`Control, http://pastebin.com/i3VX5Qjq
10:23	Krock	disclaimer: it's untested
10:24	Krock	it will trim messages like "                  " to "     "
10:25	Krock	and so on
10:25	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  thanks
10:25	Krock	np
10:25	Out`Of`Control	"max_names_per_ip = X" does not work in 0.4.14 ?
10:25	Krock	names_per_ip works fine
10:27	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  thank you will test in a min on test server
10:42	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  looks as it works great, but need more testing
10:42	Krock	\o/
10:43	Krock	but it also would kick admins :3
10:43	shangul	lol
10:43	Out`Of`Control	Krock: i flood as much ican did not kick
10:44	Out`Of`Control	what to test?
10:44	Out`Of`Control	want
10:44	Krock	then paste the contents of a file
10:44	Krock	that's really spammy
10:44	shangul	lol
10:45	Out`Of`Control	thats what i did, i paste 5 lines of random text at once
10:47	Krock	it will kick with 8 lines
10:47	Krock	>= 8
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10:47	Out`Of`Control	i paste 14 lines got no warning or kick
10:48	Out`Of`Control	odd, min a go blocked 5 lines of flood
10:48	Krock	err.. are you sure that the mod is running?
10:48	Out`Of`Control	yes as it worked min a go, did not restart
10:49	Krock	where are you testing this?
10:49	Megaf	anyone else here with such a little delay on ones ssh remote server connection that one can't tell it's connected to a remote server?
10:49	Megaf	Hi everybody
10:49	Megaf	Really, there's no delay at all from the moment I press a key and I see it on the ssh terminal
10:49	shangul	hi
10:49	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  mt.rbose.org port 30003
10:50	shangul	it was 30000
10:50	Krock	hi Megaf
10:50	Out`Of`Control	hi Megaf
10:50	Out`Of`Control	shangul: its a test server
10:51	shangul	30003 is for testing?
10:52	Krock	you've got some mods there.. 500 MB ram used
10:52	shangul	do u play on 30000 too?
10:52	Megaf	Krock: Oo
10:52	Krock	700 now
10:52	Out`Of`Control	shangul:  i wont flood main server
10:52	Megaf	OO
10:52	* Krock	closes firefox to free some memory
10:53	Out`Of`Control	oh yeah many mods, i can disable them
10:53	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  i send short text 9 times, 3 times got blocked, but 1 long passes
10:53	Out`Of`Control	so there is no limit how many chars you can send at once
10:54	shangul	<Out`Of`Control> shangul:  i wont flood main server => i meant playing on the main server
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10:55	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  give me a min please i disable mods
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10:58	Darkside_	megaf: now i only need a shield then i have full diamond armor on your server :) those travelnets helped out great saved me at least an hour digin down :)
10:59	Megaf	Darkside_: Cool! I'm glad that was helpfull to you. We did the dig ourselves so players could use their time in more fun stuff, like creating armours!
11:00	Megaf	Darkside_: and you are going to need the armour, trust me
11:00	Megaf	!server Megaf
11:00	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
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11:00	Out`Of`Control	Krock: try now
11:00	nm0i	Morning
11:00	Krock	I couldn't try before. Router crashed
11:01	Out`Of`Control	i disable many mods
11:01	Krock	and I disabled the mesh cache
11:01	Out`Of`Control	oh
11:02	Krock	oh yes. from 900 MB down to 125 MB, that's really a difference to before
11:03	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  there is no limit how many chars you can send at once
11:04	Out`Of`Control	or it does not work
11:04	Krock	1 moment
11:04	Krock	I'm fixing this already
11:10	shamoanjac	pls implement sending chunks with deflate
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11:21	FirePowi	Hey ! How to make an Account for Minetest Wiki, please ?
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11:23	Out`Of`Control	FirePowi: ask Calinou
11:23	FirePowi	I may send him a email ?
11:23	FirePowi	(He is afk)
11:24	FirePowi	Calinou, je peux avoir accès au Wiki, stp ? Je t’envoie mon adresse mail en MP.
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11:25	Krock	Out`Of`Control, updated http://pastebin.com/i3VX5Qjq
11:26	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  welcome back sec
11:26	Krock	ty
11:27	Calinou	FirePowi: je regarde ça dans 1 heure environ
11:27	FirePowi	Ok, merci ! :-)
11:27	Krock	#minetest-fr ?
11:27	FirePowi	Oups ^^'
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11:29	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  works fine now thank you
11:30	Krock	uh no, it doesn't
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11:36	Krock	Out`Of`Control, moved an 'if' some lines up to make it kick people
11:37	Out`Of`Control	oh
11:42	Krock	Out`Of`Control, I placed a door
11:42	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  server crashed lol
11:42	Out`Of`Control	i disable many mods, something got broken
11:43	Krock	I think this is a MTG issue
11:44	Out`Of`Control	ServerError: Lua: Runtime error from mod 'doors' in callback item_OnPlace(): /home/minetest/bin/../games/ayntest/mods/doors/init.lua:41: attempt to index a nil value
11:45	Out`Of`Control	i move mod to life server
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12:04	shangul	MinetestBot, hi
12:05	MinetestBot	Hello shangul, how are you today?
12:06	shangul	Minetest, i'm fine. are you ok?
12:06	shangul	:D
12:06	MinetestBot	Yes, I'm good.
12:06	shangul	i think it just answers to hi and hello
12:06	shangul	what?
12:07	shangul	is there a human behind bot?
12:07	MinetestBot	I'm not a bot, didn't you know?
12:07	shangul	MinetestBot, mjadjtgpjgptg
12:07	Darkside_	lol
12:07	shangul	who is controling him?
12:09	shangul	MinetestBot, don't play role for me!i was master in it before you!
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12:09	agrecascino	help
12:10	agrecascino	after installing fun_caves
12:10	agrecascino	i don't have any more caves
12:13	sfan5	the mod is probably broken
12:13	sfan5	which minetest version do you use?
12:13	agrecascino	0.4.14
12:13	sfan5	hm
12:13	sfan5	well i'd suggest asking the mod author about the problem
12:14	agrecascino	i'm getting an error in console, along the lines of heightmap is nil
12:15	agrecascino	and i think this has to do with having ethereal mapgen with it
12:20	agrecascino	man realizes he was using an ancient version of ethereal mapgen
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12:44	Darkside_	http://pastebin.com/tCYWFY7c it took a bit of work but now my mod compresses and decrompresses 16 default nodes including dirt,sand and obsidian
12:45	Darkside_	and 16 new compressed nodes are added that can be placed to build with group cracky and sand dirt crumbly too :)
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12:51	Darkside_	since players run always out of storage space for cobblestone, they end up throwing stuff away to later find out they needed it :/
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13:00	Krock	btw: '"darkcraft:cobble" 1' is equal to "darkcraft:cobble 1"
13:01	Krock	and that's equal to "darkcraft:cobble"
13:01	Krock	you could shorten that code a lot by writing a function to register them easily
13:02	Darkside_	oh ok thanks :)
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13:02	Krock	np. I could show you an example of that said function if you want
13:03	Krock	no idea how long you're in Lua programming yet
13:04	Darkside_	nah im too noobie for now i gotta download some e-books and read a bit, thanks though :)
13:04	Krock	sometimes it's helpful to see and analyze code to understand how it would be possibel or how it works
13:04	Krock	*possible
13:07	Darkside_	yeah true, e-books always help me out a lot with syntax samples and each symbol in it explained :)
13:09	aix	https://github.com/mosstest
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13:11	Krock	rekt. A minetest clone in Java
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13:11	Krock	but somehow I don't think it's releated with our Minetest
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13:13	aix	https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack holy fucking shit
13:14	aix	that's huge
13:14	aix	my browser lagged a little
13:18	Krock	I'd smile if it was called minetest-megafpack
13:18	Krock	Megaf ^
13:19	aix	...
13:19	Krock	…
13:19	Megaf	x)
13:20	Krock	coolmore than 100 outdated mods
13:20	aix	>outdated
13:20	Krock	s/lm/l m/
13:20	aix	https://sr.ht/VIrl.png
13:20	Krock	these aren't diamonds, right?
13:20	Megaf	aix: Oo
13:20	aix	yeah
13:20	aix	no thats uh
13:20	aix	naqueda
13:21	aix	fuck i turned mining into a rainbow
13:21	aix	but damn
13:21	Megaf	I did the same mistake in the past
13:21	aix	it's beautiful
13:21	Megaf	but I learned that less is better
13:21	Krock	did you replace all with nyancat:rainbow ?
13:21	aix	hah
13:21	Krock	that gives you some color
13:21	aix	Megaf: that's actually true
13:22	aix	Krock: no that gives you a nyancat cuboid
13:22	aix	>replace all
13:22	aix	christ
13:22	aix	i might ABM this out before it takes over
13:22	aix	but it's so pretty
13:22	aix	Megaf: there's some already generated normal mines
13:22	Megaf	I'm here creating a script that creates a Linux portable version of Minetest
13:23	Megaf	it gets the latest git, builds, bundle libs and makes a package
13:23	Megaf	portable package that is
13:24	Megaf	portable version of minetest and minetestserver
13:24	Megaf	portable and optimized
13:24	Megaf	and stuff
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13:25	aix	huh
13:25	aix	deeper down is different stone
13:25	aix	that's neat
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13:26	aix	man it really messes up caverealms
13:27	Krock	then make it depend on caverealms
13:27	Krock	so it gets loaded after that mod
13:29	aix	uhm
13:30	aix	the fact that it replaces stone with its own makes the caves uglier
13:30	aix	well no they look great
13:30	aix	i just cant see too well lol
13:38	MinetestBot	[git] schuellerf -> minetest/minetestmapper: Zoom implementation (--zoom option) 15fae27 https://git.io/v6c3e (2016-08-09T15:35:36+02:00)
13:39	Krock	wohoo
13:43	aix	i did it
13:43	aix	205 mods
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13:46	Krock	hi free electron
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13:51	Krock	aix, congrats. 16 almost never used mods on servers can be found on yours: http://pastebin.com/f28ATH2f
13:52	Krock	(however, inttlib is useless because it's an english server)
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13:52	aix	channels 1% :)
13:59	aix	we are the 1%®
13:59	aix	Krock: something needed inttlib
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14:07	MinetestBot	[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Warn on big image dimensions, fixes #14 2ed4563 https://git.io/v6cCu (2016-08-09T16:04:58+02:00)
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14:25	MinetestBot	[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Clarify license situation (closes #26) ab167d1 https://git.io/v6c8s (2016-08-09T16:18:04+02:00)
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14:58	Megaf	!server Megaf
14:58	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
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15:31	cat5e	where can I go to talk about making a mod?
15:31	cat5e	also can I sell a mod?
15:33	Krock	yes you can sell mods like any other software
15:33	Krock	and here is a good place to discuss about mods
15:34	cat5e	ok so
15:35	cat5e	can mods send files to the client?
15:35	cat5e	because I need that
15:35	cat5e	TCP, btw. UDP would suck for file transfer
15:36	MinetestBot	[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Search for colors.txt in multiple locations, fixes #27 6f1b828 https://git.io/v6cwV (2016-08-09T17:35:15+02:00)
15:36	MinetestBot	[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Allow specifying location of colors.txt file 73dab34 https://git.io/v6cww (2016-08-09T16:45:39+02:00)
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15:36	MinetestBot	T4im: Aug-09 13:23 UTC <Krock> Noch mehr cargocult: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack/tree/master/mods/ ;)
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15:37	sfan5	cat5e: you can talk about mods here
15:37	sfan5	mods can't send files to the client
15:37	sfan5	for the sole reason that the client wouldn't know what to do with them
15:37	sfan5	client-side modding is not possible
15:38	cat5e	good so minetest is completely useless for my needs
15:38	cat5e	:/
15:38	MinetestBot	[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Remove a little debug code (oops...) c79b5ac https://git.io/v6cwF (2016-08-09T17:36:43+02:00)
15:38	sfan5	you can only mod server-side
15:38	cat5e	sfan5, can I put a server on the server?
15:38	Krock	you can stack them, yes.
15:38	cat5e	like, a webserver
15:39	sfan5	nothing prevents you from running a web server alongside minetest
15:40	cat5e	ok
15:40	cat5e	can I run LLVM from minetest?
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15:40	redblade	hi
15:40	redblade	i came here late last night and then i left to go to bed
15:41	redblade	but
15:41	redblade	i'm trying to add a fake minetest to the github repo
15:41	redblade	but i cannot see anything about creating or renaming folders, the stupidest thing
15:42	redblade	i dont know if i missed something, but i cant create new folders or rename "Evil_Craft (example)
15:42	redblade	and the instructions say to do so
15:42	redblade	https://github.com/redblade7/Minetest_Copy_Report/tree/%22redblade7%22%22Minecraft-(counterfeit)-(unconfirmed)%22
15:42	sfan5	cat5e: why would you want to do that
15:42	swift110	hmm
15:42	cat5e	sfan5, because I need it
15:42	redblade	how would i rename "Evil_Craft (example)" folder to "Minecraft (counterfeit) (unconfirmed)"
15:42	redblade	or delete the "Evil_Craft (example)" and create a new folder
15:42	sfan5	well you can use os.execute from lua
15:43	redblade	but i cannot find any way to do that
15:43	redblade	i've looked everywhere on the page
15:43	redblade	there is nothing it seems regarding the manipulation of folders or folder names
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15:43	cat5e	sfan5, well uh os.execute won't cut it, I need the LLVM lib
15:43	redblade	only files
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15:43	sfan5	cat5e: if there is a lua binding then you an use it
15:43	sfan5	+c
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15:46	redblade	i'm asking over in #github maybe they can help me
15:46	sfan5	use an actual git client
15:46	sfan5	instead of their web interface
15:47	redblade	the only thing i know about git is the "git pull" needed when i had to compile development versions of minetest to get mods to work before 0.4.14 came out
15:47	T4im	redblade: https://try.github.io
15:48	redblade	how do you publish it without a password
15:49	redblade	got a 403 after i git pulled
15:50	redblade	https://github.com/redblade7/Minetest_Copy_Report/tree/%22redblade7%22%22Minecraft-(counterfeit)-(unconfirmed)%22
15:50	redblade	sorry
15:50	redblade	git pull https://github.com/redblade7/Minetest_Copy_Report/tree/%22redblade7%22%22Minecraft-(counterfeit)-(unconfirmed)%22
15:51	T4im	that's not a git repo
15:51	redblade	error: The requested URL returned error: 403 while accessing https://github.com/redblade7/Minetest_Copy_Report/tree/%22redblade7%22%22Minecraft-(counterfeit)-(unconfirmed)%22/info/refs
15:51	redblade	fatal: HTTP request failed
15:51	T4im	https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use/
15:51	T4im	you might want to go through the github help pages, they should cover everything
15:51	T4im	well, at least the basics
15:52	redblade	yeah, like, what to click on to create new directory, which is nowhere to be found
15:52	redblade	i know git pull but nothing else
15:52	T4im	github does mainly do git repository hosting
15:53	T4im	editing stuff on their web interface is convenience not their main funciton
15:53	redblade	can i shell into something and create the folder that way?
15:53	T4im	you can do it locally and then push the files up
15:53	T4im	btw, git doesn't allow empty directories, so it doesn't make sense for github to offer such a feature
15:53	redblade	what is the url for the minetest_copy_report
15:53	redblade	because the instructions there are wrong
15:53	T4im	they are not
15:54	redblade	they say nothing about using git
15:54	redblade	they say to create a folder
15:54	redblade	and put the files inside
15:54	redblade	it's not like the compilation instructions which tell you to use git
15:54	redblade	and give you the commands to use
15:54	T4im	https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use/ <-- these instructions are not wrong
15:54	sfan5	have you tried googling on how to use git
15:55	redblade	no i meant the instructions on the minetest page T4im
15:55	redblade	they say nothing about using git
15:55	T4im	why would they?
15:55	T4im	you are on a git hosting webpage, what else are you gonna use?
15:55	redblade	https://github.com/azekillDIABLO/Minetest_Copy_Report
15:56	redblade	under "First Step"
15:56	redblade	Come back to the main page for this repository and click the "Fork" button in the top right
15:56	redblade	In your copy, in the top right, create a new "branch". Give it a clear name which should look like :
15:56	redblade	"Your_Username":"Full_Name_of_the_app"
15:56	redblade	Second Step:
15:56	redblade	On your copy, build a new file called by the name of the app in 'projects'>>>'offenders'
15:56	redblade	In this file, add:
15:56	T4im	no need to write the entire readme
15:56	redblade	a file called "violations.txt" where you will put what you find wrong on the app you report
15:56	redblade	(etc)
15:56	sfan5	yeah
15:56	redblade	nothing about the need to use git
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15:56	sfan5	you've already done that
15:57	sfan5	the first step at least
15:57	sfan5	it doesn't talk about using git
15:57	sfan5	but you still need to use git
15:59	T4im	actually, the webinterace seems to allow creating folders very well as it seems
15:59	T4im	but note: git itself does not allow empty folders, so this is **not** an extra action, that would be impossible
15:59	T4im	just create a new file and place it into a directory, it will create it if necessary
15:59	T4im	the web interface that is
16:00	T4im	but you'd still be adviced to learn git; it's a useful thing; the web interface still has its limitations
16:00	redblade	now please dont tell me i cant delete this abomination
16:00	redblade	in its entirely
16:01	redblade	deleted
16:01	T4im	no idea what you are talking about, really
16:01	T4im	:D
16:01	redblade	if anyone wants to file information on this counterfeit minecraft, feel free. i've mentioned it in the forum
16:02	redblade	deleted the unfixable fork with empty files
16:02	redblade	and i did
16:03	T4im	btw, why didn't you just report it as issue to the repo
16:03	redblade	empty files i created when figuring out how to work
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16:03	redblade	a feature enhancement you mean?
16:03	redblade	i'm sure it exists and i can vote on it
16:04	T4im	i meant that weird copy report repo; it has an issue tracker, too
16:05	redblade	i just went into "settings" and deleted it
16:05	T4im	not sure what feature enhancement you mean; github already allows you to create folders in the editor, as mentioned above
16:05	redblade	now it's a 404, problem solved
16:05	redblade	how do you create folders in the editor?
16:05	T4im	you just place the file into it
16:05	redblade	it didn't, the folder name was up there, you couldn't rename it
16:05	T4im	backspace?
16:06	redblade	if you type the backspace button it will delete the box?
16:07	redblade	and allow me to rename the parent folder?
16:07	T4im	i never used the web interface before, but it was quite straight forward: "create new file" -> move your mouse to the name field, type a folder name and "/" and it will actually recognize it
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16:07	T4im	if it allows renaming, it will probably work the same way
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16:07	Krock	Just use a Git client   (┘Õ_Õ)┘  _  â•§â•â•â•§
16:08	T4im	^^ that would of course be optimal
16:08	Krock	btw, is the table displaying all right?
16:08	T4im	table?
16:08	Krock	"  â•§â•â•â•§ "
16:09	T4im	if it is hanging from the ceiling, then yea
16:09	Krock	no, it's a flipped table
16:09	T4im	ah
16:09	aix	https://sr.ht/dE-v.txt 100% filtration so far
16:09	T4im	heh, raging around? :D
16:09	T4im	filtration?
16:10	aix	yus
16:10	aix	name restrictions
16:10	Krock	T4im, yeah.. using the Github editor makes the commit history look awful
16:10	T4im	why don't you just allow guests? i really still don't get it, allow guests, and don't give them interact by default, that will solve so much more problems than forcing them to select a name, where you have no idea if they are there to stay or not
16:11	T4im	all that leads is all the good names being blocked by guests that never stayed longer than a few minutes
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16:11	aix	i clear names with no interact daily
16:11	Krock	it's kinda BS when you start building, claim an area an area and want to change your name afterwards
16:11	aix	and on my server, guests cannot see anything
16:11	aix	even normal users see nothing, they spawn in a maze
16:11	Krock	-"an area"
16:12	redblade	i'm sure i can learn git no problem (i've used git clone and git pull to compile minetest development code) but i dont feel like it right now
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16:14	T4im	Krock: they wouldn't be able to do that, if you don't get interact as guest
16:14	T4im	guest should be what they claim to be, guests, visitors, there to look around and check out a server before they settle down
16:14	T4im	with a real name hten
16:15	Krock	yes and they could be deleted easily "^Guest[0-9] ..."
16:15	T4im	yea
16:16	T4im	i am so confused by so many people trying to forbid them and calling it "filtering them out" when in reality they merge half them with the real userbase and shoo the other half away from minetest
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16:18	redblade	thank you T4im that worked
16:19	redblade	typing the folder name, then "/", then the file name
16:19	thePalindrome	Oof, negating regex
16:21	shamoanjac	agrecascino,
16:21	T4im	^ outside a charcter class is used to match against the start of the string/line, it's only negating inside the character class
16:21	agrecascino	shamoanjac, ?
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16:21	shamoanjac	did people tell you about the crashes?
16:21	agrecascino	no?
16:22	agrecascino	i'm not playing
16:22	agrecascino	oh mother of god errors
16:22	agrecascino	hang on
16:22	agrecascino	let me pastebin everything
16:22	thePalindrome	dat lorem ipsum
16:23	agrecascino	btw
16:23	agrecascino	shamoanjac,
16:23	shamoanjac	yes
16:23	agrecascino	go scream at the people in the server to stop doing things
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16:23	shamoanjac	banners had a small bug
16:23	agrecascino	i can't get the stdout
16:23	agrecascino	shamoanjac, yeah
16:23	agrecascino	the wood bug
16:23	shamoanjac	another one
16:23	shamoanjac	I did default:steel_block instead of default:steelblock so power banners cannot be crafted
16:24	thePalindrome	Wait, you're stuck with the std because you can't get the std out?
16:24	thePalindrome	:P
16:24	shamoanjac	it's fixed on my github
16:24	shamoanjac	holy crap thePalindrome lel
16:25	agrecascino	pastebin.com/iXtbhNe6
16:25	agrecascino	something broke
16:25	T4im	shamoanjac: can_dig needs to handle nil-players
16:26	T4im	banners.banner_on_dig will crash when you use minetest.dig_node on it
16:26	shamoanjac	hold on
16:27	agrecascino	yeah the server seems completely fucked
16:27	shamoanjac	fixing and expanding two mods at the same time is p hard
16:27	T4im	(although the can_dig thing is unrelated to what you just pasted)
16:28	agrecascino	should i just trash the world
16:28	shamoanjac	T4im, don't you mean minetest.is_protected?
16:28	shamoanjac	where do you see a dig_node which uses players?
16:28	T4im	that's the thing, it doesn't
16:28	T4im	but it still calls can_dig
16:28	T4im	without  a player
16:29	shamoanjac	where?
16:29	T4im	which leads the banners can_dig to blow up :D
16:29	shamoanjac	I don't get it
16:29	shamoanjac	I need some context
16:29	shamoanjac	ah ok right
16:29	shamoanjac	nvm
16:30	T4im	oh wait, sorry, is that even a can_dig?
16:30	* T4im	double checks
16:30	shamoanjac	no
16:30	shamoanjac	but I found a bug
16:30	T4im	sorry then
16:30	shamoanjac	of on_dig
16:30	T4im	well, then it was worth it? :D
16:30	shamoanjac	which tries to access the players inventory
16:30	shamoanjac	uh, maybe
16:31	shamoanjac	it on_dig(pos, node, player) passes nil players, then yes
16:31	shamoanjac	anyway I added a check and just pushed
16:32	shamoanjac	ok agrecascino I read the logs
16:32	shamoanjac	it's not from either of my mods
16:32	agrecascino	rootdebian:/media/root/d62c482e-f078-4020-b577-725f2bcca36a/home/arecascino/Downloads/hello# users
16:32	agrecascino	root root root root root root root root root root root root
16:32	agrecascino	i'm leaving for lunch
16:33	shamoanjac	k
16:33	T4im	a good lunch to you then
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16:41	redblade	Done
16:41	redblade	Thank you
16:47	Jellonator	eyy I figured out something on my own for once instead of bugging the devs about it on the irc
16:47	Jellonator	I'm learning kek
16:47	aix	http://www.planetminecraft.com/texture_pack/minetest-for-minecraft/
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16:50	cat5e	how can I store data in a node?
16:50	way	hi there
16:51	Jellonator	You store data in a node with metadata
16:51	Jellonator	You can get the metadata of a node with minetest.get_meta(pos), where pos is the position of the node
16:52	cat5e	does minetest have a reference manual like lua?
16:52	Jellonator	From there, you can use http://dev.minetest.net/NodeMetaRef as a reference for how to get and set metadata for a node
16:52	T4im	reference: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
16:52	cat5e	uh
16:52	Jellonator	welp i was too slow
16:52	cat5e	anything that isn't sent to the client?
16:53	T4im	if you store a lot of data, you might want to save it to a file instead of saving it to the node
16:53	cat5e	would be too floody
16:53	cat5e	can I use sqlite from a mod?
16:53	T4im	there is a function to convert the position to a single number, which you can use to fill or lookup a table
16:53	T4im	(and convert it back to a position again)
16:53	cat5e	can I use sqlite from a mod?
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16:54	T4im	and then you can serialize that lua table to a file
16:54	Jellonator	Probably not, it would require for anyone with the mod to install it and that would get weird
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16:55	cat5e	doesn't minetest include sqlite?
16:55	Jellonator	Does it?
16:55	T4im	not for mods
16:55	T4im	only for the map
16:56	cat5e	T4im, eh does it export the sqlite symbols?
16:56	thePalindrome	Not always iirc
16:56	T4im	?
16:56	cat5e	because if so I can just use the FFI
16:56	thePalindrome	I may be wrong, but I think you can compile out sqlite
16:56	thePalindrome	no, never mind
16:56	T4im	forget about sqlite or actual databases, unless you want to go really complicated :D
16:56	T4im	of course adding some kind of datastore to the lua api would be nice, if you want to do that
16:57	cat5e	T4im, given how much data I'll need to handle, sqlite is actually reasonable
16:57	thePalindrome	meh
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16:57	cat5e	does minetest have threads?
16:57	Jellonator	what kind of data are you storing?
16:57	Calinou	cat5e: yes
16:57	Calinou	map generation is done in separate threads for example
16:57	Jellonator	And how often are you changing it?
16:57	Calinou	"emerge thread"
16:57	T4im	well lua async is available, but never tried how well it works with minetest
16:57	T4im	coroutines*
16:58	cat5e	Calinou, can I spawn threads from Lua or something?
16:58	T4im	lua coroutines
16:58	cat5e	T4im, proper threads
17:00	cat5e	Jellonator, each node placed or removed needs to update the data
17:00	cat5e	and the datasets may be HUGE
17:01	T4im	what are you trying to store? O_o
17:01	sea`	NSA collected metadata.
17:01	T4im	there are certainly lua modules available that you can require() for sqlite support
17:01	cat5e	altho each node will only affect a single row at a time
17:03	cat5e	T4im, I'd rather use minetest's built-in sqlite and some FFI, that way I can support all OSes without packing a bunch of binary modules
17:04	T4im	you don't know if minetest comes with squlite, somoene might choose to use another backed for the world
17:04	cat5e	I need sqlite, or another DB
17:05	cat5e	(I could have a config to select the DB I guess)
17:06	T4im	ffi only works on luajit, unless you also add some ffi module, and then why not add a direct sqlite one instead?
17:06	agrecascino	alright
17:06	agrecascino	i need some help here
17:07	T4im	what you could possibly store as "huge" data, for a single node?
17:07	T4im	its history? :D
17:07	agrecascino	i need help
17:07	T4im	was sea` right after all?
17:07	cat5e	T4im, each node stores not much data
17:07	agrecascino	seriously
17:07	agrecascino	something fucked up bad
17:07	cat5e	well uh
17:08	T4im	agrecascino: how so?
17:08	cat5e	except some specific nodes may store a few MB of data
17:08	T4im	o_O
17:08	agrecascino	like 40+ errors at once in console
17:08	agrecascino	and things crashing all the time
17:09	cat5e	altho that'd be stored in an item (can items have metadata?)
17:09	T4im	agrecascino: stack trace?
17:09	Jellonator	why is it storing MBs of data
17:09	Jellonator	what kind of data are you storing to warrant that
17:09	cat5e	Jellonator, because it's a compiler
17:09	cat5e	all sorts of data
17:09	T4im	yes, althoug items is a broad thing, nodes and tools are both items
17:09	cat5e	macros, code, debug info
17:09	cat5e	everything
17:09	Jellonator	...you're storing a compiler inside a node?
17:10	agrecascino	i can't find it in my screen
17:10	T4im	o_O
17:10	cat5e	Jellonator, nah compilers are tiny
17:10	cat5e	the things they compile can be huge tho
17:10	agrecascino	cat5e, computers minetest?
17:10	cat5e	agrecascino, nope
17:10	Jellonator	I think it would be fine though, when you place it and set the metadata its fine after that
17:10	agrecascino	what then?
17:11	T4im	Jellonator: metadata is send to the client though, not good storing mb's of data there
17:11	cat5e	agrecascino, a compiler
17:11	agrecascino	pastebin.com/iXtbhNe6
17:11	agrecascino	cat5e, for what
17:11	cat5e	agrecascino, for...
17:11	T4im	seems he wants to use minetest as a laguage
17:11	cat5e	well
17:11	T4im	language*
17:11	cat5e	everything
17:11	T4im	x)
17:11	agrecascino	also
17:11	cat5e	because LLVM
17:11	agrecascino	that pastebin is what the errors look like
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17:12	cat5e	so I need to pack LLVM module, thread module, sqlite module, what else?
17:12	T4im	agrecascino: wrong mapgen set?
17:13	agrecascino	T4im, that should be ethereal and fun_caves
17:13	cat5e	that's looking to have double the size of minetest itself...
17:13	cat5e	:/
17:13	Nosrick	Argh, this damn null pointer exception is killing my progress
17:13	sea`	minetest will contain its own compiler now?
17:13	T4im	cat5e: what you are trying to do doesn't seem to be anything you can distribute for common gameplay anyway; and those academic projects, who cares if they are twice as big?
17:14	Krock	sea`, yes there's a Lua compiler bundled
17:14	cat5e	T4im, I want it usable
17:14	T4im	for what?
17:14	cat5e	and it's not an academic project
17:14	cat5e	it's so I can use it
17:15	cat5e	oh
17:15	cat5e	I also need HTTPD module
17:15	T4im	why would a normal player want to have source code stored in a node? or to compile something from inside the game? if that is not experimental/academic, then what is it? :D
17:15	cat5e	T4im, user-friendly
17:16	agrecascino	c compiler for minetest in lua when?
17:16	agrecascino	asm.lua
17:16	cat5e	no not asm.lua
17:16	cat5e	that'd be an LLVM to lua transpiler
17:17	T4im	but why run it from inside a minetest game?
17:17	cat5e	T4im, last I checked I tried to run a whole OS inside a game
17:17	T4im	:o
17:18	T4im	yea, i don't think i heard about that part yet
17:18	cat5e	T4im, uh so I tried making this thing called LibIngame https://github.com/LibIngame
17:19	cat5e	it was meant to be effectively a whole OS inside games
17:19	Nosrick	For what purpose?
17:19	cat5e	technically, libingame itself would be more like a kernel
17:20	cat5e	then there'd be the UI module (effectively a WM), the web browser module (a... well, a web browser)
17:20	cat5e	etc
17:20	agrecascino	does anyone know why i'm getting more errors than lines on stdout?
17:20	T4im	agrecascino: check your mod structure, does the underlying game actually define biomes?
17:20	T4im	do multiple mods mess with the biomes?
17:20	agrecascino	yes
17:21	T4im	like one registeres, another cleares and reregisters
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17:21	T4im	well, then that is likely your problem
17:21	agrecascino	fun_caves and ethereal, but i'm pretty sure that the creator of fun_caves made it compatible etheral
17:21	agrecascino	with ethereal*
17:21	T4im	maybe to another version?
17:25	agrecascino	alright
17:26	agrecascino	so now fun_caves just decided it's going to fail to start
17:26	agrecascino	that's nice
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17:38	agrecascino	WHAT THE ACTUAL FUUUUUUUUUCK
17:38	agrecascino	ARHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGDS}g[FJMSK<FKP}|}GF
17:39	agrecascino	GSDPKG:"MM<"OKE#(P%{I%^KTG{FGL:SF"Klfd
17:39	agrecascino	WAKE ME UP
17:39	agrecascino	CANT WAKE UP
17:39	agrecascino	SAVE ME
17:39	Nosrick	Nice meme bro
17:40	agrecascino	NONE OF THIS EVEN MAKES SENSE ANYMORE
17:40	agrecascino	>put fun_caves in mods
17:40	agrecascino	>enable it in world.mt
17:40	agrecascino	>doesn't load whatsoever, even though it was running before
17:41	Nosrick	You know what time it is
17:41	Nosrick	It's time to die
17:41	Calinou	load world.mt in LibreOffice, change font to Comic Sans MS, save
17:41	Krock	+1 for Calinou's advice
17:41	Nosrick	I think I'm doing something bad to Minetest.
17:42	Nosrick	I'm making it very, very unhappy.
17:42	sfan5	agrecascino: https://w0bm.com/b/1443839445.webm
17:43	Nosrick	Okay, so I'm redefining an entity's on_punch method, outside of its declaration.
17:43	Nosrick	This seems to REALLY upset Minetest.
17:44	Nosrick	Because when it gets called, the game hard crashes into a null pointer exception.
17:45	agrecascino	i found it
17:45	agrecascino	dmobs needs mobs
17:45	agrecascino	however
17:45	sfan5	doesn't it tell you in the error log?
17:45	agrecascino	i need to ask the question
17:46	agrecascino	how do i get the simple mobs mod without getting the mobs
17:46	agrecascino	as in
17:46	agrecascino	just the api
17:46	Nosrick	I use https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9917
17:46	Nosrick	It contains just the API
17:46	Nosrick	sfan5, you asking me?
17:46	sfan5	nah
17:49	cat5e	can minetest use system modules or do I need to pack them?
17:49	sfan5	never heard of "packing" modules
17:49	sfan5	it can use system modules
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17:50	Calinou	cat5e: IRC mod uses Luasocket
17:50	Calinou	so, I think so
17:55	Nosrick	Would redefining an on_punch method after initialisation cause a crash?
17:55	sfan5	possible
17:55	Nosrick	It certainly seems to make Minetest very, very unhappy.
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17:56	agrecascino	how do i set v7 mapgen
17:56	sfan5	have you tried redefining register_entity instead?
17:56	Calinou	agrecascino: you can use the world creation GUI in the client
17:56	agrecascino	on a server
17:56	Calinou	on a server, set mg_name = v7 in minetest.conf before creating the world
17:56	sfan5	(or do it afterwards but then you'll need to delete map.sqlite)
17:56	Calinou	maybe setting it in world.mt and deleting map.sqlite can work
17:56	Calinou	yeah, what sfan5 said
17:56	cat5e	sfan5, so, how to deal with luajit 2GB limit?
17:57	sfan5	let me restate
17:57	sfan5	<sfan5>30 if you need that much i'd suggest just modding the engine directly in C++
17:57	cat5e	I thought C++ mods weren't a thing?
17:57	cat5e	also, I much prefer C
17:57	Calinou	you can mod the client using C++
17:57	Calinou	the open source nature of Minetest has gone nowhere
17:58	Nosrick	I'd rather have my project be a mod, not a subgame.
17:58	cat5e	Calinou, perhaps don't pick a shitty language next time
17:58	nuzzle	rewrite it
17:58	cat5e	(C++ I mean)
17:58	prrpx	rewrite it in rust
17:59	sfan5	yes
17:59	prrpx	yes
17:59	prrpx	rust is literally the future
17:59	prrpx	and you cannot stop it
17:59	sfan5	cat5e: there is not support for C++ mods
17:59	Calinou	Rust is not a great gamedev environment right now, and it's still slower than C++
17:59	sfan5	but you can just change the engine and call it that
17:59	Calinou	and consider that it is very young, thus its library ecosystem is relatively small
17:59	sfan5	hm
17:59	prrpx	Calinou: bollocks. in regards to the "still slower than C++" part
18:00	Calinou	the tiny performance improvement of C is not worth the fact it's more obtuse to use, also note that we don't go overboard with OOP unlike some other projects
18:00	sfan5	cat5e: what i meant to say: you can't write c++ mods like you'd write a lua mod;; but you can change the engine and call that a "c++ mod"
18:00	agrecascino	prrpx, no one likes your shitty borrow checker
18:00	prrpx	agrecascino: no one likes u
18:00	prrpx	oh. burn.
18:00	cat5e	sfan5, garbage
18:00	sfan5	minetest is garbage yes
18:00	agrecascino	prrpx, no one likes you either
18:00	cat5e	sfan5, can I write a C mod and call the minetest module through Lua?
18:00	prrpx	agrecascino: u don't have to say that out loud =(
18:01	sfan5	cat5e: no
18:01	cat5e	that way I don't really deal with the 2GB limit
18:01	sfan5	or
18:01	sfan5	yes you can
18:01	sfan5	but it's a horrible idea
18:01	sfan5	just mod the engine directly
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18:01	prrpx	luajit is meme. luajit is abandonware
18:01	prrpx	it's time to get rid of luajit. and lua, too
18:01	cat5e	sfan5, perhaps if you had a C or RPC API instead of this hardcoded bullshit >.>
18:02	cat5e	I wish we had Lua 5.3 :/
18:02	sfan5	there's a patch somewhere
18:02	sfan5	but
18:02	cat5e	proper ints and all :/
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18:02	sfan5	it is designed to be a scripting api
18:02	Calinou	if we have Lua 5.3, we have no LuaJIT
18:02	Calinou	which means, terrible performance
18:02	sfan5	for that reason it's not c or rpc
18:02	sfan5	theoretically someone could add a c++ api
18:02	sfan5	but well
18:02	sfan5	there's none
18:02	Calinou	prrpx: do you suggest JavaScript and V8? :)
18:03	cat5e	sfan5, no thanks I'll never touch a C++ API even if I should
18:03	cat5e	(thankfully C wrappers exist and they kinda work)
18:03	sfan5	well then s/C++/C/
18:03	sfan5	the thing is we have the one and only scripting api for lua
18:03	sfan5	nothing else
18:03	cat5e	Calinou, who cares about performance?
18:03	sfan5	for anything advanced you'll need touch the engine's C++
18:03	Krock	let's use assember - there must be some compilers around that could be bundled with minetest!
18:03	Calinou	everyone.
18:04	thePalindrome	hush
18:04	Calinou	it matters both on the client (in case we get client-side scripting) and server
18:04	cat5e	Calinou, just give it an LLVM module so ppl can write their own JITs
18:04	Calinou	it's how servers can be lag-free
18:04	thePalindrome	:brb:
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18:04	T4im	nah, some people use their computers to heat the apartment, performance would be counter productive
18:05	Krock	^ doing that right now
18:05	thePalindrome	back
18:06	sfan5	Krock: pentium 4?
18:06	Krock	wb thePalindrome, I'm so glad you're back
18:06	thePalindrome	lel
18:06	Krock	sfan5, sadly not. Athlon 64 4000+
18:06	thePalindrome	I still say having a compiled api would not go over so well
18:06	Krock	but still heats with ~80 Watts
18:06	cat5e	everyone knows AMD is hotter than intel
18:06	thePalindrome	Because otherwise I will never have an osx or windows user run my mods :P
18:06	thePalindrome	s/otherwise/if so/
18:06	cat5e	if you know what I mean ;)
18:07	Calinou	yeah, the problem is that it gets platform-specific
18:07	cat5e	thePalindrome, RPC solves that
18:07	Calinou	that's really bad for beginner mod developers
18:07	thePalindrome	Not all of it
18:07	Calinou	sure, cross-compilation (even to macOS using osxcross!) is a thing, but it's complex to set up
18:07	Krock	cat5e, in popularity or temperature? the last one is 39.2°C here right now
18:07	thePalindrome	ew nonono
18:07	Calinou	and don't get me started on compiling for Windows, MinGW vs MSVC…
18:07	sfan5	mingw works
18:07	sfan5	usually.
18:07	thePalindrome	rpc doesn't solve things like endianess
18:07	cat5e	implement the RPC protocol in python, lua, etc and you get free cross-platform
18:07	Calinou	my CPU is at +32°C right now
18:07	Calinou	some cores at +25-28°C
18:07	thePalindrome	But then there's more abstraction to deal with
18:08	cat5e	thePalindrome, then design a RPC protocol that uses sane-endian
18:08	Calinou	cat5e: where's the speed benefit then?
18:08	cat5e	(aka network byte order)
18:08	Krock	but it depends on the CPU model where they mounted the temperature sensor
18:08	T4im	:D
18:08	cat5e	Calinou, who cares about speed when you can have the best of both worlds?
18:08	T4im	"our cpu's don't get hot, as our sensor behind the cooling system shows"
18:08	T4im	become*
18:08	shamoanjac	how can you see into my eyes
18:08	shamoanjac	like open door
18:08	shamoanjac	s
18:08	cat5e	you can use C, you can use Lua, you can use LuaJIT, you can use Python, you can use node.js you can use V8 etc
18:08	thePalindrome	feh, either way
18:08	cat5e	all at the same time
18:09	cat5e	even multiple versions of Lua at the same time
18:09	shamoanjac	please C API for Minetest
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18:09	shamoanjac	please ANSI C
18:09	thePalindrome	The problem isn't specific to the language
18:09	thePalindrome	it's the api imo
18:09	shamoanjac	please Scheme API for Minetest
18:09	cat5e	Calinou, you can't get any of that with the current bullshit
18:09	sfan5	cat5e: the difficulty is having an RPC for our use case
18:09	thePalindrome	we can't get a ton of the info we need from the engine
18:09	sfan5	how do you register for events?
18:09	thePalindrome	Otherwise I'd write the thing :P
18:09	Krock	cat5e, you can even load C modules with Lua
18:09	thePalindrome	String return values?
18:09	shamoanjac	(setnode (getnode pos))
18:09	Calinou	also, supporting multiple languages would create tons of fragmentation
18:09	shamoanjac	(setnode (getnode pos) pos)
18:09	Calinou	possibly inconsistency or random weirdness
18:10	Calinou	like, "why is my JavaScript API not camelCase?"
18:10	thePalindrome	minetestrpc.callback_on_punch("MURDERPUNCHMAN"
18:10	cat5e	sfan5, they're sockets, just use a mutex and write events
18:10	cat5e	actually screw that
18:10	Calinou	(hint: we're dealing with that at Godot right now)
18:10	cat5e	use dbus
18:10	cat5e	way easier
18:10	Calinou	we'll have a C# API, but in snake_case :p
18:10	sfan5	>dbus
18:10	sfan5	ayyy
18:10	sfan5	no
18:10	sfan5	just no
18:10	thePalindrome	C#? ew no
18:10	cat5e	sfan5, lots of dbus modules available for a bunch of shit
18:10	Calinou	C# performs well, is relatively easy to write, and Unity uses it (= gamedevs know it)
18:10	shamoanjac	snake_case_is_the_only_righteous_case
18:10	cat5e	way less effort than the current bullshit
18:10	thePalindrome	Calinou: I call BS on all of that
18:10	sfan5	yeah no
18:11	shamoanjac	typedef struct node_t {
18:11	sfan5	i guarantee you that using dbus is a lot of effore
18:11	Calinou	Java is the alternative, we could support Avian... technically we can support any statically-typed language such as Go or Rust with the new C API we're developing
18:11	sfan5	s/e/t/
18:11	thePalindrome	Java is worse
18:11	thePalindrome	remember, with java you can redefine the value of a private function!
18:11	Calinou	users are free to contribute bindings
18:11	thePalindrome	The other voxel game abused that :P
18:11	cat5e	sfan5, I looked at dbus for python
18:11	Calinou	even Nim could work I guess
18:11	sfan5	cat5e: how about we have a C api and someone writes a dbus thing for that?
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18:11	cat5e	do you know how much effort dbus for python is?
18:11	sfan5	also everything is easier in python
18:11	cat5e	literally 0
18:11	cat5e	less than 0 even
18:11	Calinou	thePalindrome: there are at least two Java voxel games
18:11	Calinou	Minecraft and Terasology :p
18:11	T4im	you can play with local or upvalues with lua too, thePalindrome
18:11	sfan5	have you tried working with JSON in e.g. C?
18:11	cat5e	so just use dboost or something that combines boost and dbus and it'll be way easier in C++ too
18:12	thePalindrome	Yeah, but only one of them has the official title "The other voxel game" :P
18:12	T4im	debug lib has some nasty cobble going on, if you let it
18:12	sfan5	ok you mentioned boost
18:12	sfan5	congrats
18:12	* thePalindrome	used to mod for minecraft
18:12	* Calinou	boosts all the things
18:12	sfan5	boost is the only library that is actually banned from minetest
18:12	thePalindrome	I gave up when 1.8 broke everything modding related
18:12	* cat5e	uses boost license everywhere
18:12	Calinou	my cat uses Boost
18:12	sfan5	before getting boost into minetest
18:12	sfan5	you'll need to murder the entire dev team
18:12	thePalindrome	You probably use systemd as well -.-
18:13	sfan5	minetest doesn't support systemd socket activation or startup signalling
18:13	sfan5	so no
18:13	thePalindrome	I don't have the d on my system :P
18:13	thePalindrome	So I know that :P
18:13	cat5e	sfan5, another option is to write a custom RPC, shove it into python, then call dbus from python
18:13	IhrFussel	Mod question: Is it enough to remove the lines containing lava inside bucket.register_liquid() of the bucket mod? My goal is to disable lava buckets
18:13	cat5e	sfan5, or something like that
18:13	shamoanjac	it's 0.4.14 and Minetest still doesn't support inotify()
18:14	sfan5	i think a c api would be most straightforward
18:14	sfan5	if people want rpc they can write one based on the c api
18:14	sfan5	IMO
18:14	Nosrick	Python
18:14	cat5e	yes
18:14	cat5e	that's how it should be
18:14	cat5e	but you don't want that
18:14	Nosrick	PYTHON
18:14	Calinou	IhrFussel: I'd like to see a mod that disables lava bucket pouring (but not collecting), but *only* above sea level
18:14	sfan5	i don't?
18:14	Calinou	is there such a mod?
18:14	Calinou	Krock ^
18:14	thePalindrome	I'd actually start with a lua rpc, just so that issues in lua code can't crash the server
18:14	cat5e	sfan5, you don't seem to
18:14	sfan5	i just don't want a dbus or boost-dbus whatever api
18:15	sfan5	a c api is perfectly fine
18:15	cat5e	so grab lua and put dbus on top?
18:15	sfan5	no
18:15	sfan5	write a seperate c api that works like the lua one
18:15	Krock	Calinou, IhrFussel: https://github.com/SmallJoker/base_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L535-L551
18:15	sfan5	the thing is probably nobody will take that work upon themselves
18:16	cat5e	so grab lua.so and replace it with dbus.so?
18:16	thePalindrome	why would you ever do that?
18:16	cat5e	thePalindrome, at least I'd be able to use multiple lua versions
18:16	sfan5	there. is. no. dbus. involved.
18:16	* thePalindrome	leaves to be productive
18:16	Krock	and the same protection for buckets: https://github.com/SmallJoker/base_game/blob/master/mods/bucket/init.lua#L76-L82
18:16	Krock	sorry, it's not up-to-date
18:17	Calinou	it'd be great if somebody made a simple mod for that
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18:17	Calinou	this could even get into minetest_game, like, "safe_buckets = true"
18:18	T4im	mod would be super unintrusive
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18:20	T4im	with #2250 you could even just check for spilling over a specific position via protection mods
18:21	cat5e	sfan5, why do you hate dbus so much?
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18:21	cat5e	I'm using dbus to talk to you
18:21	sfan5	i'm not
18:21	sfan5	dbus feels like a lot of effort for not much
18:23	cat5e	does minetest support APNGs?
18:23	T4im	a for alpha or animated?
18:23	Calinou	no
18:23	Calinou	nobody does
18:24	Calinou	FLIF is the superior compiler (I guess nobody will get the reference :p), but sadly its license prevents mass adoption
18:24	sfan5	animations are supported as frames stacked vertically
18:24	Calinou	http://flif.info/
18:24	Calinou	also, we do what sfan5 does, which works pretty well in practice
18:25	sfan5	you can even edit them without advanced magic
18:25	cat5e	sfan5, but the timings aren't stored in the image
18:25	cat5e	unless you append them as a .zip
18:25	sfan5	timings are stored in lua
18:25	Calinou	I think it'd be nice if timings and other stuff were stored in .txt files
18:25	cat5e	(did you know a .png can also be a .zip?)
18:25	Calinou	so that texture packs can modify it
18:26	Calinou	right now, it's defined by server, which is pretty stupid
18:26	agrecascino	is flif the opus of pictures?
18:27	Calinou	pretty much
18:27	Krock	life is life.. nana nanan
18:27	Krock	wait. wrong opus
18:27	Calinou	it can do almost everything, lossless or lossy, animated or not, 16-bit, 8-bit or grayscale/paletted
18:27	cat5e	can it do 1080p 60fps 30 minute videos?
18:28	Calinou	use video formats for that
18:28	cat5e	so it's shit, just like APNG
18:28	Calinou	you should never use image formats (not even .gif) for long stuff like that
18:28	Calinou	video formats use compression that's specific to them for a reason
18:28	cat5e	give me an image format that supports video and I'll be happy
18:29	Krock	you'd end up with gigabytes of data without compression - even for short videos
18:29	sfan5	> image format that supports video
18:29	sfan5	found your problem
18:29	Krock	gif gif gif gif
18:29	sfan5	gif is fine for what they're used for right now (quality is bad though)
18:29	cat5e	sfan5, MNG is a video format that's optimized for images/animations
18:29	sfan5	but it makes no sense to change that
18:29	Krock	or apng
18:29	cat5e	why can't an image format do both?
18:29	sfan5	png is good too
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18:29	sfan5	use actual videos for everything else
18:30	cat5e	also, streaming
18:30	sfan5	mng is not a video format btw
18:30	cat5e	sfan5, so how do you explain the video/mng type?
18:30	sfan5	bad decisions
18:30	sfan5	or missing categories
18:30	sfan5	because it is more than just an image
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18:31	cat5e	maybe we need the slideshow/ mime category thingy
18:31	sfan5	maybe
18:31	Calinou	Doom WADs have their MIME type
18:31	Calinou	we can question how the MIME committee or whatever it is chooses what deserves a type
18:32	Calinou	time to have world/minetest type for world.mt files
18:32	Krock	yes, we want to register the .mt files ^^
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18:41	Hijiri	Nosrick: maybe we should discuss in IRC
18:41	Hijiri	instead of on the Github issue
18:41	Nosrick	Perhaps we should, yes.
18:41	Nosrick	Let me explain:
18:41	Nosrick	I'm using the mobs mod API to register my entities. This assigns its own on_punch method to the callback. What I'm doing is redefining the on_punch method of that registered entity _after_ initialisation, by basically adding my on_punch method onto the end of the call.
18:42	sfan5	that doesn't sounds like it would work
18:42	Hijiri	If you want it to behave like a mob you shouldn't be applying damage separately from the mobs on_punch
18:42	Hijiri	maybe you could still apply the punch callbacks if you wanted those to happen
18:43	Krock	why not? if you do a good job it would work
18:43	Nosrick	Hang on, let me gist what I'm doing.
18:43	agrecascino	mng is bad
18:43	Hijiri	is it separate from the one you already gisted?
18:43	agrecascino	just go with apng
18:44	Hijiri	Nosrick: mobs on_punch already handles damage
18:44	Hijiri	if you apply damage also, it double-counts it
18:44	Krock	unless you make your own functions 1st priority
18:44	Nosrick	Which I have.
18:45	Krock	(so you can return on success, so it doesn't get counted twice)
18:45	Hijiri	Nosrick: in the zombie sample you posted though, you called both
18:45	Nosrick	Oh, did I post that already?
18:45	Hijiri	yes
18:45	Nosrick	Sorry, my memory is poop.
18:45	Hijiri	https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/5cbfbfeb9a6a204ecd8558a5cc8bc7a2
18:45	Nosrick	Ah, so I did!
18:45	Nosrick	So how would I go about making it handle it properly?
18:46	Hijiri	This is what I would do:
18:46	Hijiri	give momtest.on_punch a new parameter for the old on_punch
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18:46	Hijiri	If the old on_punch doesn't exist, apply damage and call the callbacks
18:46	Hijiri	If it does exist, don't apply damage, just multiply the damage groups in the capabilities by your boost and pass it to the old on_punch
18:47	Hijiri	Then call the punch callbacks
18:48	Hijiri	actually, I should ask first:
18:48	Hijiri	What is the purpose of the punch callbacks?
18:48	Hijiri	Calculating damage, or doing special things after a punch?
18:48	Hijiri	If the answer is "both", I think you should separate them
18:49	Hijiri	some callbacks may want to know the final values, which it won't get if it's called in the middle
18:49	Hijiri	Also if you defer to the old on_punch for handling, you won't know the "actual damage"
18:49	Hijiri	so you may need to change your callback parameters, or not call them
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18:50	Hijiri	I wouldn't calculate the base damage in a callback
18:50	Hijiri	(base damage, including boosts)
18:50	Nosrick	Alright, cobbling this together now.
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18:53	Nosrick	Hijiri: The callbacks are mostly for adding flat bonus damage.
18:53	Nosrick	A few of them do special things after a punch.
18:53	Hijiri	do they depend on the damage?
18:53	Nosrick	No.
18:53	Hijiri	Ok
18:54	Hijiri	If you don't plan on having special ones that depend on the damage, you could have callbacks not take damage
18:54	Hijiri	If the only damage modification you are doing are boosts, you could just handle boosts directly
18:54	Hijiri	make an API for adding and removing boosts
18:54	Hijiri	If it's a common use case it would remove some boilerplate
18:55	Hijiri	You can have flat boosts separate from multiplying boosts
18:55	Hijiri	If you do think you will have other damage modification then you could keep it this way
18:56	Hijiri	but you could have just one callback that manages the boosts, and which provides a similar API
18:57	Hijiri	The damage of mobs from mobs redo is predictable enough though, so I guess you could still calculate damage
18:57	Hijiri	it just might not extend necessarily to other kinds of entities
18:58	Krock	Archievement unlocked: 10 messages in a row! Congratulations. You might continue now.
18:59	Nosrick	I was thinking of actually having my init.lua replace all of the registered entities' on_punch functions with my own.
18:59	Nosrick	And pass in their old on_punch as the last parameter.
18:59	Nosrick	So it'd work with everything!
18:59	Nosrick	Or break everything.
19:00	Hijiri	reading some stuff I'm not actually sure if defining on_punch disables automatically default damage handling
19:00	Hijiri	I would think it does though, because the api docs don't provide any other way of disabling it
19:00	Nosrick	It does, as far as I've found.
19:00	Nosrick	When I redefine an on_punch with a stub function, it doesn't do anything.
19:00	Hijiri	alright
19:02	Hijiri	actually there is a hackish way you could calculate damage in general
19:02	Hijiri	record the health before and after calling the old on_punch, and subtract
19:03	Hijiri	so yeah, that's away
19:03	Nosrick	Did I post my actual on_punch code?
19:03	Hijiri	yes
19:03	Krock	you did, on github
19:03	Hijiri	https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/732c30a4e180bc3381d9febb5aeee2c5
19:03	Hijiri	oh that's the wrong one
19:03	Hijiri	https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/5ba6bc81445f80eaaf3665bb354e4b2b this I think
19:03	Nosrick	Yeah, that one.
19:03	Nosrick	Let me update it.
19:04	Nosrick	There, updated.
19:06	Hijiri	you could move the tmp assignment outside the loop, since it doesn't depend on group and is the same each time
19:06	T4im	table.containsKey(table, element) :D
19:06	Hijiri	when you call oldPunch you should boost the damage groups in toolCapabilities
19:06	Hijiri	if you want it to receive boosted damage
19:07	T4im	why not just "if mytable[key] then..." if you want to check if it has the key
19:07	Hijiri	this is why you would want to handle boosts outside a callback
19:07	Krock	T4im, why not simply if you can not make it hard?
19:07	Nosrick	Ah, I don't do damage group boosts.
19:07	Hijiri	Nosrick: also you are still doing damage processing after calling the old on_punch
19:07	Krock	or something like that
19:08	Hijiri	Nosrick: mobs on_punch code does damage calculations using the tool capabilities
19:08	Nosrick	I know, I'm trying to make my mod compatible with that.
19:08	Hijiri	either you have to remove that and hope that the code still works, or you need to give it the boosts it needs to know the desired damage
19:09	Nosrick	If I remove it, it makes the mobs a lot less responsive.
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19:09	Hijiri	I mean remove the damage calculations from mobs somehow
19:09	Nosrick	Ah.
19:09	Nosrick	Wouldn't I have to edit the API to do that?
19:09	Hijiri	yes
19:09	Nosrick	Aaaaaa
19:10	Nosrick	This is turning into a great clusterfuck.
19:10	Hijiri	I'm just trying to direct you towards boosting the damage groups
19:10	Hijiri	I don't consider it a serious option
19:11	Nosrick	Actually, if I rewrite it to use the damage groups boosts, I won't even need the on_punch override.
19:11	Hijiri	rewrite the mob api?
19:11	Hijiri	or your function
19:11	Nosrick	I might just write my own damn mob API.
19:11	Nosrick	But I was talking about my function.
19:11	Hijiri	I was thinking there should be a common mob interface
19:12	Nosrick	There should, and it should not suck huge turds.
19:12	Hijiri	so that multiple mob frameworks can produce mobs that can be treated uniformly, in addition to there own special functions
19:12	Nosrick	I don't think I could produce something that was good.
19:12	Hijiri	I was going to make a forum post about it but keep procrastinating
19:12	T4im	relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/927/
19:12	Nosrick	If you want some help chucking ideas around, give me a shout.
19:12	Hijiri	alright
19:13	Hijiri	T4im: this is different from a new framework
19:13	Hijiri	This would be like an interface you provide implementations of
19:13	Hijiri	it's important to allow different mods to make mobs differently, because one framework is unlikely to provide everything you want
19:13	Hijiri	but on the other hand, there are certain common things between mobs that we expect, like attacking them, knowing whether they are a mob in the first place, etc.
19:14	Hijiri	Currently there is no such standard, so I wouldn't be making a new competing standard
19:14	Hijiri	At the very least their luaentities can carry an "is_mob" flag to tell whether it is something to target
19:15	Hijiri	instead of heuristics like checking the immortal armor group or the name of the entity
19:15	Hijiri	9 lines, not 10 yet
19:15	Nosrick	C-c-c-c-combo breaker
19:16	Hijiri	minetest needs more libraries and library evangelism
19:16	agrecascino	yeah fuck this shit
19:16	Nosrick	Shall we develop a standard then, Hijiri?
19:16	agrecascino	i am never using the fun caves mod again
19:18	Hijiri	Nosrick: maybe
19:18	Hijiri	probably need to discuss with existing mob modders
19:18	Hijiri	if there is no adoption it will fail
19:18	Nosrick	True.
19:19	T4im	Hijiri: every mob framework already provides some sort of standard, if you really want to create a uniform one you either need to get one upstream-ish, or you sit together with the big mob maintainers out there and get them to take part
19:19	Hijiri	T4im: discussing with them was the idea
19:19	T4im	well, what you just said
19:19	T4im	x)
19:19	Hijiri	part of the reason I haven't posted a topic yet, I'm not sure how to pitch it
19:19	Hijiri	but mostly because I was being lazy
19:21	T4im	Calinou: didn't you write a mob framework? how does Hijiri pitch it to you?
19:21	T4im	burli: aren't you writing one right now? :)
19:21	T4im	10+ not here, hm, who else?
19:22	Calinou	T4im: I didn't
19:22	Hijiri	by the way I would just be pitching the reasons to have a common interface, not the specific elements yet
19:22	T4im	oh, must have confused that then :o
19:22	Hijiri	the forum topic would be used for deciding that
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19:22	Hijiri	actually I'll just make the topic, since I've already posted in here
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19:24	Nosrick	I think I've found the problem.
19:24	Nosrick	It's when the mob turns to hit the player.
19:25	Nosrick	Then BAM null reference.
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19:30	Megaf	Am I the only one here who likes this? http://uploadpie.com/VzMfN (That's just a nerdy sysadmin screenshot)
19:30	Megaf	those are the consoles of some of my servers
19:31	Calinou	tmux?
19:31	Megaf	!server Megaf
19:31	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 11ms
19:31	Megaf	Calinou: yep
19:31	Calinou	AC/DC lol
19:31	* Calinou	listens to paniq right now
19:31	Megaf	yep :)
19:31	Calinou	I should learn tmux, I only know GNU screen
19:31	Megaf	Calinou: the thing is, run screen inside tmux
19:32	Megaf	so, in your host or desktop open a tmux
19:32	Megaf	then a tmux window for each server
19:32	Megaf	each server a screen
19:32	Megaf	profit
19:32	shamoanjac	agrecascino, what happened with fun caves
19:33	Megaf	Calinou: tmux = screen, tmux attach = screen -x, ctrl + b = ctrl + a
19:33	Megaf	Calinou: ctrl + b + " = create window under the current one
19:33	Megaf	Calinou: ctrl + % create window besides
19:33	Calinou	ok
19:33	Megaf	aka, split vertical vs split horizontal, % = one beside another
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19:34	sfan5	>screen -x
19:34	Megaf	done, that was your crash course on tmux
19:34	sfan5	what's that i have never done that
19:34	Megaf	sfan5: you serious?
19:34	sfan5	basically you only need tmux {,attach} and ctrl + b d
19:34	sfan5	yes
19:34	Megaf	that attach to a running screen session
19:34	sfan5	i use screen -r for that
19:34	Megaf	oh
19:34	Nosrick	GOT THE BASTARD
19:35	Megaf	lol Nosrick
19:35	agrecascino	shamoanjac, it broke everything
19:35	Nosrick	Hijiri: Why would there be a null reference exception on toolCapabilities.full_punch_interval, when toolCapabilities is NOT nil?
19:35	Megaf	so, today I played a bit of Truck Simulator from steam, a free demo. It was fun piling up on lots of cars and cops
19:36		Void7 joined #minetest
19:37	Megaf	fun fact, the Test console is my minetest server
19:38	Megaf	very fun uh?
19:39	Megaf	nevermind
19:40	Hijiri	Nosrick: I don't think those are related, since if toolCapabilities was nil, you would get an error from LUa
19:41	Nosrick	Yeah, you might be right.
19:41	Nosrick	I think it might be a coincidence.
19:41	Nosrick	If I could debug minetest, that'd be great.
19:41	Hijiri	I'm pretty sure nils aren't represented by null pointers
19:41	Hijiri	Nosrick: you could use gdb
19:41	Hijiri	actually if it's a release it might be stripped
19:41	agrecascino	rebuild with debug symbols
19:41	Nosrick	Nils aren't null pointers, normally.
19:42	Krock	there are no pointers in Lua
19:42	Krock	but sometimes the C API throws errors when it got something else than expected
19:43	Nosrick	Yeah, I think that's what's happening.
19:43	Krock	like a numeric value instead of table
19:43	Nosrick	But right now, I'm totally stuck because of this.
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19:43	Nosrick	And I'm just flailing.
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19:46	Megaf	another terminal screenshot http://uploadpie.com/zP2ap
19:47	Krock	Nosrick, please include a link to the discussion on github
19:47	Krock	some people might wonder what you discussed
19:55	Nosrick	How would I do that?
19:57	Krock	Nosrick, edit the github comment, add http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2016-08-09#i_4674679, press save, done.
19:58	Nosrick	Done!
19:58	Krock	cool :)
20:03	Out`Of`Control	!server liberty land
20:03	MinetestBot	Out`Of`Control: Liberty Land | mt.rbose.org | Clients: 22/50, 10/25 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / ayntest | Ping: 16ms
20:06	Nosrick	Made a little extra post on the github issue.
20:07	Krock	http://pastebin.com/raw/Jz2KyqKK
20:09	Krock	oh cool. it uses landrush <3
20:10	sfan5	!server address:ae34
20:10	MinetestBot	sfan5: No results
20:10	Out`Of`Control	<3 landrush
20:10	sfan5	!server addr:ae34
20:10	MinetestBot	sfan5:  | 2a02:214b:8115:f900:a55d:69cb:86a5:ae34 | Clients: 1/100, 1/1 | Version: 0.4.13.7 / default | Ping: 109ms
20:10	sfan5	^ this server doesn't look like it should be on the list :D
20:10	Krock	too less max clients
20:10	Krock	that's the ultrafast freeminer
20:12	Out`Of`Control	WE beat minetest_game ?
20:12	Krock	btw sfan5, I was able to run the KittenThread by chat command - also made it detecting ores to dig. Your code was really a big help :)
20:13	sfan5	yeah that's not hard to do
20:13	Out`Of`Control	Krock:  how you generate that list?
20:13	Krock	Out`Of`Control, magic
20:13	Krock	got a C# program to fetch the server list
20:13	T4im	KittenThread?
20:13	T4im	O_o
20:13	Krock	T4im, nothing important ;)
20:16	Nosrick	This is frustrating.
20:18	Nosrick	It's making me sad.
20:19	* Krock	gives Nosrick some fresh baked cookies
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20:26	Krock	http://abzurd.com/
20:26	Krock	Donate now for more internet!
20:28	Krock	(not related to http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/ or http://hmpg.net/ )
20:28	aix	so i had this fake unknown node mod and placed a few blocks in spawn then removed it and didn't even realize lol
20:28	Nosrick	I FOUND THE PROBLEM!
20:28	Nosrick	FOR REALZ THIS TIME
20:29	Nosrick	It's in my register_on_punchplayer(). It's not passing the player object in properly.
20:29	aix	calm
20:30	KaadmY	heh
20:31	KaadmY	i found the end of the internet
20:31	KaadmY	it's flash
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20:39	aix	>tests game
20:39	aix	>forgets to move it
20:48	Hijiri	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&amp;t=15331
20:48	Hijiri	standard mob interface proposal
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21:03	Hijiri	client-side scripting would open up so many possibilities
21:03	Hijiri	I could finally have my bitcoin mining farm
21:03	T4im	hah
21:05	Krock	lol
21:05	T4im	that's what i thought Krock would write as mod a few years ago, actually
21:05	T4im	!mods coin
21:05	T4im	!mod coin
21:05	MinetestBot	T4im: Bitcoins [Bitcoins] by DistroGeeks-MilesDyson - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5014
21:05	T4im	hm
21:06	Krock	!mod bitch
21:06	MinetestBot	Krock: BitChange (money) [bitchange] by Krock - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7821
21:06	T4im	ah
21:06	Krock	nice keyword, heh?
21:07	Calinou	!mod blocks
21:07	MinetestBot	Calinou: More Blocks [moreblocks] by Calinou - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=509
21:07	Calinou	:>
21:08	Krock	!mod less
21:08	MinetestBot	Krock: Useless Mod [useless_mod] by general3214 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7377
21:08	Calinou	!server KRISTALL
21:08	MinetestBot	Calinou: KRISTALL | 163.172.10.77 | Clients: 9/15, 10/14 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 13ms
21:09	Calinou	"Minetest server powered by the love for nekomimi"
21:09	Calinou	do I try to join it or does sfan5 try first
21:09	sfan5	what
21:09	sfan5	where
21:09	sfan5	give
21:09	T4im	"Brainwave Cat Ears" wait what?
21:09	Calinou	sfan5: it's on the list
21:10	sfan5	cool
21:10	sfan5	chunks load slowly
21:10	sfan5	havent seen any nekomimi yet
21:11	sfan5	man chunk loading sure is slow
21:12	* T4im	gives sfan5 some yarn to play with in the meantime
21:14	Krock	Calinou, I was there. It's totally vanilla
21:14	Hijiri	!server KRISTALL
21:14	MinetestBot	Hijiri: KRISTALL | 163.172.10.77 | Clients: 14/15, 10/14 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 12ms
21:16	Calinou	!server Calinou
21:16	MinetestBot	Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 0/32, 2/10 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 10ms
21:16	Hijiri	!server Hijiri
21:16	MinetestBot	Hijiri: No results
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21:46	Megaf	!server Megaf
21:46	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
21:46	Megaf	MinetestBot: that was quick uh
21:46	Megaf	same second reply
21:47	Megaf	!server Megaf
21:47	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
21:47	Megaf	amazing
21:47	Megaf	!server Calinou
21:47	MinetestBot	Megaf: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 0/32, 1/10 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 14ms
21:47	Megaf	Megaf Server beats other servers ping badly
21:49	aix	Can I have one button to climp down and another for "use" ?
21:51	STHGOM	!mod temperature
21:51	MinetestBot	STHGOM: Temperature and Humidity HUD [tempidity] by HeroOfTheWinds - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9439
21:51	Megaf	shift and left click?
21:51	Megaf	aix: ^
21:51	aix	uhm
21:51	aix	i mean in the key bindings
21:52	aix	i want to be able to use e to climb down but i also want to use fast in water and on ladders
21:52	Megaf	the default is shoft to climb down and e to go fast
21:53	Megaf	you can use both at the same time
21:53	Megaf	aix: ^
21:53	aix	but i hate shift
21:53	Megaf	so use z
21:53	aix	also unless i use the default, there's no way to go fast in water
21:54	Megaf	just assign whatever button you want to whatever function you wish
21:54	aix	there's no "climb down" function
21:54	Megaf	dont make me open minetest please
21:55	aix	just a switch to make an already defined function key the same for climb down
21:55	aix	https://sr.ht/0PVX.png
21:55	aix	here
21:55	Megaf	I dont want to open a web browser either
21:56	aix	okay, say I want to use q to go fast and e to climb down
21:56	Megaf	not much memory left
21:56	aix	i set use to q
21:57	aix	but there's no option for down i can se
21:57	aix	see
21:57	aix	hm, sneak could do it
21:57	aix	oh fuck that works lol
21:57	aix	never mind
21:59	Megaf	hm, Debian 32 bit is much more efficient than 64 bit in memory use
21:59	aix	ugh everything is awkward
22:00	aix	is it?
22:00	Megaf	debian 32 bit using 18 MB after boot to console, debian 64 bit using 28 MB
22:00	Megaf	identical installations and hardware
22:00	Megaf	but one is Wheezy 32 bit and other is Wheezy 64 bit
22:00	Megaf	32 bit uses less space too
22:01	Megaf	367 MB in / 389 MB
22:01	Megaf	interesting
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22:04	Megaf	and so far 32 bit has been faster
22:04	agrecascino	shamoanjac, you there?
22:04	Megaf	I wonder why use 64 bit then
22:05	Fixer	Megaf: it is expected
22:05	Fixer	Megaf: if you have <2Gb ram - use 32bit OS
22:05	Megaf	I understand the size and memory use smaller on 32 bit
22:05	Megaf	but performance better too?
22:06	Darkside_	yes
22:07	Darkside_	for its ability to deal with larger chunks of data faster
22:07	Fixer	Megaf: some benchmark say that it can be faster
22:07	Darkside_	im not a expert on it but somebody explained me something on that once that made sense but i already forgot most he said :/
22:08	Megaf	wonder how faster a MT can be on 32 bit
22:09	Megaf	a MT server*
22:09	Fixer	Megaf: 64bit should be slightly faster iirc
22:09	sofar	MT doesn't benefit much from 64bit cpu's
22:09	Fixer	Megaf: difference is small
22:10	Megaf	I'm deploying a minimalistic Debian desktop to check what I need extra to run my portable binary build of Minetest
22:10	sofar	it wouldn't surprise me if stock MT 64bit is slower than stock MT 32 bit
22:10	Megaf	installing TWM as window manager :)
22:10	sofar	since I doubt that we properly optimize the MT builds
22:11	aix	TWM? damn
22:11	Megaf	XDM as login manager
22:11	Megaf	and I quite like TWM man, good old days :D
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22:12	celeron55	no login manager for the win!
22:12	Megaf	lol celeron55
22:13	Megaf	and I made a mistake, started TWM and forgot to install xvt (smaller terminal emulator than xterm)
22:13	Fixer	startx
22:13	Megaf	alt gr + f1 to the rescue
22:14	Megaf	(VBox VM)
22:14	Fixer	Megaf: why are you obsessed so much with ram? you run it on raspberry? last time I was obsessed with ram it was P4 2.8 with 512mb ram
22:15	Megaf	Fixer: my VMs have 512 MB each
22:15	Megaf	the host has 4 GB
22:15	Nosrick	I think my mod will be released for testing in the next few weeks.
22:15	Megaf	and I want everything to be as efficient as possible
22:16	Fixer	._.
22:16	aix	fair nuff
22:16	aix	Megaf: then use luakit
22:16	aix	not firefox
22:16	aix	or dwb
22:16	aix	and i3 is great for a wm that doesn't remind you of the 90s
22:17	* Megaf	uses w3m
22:19	aix	wow
22:19	* aix	bows down
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22:20	agrecascino	Megaf, we all know the best combination of browser and OS are Microsoft edge and windows 10
22:20	Megaf	agrecascino: of course
22:20	celeron55	but what if you want a wm that does remind you of the 90s?
22:20	Megaf	running on a Microsoft VirtualPC VM inside Windows Milenium
22:20	agrecascino	celeron55, icewm
22:21	Megaf	yep
22:21	celeron55	agrecascino: yes; the obvious choice
22:21	Megaf	celeron55: I'd say WindowMaker
22:21	Megaf	NextStep FTW
22:21	agrecascino	rip nextstep
22:21	agrecascino	actually
22:22	agrecascino	rip openstep
22:22	Megaf	I actually used to have wmaker as default WM
22:22	Megaf	ok, w3m installed in the VMs, need to put my binary fork somewhere so I can download it easily
22:22	Megaf	Megaf Server it is
22:23	Megaf	and rsync to the rescue
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22:24	agrecascino	is there any way to make a construction to really annoy people using doors?
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22:25	Darkside_	sure with mesecons buttons switches etc :D
22:26	* Megaf	listening to Marilyn Manson - Resident Evil Main Title Theme (Corp. Umbrella) (SX Long)
22:26	Megaf	That is awesome
22:26	Megaf	(on mpv)
22:27	Darkside_	depends ofcource on what you want the doors to do, some guy in minecraft made a simple redstone construction that made the doors open and close realy fast with the sounds realy annoying ;D
22:27	agrecascino	Darkside_, that's what i want to do in minetest
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22:28	Calinou	https://github.com/Calinou/modern
22:28	Calinou	added flowers, mushrooms, sandstone brick textures
22:29	agrecascino	hmm
22:29	agrecascino	had no idea xfwm was based on fvwm
22:31	sofar	xfwm4 is ... old :)
22:32	Fixer	fuck microsoft, fuck avast, fuck 5400 rpm hdds
22:33	Fixer	time to update minetest
22:33	Fixer	"Latest commit b6d845a 7 days ago"
22:34	Fixer	current minetest-dev mood: "everyone is dead and trees are humming" (c)
22:36	Fixer	"I have the exact same problem and i can tell you for sure that's Avast's fault. Or, to be precise, it's the updater's fault: once the boot has ended the updater starts and for some unknown reason it absolutely trashes the hdd -  in, usually, over 2 minutes it manages to make more than 40,000 I/O Reads and over 20,000 I/O Writes. It uses the hdd so much that the entire OS (XP SP3 in my case) is absolutely frozen"
22:36	Fixer	top quality AV development
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22:58	* Megaf	getting tired of manually compying libs, compressing, uploading, downloading, extracing, ldding
22:58	Megaf	compilying
23:02	Megaf	and somehow ldd is seg faulting now
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23:07	twoelk	gone in a flash?
23:09	Megaf	I was copying the libs to a libs folder and trying to run the fork
23:09	Megaf	unfortunetally LD_LIBRARY_PATH=libs ldd dont work
23:10	twoelk	no thats wrong it was a dish that ran away with the spoon
23:10	Megaf	and ldd alone dont show all missing libs, it show a set of missing libs, then when those libs are added it shows another set
23:11	twoelk	depencycascade
23:11	Megaf	yep, so the first set was easy to resolve
23:11	Megaf	but now I have to keep running and seeing what lib it complains it dont have
23:12	Megaf	and adding one my one
23:12	Megaf	each tipe repacking and reuploading the thing and downloading it again
23:12	Megaf	there must me an easier way of doing that
23:13	Megaf	libcrypto.so.1.0.2  libcurl.so.4     libgssapi_krb5.so.2  libIrrlicht.so.1.8  libk5crypto.so.3  liblber-2.4.so.2    libluajit-5.1.so.2  libnghttp2.so.14  libopenal.so.1  libpng16.so.16  libssh2.so.1     libstdc++.so.6      libvorbis.so.0
23:13	Megaf	libc.so.6           libgnutls.so.30  libhogweed.so.4      libjpeg.so.62       libkrb5.so.3      libldap_r-2.4.so.2  libm.so.6           libogg.so.0       libpng12.so
23:13	Megaf	these are the libs I copied so far
23:13	Megaf	twoelk: ^
23:14	twoelk	liberatedhogweed sounds like fun, can I smoke that?
23:14	Megaf	and imagine when libjpeg gets to version 69
23:16	Megaf	20 MB on libs alone
23:18	* twoelk	is trying to parse the libbylist instead of going to sleep
23:21	Fixer	hmm, directory opus looks just like worker FM
23:23	* twoelk	liberateshisheadofliblistsandgoestosleep
23:24	Megaf	twoelk Liberates His Head Of LibList And Goes To Sleep
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23:25	demonhunter555	Hi I told you i knew how to get on
23:26	Megaf	what are you talking about?
23:26	Fixer	https://i.imgur.com/Xe9XpNc.png
23:29	Megaf	Minetest requires 7 millions libs for crypto and ssl and sasls and stuff
23:29	Megaf	WHY!?
23:30	Megaf	libcrypt, libcryto, libssl, libssh, libsasl, link5
23:31	Fixer	Megaf: you are overcomplicatinh
23:31	agrecascino	shamoanjac,
23:31	agrecascino	shamoanjac,
23:31	agrecascino	shamoanjac,
23:31	agrecascino	oh god help
23:40	Megaf	Can anyone on ANY Linux 64 bit test this please? http://mt.megaf.info/~minetest/MineDigger.tar.gz
23:40	Megaf	to run just extract, open the folder and double click RunMineDigger or ./RunMineDigger
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23:41	Fixer	Megaf: X11 required?
23:41	Megaf	wget http://mt.megaf.info/~minetest/MineDigger.tar.gz && tar zxf MineDigger.tar.gz && cd MineDigger && ./RunMineDigger
23:41	Megaf	Fixer: without X11 you can try the server, ./RunMineDiggerServer
23:42	Megaf	it seg faults on Debian Wheezy
23:42	Megaf	=/
23:43	Fixer	i have same debian wheezy
23:44	agrecascino	help
23:44	Void7	?
23:44	agrecascino	https://github.com/agrecascino/factions/pull/8/commits/1326104d2857949d532da5a41dbb8f641194a631
23:45	agrecascino	something is wrong with util
23:45	Void7	It has been my experience so far that saying "something is wrong plzfix" has almost no data and pretty much everybody will ignore it
23:45	Void7	what's the exact error?
23:45	shamoanjac	agrecascino,
23:45	shamoanjac	what
23:46	agrecascino	something with the {}
23:46	shamoanjac	what does it say?
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23:46	Void7	what's the problem? the Y coordinate is way off?
23:46	agrecascino	no
23:46	shamoanjac	does it nil-fault?
23:46	agrecascino	expected to close { at line 47
23:46	shamoanjac	lel
23:47	Void7	line 50 needs a comma
23:47	shamoanjac	yep
23:47	Void7	at the end
23:47	agrecascino	also
23:47	agrecascino	found a bug
23:48	Void7	what?
23:48	shamoanjac	pls tell
23:48	shamoanjac	I'll go to bed soon
23:48	agrecascino	sorry i'm catting the entire file and it's taking ages
23:49	agrecascino	something to do with concatenation and claiming
23:49	shamoanjac	do you get an error?
23:49	agrecascino	yes
23:49	shamoanjac	ok wait a moment
23:49	shamoanjac	I'll test it myself
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23:54	wake_me_up	pastebin.com/16vWTFZCV
23:56	shamoanjac	welp
23:56	shamoanjac	I had fixed it
23:57	shamoanjac	ah of course
23:57	shamoanjac	https://github.com/agrecascino/factions/pull/9
23:57	shamoanjac	^ PR with fix
23:57	shamoanjac	and your pastebin is no longer valid
23:59	wake_me_up	?

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